[HN Gopher] Ask HN: What are the best websites that the Anglosph...
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       Ask HN: What are the best websites that the Anglosphere doesn't
       know about?
        
       What unique or high-quality content only exists outside the
       English-speaking web? Is there a Chinese equivalent to Hacker News?
       A Hindi StackOverflow? I would love to broaden my horizons :)
        
       Author : remolacha
       Score  : 449 points
       Date   : 2021-02-14 23:56 UTC (23 hours ago)
        
       | donquichotte wrote:
       | mikrocontroller.net, a German resource and forum for electronics,
       | microcontrollers and low level programming.
        
       | sasaf5 wrote:
       | https://endic.naver.com
       | 
       | Best resource for Korean language when approached from the
       | Anglosphere.
        
         | mcyc wrote:
         | Yes, this is truly a great resource for Korean. There are some
         | interesting bugs (like english text example search matches
         | substrings rather than words; e.g. searching "tile" results in
         | "The Ptile value is outside the range of valid values". There
         | were worse cases a few months ago that seem to be resolved),
         | but overall it is an invaluable tool for Korean learners.
        
       | pmlnr wrote:
       | https://prohardver.hu/forum/index.html
       | 
       | Hungarian tech forum; think tech only reddit. The thinkpad thread
       | used to host quite a decent knowledge in the x200 modding era.
       | 
       | http://www.elektro.zolee.hu/rajz_lista.php
       | 
       | Oldschool electronic circuit board drawings, also Hungarian.
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | fomine3 wrote:
       | Scrapbox is well made note/collaboration SaaS made in Kyoto. It's
       | frictionless experience but also opinionated (like they don't use
       | Markdown).
       | 
       | https://scrapbox.io/
        
       | djaahk wrote:
       | In French you have a few interesting options, notably:
       | 
       | - LeBonCoin.fr ("the good corner", a Craigslist type site that's
       | used for everything from second-hand selling to job hunting to
       | meet up organising),
       | 
       | - LesNumeriques.fr is a decent tech review media with in-depth
       | tests and a VERY critical community providing good balance
       | 
       | - Gazelle which has now become backmarket.fr (also exists across
       | other countries like Spain and the U.K.) and offers vetted
       | second-hand tech gear - great for bargains and avoiding buying
       | new for ecological reasons,
       | 
       | - LeMonde.fr/Les-Decodeurs is the fact checking arm of the French
       | paper Le Monde and has some really interesting visualisations and
       | articles
       | 
       | - Presse-Citron.fr was one of the first tech blogs in France and
       | continues to be a reference
       | 
       | - priice.fr is a price comparison site I've heard good things
       | about but haven't used myself yet
       | 
       | - danstonchat.com is the French version of Bash.org for IRC fun
       | 
       | - Legorafi.fr is a satirical paper with lots of hilarious fake
       | news - often quite timely - akin to The Onion (it's a play on
       | words on the famous French paper Le Figaro)
       | 
       | - Gandi.net is a registrar and hosting site which I've been using
       | forever - they're awesome
        
         | di4na wrote:
         | canardpc.com is probably the best video game magazine and
         | review around.
         | 
         | I would not advise presse-citron they have been pretty obvious
         | about being more or less just a sold out editorial at this
         | point.
        
         | LordNight wrote:
         | It's very niche but Philharmonie de Paris has some brilliant
         | visualized analysis of some classical music scores.
         | 
         | For example:
         | 
         | https://pad.philharmoniedeparis.fr/CMDA/CMDA100008800/defaul...
         | 
         | https://pad.philharmoniedeparis.fr/CMDA/CMDA100003900/defaul...
         | 
         | https://pad.philharmoniedeparis.fr/CMDA/CMDA100004800/defaul...
         | 
         | Sadly they don't present the full scores, only the beginning or
         | some part. I wonder if there are other sites where you can find
         | something similar.
         | 
         | Somewhat related is http://www.critique-musicale.com/ - another
         | great site.
        
         | jeffreyrogers wrote:
         | I like Gandi too (I'm American, not French), very pleasant
         | compared to other registrars I've used.
        
         | gquiniou wrote:
         | I would add Linuxfr.org and specifically the user journals :
         | https://linuxfr.org/journaux : it is the website of the french
         | libre software community.
         | 
         | Lots of interesting content you don't find anywhere else.
        
         | Nextgrid wrote:
         | LeBonCoin became annoying since they put contact details behind
         | a login wall. What made it successful back in the day is the
         | simplicity - just post an ad and have interested people call
         | you. Search for something and you can directly call sellers.
        
         | staticelf wrote:
         | LeBonCoin is actually a fork of the Swedish original site
         | Blocket.se, visit it and you will see similarities. Both are
         | today owned by the Norwegian umbrella organisation Schibsted
         | afaik.
        
       | aasasd wrote:
       | If you're asking about services too: Yandex Market. It's like
       | Google Product Search that is actually successful and widely used
       | for searching for specific products, or Amazon that doesn't
       | swindle you left and right.
       | 
       | It's basically just a large catalog of products, filled by third-
       | parties a-la Amazon now, only it didn't sell anything itself
       | (until recently). Instead, it had detailed characteristics for a
       | lot of products, with corresponding filters in the catalog; and
       | good user reviews. Since Yandex is good at dealing with
       | unstructured text, even poor data exports by vendors end up
       | organized decently on the service. Since Yandex had millions of
       | users on its other services, they all could leave reviews without
       | much hassle. And since Yandex is primarily a search engine, it
       | knows when a bogus review is spammed across the web.
       | 
       | Alas, it's only available in Russian since it works with Russian
       | shops. Every time I need to look for a product on the English
       | web, I lament that there's no service that is quite that solid.
       | Amazon has filters, but search results usually look like simply a
       | bit better Aliexpress. In regard to Google Product Search I don't
       | even know anything particular--I tried to use it a couple times,
       | and my general impression is that it... exists. Not much else.
        
         | daishi424 wrote:
         | Looks like they've been running A/B tests recently - reviews
         | are hidden on some products. Or maybe they hide reviews for
         | anonymous user. I hope it won't go further than that.
        
         | kalleboo wrote:
         | Sweden has prisjakt.nu, and Japan has kakaku.com that serve the
         | same purpose, they're both great! It's so nice to be able to
         | drill down into any product in any product category (for kakaku
         | this is not just tech products but contact lenses, credit
         | cards, movers, electricity providers, car insurance, phone
         | plans, etc) using the specs you want, and then sort by
         | intelligently selected columns like $/TB for a harddisk.
         | 
         | Amazon attempts to do some product categorization but it
         | doesn't work at all - even when they have the category you want
         | to filter on the results are usually wrong, and the sort
         | options are bad and marred by their ads and recommendations.
        
           | RasmusLarsen wrote:
           | I don't know the exact list, but pricespy (prisjakt) is in a
           | lot of countries. I have used .no/.se/.co.uk previously and
           | they all seem to be at about the same level for their
           | respective countries.
        
             | universa1 wrote:
             | Sounds a lot like geizhals.de - price comparison site with
             | detailed info on products, best for tech products though
        
               | Jon_Lowtek wrote:
               | it's an awesome product search focused on depth not
               | breadth. This site lets you filter headsets by connectors
               | and dog food by taste.
        
