[HN Gopher] Firefox 86.0
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Firefox 86.0
Author : LopRabbit
Score : 274 points
Date : 2021-02-26 06:10 UTC (16 hours ago)
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| fctorial wrote:
| Firefox is the only option for mobile webdev since it's the only
| mobile browser with devtools. However I won't use it as my main
| browser because of insanely frequent (and pointless) major ui
| changes. It messes with your muscle memory. This isn't beta
| software, is it?
| viraptor wrote:
| In the last two years I only noticed: address bar can be on the
| bottom (user setting), open sites changed from tiles to a list.
| What other major UI changes have happened? (Or are you talking
| about desktop UI?)
| fctorial wrote:
| On desktop, url bar click behavior. It was changed from full
| selection to cursor, and then reverted.
| TeMPOraL wrote:
| > _What other major UI changes have happened?_
|
| It's slow as molasses and loses UI events. I had auto-update
| turned off so I didn't use the new Firefox for Android until
| recently, and now I sincerely regret I updated it.
|
| They also did something silly with trying to match your tap
| to closest link even if your tap falls squarely outside of
| the link's activation area. It's super annoying on sites with
| small text, like HN.
|
| On the flip side, the UI being garbage made me stop browsing
| HN on my phone, so overall, perhaps that's an improvement in
| terms of my productivity.
| FeepingCreature wrote:
| Yeah I just have a pinned beta apk from a while back that I
| will never, ever update.
|
| Same with Firefox on Desktop, for that matter.
| SecurityLagoon wrote:
| Please update your browser - sitting on old versions is just
| asking for trouble. If you really want to maintain a
| consistent interface then use the ESR releases which should
| basically just be security updates.
| FeepingCreature wrote:
| Unfortunately, Firefox ESR already doesn't have TabMixPlus
| support.
|
| I'm on Waterfox Classic on desktop, but that's probably not
| gonna last forever either. And when that eventually drops
| support, I'll just stay on the last version until some
| browser vendor brings multi row tabs back. On mobile, I
| visit maybe five websites, and the three most common ones
| don't have ads, so I'm happy with my pinned old Firefox
| Beta version. And no matter what happens, I'm not upgrading
| to current Firefox on Android - well, unless the thing that
| happens is they take that abomination of a UI back behind
| the shed and put it out of its misery...
|
| The way I look at it, it's unfortunate that the one single
| browser actually worth using sadly no longer gets security
| updates. That sucks for me, but I'm also not gonna stop
| using the browser.
| ihuman wrote:
| Safari on iOS kind of has devtools, but they're not available
| on the go, since you still need a desktop computer to access
| them. Enable the "web inspector" setting in iOS safari and the
| "show develop menu" in macOS (both in the advanced settings
| section). When you plug in the iOS device directly into the
| Mac, it'll show up in the Mac's Safari's develop menu.
| Unfortunately, this is completely useless if you don't have
| access to a mac or are away from your computer.
| throwaway077445 wrote:
| I'm not a webdev, but I think you can use the Desktop Chrome
| webviews to debug remotely.
| https://developers.google.com/web/tools/chrome-devtools/remo...
|
| This should be possible on Firefox too:
| https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/Remote_Debugg...
| veselin wrote:
| I use Firefox on Android all the time. When I occasionally open
| Chrome, I see the UI there changes quite often. Now it has tab
| groups. Maybe a month ago it changed the url bar.
| fctorial wrote:
| > Now it has tab groups
|
| It's hidden behind a right click menu. So it's a muscle
| memory friendly change. I don't remember the url bar change
| to be too disorienting either.
| Zababa wrote:
| >So it's a muscle memory friendly change
|
| It's not really. Now when you right click (long press) to
| open a link on a new tab it opens it in the same tab group
| as your tab. If you then use the button at the top to
| switch tabs (how it worked before), you are now switching
| tab groups. To switch tabs in your tab group, you have to
| do it at the bottom.
| heywherelogingo wrote:
| Doesn't chrome do the same? I used it last night, opened the
| history and that was considerably different.
| pmurt7 wrote:
| I was reading the blog posts of Mozilla CEO Mitchell Baker:
|
| https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/author/mitchellmozillacom/
|
| What the fuck? It's almost like a (far-left) political agenda. No
| words about the browser, the product vision, the future features
| and so.
|
| Mozilla is doomed.
| afavour wrote:
| So you're angry at the Mozilla CEO for posting about political
| topics rather than the browser and product vision?
|
| And yet here you are, in a thread about the Mozilla browser,
| posting about political topics. Maybe take your own advice?
| swebs wrote:
| I don't know why you're being so hostile. It was in
| interesting revelation to me. And pretty surprising too since
| the last CEO was kicked out for far less.
| jamienicol wrote:
| Like so often on HN when this comes up, you fail to even
| get the basic facts right. Such as _which_ CEO was "kicked
| out". And it certainly wasn't for far less
| waxpoeticwhy35 wrote:
| What's bad in that blog? Any particular article?
| helij wrote:
| My browser history is NCSA Mosaic->Netscape->Firefox. Even when
| Firefox had its downs I stuck with it. Not sure why. It just felt
| right. It was always perfect for me.
|
| The only thing I miss are subtitles in Picture-in-Picture mode.
