[HN Gopher] Memory Techniques from Vedic Learning [pdf]
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Memory Techniques from Vedic Learning [pdf]
Author : keiferski
Score : 57 points
Date : 2021-02-20 19:06 UTC (3 hours ago)
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| RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote:
| > The oral tradition of vedic learning has preserved the entire
| vedic texts by purely human memory for several generations. This
| in an enormous accomplishment given the vast corpus of text
| preserved without any errors creeping in.This has been made
| possible by a diligently devised systematic scheme of chanting
| the vedic corpus.
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| A system of chanting for memory has been used since pre-history
| across many cultures. See for example Greek epic poetry, Hebrew
| Scripture, Arabic Koran, Anglo-Saxon Beowulf, Viking sagas.
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| In ptr-literate societies, bards were able to memorize huge
| amounts of information and recite to their listeners. Much of the
| poetry with its rhyme/meter/repetition was written that way to
| aid in memorization.
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| That sort of memorization got a lot less as literacy grew and
| people could just read stuff for themselves, but it was pretty
| widespread and certainly not something unique to the Vedic
| tradition.
| duskwuff wrote:
| > This in an enormous accomplishment given the vast corpus of
| text preserved without any errors creeping in.
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| This bit is particularly questionable. It's unproveable -- if a
| text was _only_ transmitted orally, there 's no way to compare
| its modern form to an older version -- and it's probably wrong.
| The short-range memorization techniques described in the
| article don't guard against larger-scale errors in
| memorization, like omitting a "chapter" of a text, nor do they
| prevent single-word changes, like a student mishearing a word
| for another similar-sounding word.
| boxed wrote:
| More pseudo scientific bs from Hindu nationalists.
| ajju wrote:
| The article focuses on texts of Hinduism but I don't understand
| the criticism. The article seems to accurately describe how
| vedic verses were memorized using simple techniques like
| chunking and chaining. The author starts by pointing out that
| pretty much everyone uses these techniques to memorize phone
| numbers, so I don't see any surreptitious glorification of
| religion here.
| abledon wrote:
| do you think if, for say, 20 generations, your family practiced
| these mental exercises... would your DNA/RNA (more % turned
| 'on'[1]) be primed for increased memorization ?
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| [1] https://science.howstuffworks.com/life/genetic/genes-
| turned-...
| keiferski wrote:
| From my understanding, this is essentially Lamarckism, which
| was not taken as fact for a long time but has (recently?) been
| investigated again.
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| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamarckism
| ajju wrote:
| Fascinating. As a child, I semi-reluctantly learned vedic
| chanting when staying with relatives over the summer. It was very
| interesting to understand the "algorithms" behind the techniques
| they used to have us memorize each "shlok". As the author says,
| these served an important purpose to transmit knowledge to future
| generations when writing materials and books were scarce and
| delicate.
| naruvimama wrote:
| The idea that memorization was used due to a lack of writing
| material is just a modern and shallow interpretation.
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| The ancients considered written text as less authentic, and
| rightly so.
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| Oral knowledge is spread among the populance and can not be
| destroyed or distorted by few actors.
| keiferski wrote:
| It seems increasingly obvious to me that memorization and
| learning play a really important role in maintaining basic
| intellectual standards. Everything can't be googled and even
| if it could be, retrieval isn't equivalent to knowledge.
| Having personally memorized a lot of things via Anki, there
| is a noticeable difference when you can "chew on" something
| mentally at a subconscious level.
| thecleaner wrote:
| I mean yeah we get it. Everything from Einstein's equation to
| memory techniques to anatomy to the cure for goddamn covid was in
| the Vedas. Can we have less of these please ? I am sure India the
| country has contributed other things worth show-and-tell after
| the Vedas were written.
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