               | tatami wrote:
               | Geizhals is amazing! I started using it for price
               | comparison almost 15 years ago, but nowadays I use it
               | mainly as a database to filter for products which fit my
               | needs and are available.
        
           | jug wrote:
           | Prisjakt (Pricespy) is very deep in Swedish online shopping
           | culture. I wonder if Amazon realizes what they are up to. It
           | does make their website feel superfluous to me and more like
           | what what I'd expect from a company of the year 2010.
           | 
           | What I like most about Prisjakt is that they don't try to
           | second guess what I want given a basic search phrase.
           | Instead, Prisjakt gives me the categories to drill down into
           | tables. Sortable and filterable tables with product name,
           | price, rating, and category-specific columns (like storage
           | size and $/GB for hard drives). The filters run DEEP. If
           | you're looking for a HDR display, you can be happy with a
           | "HDR" filter but also opt into DisplayHDR 1000 certified
           | displays with 120+ Hz. For the entire Sweden because every
           | decent Swedish retail chain and store is on this website, and
           | they have everything between solid state drives and shoes in
           | their database. If you look for watches you have filters and
           | columns for e.g. automatic, solar powered watches, etc.
           | 
           | Amazon is very, very different. They're also a front to
           | various stores but try to make it appear like THEY are the
           | store when they are really not. Prisjakt instead just has
           | this razor sharp focus on making you in charge of the data
           | and forming decisions based on that, and then when the
           | decision is made, presents you a list of the stores with that
           | product and their respective prices. You are in control and
           | maybe you prefer a certain one because you're a long time
           | user there and like them.
           | 
           | So Amazon becomes a "fake store front" (like Sweden's CDON)
           | and Prisjakt is more like just a database. One optimized for
           | usability and presentation.
        
             | systemvoltage wrote:
             | > It does make their website feel superfluous to me and
             | more like what what I'd expect from a company of the year
             | 2010.
             | 
             | That is a wonderful feature, not a bug. I wish all websites
             | would go back to 2010 era.
             | 
             | The usability alone of Prisjakt is incredible. It's not in-
             | your-face like the shit that's being invented in 2020s.
        
             | aasasd wrote:
             | Yeah, that sounds pretty much like a description of Yandex
             | Market, plus YM also has good user reviews. I regularly
             | learned from reviews what I _might_ want from a product,
             | for both functionality and quality.
        
         | sm4rk0 wrote:
         | Something like https://idealo.de/ (and .at .es .fr .it .co.uk)?
        
           | benhurmarcel wrote:
           | Idealo is a great price comparison website, but not really
           | for finding the right product for you. More for finding where
           | to buy the product you've already chosen.
        
           | scns wrote:
           | I usually use https://geizhals.de/ since it is more tech
           | related. Useable for people living in EU/UK/AT/DE/PL.
        
         | Black101 wrote:
         | Yandex reverse image search is also much better then Google's
         | version in my experience.
        
           | adventured wrote:
           | Google intentionally tamped down their reverse image search
           | several years ago. They fundamentally changed how the product
           | works, the results that it delivers, and did it on purpose.
           | It's definitely inferior if you're actually looking to find
           | copies of an image (Google is fully aware, they don't want
           | you to be able to effectively search their image system that
           | way).
        
             | beefield wrote:
             | > they don't want you to be able to effectively search
             | their image system that way)
             | 
             | Why?
        
               | dvfjsdhgfv wrote:
               | This is an excellent question.
        
             | pizza wrote:
             | Interestingly enough, Yandex did so also, a while ago, as
             | it was being used as a scarily good open-source undercover
             | agent identification tool
             | https://www.bellingcat.com/resources/how-
             | tos/2019/12/26/guid...
             | 
             | although I can't seem to find the followup post that
             | actually discusses how the Yandex search quality decreased
             | following the publication of the original article
        
               | llampx wrote:
               | Fascinating read, thank you. I can't help but wonder what
               | is available to big companies and governments these days
               | in terms of technology and algorithms that we laypeople
               | don't have access to or even dream about.
        
               | exikyut wrote:
               | Ah, wow, finally found the exact article I was looking
               | for. This thing:
               | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22492671
               | 
               | And then there was the genomics or DNA database or
               | something that a couple of people were running out of
               | their garage (well, a bit more than that) but then had to
               | shut down after law enforcement discovered it, found it
               | incredibly useful, and everything rapidly went sideways
               | as "things aren't supposed to work that way"... but I'm
               | having the hardest time finding the link for this one
               | sadly ._.
               | 
               | EDIT (just within the 1hr window :): I think the second
               | one was GEDmatch. A quick search of
               | https://hn.algolia.com/?query=gedmatch didn't relocate
               | what I remember reading, but I think this was it.
        
         | modeless wrote:
         | Amazon product listings and reviews are such a cesspool these
         | days. It's a travesty.
         | 
         | It's completely impossible to tell good quality stuff from
         | useless garbage (especially since they are usually commingled
         | in the same listing), and often it's impossible to find good
         | quality stuff at all under the barrage of listings of the same
         | two products with different fake brand names. The sorting
         | options are a joke and the ratings are gamed so much they
         | indicate nothing except how much the seller spent buying
         | reviews.
         | 
         | It's amazing that Google hasn't been able to do better here.
        
           | [deleted]
        
           | derefr wrote:
           | You'd think someone would have come along who just scrapes
           | Amazon's listings, applies their own intelligent indexing
           | heuristics, and spits out a new search/browse page that just
           | links through to Amazon's regular product pages. Like
           | CamelCamelCamel, but for dimensions other than price.
        
             | modeless wrote:
             | I thought about trying to build something like this, but
             | figured that I'd probably just get sued. Also I think
             | matching listings to accurate product metadata would be
             | practically impossible even if you had a good source for
             | the metadata, and it still wouldn't fix issues like
             | inventory commingling in the warehouse or bait and switch
             | listings that reduce product quality over time.
        
             | fomine3 wrote:
             | AFAIK in the kakaku.com case, between kakaku.com and
             | shopping sites are partner. Sites (including Amazon.co.jp)
             | gets customers, kakaku.com gets affiliate fee. Why this
             | model won't work in the US?
        
           | flarg wrote:
           | Fakespot
        
         | karlicoss wrote:
         | Can confirm -- if I need to buy some electronic device, I'd do
         | a search/filter on yandex.market first and compare side by
         | side. Amazon with its fuzzy searches is garbage for such
         | shopping.
        
       | adem wrote:
       | [Eksi
       | Sozluk](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ek%C5%9Fi_S%C3%B6zl%C3%BCk)
        
         | kamyarg wrote:
         | Came to mention Eksi also.
         | 
         | Eksi Sozluk(Sour Times) is a community driven wikipedia without
         | the moderation. Most tech-savvy Turkish people I know visit it
         | atleast once per day.
        
       | gspr wrote:
       | Most of the techy anglosophere know CCC from the annual
       | conferences. But they do much more: https://www.ccc.de/
        
       | charlysl wrote:
       | In Spain, forocoches.com (started out as a forum around cars, now
       | tons of subforums; right-wing bias; invitation only) and
       | meneame.net (user submitted news, tech & more; left-wing bias;
       | draconian moderation).
       | 
       | Both very useful to understand what people really think in Spain
       | about all kinds of topics.
        