| miroz wrote:
| This. There maybe are some downsides to Firefox but it still
| feels better than chrome. I'm staying with it
| BuckRogers wrote:
| Yup. I will say though, as someone that never left FF, the new
| Edge is really good on Windows. I'm impressed. Edge is missing
| some features that make browsing for me, a far more enjoyable
| experience though. For Firefox, "It just feels right" is the
| best way to put it.
| dotancohen wrote:
| Skipped over Phoenix?
| cpeterso wrote:
| Here's the Firefox bug for Picture-in-Picture subtitles.
| Unfortunately there has not much progress.
|
| https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1551058
| megous wrote:
| I wonder if the web engine development pretty much stopped, or
| developer notes are just less detailed over the last year or so.
| Those are a shadow of the former self, certainly.
| taranissnark wrote:
| They did let go of a third of their staff about a year ago.
| megous wrote:
| I know, all I wonder is whether engine development slowed
| down or changelog person was let go, or whatever.
| clairity wrote:
| it's particularly aggravating that form fields have been
| largely stagnant over the past 20 years. so much repetitive
| development happens around forms (validations or date/time
| pickers, for instance) and yet very little effort goes into
| improving them.
| dblohm7 wrote:
| Most of the Gecko group was left intact.
| jakub_g wrote:
| Under "developer" section there's a link with dev focused
| changelog
|
| https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Firefox/Rel...
|
| Note also that release schedule is now 4 weeks instead of 6
| weeks. Hence each release might feel "smaller".
| megous wrote:
| I was writing about those dev changelogs and not just this
| release...
| BuckRogers wrote:
| There's a lot of reasons why Firefox is still the best browser. I
| never did move to Chrome all these years, and Edge is incredibly
| impressive on Windows.
|
| I'll detail my opinion on the path forward for Mozilla and
| Firefox in particular.
|
| Surprisingly it's been Firefox on iOS that's the biggest pull to
| keep me on FF overall. I think that's the real way forward for
| them. There's just too many Google nags to switch to Chrome on
| the desktop. This is limited on mobile, and putting all resources
| into mobile features is paramount. Then desktop version usage
| increases due to sync features.
|
| I'm a Windows and iOS user, and on the desktop, zippiness is
| feature #1. I think they should move to Chromium, as unpopular as
| that is. It'll save on maintenance and an un-Googled Chromium
| like Edge is a very good thing. Leave FF exactly as it is, all
| features intact with Chromium underpinnings, borrow a few
| features from Vivaldi (horizontal tab support), and you easily
| have the best browser on the market.
|
| On iOS, it needs support for the URL bar to move to the bottom as
| on Android. It needs uBlock Origin integrated by default, to
| borrow from iOS Edge having adblock. Improving dark mode is key.
| I just can't get it to work properly with DuckDuckGo's homepage.
| Images are sometimes reversed. I've had to turn it off to get
| pages to display a their native black background. I'd like to see
| it work out of the box with Facebook's messenger feature, it
| tries to redirect to the app, while in Safari this can be set to
| open in desktop mode and just works. Otherwise, general stability
| improvements and performance. It used to be very unstable, but
| its come a long way now. It's my favorite mobile browser.
|
| Would those changes be enough? I'm not sure, but I do know iOS
| and Android browser support is the only possible way forward
| other than services like their VPN.
|
| I'm the type of user though that doesn't mind the ads in the URL
| bar, pretty small ask on Mozilla's part. I also leave telemetry
| enabled because I want my usage scenario to be in Mozilla's data.
| As you can guess, I'm not the typical user that thinks Blink vs
| Gecko is somehow a mighty crusade to save the web. Even if it
| were where the real battle is, Mozilla is not the entity that's
| properly armed to take up that fight. Apple or Microsoft would
| be.
|
| I have other ideas on how to move Mozilla forward and make it a
| very big player in the tech space. The biggest problem
| confronting Mozilla today is probably Mozilla. If I had to guess.
| Trying to convey these ideas to leadership and get a path forward
| set in the bureaucracy is probably pretty tough.
| tweetle_beetle wrote:
| > For Firefox users in Canada, credit card management and auto-
| fill are now enabled.
|
| Apparently this has been available to users in the US since v81,
| and will be available to other locales in the future. Out of
| curiosity, how are these features gated geographically?
| forgotmypw17 wrote:
| What I'd like to see in a browser is a button which resets it to
| the UI from Firefox 1.0 [1]
|
| OS-provided window border and titlebar
|
| Standard menubar with keyboard hints, always displayed
|
| Five buttons: Back, forward, reload, stop, home
|
| Address bar and separate search field
|
| Status bar which shows me link URL when I hover a link
|
| [1] https://www.webdesignmuseum.org/web-design-
| history/mozilla-f...
|
| Personally, these days I use a keyboard-driven browser without
| any of that stuff, just the frame, vertical tabs on the right,
| and a status bar. But for people in my friends and family circle,
| I think that interface would be infinitely more functional and
| productive than anything else I've seen.
| dudeinjapan wrote:
| Should drop CSS support while they're at it.
| forgotmypw17 wrote:
| You can turn off CSS in many browsers. It is under the
| Accessiblity dialog in IE, at least in 6.x. Firefox also
| supports disabling CSS in older versions, and so does Opera
| before the crippling WebKit migration.
