[HN Gopher] Website scores kill our success, waste our time
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Website scores kill our success, waste our time
Author : AuthorizedCust
Score : 28 points
Date : 2021-02-20 16:53 UTC (1 days ago)
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| viseztrance wrote:
| On stackoverflow you can spend your reputation on bounties for
| certain questions (niche, difficult) that would otherwise get
| ignored.
|
| Personally I spent about 1000 reputation points on those, and
| some of the answers were surprisingly good.
| amarant wrote:
| Is this guy saying you can't pay rent with internet points?
|
| Huh...
| tyingq wrote:
| I think there are some web scores that are actually useful. The
| ssllabs one comes to mind.
| onion2k wrote:
| HN karma isn't important? I've wasted my life.
| amelius wrote:
| Scores often don't just benefit the website owners, but arguably
| also the other users (and thus also you). Without karma, HN could
| be a different place.
| tyingq wrote:
| I think the initial ramp of karma up to whatever the threshold
| is to allow downvotes is helpful. I'm not sure it has much
| actual utility past that.
| bigwavedave wrote:
| > I think the initial ramp of karma up to whatever the
| threshold is to allow downvotes is helpful. I'm not sure it
| has much actual utility past that.
|
| I have to agree (at least, in my case). I know that when I
| first started here, I was a lot more reactionary and
| frequently found myself wishing for a way to downvote people
| who disagreed with my perspective, but I couldn't act on that
| immaturity because of the required ramp up. I'm still human,
| I'm still reactive- but instead of just saying "I disagree;
| you're canceled," it's forced me to take a moment and
| actually focus on both perspectives and the merits that other
| paradigms offer. I'm not anywhere close to perfect, but it's
| certainly helped me grow :).
| undefined1 wrote:
| I think scores on github, stackoverflow and HN may be a net win
| for all concerned.
|
| Twitter and Facebook scores on the other hand... a massive net
| loss for all but Twitter, FB, their employees and shareholders.
| kodah wrote:
| I'm not really convinced GitHub scoring is realistic or even
| really representative of much. Kubernetes has tons of stars,
| yet how many stars do all the packages that Kubernetes consumes
| have? The ingredients and the arrangement of the parts are
| often more important than the whole; yet look who is rewarded.
|
| HN scores, to me, stop mattering past about 500, maybe 1000. By
| then you should know the guidelines, how to conduct some proper
| discourse, and should have dropped baggage from previous
| websites like Twitter or Reddit.
| Taylor_OD wrote:
| I like having more green boxes than not on github. But at
| least 10% of my little green boxes are just commits little
| nonsense commits I made for the sake of getting a green box.
|
| Is a potential employer ever going to look over every one of
| my commits to see what percentage are meaningful? Nope. Will
| a potential employer look and see a lot of green boxes and
| think that makes me more qualified or passionate? You bet
| your ass they will and have.
|
| Is that good? I don't think so but I'll keep doing it as long
| as it helps me get paid.
| MaulingMonkey wrote:
| > Is a potential employer ever going to look over every one
| of my commits to see what percentage are meaningful? Nope.
|
| What they'll do instead is look at a semi-random sampling
| of your repositories and commits. They don't need to look
| at every commit to get a statistically meaningful sampling
| of what your commits look like, and they can look at even
| less to get a vague, rough idea of what you're up to.
| eivarv wrote:
| "When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good
| measure".
|
| That's not to say anything about any beneficial side-effects,
| though.
|
| [0]:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law#Generalizatio...
| aeturnum wrote:
| The sociologist in me suspects that scoring systems are popular
| because they instrumentalize interaction in a sufficiently
| ambiguous way to do work for many audiences. It's really useful
| that comment scores have vague relationships to a lot of socially
| important qualities (interest / sentiment / etc). I 'use' changes
| in my HN karma as a cue that someone is interacting with one of
| my comments. For me the karma system could be totally replaced by
| reply notifications - but others might use it differently.
|
| Keeping the score system basic leaves each person to have
| whatever thoughts they want about their karma without the website
| telling them how to feel. There's a dark pattern aspect to this
| where web sites can foster unhealthy levels of interaction while
| saying that's not what they intended. There's also an emergent
| behavior side where scoring systems are used in ways the makers
| can't predict.
| theamk wrote:
| Those scores are a part of the game, but that doesn't mean they
| are meaningless. They are just as meaningful as goals in soccer,
| or stats in RPG, or gold coins in platformer games.
|
| That means: realize this is a game, understand rules, and decide
| if you want to play this game for the score. If not, don't waste
| time of them. If yes, don't forget to periodically re-evaluate if
| this game is still worth your time.
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