         | Darmody wrote:
         | Meneame is the Spanish /r/politics. You will hardly get
         | anything of value out of there. Even the founder noped the f
         | out.
        
       | luxurytent wrote:
       | https://www.webtoons.com/en/ is massively popular in Korea and
       | surrounding, but niche in NA
        
       | daocao wrote:
       | Taobao!
       | 
       | It's like eBay, but for wholesalers who are ~selling "ghost
       | shift" parts~ offloading excess inventory to small-time
       | consumers.
       | 
       | There are brokers for international customers; they communicate
       | with the sellers and consolidate orders into a single parcel for
       | ~10-15% commission.
       | 
       | But it's harder to browse these days; less is available without
       | an account which you need to provide a mobile number for, and you
       | have to jump through hoops to avoid getting only "international"
       | listings.
        
       | Tijdreiziger wrote:
       | https://tweakers.net
       | 
       | Dutch-language tech community. Has news, a well-moderated and
       | active forum, product and price comparison (with many filtering
       | options) and reviews (both by tech journalists and the
       | community), second-hand sales, and a job board.
       | 
       | It was started by one guy 20 (if not more) years ago, but these
       | days it's part of one of the big Dutch-language media
       | conglomerates (DPG Media).
        
         | Cthulhu_ wrote:
         | I started visiting this site when I was 16/17 and starting off
         | my IT classes. I still feel like I learned more browsing the
         | site's daily news than my school. It's still my daily routine,
         | nearly 20 years later, to visit it every day. I'm apparently in
         | the top 100 wrt number of comments (mostly shitposts and
         | arguing, kinda like what I do on HN)
         | 
         | Never did get on with the forums much, mind you. But some
         | threads are fun to follow.
        
           | Tijdreiziger wrote:
           | I think the forums are one of the site's greatest assets,
           | actually. But there does exist a certain culture there in
           | which absolutely everything is debated into oblivion, even
           | long past the point where such a discussion stops being
           | useful for answering the question at hand.
        
         | superdeeda wrote:
         | Nice! Any other Dutch websites you can recommend?
        
       | Darmody wrote:
       | - EU Open Data Portal: https://data.europa.eu/euodp/en/home
       | 
       | - Research*EU Magazines: https://cordis.europa.eu/research-eu -
       | EU Research magazine is the World leading open access publication
       | for scientific research and dissemination. Each issue covers a
       | different thematic area, presenting cutting edge science in an
       | innovative and entertaining format.
        
       | gspr wrote:
       | https://yr.no provides an API for high quality open weather data,
       | globally, supplied by the Norwegian meteorological service.
       | Information is available in English too, but it is perhaps not
       | well-known in the anglosophere.
        
         | luplex wrote:
         | It's what I use for mountaineering in the alps. It has all the
         | mountains as searchable POIs, so it's much better than other
         | consumer apps.
        
         | gspr wrote:
         | I guess I should add some information, since it's not trivial
         | to find from the main page. The API documentation [1] is in
         | English. Most (all?) the data is dual-licensed under CC-BY-4.0
         | and the Norwegian open government data license [2]. Please do
         | take care not to abuse a tax-payer funded service, and do obey
         | the the terms of service [3] (these are restrictions on
         | querying the API, not on the use of the data themselves, which
         | seems reasonable).
         | 
         | [1] https://developer.yr.no/
         | 
         | [2] https://data.norge.no/nlod/en/2.0/
         | 
         | [3] https://developer.yr.no/doc/TermsOfService/
        
         | coopierez wrote:
         | The app also has an extremely enjoyable visualisation of the
         | weather predictions, which is a nice bonus!
        
         | shyber wrote:
         | this one is also great for sailing
        
       | yarbas89 wrote:
       | There's a very old Turkish website (late 90s AFAIK) called
       | http://eksisozluk.com - it's like a mix between wiki, reddit and
       | urbandictionary.
       | 
       | It has an important place in Turkish youth subculture and I
       | believe it originated as a 'forum' for the tech community in
       | Turkey.
        
       | 4cao wrote:
       | 4PDA.ru is arguably a better version of XDA-Developers: a
       | repository of all kinds of customizations for Android devices.
       | 
       | Unlike XDA, it's well-categorized into threads, the first post is
       | always a good summary of what's inside that particular thread
       | with links to individual posts, and low-effort clutter is
       | mercilessly moderated away.
        
       | owenversteeg wrote:
       | I particularly like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marefa. I
       | wouldn't know about the quality of the content - I don't speak
       | Arabic - but from what I can tell it's like Arabic Wikipedia, but
       | you also get blogs, forums, ancient manuscripts, email with
       | unlimited storage (?!?) and much more. The Arabic internet in
       | general is always interesting to me, because even in 2021 it
       | still seems very ad-hoc and far less commercialized than the
       | parts of the internet I've seen in other languages.
        
         | imedadel wrote:
         | It started as a fork of the Arabic Wikipedia, though. And most
         | content is outdated since they don't have that many
         | contributors.
        
       | ximus wrote:
       | Quality docomentaries and looks on society on Arte.tv, the
       | european culture channel
       | 
       | AFAIK, north americans don't know about its existence. It's
       | available in english.
       | 
       | https://www.arte.tv/en/
        
         | bierjunge wrote:
         | A while ago ARTE started a side channel and asked users how to
         | name it, which we all know is a bad idea in the internet. The
         | result was "Irgendwas mit ARTE und Kultur" ("something with
         | ARTE and culture") and they really took the name:
         | https://www.youtube.com/c/IrgendwasmitARTEundKultur Kudos to
         | ARTE.
         | 
         | BTW. it's a cooperation between french and german public
         | televisions, is there something similar elsewhere in the world?
        
           | [deleted]
        
           | gurkendoktor wrote:
           | Their Twitter team(?) is also all-in on self-deprecation:
           | https://twitter.com/ARTEde/status/928269091311296512
        
         | remify wrote:
         | As a French my definition of a documentary is what Arte
         | produce.
         | 
         | I recently discovered what a documentary is for an American and
         | it's night and day. American documentaries are entertainment
         | package with actions and conspiracies. There's really not a lot
         | of discovery and knowledge.
        
           | drstewart wrote:
           | Can you explain how and why you think a documentary such as
           | Ken Burns' Civil War series, a seminal example of American
           | documentaries, is filled with action and conspiracies?
        
             | currymj wrote:
             | if you go to the "documentary" section on Netflix or
             | another streaming service, there are dozens and dozens of
             | really low-quality documentaries. Some are on conspiracy
             | topics (UFOs, ancient aliens) or stupid and sensationalist.
             | They all seem to treat the audience like they are not very
             | smart.
             | 
             | I think most were produced on small budgets to run during
             | the daytime on cable channels like History or Discovery,
             | and then sold to Netflix as well.
             | 
             | These could definitely give someone a bad impression of
             | what counts for documentary film in America, and in terms
             | of raw numbers there are way more of them than anything
             | else.
             | 
             | However, the documentaries produced for American public
             | television (like those of Ken Burns) tend to be very good.
             | And there are also high-quality American documentaries that
             | go on the festival circuit.
        