|
| I can't imagine it being that difficult to implement as a
| feature. If the setting is on, you would skip interpreting
| any <style> tags and style= attributes.
|
| Past versions of many browsers support selecting between
| multiple stylesheets specified by the page, as well as
| provide _your own_ stylesheet to use in place or in addition
| to the page 's stylesheet.
|
| (This was one of the main, amazing fucking benefits of CSS,
| to separate presentation from content, so that users who were
| hindered by the page's styles could turn it off and still be
| able to view the content.
|
| And all of it works great if you do it right, because the
| styles cascade, and, I apologize for repeating myself, the
| content layer is separate from the presentation layer.
|
| At some point all these features went away, 'cause fuck
| accessibility, I guess.
|
| Meanwhile, CSS became Turing complete, so security-wise it's
| like having a second JavaScript which cannot be turned off.
|
| Great progress all around. /s
|
| When people ask me why I spend time on ensuring that I
| support older browsers in my projects, this is one of the
| reasons. Sometimes I just want to use a decent fucking
| browser that's not been lobotomized, and at least I can do it
| on my own sites.
| progman32 wrote:
| Was View -> Page Style -> No Style removed for 86?
| forgotmypw17 wrote:
| The menu is no longer there, AFAIK. I have not spent much
| time looking for the feature, to be honest, and I no
| longer keep Firefox installed except when testing, so I
| won't look for its existence now.
|
| (I usually apt install before testing and apt remove
| after, because otherwise it often becomes the system
| default.)
| progman32 wrote:
| Just checked. It's there.
| forgotmypw17 wrote:
| Thank you
| ebegnwgnen wrote:
| Go to Menu -> Customize.
|
| Tick "Title Bar"
|
| Drag & Drop the "search" widget aside your URL bar
|
| Drag & Drop the Five buttons you mention where you want
|
| You're welcome.
|
| (for the status bar URL link preview on hover it's already the
| case by default)
| forgotmypw17 wrote:
| Thank you for your reply. Your suggested solutions are not
| complete, however.
|
| The status bar is not persistent.
|
| Also, for whatever reason, the URLs displayed in the status
| bar are cut off with an ellipsis, even when they would fit
| inside the window.
|
| The menu bar -- File, Edit, View, etc. -- is still not
| displayed. And when it is displayed, the keyboard
| accelerators are not. I do realize this is in part the window
| manager and OS's accomplishments.
|
| By the way, most of the actions you described are not even
| possible without using the mouse. Firefox, and most desktop
| applications, used to be 100% accessible without using the
| mouse. (Mac has always been an exception, but it was covered
| 100% on Windows and close to complete on GNU.)
| marcosdumay wrote:
| And have it all reverted at random because well "there seems
| to be along time since you last used Firefox, do you want to
| lose all your configurations? Yes. Later."
| AshamedCaptain wrote:
| Each time I see that prompt I have to pause and consider
| the otherwise wacky theory that there evil forces trying to
| cripple Mozilla from the inside.
|
| Why. Just why.
| forgotmypw17 wrote:
| It's hard to try to come up with another explanation, to
| be honest. When I try imagine how incompetence can
| explain everything that's happened with Firefox in the
| past several years, it feels like I'm going for the gold
| in the mental gymnastics world championship.
| chrismorgan wrote:
| However, the status bar is no longer _persistent_ , but only
| appears when hovering over a link. Also in the past you used
| to be able to control the text in the status bar via the
| window.status variable in JavaScript. This was disabled as it
| was used for malicious purposes (faking link destinations and
| misleading users by putting page-controlled content in the
| browser chrome), and after that there didn't seem much point
| to wasting 20-30px of precious vertical space all the time.
|
| I would also note that the address bar and search box got
| merged for a good reason, because their functionalities
| steadily converged over time as the address bar became more
| powerful and useful. You can still have them split if you
| really want, but it is unlikely to actually benefit most
| people.
| stkdump wrote:
| Can't imagine anyone being happier nowadays without tabs.
| wtallis wrote:
| Did you ever use Firefox 1.0? It supported tabs.
| forgotmypw17 wrote:
| Tabs were always there since before it was even called
| Firefox.
| astura wrote:
| Firefox has had tabs since it was in beta (and called
| Phoenix); It's the reason I started using it back then
| (~2002)
| simongr3dal wrote:
| Presumably your application would just be creating new
| windows and your windowing system would take care of
| displaying it as either tabs or separate windows.
| jangid wrote:
| I just want the disconnect button. It used to sit in status
| bar. I don't want to fetch things when I am reading downloaded
| articles.
| forgotmypw17 wrote:
| Remember when browsers would actually cache pages and not
| reload them every time you accidentally blinked or moved the
| mouse cursor?
| lucideer wrote:
| Everything you listed except for the status bar can be gotten
| by customising the UI in Firefox (not single-click but pretty
| easy).
|
| On the other hand, if this is the kind of approach to UI you
| like personally, I think the Vivaldi browser would be up your
| alley (sadly not open-source though).
| forgotmypw17 wrote:
| Sorry, but that is not even close to true, see my other
| comment describing what doesn't work:
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26276871
|
| Vivaldi is OK, but it's proprietary AFAIK?
| lucideer wrote:
| Aha, yes sorry: re: the menubar, I am on a Mac so I didn't
| realise that wasn't restore-able on other systems.