         | jerome-jh wrote:
         | There is this short weekly broadcast on french and german
         | cultures compared, with a light tone, that we never miss:
         | https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/RC-014034/karambolage/ Available
         | in french and german languages.
        
         | systemvoltage wrote:
         | Vimeo has amazing documentaries as well. Similar to Arte.
        
         | drak0n1c wrote:
         | NHK World is a similar website and app for phones and TV, but
         | for Japan (and occasionally other Asian countries). An immense
         | variety of culture, tourism, history, and food content. I
         | believe BBC and RT also have cultural documentaries (you can
         | ignore their news content).
        
         | afkqs wrote:
         | A great initiative in the media industry for sure. They have a
         | programme call Tracks that explores the underground culture
         | [1]. Very interesting
         | 
         | [1] https://www.youtube.com/user/TracksARTEde
        
           | tauntz wrote:
           | > They have a programme call Tracks that explores the
           | underground culture
           | 
           | I.. I thought that it's gonna be a Youtube channel about
           | people living.. underground. I should get some sleep.
        
           | jerome-jh wrote:
           | And currently a great series on "The civil war" - "La guerre
           | de secession" - "Der Amerikanische Burgerkrieg", mostly for
           | European watchers obviously. With plenty of photos and
           | citations from the time and just enough commentary as
           | necessary. Available in french and german.
           | https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/040864-001-A/la-guerre-de-
           | sece...
        
           | Kunix wrote:
           | Tracks is what made me discover the demoscene 20 years ago
           | when I was in secondary school. Such a great show.
        
         | nicbou wrote:
         | Arte has some amazing German and French documentaries on
         | YouTube. I believe they are not accessible everywhere, but if
         | you have access, it's worth a look.
        
         | scns wrote:
         | You can watch the series which inspired Homeland there in
         | french (Original) or german. No english subtitles though.
         | 
         | https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1676462/
         | 
         | https://www.arte.tv/de/videos/048080-001-A/hatufim-in-der-ha...
        
       | abledon wrote:
       | Qiita https://qiita.com/
       | 
       | its like a cool mixture of stack overflow + reddit + twitter ...
       | all in japanese
        
         | fomine3 wrote:
         | dev.to looks like equivalent to Qiita. Now zenn.dev is getting
         | popular in Japan instead of Qiita.
        
           | input_sh wrote:
           | Any cool monetization strategies on Qiita or Zenn? I know
           | dev.to is betting on Coil, so I'm curious if Japanese
           | developers have a method they're betting on.
        
             | fomine3 wrote:
             | Qiita has been acquired by game company Ateam 3 years ago.
             | Possibly it works for the company's advertisement. They
             | also selling collaboration SaaS called Qiita Team. I don't
             | see any their cool monetization.
             | 
             | Zenn has been trying to sell paid article for profit.
             | That's not so cool for tech perspective but it's looks good
             | for me if they succeeded. Zenn was operated by single
             | person but it has been acquired by IT(AWS) service company
             | Classmethod very recently. Maybe they also work for the
             | company's advertisement.
        
         | zinclozenge wrote:
         | It sometimes shows up when you're searching tech topics. I
         | actually found a series of blog posts that explained how to
         | write Erlang/Elixir NIFs in Rust with Rustler.
        
         | Seb-C wrote:
         | Yes, it's everywhere when you search technical topics in Japan.
        
         | fromaj wrote:
         | I can understand a fair bit of japanese and posts on Qiita have
         | often been life-savers. They have quite a few medium-like long
         | posts where people describe how to do something specific
         | through a tutorial or step-by-step explanation.
         | StackOverflow/Reddit aren't really great for that
        
       | guerrilla wrote:
       | While we're doing this, I should point out that every European
       | country has their own public television, radio and news site like
       | NPR/PBS or the BBC. You can easily find them via Wikipedia but
       | I'll list a couple:
       | 
       | - Germany: ARD, ZDF, DW, Deutschlandfunk
       | 
       | - France: France.TV, RadioFrance
       | 
       | - Spain: RTVE
       | 
       | - Portugal: RTP
       | 
       | - Italy: RAI
       | 
       | - Switzerland: RTS, SRF, RSI, RSR
       | 
       | - Sweden: SR, SVT
       | 
       | - Denmark: DR
       | 
       | - Norway: NRK
       | 
       | They all have websites that are pretty easy to find and although
       | some content is region restricted, a lot is not.
        
         | Arete314159 wrote:
         | Alas, RTVE no longer lets you watch Ministerio Del Tiempo
         | episodes for free (sort of like a Spanish Dr. Who time travel
         | show).
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | hattori31 wrote:
       | famitsu.com
       | 
       | Japanese site for game news. Every new and upcoming game is in
       | the list, very good to see whata coming
        
       | walrus01 wrote:
       | news of the weirdest electronic gadgets for sale in japan. google
       | chrome and automatic translate do a reasonably good job on the
       | page. it's related to the retail stores in the akihabara district
       | of tokyo.
       | 
       | https://akiba-pc.watch.impress.co.jp/
       | 
       | also its parent site PC watch
       | 
       | https://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/
        
         | fomine3 wrote:
         | Similar website: https://www.gdm.or.jp/
         | 
         | They also posts new PC parts rumors relatively early.
        
         | Answerawake wrote:
         | Thank you for posting! What a nifty little site showing off
         | things I didn't even know I wanted!
         | 
         | Small selection of things that I found interesting:
         | 
         | 1. Turn your old Dreamcast VMU into a modern game console:
         | Would never have thought of it but in hindsight its the perfect
         | device to mod given its form factor! https://akiba-
         | pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/news/1306197....
         | 
         | 2. Combine a Raspberry pi with a Famicom cartridge to provide
         | the Famicom the ability to run DOOM. Given all the other
         | Famicom related releases listed there, its amazing to see the
         | Famicon still alive and kicking. Wonder how the N64 scene is
         | like over there. https://akiba-
         | pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/news/1297530....
         | 
         | 3. IPS Screen mod for Wonderswan (granted we have seen lots of
         | IPS mods so this one for Wonderswan makes sense given its
         | Japan)
         | 
         | The story about Akihabara stores being vacant seems sad though.
         | Even they cannot escape COVID/the future of shopping being
         | online it seems.
        
       | known wrote:
       | Examples of Chinese equivalents to Western internet services[
       | 
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_China#E...
        
       | SenHeng wrote:
       | 5ch.net
       | 
       |  _The_ Japanese anonymous forum that inspired 4chan. It actually
       | started of as 2 channel but various business and legal disputes
       | happened.
        
       | tayo42 wrote:
       | Tabelog lead to some amazing dinners in Japan.
        
       | Ueland wrote:
       | A Norwegian web-store is famous for its "design" and is being
       | showcased in all kinds of design talks and presentations. (Of
       | course in the "How not to do it" category)
       | 
       | http://arngren.net/
        
       | aGRa_kursk wrote:
       | Runet (Russian-speaking part of Internet) has LOTS of it. We have
       | HN equivalent (habr.com). We have RSDN (rsdn.org), which is
       | somewhat like StackOverflow, but in Russian.
       | 
       | Social networks largely unknown outside of Russia? We have'em
       | (vk.com, ok.ru). Reddit equivalent? See pikabu.ru. IMDB? See
       | kinopoisk.ru.
       | 
       | There's a Russian browser (Yandex.Browser), Russian map service
       | (Yandex.maps), tons of Russian e-mail, hosting and cloud
       | services, Russian Spotify (Yandex.Music), Russian Netflix
       | (several of them, actually), Russian Uber (Yandex.Taxi, which
       | actually owns Russian Uber).
       | 
       | You'll see lots of Yandex services here, it's sort of Russian
       | Google (except it predates Google by a year or so). Yandex's
       | primary business is search and advertising, but just like Google,
       | they diversify a lot. And even in primary area, they sometimes
       | manage to beat Google. Yandex's reverse image search (when you
       | upload the image to search for similar ones) is FAR superior to
       | Google's.
       | 
       | And there's a lot of unique Russian content on global sites like
       | Facebook, Livejournal (owned by a Russian company nowadays) or
       | Wikipedia.
        
         | BlueGh0st wrote:
         | I can vouch for Yandex's reverse image search. It blows
         | Google's out of the water. I think regular image search is
         | typically better too, depending on what your needs are (Google
         | seems to prefer stock imagery which can be frustrating).
        
         | 082349872349872 wrote:
         | Maybe helpful when browsing extra-anglosphere sites:
         | translate.yandex both has much more liberal length limits than
         | GOOG translate and makes it easy to look up alternative
         | translations for individual words.
        
         | ACS_Solver wrote:
         | Habr is great. I don't visit other Runet sites often, but read
         | Habr regularly - it's part HN, part Slashdot, with great
         | original content.
         | 
         | The Russian Internet seems to be an overall great place to find
         | information on old devices, old software, and the like.
         | http://sht-rajvo.narod.ru/index.htm is a retro-looking site
         | about retrocomputing, it has many articles from computer
         | magazines circa 1990. Also worth noting that due to Russia's
         | traditionally "relaxed view on copyright" it's not hard to
         | stumble upon a site that has direct download links to e.g.
         | versions of MS-DOS or Windows 3.1.
        
         | FridgeSeal wrote:
         | Yandex is responsible for developing and maintaining my
         | favourite columnar database: ClickHouse. It's one of those
         | pieces of software where everything I use it go "wow this is
         | fast".
        
         | LordNight wrote:
         | Besides yandex there are also rambler.ru (less popular, but
         | even older) and mail.ru
         | 
         | dic.academic.ru allows you to search through several dozens
         | encyclopedias. And bigenc.ru adds onother one (the largest and
         | the most recent).
         | 
         | fantlab.ru is the best site dedicated to sci fi/fantasy
         | literature (it is IMO 10 times better than goodreads or
         | librarything). There are also a lot of site dedicated to
         | literature like proza.ru lib.ru litres.ru feb-web.ru
         | www.obshelit.su etc.
         | 
         | Besides habr, forum.ru-board.com ixbt.com cyberforum.ru
         | overclockers.ru 3dnews.ru are very popular sites dedicated to
         | hardware/software/coding.
         | 
         | There are a lot of sited about video games like old-games.ru
         | goha.ru stopgame.ru riotpixels.com as well as a streaming
         | platforms like goodgame.ru
         | 
         | rutube.ru exists for many years now but it's crap.
         | 
         | There are several sites dedicated to popular science like
         | elementy.ru arhe.msk.ru gramota.ru histrf.ru
         | 
         | www.intoclassics.net and www.classicalmusicnews.ru are popular
         | for those interested in classical music. www.darkside.ru and
         | rock.ru for rock music.
         | 
         | forum.awd.ru and otzyv.ru are popular travel sites.
         | 
         | There several general purpose forums like forum.rcmir.com
         | www.e1.ru/talk/forum/ In general, classic forums are still very
         | much alive in runet (hell, even LJ is still alive) and there
         | are a lot of niche forums you could visit.
         | 
         | There are more than 100 news sites, but the quality is quite
         | average (like everywhere else). meduza.io ria.ru rbc.ru tass.ru
         | inosmi.ru for example. sports.ru and championat.ru for sport-
         | related news.
         | 
         | ozon.ru is now a russian version of amazon.
         | 
         | And obviously there are a lot of pirate sites from rutracker to
         | flibusta to libgen.
        
         | MichaelMoser123 wrote:
         | i like anekdot.ru - they have a pretty solid community, and the
         | jokes are really funny (sometimes).
        
       | luplex wrote:
       | https://wiki.selfhtml.org/ (German) is where I learnt the basics
       | of web development in high school. I'm not sure how up to date it
       | is, though.
        
       | BugsJustFindMe wrote:
       | The French national library has quite an extensive digital
       | collection. https://gallica.bnf.fr/
        
         | lefrancais wrote:
         | Wow, just discovered that! thanks it is awesome. I finally
         | found illustrated version of Les trois mousquetaires and Jules
         | Vernes in epub for free !
        
       | logicchains wrote:
       | Yandex! It's like Russian Google, but the results (or at least
       | the English-language results) are more algorithmic, without human
       | intervention in the rankings.
        
       | yread wrote:
       | https://mapy.cz/
       | 
       | Google maps alternative with great tourist maps (also has a layer
       | for cross-country skiing) and an app with offline maps
        
         | simonmales wrote:
         | As a non Czech I assumed it was a nice layer on top of OSM
         | tiles, but the outdoor trails are truly high quality.
         | 
         | Only have managed to fault it once whilst trying to decide how
         | to descend a mountain in Slovenia.
        
           | exyi wrote:
           | Yes, outside Czechia and Slovakia they use data from Open
           | Street Maps.
        
         | sajagi wrote:
         | Best worldwide outdoor map there is, with offline support. I
         | use it very often to find trails not even locals know about
         | (e.g. Japan). Don't forget to switch to Outdoor mode!
        
       | mehrzad wrote:
       | Not a website, and this may be obvious, but if you are doing
       | research on Wikipedia on a topic from a non-English speaking
       | country, sometimes that nation's language features a longer and
       | more in depth article. I am currently learning German and have
       | noticed this with regard to articles regarding universities in
       | Germany.
        
         | singularity2001 wrote:
         | this is a great recommendation also for scientific topics:
         | 
         | Often when I am really interested in something I read the
         | article and four different languages, because most often each
         | language offers different aspects and images.
         | 
         | also it's a great way to learn languages.
        
       | fy20 wrote:
       | There's a home automation protocol that's been around for over 20
       | years called KNX. It's backed by big names (ABB, Hager, Gira,
       | Osram, Mean Well) however outside of Germany it's pretty much
       | unknown. Compared to ZigBee or Z-Wave it's wired and the config
       | is stored in the devices themselves, so there's no single point
       | of failure. It has strict certification requirements so you can
       | be guaranteed that products from different manufacturers will
       | work together (this does mean its more expensive though). The
       | quality of the hardware (esp. motion/presence sensors) is a lot
       | better than what you can buy from Amazon or the 'smart home'
       | section in your local Walmart.
       | 
       | There's plenty of content (in German) on YouTube about it, and
       | forums:
       | 
       | https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCiCPbFz0Ld6mera2fNDRWzw
       | 
       | https://knx-user-forum.de/
        
         | thecleaner wrote:
         | Germany really needs to start documenting their work in
         | English. This is good stuff.
        