|
| Re: the status bar I had mentioned that, that's
| unfortunately still missing.
|
| Vivaldi is proprietary sadly :'( But it does tick all of
| your boxes otherwise.
| blfr wrote:
| > Firefox now supports simultaneously watching multiple videos in
| Picture-in-Picture.
|
| Is Adderall the new Aspirin? Or is there some WFH use here that
| I'm missing.
| driverdan wrote:
| I watched NASA's stream of Perseverance landing on Mars. It
| would have been cool to watch a few different landings streams
| at once since one had good narration and another had better
| footage.
| iso1631 wrote:
| I have a fitlet running a pygtk 4screen vlc showing me 3 news
| networks and a music stream on my 3rd monitor. I can click each
| one to mute/unmute, mousewheel up/down to change the relative
| volume, and the entire thing is compeltely separate from my
|
| I can have 4 different sources on at the same time (music in
| the background - quiet, one of the news channels a bit louder
| if I'm waiting for something to happen, a corporate all-hands
| zoom call I'm half listening to on the main computer, and maybe
| a short video or meme, it's usually 2 or 3 though.
|
| I don't use pip much as the one site I'd use it on (twitter)
| works hard to stop the video playing as you scroll down anyway.
| _ph_ wrote:
| While I usually limit myself to one video playing on the
| computer, when following live events it can happen that you
| want to have two streams running. E.g. the multiple channels
| streaming the Starship test flights or watch one video while
| waiting for another stream to come online.
| dotancohen wrote:
| I was exactly thinking about the Starship test flights for
| this. I think that's the only time I've ever had more than a
| single video playing at once.
| swiley wrote:
| When I watched YouTube regularly I would often have multiple
| videos going. Some people talk slowly and YouTube encourages
| filler in order to hit the 10 minute mark. When most of the
| videos are like this you can definitely have a couple
| monologues, some music, and something to read just fine.
| blfr wrote:
| You can speed up videos on Youtube. Both natively and with
| yuotube-dl then play locally with mpv or your (lesser)
| favourite player.
| swiley wrote:
| This was less clicks and faster.
| wongarsu wrote:
| Clicking on the gear in the youtube player allows you to
| set playback speed. Most videos are very watchable on
| 1.25x or 1.5x speed, on videos that are basically just
| filler with some information in between I even go to 2x
| joveian wrote:
| I don't get it either, personally, but I remember reading
| around high school (90s) a book called "Boost your Brainpower"
| or something like that. They mostly recommended lots of
| visualization (they said the trick is to say out loud what you
| are seeing to improve) but also had a suggestion to watch
| multiple televisions at the same time, suggesting it would be
| helpful in some way or another that I have long since
| forgotten. I never tried any of those, but hopefully in a
| decade we'll be reading about "the browser feature that boosts
| your brainpower" and not "the browser feature that made the
| amphetamine crisis even worse".
| arkitaip wrote:
| Following a group of streamers at the same time is ideal for
| this. Currently you need to use 3rd party services.
| astura wrote:
| Sports immediately comes to mind - Some people I know who are
| really big into sports like watching/keeping track of multiple
| games at once.
| wongarsu wrote:
| Not only multiple games, but also multiple viewpoints of the
| same game. Twitch added support for that use case for esports
| (I think as part of their deal with Overwatch League).
| csin wrote:
| This is a game changer for sports bettors.
|
| Me personally, will probably stick to one video playing in
| the background. It's more for ambient noise. On days when
| there are 4 nba games going on simutaneously, I'm far too
| busy fiddling with my spreadsheet/nba feed to be actually
| watching the game.
| thebiss wrote:
| I have two, as yet unsolved, work from home use cases:
|
| - I often would like to watch one team member update Trello or
| Mural, at the same time as another updates Github, while I
| update a contract. I'd move those streams to my 4k monitor, to
| keep them readable, while I work on my primary.
|
| - If I'm running a demo to a client, I'd like to have one
| stream sharing the demo platform, while another shares video of
| my haggard face, and a third shows my presentation. I don't
| want to share my whole desktop, to avoid sharing slack or SMS
| notifications.
|
| OBS can probably do #2. Nothing does #1.
| everdrive wrote:
| I never understood this feature either. I can already make
| multiple browser windows if I want. Definitely not interested
| in PIP.
| astura wrote:
| Following along with a tutorial would be a big use case.
| matsemann wrote:
| I like that I can scale the video as I want. Like on a news-
| site the only options are often a small inline viewer or full
| screen. So I use PIP often for that even though I'm staying
| on the page.
|
| And it's just more convenient than trying to maximize the
| space of another browser window and making it stay put above
| other stuff. No extra chrome, no wasted inline space on the
| page. I can just take a Blender tutorial for instance and
| move directly above my Blender window and it obscures as
| little as possible.
| TeMPOraL wrote:
| Browser windows have decorations that take space. I don't use
| PIP often, but it comes in handy when I have limited screen
| real estate, like watching Netflix on my sidearm in tablet
| mode, while simultaneously doing something on the web.
| amelius wrote:
| This is something better solved at the window manager
| level. E.g. what if I want to have a PIP in my Xterm?
| wongarsu wrote:
| Sure, if you have a window manager that solves the
| problem that's great. The rest of the world can use
| Firefox's inferior integration while they wait for their
| window manager to get that feature.