           | jxf wrote:
           | Or more people need to learn German? The community is already
           | there, obviously -- if others want to join, that's how they
           | do it.
        
             | bloqs wrote:
             | After many attempts to speak german with germans, it seems
             | to be a consistent theme that they prefer english if you
             | are incompetent.
        
             | d26900 wrote:
             | Not everyone has the time to learn yet another language.
             | Besides, learning a language to understand content like
             | this takes a lot of time. (I speak 4 languages already.)
        
             | qntty wrote:
             | Have you ever tried to communicate in
             | beginner/intermediate-level German with a German speaker?
             | They'd most likely insist on switching to English.
        
           | enchiridion wrote:
           | A lot of negative replies to this which don't make sense.
           | 
           | We're talking about software which is used to make money.
           | Translating it to English would help with that, because
           | English is the default for software development (yes this is
           | changing, but it's true at the moment).
           | 
           | It's not like we're talking about a work of art, it's a tool
           | the creators sell.
        
             | thecleaner wrote:
             | I mean I said this out of appreciation. I suppose its just
             | much easier to not get involved with the German software
             | ecosystem at all since the impression is that they dont
             | need attention from people who don't speak German. I don't
             | see any reason why more people would have a professional
             | reason to do so.
        
           | pestatije wrote:
           | So, the OP asks about non-english sites, and the _first_
           | reply is a "you should do that in English". WTF?
        
             | thecleaner wrote:
             | It says software out of Anglosphere not software not in
             | English.
        
           | kreeben wrote:
           | Germany is fine with you not being able to ingest their
           | documentation. If there is ever a need to do anything it
           | would be the need for you to learn German and the need for
           | anyone monolingual to learn a second language. The more
           | balance in the world the better place it would be.
        
             | benhurmarcel wrote:
             | I agree with your point on principle, but to balance a bit:
             | I'm trilingual but don't (yet) speak German. Yes there's no
             | fair reason why English should be the standard language,
             | but there's value in a standard language and that's the
             | closest we have.
             | 
             | Edit: I'm not American and English isn't my native language
        
               | d26900 wrote:
               | Authors addendum: This post was a mistake on my part.
               | Please downvote this post. Thank you! I would rather have
               | a retract option, but there is none here on HN.
               | 
               | Original post:
               | 
               | Apologies to you on behalf of people who made you feel
               | uncomfortable.
               | 
               | Full disclosure:
               | 
               | I had (still have?) negative
               | biases/sentiments/stereotypes towards Americans: being
               | ignorant, self-absorbed, reckless, careless etc.
               | 
               | And this almost made me have a knee-jerk reaction to the
               | expressed desire to make the content in question
               | available in English. As if I am tired of you Americans
               | Americanizing everything you touch[2]. This sentiment is
               | also expressed in Ramstein's song "Amerika"[3].
               | 
               | But that's why it is called a "stereotype". I shouldn't
               | stereotype a population of +300 m out of a small sample
               | size (that includes YouTube/Twitter too). I lose a lot of
               | potential good/bad experiences if I continue to do that.
               | And even if, for the sake of the argument, 90% match my
               | silly stereotype, I still should have an optimistic modus
               | operandi. Pessimism/cynicism is a counterproductive
               | trait. You should be an optimist[1].
               | 
               | But putting all that aside, what makes you think that the
               | inquirer is an American? He could be a French person
               | knowing Japanese and Russian besides English.
               | 
               | Anyhow, we shouldn't follow protectionist policies.
               | Nothing good comes out of that. We should be
               | thankful/appreciative to people who are willing to share
               | content with others (open source, creative commons,
               | etc.).
               | 
               | References:
               | 
               | [1] Algorithms to Live By
               | 
               | [2]
               | https://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2021/01/04/report-
               | plays...
               | 
               | [3] https://youtu.be/Rr8ljRgcJNM
               | 
               | Edit: for the people who take issue with my post here: I
               | would appreciate a feedback on why my post is
               | counterproductive/bad. Thank you!
        
               | benhurmarcel wrote:
               | I am not sure you meant to answer to my comment, because
               | I didn't mention feeling uncomfortable, and didn't take
               | any guess about anyone's nationality. Also I'm not
               | American, I edited my comment to clear that up.
        
               | d26900 wrote:
               | You're right, benhurmarcel. My input here has come to
               | nothing, and it wasn't a good input to begin with. I wish
               | there was a retract option.
        
               | kreeben wrote:
               | I empathize with you. But I reject that it should fall
               | upon Germany to learn English for your convenience or
               | that the task of translating their texts should fall upon
               | them. I guess I reacted (perhaps poorly) to GP's
               | statement that Germany "really should start documenting
               | their tech in English" which to me sounded rather
               | preposterous.
        
               | sneak wrote:
               | Germany already learned English. There is approximately
               | no-one in Germany under 30-40 who doesn't speak a little
               | English.
        
           | tubularhells wrote:
           | Learn German, Dummkopf!
        
             | lobotryas wrote:
             | We beat them in 1945 just so we didn't have to do that!
        
               | dang wrote:
               | Oh god, please don't do this here.
        
       | terramex wrote:
       | In Poland there is elektroda.pl - forum about electronics,
       | electrics and programming. Is was founded in 1999 and has over 2
       | 500 000 registered accounts.
       | 
       | It is a bit like polish StackOverflow - every time you google a
       | technical problem in polish you will find an elektroda.pl thread
       | on very top. And just like on SO, it will usually be closed by
       | moderator for some bizarre and arcane reason.
       | 
       | It certainly has 'old-usenet' vibe, both the good parts (huge
       | amount of knowledge) and the bad (pretty toxic behaviour of many
       | power users and moderators).
        
         | [deleted]
        
       | d26900 wrote:
       | I. C++ (related) forums from Germany and Japan that I've found
       | (so far):
       | 
       | - https://www.c-plusplus.net/
       | 
       | - https://dixq.net/
       | 
       | II. Quality YouTube channels from Germany:
       | 
       | - https://www.youtube.com/c/MrWissen2go/videos
       | 
       | Explains societal/political/historical topics (in a neutral
       | manner) to laypeople.
       | 
       | - https://www.youtube.com/c/maiLab/videos
       | 
       | Explains science topics (chemistry, biology, studies) to
       | laypeople.
       | 
       | III. Quality YouTube channels from Japan:
       | 
       | - https://www.youtube.com/c/atelierateruimath/videos
       | 
       | Math professor teaching linear algebra, analysis etc.
       | 
       | IV. Services from Germany
       | 
       | - https://www.mindfactory.de/
       | 
       | Computer hardware etc.
       | 
       | - web.de
       | 
       | For me the best European Dropbox alternative so far (Online-
       | Speicher).
       | 
       | V. Services from Japan
       | 
       | - https://fc2.com/
       | 
       | Website hosting etc.
       | 
       | - https://www.nicovideo.jp/
       | 
       | The Japanese YouTube basically.
       | 
       | - https://www.rakuten.co.jp/
       | 
       | The Japanese Amazon.
       | 
       | VI. Concluding Remarks & Miscellaneous
       | 
       | - Arte, Phoenix make good documentaries. (But these were already
       | mentioned by others.)
       | 
       | - https://www.schenker-tech.de/en/ - https://www.xmg.gg/en/
       | 
       | Laptops made/assembled in Germany.
       | 
       | - https://www.gigaset.com/hq_en/
       | 
       | Some smartphones are made in Germany.
       | 
       | - https://www.youtube.com/c/worldorder/videos
       | 
       | By Genki Sudo (Xu Teng  Yuan Qi ) former MMA fighter. He's now a
       | politician.
       | 
       | - Hiroshi Abe (A Bu  Kuan )
       | 
       | The Japanese Clint Eastwood.
       | 
       | - Kim Ki-duk
       | 
       | A Korean movie director that I happen to like.
       | 
       | PS: If I find/remember more interesting stuff from Japan and
       | Germany, I will update this post. :)
        
       | Seb-C wrote:
       | In French we used to have "le site du zero". It was a very
       | popular collaborative site with a ton of free courses for
       | beginners in (mostly) programming.
       | 
       | Today it feels that it just became a somewhat bland and nothing-
       | special corporate resource (OpenClassrooms), but it was once a
       | vibrant community with it's own identity:
       | 
       | http://web.archive.org/web/20120309143317/http://www.siteduz...
       | 
       | On a completely different topic, https://www.jeuxvideo.com/ have
       | long been (and still is) one of the most popular forums among
       | young people in France.
        
         | cedex12 wrote:
         | I feel like linuxfr.org also deserves a mention: had pretty
         | thorough articles on lots of subject, as far as I could judge
         | them (and knowledgeable members!).
        
         | benhurmarcel wrote:
         | Le Site du Zero is how I got started with programming back in
         | high school. That was a great site, it's a shame what happened
         | to it.
        
         | jerome-jh wrote:
         | https://www.fun-mooc.fr/
         | 
         | Online courses with a wide variety of topics. Took a number of
         | them unrelated to CS, unfortunately many are archived. There is
         | a very good introduction course to Chinese https://www.fun-
         | mooc.fr/courses/course-v1:Inalco+52004+sessi... with a session
         | this spring.
        
         | Davidbrcz wrote:
         | Check https://zestedesavoir.com
         | 
         | Made by former staff of Sdz, high quality, can't recommend
         | enough.
        
       | omnibrain wrote:
       | https://www.openrailwaymap.org/
       | 
       | A world wide map of rail tracks run by (german) rail enthusiasts.
        
         | tga wrote:
         | https://bahn.guru
         | 
         | Easy price calendar for (mostly) German trains.
        
         | isbvhodnvemrwvn wrote:
         | Surprisingly it also has some planned tram lines in Poland.
         | Quite neat.
        
           | jonp888 wrote:
           | It's 'just' OpenStreetMap rendered in a way that emphasizes
           | railway lines and exposes some of the metadata. So whilst the
           | site is german-run the data has no geographical bias.
        
       | emgo wrote:
       | Thinkerview:
       | https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQgWpmt02UtJkyO32HGUASQ
       | 
       | It's a French podcast covering a wide array of topics such as
       | geopolitics, journalism, big tech, industrial espionage, economic
       | warfare, etc.
       | 
       | I find it refreshing because the ideas and opinions discussed are
       | very different compared to those you'd find in the usual
       | anglophone media, and just that by itself is a ton of value.
        
       | NalNezumi wrote:
       | I would mention hitta.se from Sweden. Probably a privacy
       | nightmare to some, and very creepy to others.
       | 
       | On the page you can search peoples home address, phone number,
       | date of birth, _other members living in the same house_ , real
       | estate value, mortgage rate, all by searching their names. I
       | successfully once identified a parent of a owner of a lost
       | wallet, only containing a gym card with last name on it. Found
       | her phone number on the site, called her and gave her the wallet.
        
         | bashwizard wrote:
         | So I'm in infosec and I know a lot of americans and some of
         | them work with OSINT (Open Source Intelligence) and some things
         | that they spend hours on, a 10 year old kid can do in 5 minutes
         | here in sweden.
         | 
         | It's kind of hilarious.
        
         | adamfarhadi wrote:
         | Sweden is a privacy-minded individual's nightmare. There are a
         | bunch of other sites like Hitta as well. For example on Ratsit
         | you can pay a small amount of money and see anyone's salary and
         | full personnummer, which is similar to a social security number
         | in the US. If they live in an apartment you can see exactly
         | where in the building they live. Just as an example, when I was
         | visiting a friend for the first time I wasn't sure where in the
         | building he lived so I put his name into Ratsit and it said
         | "second floor, third door from the left". It also had his phone
         | number and other information about him as well, including other
         | individuals he lived with and the names of every person in his
         | building.
        
           | nemetroid wrote:
           | > full personnummer, which is similar to a social security
           | number in the US
           | 
           | It's similar in the sense that it's a unique number assigned
           | to each person, but the fact that it's publicly available
           | means that it cannot be used as authentication.
        
             | ptman wrote:
             | And SSN shouldn't be used as authentication either. It's
             | too easy to steal, too hard to change.
             | 
             | We have a similar issue with Finnish Personal Identity
             | Codes, which are legally public, but there are restrictions
             | related to their processing. Which leads to the common
             | misunderstanding that they're secret, so they're used for
             | authentication. It's a mess.
             | 
             | https://hetueiolesalasana.fi/en.html
        
         | matz1 wrote:
         | This should be the way. This eliminate the issue of information
         | leak/having to hide information, since its public anyway. Of
         | course it has it's own downside. So instead of focusing effort
         | on hiding the information, we should instead fix the issue that
         | arise from information being public.
        
         | mongol wrote:
         | Also Lexbase. See anyone that has been subject of a criminal
         | trial, on a map.
         | 
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexbase
        
         | sm4rk0 wrote:
         | Run a plate for any Swedish vehicle: https://biluppgifter.se/
         | 
         | Another privacy nightmare with complete vehicle history --
         | better than carvertical.com or vin-info.com
        
           | d26900 wrote:
           | Why is the EU so lenient with Sweden in that case?
        
         | ackbar03 wrote:
         | WOW. Is this a well known service/site in Sweden? In other
         | countries this would have been blown up into a huge privacy
         | issue. Assuming its not because its sort of underground, why do
         | you think it hasn't in Sweden? Genuinely curious
        
           | pelliphant wrote:
           | yes, it is well known. I just see it as a digital versin of
           | the phone book.
           | 
           | And there are even more extreme versions, like ratsit.se
           | 
           | where you can pay to get credit information on anyone.
           | 
           | Personally I think that what ratsit does is probably too far,
           | and maybe it shouldn't be legal.
           | 
           | But in general I like our "public information" system, that
           | lots of government information is available to every citizen,
           | I find the benefits of being able to check what the
           | government and those with power does (journalism would be way
           | harder without this), outweights the negatives.
        
             | nemetroid wrote:
             | It should be noted that when you buy credit information
             | from a site like Ratsit, the person being queried will
             | receive a notice to this effect, including the identity of
             | the person/business making the query.
        