| ubercow13 wrote:
| How does a window manager get rid of Firefox's browser
| chrome?
| TeMPOraL wrote:
| Answer: it doesn't.
|
| The problem is browsers have two layers of decoration:
| the WM layer (which tiling window managers tend to
| remove), and the internal layer - the tab bar, address
| bar, option buttons, borders, etc.
|
| As far as I know, there isn't a way to remove all that
| without going full screen.
| Macha wrote:
| In the very first version of firefox with full screen
| mode it ended up doing just that, rendering full screen
| inside a normal window area in my tiling WM. It was
| likely a bug/unimplemented feature at that stage, but to
| be honest it would have been nice to have as an option
| prior to pip.
| vifon wrote:
| For me it makes the fullscreen videos cover only the
| Firefox window, so they effectively can serve as PIP
| windows. To be honest, I have no idea how to enable it
| outside of XMonad, it just worked like this on XMonad
| many years ago when I switched to it and I actually liked
| this behavior so here we are.
| ubercow13 wrote:
| Right but xmonad is very idiosyncratic in that behaviour.
| I don't know of any other window manager that behaves
| like that, and while it seems useful in Firefox, it
| doesn't make much sense to ignore fullscreen requests
| from an application like mpv which has no chrome anyway,
| or say a video game which expects to be fullscreen and
| doesn't know how to dynamically scale its UI down when
| the window isn't the size it expects.
|
| PiP seems to be a cleaner solution.
| SubiculumCode wrote:
| PIP also has pin-on-top feature, I believe letting you place
| the video in a corner over an expanded, in-focus application.
| acdha wrote:
| I shared the initial reaction the first time I heard about it
| but completely changed my mind after using it. The big win is
| for poorly designed sites like YouTube which use non-standard
| controls and waste a significant majority of the space. I
| have hot keys to resize windows to screen quarters or halves
| but for anything less than full screen on my laptop a YouTube
| video will have less than half of the window devoted to the
| actual content and the browser chrome will reduce that even
| further.
|
| If there's something I'm watching but not giving my full
| attention to - say an event hasn't started yet or someone
| will be landing a rover on Mars in an hour - this means that
| I can either have a big chunk of my screen wasted or I can
| use PiP and have just the thing I care about using a quarter
| of the space but showing considerably more of the actual
| content.
|
| Plus, it uses well-tested standard controls so I don't have
| to play games figuring out whose <script> kiddies don't think
| about keyboard shortcuts or test their event handlers.
| _ph_ wrote:
| Most web pages only support two video sizes:
|
| 1. unusably small 2. full screen. Which often means unusably
| large (27" screen), especially for less-than-HD videos
|
| At least youtube added at some time the cinema mode which
| allowed the video to occupy the whole window width, that is
| what I use most of the time. Still, PIP also has the
| advantage of removing the window decorations, so saving
| space. Also, they are floating on top of all other windows,
| which helps, but also occasionally can be annoying.
| coldpie wrote:
| For a serious answer, here's some links:
|
| https://w3c.github.io/picture-in-picture/
|
| https://github.com/w3c/picture-in-picture/blob/master/explai...
|
| https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2018/10/watch-vide...
|
| https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1463402
|
| https://www.chromestatus.com/feature/5729206566649856
|
| Looks to me like it is a standard that web devs requested (e.g.
| so you can scroll down YouTube or whatever and the video will
| keep playing in the corner), which Firefox chose to also make
| an end-user UI for.
| sambe wrote:
| I think the parent is primarily referring to the _multiple_
| aspect of it (PiP was already supported).
| alecmg wrote:
| Found a random improvement: Kraken 1.1 benchmark runs faster now.
|
| Improved from roughly 760 to 700ms on my 5800X.
|
| Still ways to go to reach Chrome at 560ms
| xuhu wrote:
| How does Total Cookie Protection work with sites that redirect
| users to authentication providers on other domains ? What about
| shops that redirect to payment processors that rely on some magic
| cookie sharing in the background ? What about company.com loading
| some cookie-dependent content from company-cdn.com ?
| DyslexicAtheist wrote:
| > What about company.com loading some cookie-dependent content
| from company-cdn.com ?
|
| I've always tried to set up delivery of all static assets w/out
| cookies so that I do not incur the performance overhead. Not
| that it makes a huge difference except on very large sites. But
| last time I checked, performance & speed-test tools even remove
| points if this isn't done. Seems this is a feature not a bug or
| am I missing something?
| Ayesh wrote:
| As far as I understand, this only affects sub requests
| (iframes, Ajax requests, scripts, CSS, etc), and not the main
| request.
|
| In a redirect, the third party site is used as a friest party
| request, and should not be limited by this.
|
| See same site cookies and referrer policy to limit how much
| information is leaked to a third party with redirects.
| GolDDranks wrote:
| One more release to avif!
| gardaani wrote:
| Would it make sense to skip AVIF and add JPEG XL instead or
| wait for WebP2? JPEG XL and WebP2 have better image features,
| such as progressive loading.
| jdlyga wrote:
| I always used Firefox because it was far ahead of other browsers
| in terms of UI, such as good tabbed browsing. But now it's gotten
| rather clunky compared to Chrome. It's been playing catch up for
| years. For example, Firefox really needs to implement Tab Groups
| like Chrome. It's such a great feature, and it's a shame that
| Firefox doesn't have a version of it.
| mippenhappen wrote:
| >Tab Groups like Chrome
|
| I knew it had added that feature but I didn't actually try it
| until just now. And oh my god you can FOLD the group... tab
| management just got a lot better for me!
| buzzy_hacker wrote:
| I like tree style tabs https://addons.mozilla.org/en-
| US/firefox/addon/tree-style-ta...
| eznzt wrote:
| This new release also includes new ads, seems they forgot to put
| that in the release notes:
| https://twitter.com/CohanRobinson/status/1364172683118866433
| leokennis wrote:
| Oh wow.
|
| Say what you want about Safari being outdated etc. but at least
| they're not going to pull shit like this.
| lucideer wrote:
| Don't think the ads are in this release. They're being rolled
| out to a cohort of users, independent of version.
| bhandziuk wrote:
| These are nearly unnoticeable because they seem to disappear as
| soon as you start typing.
| mminer237 wrote:
| While it's scummy, I had those on 85, so it's not this release.
| Jamieee wrote:
| From the tweet's Author it's disabled via:
|
| about:config
|
| browser.newtabpage.activity-stream.showSponsored
|
| browser.newtabpage.activity-stream.showSponsoredTopSites
|
| there is also:
|
| services.sync.prefs.sync.browser.newtabpage.activity-
| stream.showSponsored
|
| services.sync.prefs.sync.browser.newtabpage.activity-
| stream.showSponsoredTopSites
| SamuelAdams wrote:
| Yes, this works. For now. The bigger problem is that this
| will probably go away at some point and the "sponsored" items
| will have no way (or a very difficult way) of being removed.
|
| This has happened before with the browser toolbar having an
| about:config option to disable enlarging behavior, now you
| have to do some hacky CSS thing.
|
| https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1274579
| JadeNB wrote:
| Now you don't just have to anticipate having options
| removed; that's the explicit development plan. (Quote is
| about a different preference, but I think it makes the
| style of development clear.)
|
| > We intend to add a keyboard shortcut for this[1]. In the
| meantime you can revert to the old printing interface by
| setting the `print.tab_modal.enabled` preference to `false`
| via the page `about:config`. In a few releases time, after
| we've finished integrating user feedback and polishing
| rough edges, we intend to remove that preference though.
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26275683
| woodrowbarlow wrote:
| they plan to remove a hidden about:config preference for
| the system print dialog and replace it with a _dedicated
| keyboard shortcut_. if you think that's evidence that
| they want to take away your control, i beg to differ.
| JadeNB wrote:
| No, to be honest, I misread and thought that the final
| sentence meant that they were taking all configurability,
| both preference and keyboard shortcut, away.
| cpeterso wrote:
| Those preferences are also available in the Firefox UI so
| they are accessible to non-power users:
|
| 1. Click the "Customize your New Tab page" gear icon on the
| New Tab page.
|
| 2. Uncheck the "Sponsored Top Sites" and "Sponsored Stories"
| checkboxes.
| eznzt wrote:
| I use Firefox ESR just so I don't have to do this every
| couple months.
| dbg31415 wrote:
| Firefox is my browser of choice, but it handles streaming video /
| video calls very poorly on MacOS. My MBP heats up and my battery
| goes into free fall.
|
| When I watch Twitch or take a Zoom call in Safari the fans may
| come on, but it never gets anywhere near as hot. Honestly think
| it's dangerous to the battery life.
|
| According to Apple's Energy Usage stat, Firefox uses "57" where
| Safari uses "1.7" for the same Zoom call.
|
| Given how much is done on streaming video calls now, love it if
| Firefox made this a priority.
| wpdev_63 wrote:
| If anyone from the firefox mobile team is here: please fix the
| bug where you can't scroll through the tabs when they overflow.
| Also opening whatsapp links for some reason doesn't open whatsapp
| but chrome does. This bug and several other nuance things made me
| go back to chrome mobile which is unfortunate. Especially with
| the fact that chrome mobile doesn't support plugins.
|
| I am a happy firefox user and the print preview is one of the
| very few things that made me open chrome backup.
| onelovetwo wrote:
| While we'll reporting things here, please remove the `delete`
| to go back, it has fucked me over so many times in text fields.
| No other browser does it.
| skymt wrote:
| Backspace will no longer be used for navigation by default in
| Firefox 87:
|
| https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1041377
|
| That key binding was added for interface compatibility with
| Internet Explorer, which is less important these days. If
| you'd like to disable it now, go to about:config and set
| browser.backspace_action = 2.
| ckcheng wrote:
| On Linux, browser.backspace_action = 2 was default since
| 2006-12-07:
|
| http://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.backspace_action
|
| Apparently, you can use value 1 to use backspace to scroll
| a page if you like!
| 0-_-0 wrote:
| I wonder if Total Cookie Protection is unnecessary if I have
| First Party Isolation enabled already
| ihuman wrote:
| It looks like TCP includes FPI, but isolates more data sources,
| like the storage APIs and Workers.
| https://hacks.mozilla.org/2021/02/introducing-state-partitio...
| partingshots wrote:
| Firefox has hundreds of developers. I don't understand why
| performance isn't on par with Chrome. I try my best to use
| Firefox to bring support, but sometimes I just have to switch
| back when things get too laggy.
|
| I'm sorry, but I only have 8 hours a day, and I'm not going to
| let my productivity flow get ruined.
| dyingkneepad wrote:
| What are you using that makes the performance difference be
| even noticeable? With the exception of cases where Firefox is
| absolutely broken, for me it's good enough. Or when I had
| crappy extensions, have you tried disabling extensions? I only
| have uBlock Origin and Firefox Containers these days.
|
| It does sadden me that some sites are starting to refuse to
| work with Firefox these days... But I won't give up.
| shaicoleman wrote:
| For me, Google Maps/Apple Maps (on DuckDuckGo) are painfully
| laggy on Firefox/Linux, even after force enabling all the GPU
| acceleration options. OpenStreetMap works fine, though.
|
| That said, Google has a long history of making their products
| glitchy on Firefox, so not sure it's all Firefox's fault.
|
| https://www.zdnet.com/article/former-mozilla-exec-google-
| has...
| sleepless wrote:
| Do you have numbers for this claim? Looking at
| https://www.anandtech.com/show/16078/the-2020-browser-battle...
| your statement does not match the test results. In which cases
| are things getting laggy for you?
| Tagbert wrote:
| Are you using Webrender with Firefox? It's off by default but
| once I turned it on, it sped up FF significantly. No beta
| issues so far.
| matsemann wrote:
| Wow, Ctrl+P has now started to open the proper print-interface
| with a preview! I've helped loads of people over the years
| complaining about printing in Fx vs Chrome. It used to be so in
| Fx that selecting Print from the menu opened an interface for
| printing (ala Chrome), but pressing Ctrl+P just opened standard
| OS print dialog. So power users never saw the nice print preview.
| bradstewart wrote:
| Wow. I switched to Firefox around the same time I switched a
| Mac for work, and just assumed the lack of print preview was a
| weird macOS thing.
|
| This makes me happy.
| lucideer wrote:
| fwiw Firefox always had _a_ print preview; it was just behind
| a different shortcut rather than integrated into the default
| flow.
| frosted-flakes wrote:
| The old Print Preview actually allowed you to inspect the
| page with the Developer Tools. Which was great for
| debugging print-specific CSS. I don't think that's possible
| with the new Print Preview, but the new one is better in
| every other way.
| folknor wrote:
| Should be possible using the Browser Toolbox to inspect
| the entire interface? I just checked and the HTML is
| definitely in the inspector at least, but I'm not sure
| what your requirements are.
| lights0123 wrote:
| What do you mean by "Browser Toolbox"? Firefox doesn't
| have Chrome's @media (print) emulation.
| bradstewart wrote:
| I would have literally never discovered that without this
| post. I honestly forgot there was a File->Print button
| until I read this. Ctrl/cmd+P is jus burned into my muscle
| memory.
| jwatt wrote:
| Actually, you were correct. Firefox on Windows and Linux has
| provided a print preview "since forever", but this is the
| first time Firefox has had print preview functionality on
| macOS (outside of using the system print dialog to generate
| and open a PDF in the Preview app).
| bradstewart wrote:
| Right. I just assumed Chrome and Safari also lacked print
| preview on macOS, didn't even think to check.
| callmeal wrote:
| For those of us that prefer the OS print dialog, how can we
| stop this madness?
| berelig wrote:
| There is an option to print using the system dialog on the
| right panel after you press COMMAND + P
| lucideer wrote:
| There's a link to the OS print dialog in the new print
| preview view (not perfect, but better than nothing if you
| prefer it)
| Wowfunhappy wrote:
| :( So there's no way to just default to that? In chrome
| there's a `defaults write` command that does it.
|
| I really dislike this philosophy of replacing the system
| functionality. Particularly on Mac where the system
| functionality is quite good. (On Windows and Linux, I
| admittedly don't care as much, because nothing is ever
| consistent anyway...)
| jwatt wrote:
| We intend to add a keyboard shortcut for this[1]. In the
| meantime you can revert to the old printing interface by
| setting the `print.tab_modal.enabled` preference to `false`
| via the page `about:config`. In a few releases time, after
| we've finished integrating user feedback and polishing rough
| edges, we intend to remove that preference though.
|
| 1. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1667950
| nogridbag wrote:
| We have an application using a web based PDF viewer
| (PDFTron) and printing PDFs has always been a pain point.
| That library supports "embedded printing" which only works
| on Chrome (https://www.pdftron.com/documentation/web/guides
| /print/overv...). So for now we're advising our customers
| to use Chrome for our application. Do you know if this is
| something being improved upon? Sorry this is a bit OT!
| jwatt wrote:
| Offhand I'm not sure what functionality Firefox is
| missing that has caused them to only support Chrome. I'd
| be interested in taking a look though if you have their
| paid support and can persuade them to either file a
| bug[1] (or to give you sufficient technical information
| so that you can file a bug).
|
| 1. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Cor
| e&comp...
| nogridbag wrote:
| Thanks! I'll get in contact with their support. Too late
| to edit my earlier post. The link to their embedded
| printing is: https://www.pdftron.com/documentation/web/gu
| ides/print/overv...
| JadeNB wrote:
| Why is Firefox, with its devotion to hearing the user's
| voice, always in such a hurry to remove toggles that
| express user preferences?
| jwatt wrote:
| In the general case where that's true I expect it mostly
| comes down to trying to balance features against
| available resources and the amount/complexity of the code
| that needs to be written/maintained. As noted elsewhere
| in this thread, there were a bunch of layoffs at Mozilla
| the last year, but even without that it's sometimes
| necessary to make tough, pragmatic decisions.
|
| In the case of the new print preview/workflow, however, I
| expect it will provide virtually everyone with a better
| workflow once we've finished polishing any rough edges.
| The feedback on places like Reddit indicates that it's
| already a very clear net win for most users, and I think
| we can address most of the complaints on
| support.mozilla.org etc. The eventual removal of the
| `print.tab_modal.enabled` preference and the old code
| will simply be because having two print preview
| implementations adds code complexity and is a maintenance
| burden.
| JadeNB wrote:
| Thank you for the reply, which you must get tired of
| giving but which you nonetheless gave politely.
|
| I understand that the needs of any one user, such as me,
| with a particular idiosyncratic set of needs and
| preferences are at odds with those of the body of users
| as a whole, who need an appropriate balance between
| customiseability and useability, together with, of
| course, deliverability--it's no good having a product
| custom-tailored to fit every possible combination of
| needs if the developers collapse under the maintenance
| weight.
|
| I didn't really mean what I said as anything other than a
| _cri de coeur_ : it sometimes seems that Firefox rode to
| its current position on the wave of the love and passion
| of power users, a group of which I am on the periphery,
| but now cares more about its numerically larger but less
| devoted casual user base. This is probably the right
| decision, but it's still frustrating as one of those
| long-time users (from back in the Phoenix days!).
| drewzero1 wrote:
| I noticed that! I've been using the print preview from the File
| menu (a bit cumbersome with menus hidden and without a
| dedicated shortcut) and noticed that I didn't have the option
| this week.
|
| I seem to remember the controls for page fit being a little
| better with the old print preview, but my real complaint is
| with websites that don't scale well to print rather than
| Firefox's method of printing them.
| purerandomness wrote:
| Oh my god! I've never seen the proper print interface and
| always assumed Mozilla simply didn't care about printing.
| driverdan wrote:
| This doesn't appear to be new in 86. I'm on 85 and it has
| preview when I hit Cmd+P.
| betamaxthetape wrote:
| As someone who always used the Ctrl-P keyboard shortcut, I
| never even knew that a print-with-preview interface existed in
| Firefox.
| dtx1 wrote:
| It never even occured to me to use the menu version. What an
| upgrade
| agumonkey wrote:
| you guys made me read the menu shortcuts .. didn't know
| reader mode and all-tabs had them (in order CTRL-ALT-R and
| CTRL-SHIFT-TAB)
| _Microft wrote:
| May I blow your mind? ;)
|
| _Ctrl-1_ to _Ctrl-8_ accesses the first eight tabs
| directly, _Ctrl-9_ jumps to the last tab. Enjoy!
| agumonkey wrote:
| I think you meant Alt-N and yeah I did know (don't even
| know how but I use it every day since forever..)
| Raphael_Amiard wrote:
| It'll be alt-n on mac's I think!
| dotancohen wrote:
| Try Tridactyl. You can access any tab directly with `b`.
| jdfellow wrote:
| I didn't know about the Ctrl-9. Thanks.
| iso1631 wrote:
| I'm on Firefox 84, pressing file/print or ctrl-p brings up a
| preview window on the left, printer selection on the right.
| jwatt wrote:
| The new print interface has been progressively released to
| a subset of users over multiple releases. It's only gone to
| 100% of users as of Firefox 86.
| runarberg wrote:
| I guess I was in the early rollout. I was in the middle
| of designing a print layout about a month or two ago when
| firefox got updated. After a restart I suddenly was
| missing the print preview option in the menu to test my
| design. I was really glad to see that I could from now on
| just press Ctrl + P and get a much better experience.
| ritonlajoie wrote:
| I'm sorry Firefox, after using you for 3 years, I tried chrome
| again and for my usage, Chrome seems more reactive to my
| browsing, faster. I really tried but whenever I play some media,
| I have issues with my nvidia driver (using windows 10) or stuff
| like that. I will try again in the future for sure if you are
| still aroung !
| pentagrama wrote:
| Not totally related, but someone know if exist an RSS feed to
| follow the stable Firefox releases? Can't find it on this page.
|
| This Firefox changelogs are awesome to know big improvements and
| new features on a surface level.
|
| For Chrome I didn't find a proper way to follow the releases even
| if it has some RSS feeds, I follow the RSS feed of Chrome
| Releases blog [1] with a tag filter [2] but can't exclude the
| several point releases, and also the changelogs are not very
| informative [3]. And the Chrome blog [4] I get some feature
| announcements but is a mix bag.
|
| [1] https://chromereleases.googleblog.com
|
| [2]
| http://googlechromereleases.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default...
|
| [3] https://chromereleases.googleblog.com/2021/01/stable-
| channel...
|
| [4] https://blog.google/products/chrome/
| nitrohorse wrote:
| Interested myself, currently using
| https://groups.google.com/forum/feed/mozilla.announce/msgs/r...
| (https://groups.google.com/g/mozilla.announce).
| pentagrama wrote:
| Thank you! That's perfect! And a bit ironic that the RSS feed
| is on a Google product aka the company that kill Google
| Reader.
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