             | Winterflow3r wrote:
             | You clearly have never been the target of abuse or a
             | stalker. Nothing less fun than when someone on a dating app
             | in Sweden messages you saying "I know exactly who you are"
             | and you know they can find out where you live in less than
             | five minutes. If it works for 90% of people in Sweden,
             | that's good but they should really make it easier to get
             | your information hidden. Phonebooks of old times only had
             | your number not your full address, the type of car you
             | drive, who is your sambo etc
        
           | NalNezumi wrote:
           | It's a well known site in Sweden. I remember using it at
           | least 10-13 years back. A quick Swedish googling found me a
           | dozens of sites offering similar services. One even offered
           | credit rating assessment at 1.5 dollar after the search.
           | 
           | I'm not well read on the issue but a lot of things are
           | digitalized in Sweden. It's a cashless society, where
           | everyone have a personal number that they can use for
           | government service & signing up for phone contracts. The tax
           | institute (like USA:s IRS) sends their deductions out
           | digitally, and AFAIK they have a very open API a lot of
           | digital services in Sweden use for online identification of a
           | private person. So I assume those pages probably use the tax-
           | institutes API for personal information, and then other APIs
           | (such as real-estate portals) to tie information together.
        
             | airhead969 wrote:
             | So, the government knows every purchase they make, tracks
             | everything they do, and can take it all away whenever it
             | wants? No thanks. And what about homeless and old people,
             | are they disenfranchised too? A cashless society controlled
             | by a government or a corporation means a powerless society.
             | 
             | Norway has had similar tax return approval by text
             | messaging for almost 20 years.
        
               | altacc wrote:
               | I don't know what your percention of Norway is, but
               | having moved around a bit and currently being based here,
               | I see that Scandinavians have a different relationship
               | with governments and corporations than in many other
               | countries. For a start, it's not primarily seen as an
               | adversarial relationship. It's more of the people, for
               | the people. Not perfect, but Scandinavian societies rely
               | on a high level of trust and it works, for now. There's
               | been an increase in data protection recently, which I
               | think is needed as it's a bit too transparent at times.
               | 
               | The government doesn't know about every purchase you make
               | but there is a lot of data sharing. However there is a
               | lot more consumer protection and less power lies with
               | unaccountable corporations than in many other capitalist
               | countries, where corporations have almost free reign and
               | have powerful influence over society, economy & politic.
               | For example, credit scoring is relatively new here and is
               | a lot less intense than other countries. In places like
               | the UK/USA, credit scoring companies control your
               | financial possibilities. Much less so in Scandinavia.
               | 
               | There is a small number of people for whom a cashless
               | society poses problems, but it's probably less, and a
               | different subset, than you think. Those I know of through
               | association tend to be those who suffer severe mental
               | health issues. Old people have bank accounts, debit cards
               | and mobile phones for digital transactions. As for
               | homeless people, there are less of them in Scandinavia
               | than in other countries. Almost all of them will still
               | have a bank account and a mobile phone and be receiving
               | state funds digitally. (Homelessness is not defined as
               | living on the street, almost all the homeless are in
               | temporary housing.)
        
               | Moru wrote:
               | Besides, you still can pay with real money in most
               | places, you just have to choose the right line at the
               | exit. Not all of them take cash. For us that has no
               | problems, card is so much easier to use but there are a
               | lot of people that can't handle the tech and they should
               | be able to buy things too.
               | 
               | All this is marketed as better for crime prevention, less
               | bank/store robbery. Ofcourse this only pushes the cost on
               | the individual in the end though. If you can't rob the
               | store, you can still find valuables in private houses
               | with much lower security. Or just stop any youth on the
               | street. Chances are they have an expensive phone if
               | nothing else.
        
               | altacc wrote:
               | Good point, I should have mentioned that cash is still
               | accepted almost everywhere.
               | 
               | I think the crime thing might not be a direct link, as a
               | bank robber and an opportunistic street thief are
               | probably different people. There is less opportunistic
               | crime than elsewhere as a big driver of crime is people's
               | situation which, in general, aren't bad enough to resort
               | to crime. I'm still unnerved by the lax security
               | everywhere, e.g. the tiny bolts and padlocks in common
               | storage areas in apartment blocks, which are an
               | increasing target for thieves as they are easy pickings.
               | 
               | Another benefit is BankID, which makes fraud & identity
               | theft is a lot more difficult as there is an easy and
               | secure way of identifying yourself online. Even with
               | somebody's ID number you can't impersonate them in most
               | situations. This is something I've really appreciated
               | working in the finance industry. The old way of calling
               | up and accepting people's identity purely on trust never
               | sat well with my non-Scandinavian mind.
        
               | Moru wrote:
               | On the other hand, BankID has really taken of as the main
               | fraud avenue. It's so much easier to just look someone
               | up, punch in their personal number, start a log in to the
               | bank and then call them up saying someone is trying to
               | steal their money, they need to stop it by verifying
               | their identity with BankID. This instead logs the
               | attacker in to the bank with full access. Now you just
               | need to start a transfer to your bank account and tell
               | them the ID failed, try again. Money is yours, now just
               | make it jump between a few more temporary accounts and
               | let your friend take out the cash at the ATM.
        
               | [deleted]
        
               | llampx wrote:
               | What makes you think other governments don't have that
               | kind of information or can easily access it from their
               | friends in bigcorp Inc?
        
           | adventured wrote:
           | As crime perpetually gets worse in Sweden in the coming
           | decades, it's practically a guarantee their culture will
           | change when it comes to tolerating such privacy violations.
           | They'll begin to lock down formerly open aspects of their
           | culture.
        
             | gspr wrote:
             | Oh god, you're one of _those_ people.
        
           | staticelf wrote:
           | It is well known and no one in Sweden seems to give a shit
           | which boggles my mind as a Swede. Anyway, it was nice but it
           | has only worked well beucause of Swedens low crime rate
           | historically.
           | 
           | Now, with increasing criminality due to mass immigration
           | there is only a question of time until these services becomes
           | illegal I think.
           | 
           | I have personally been subjected to a stalker, so it will be
           | nice when these services disappear for me personally but I
           | honestly think the utility of them are great. If you find a
           | wallet for example, you can easily find this person and call
           | them due to these services. But for now, the only way to be
           | truly anonymous in Sweden is to get a protected identity
           | which is pretty much impossible to get or to buy some land
           | and switch your home address to that place. People can still
           | get all the properties you own with your "Personnummer"
           | (social security number) but it is harder, less known, takes
           | more time etc.
        
           | Moru wrote:
           | It's not even the only one, there is a bunch of them that
           | gives different levels of information. Partly because the
           | equivalent of social security numbers are public information
           | in Sweden.
           | 
           | There are apps for Eniro and Hitta that could tell you if an
           | incoming call is from a known callcenter for example. Not
           | sure they still work after google tightened up security.
           | 
           | I'm always amazed I can't find someones phone number outside
           | Sweden when I need one. Here it's just a few clicks away.
           | Sure you can ask to be removed from their register but most
           | wants to be there.
        
           | Barrin92 wrote:
           | tax returns themselves are public in sweden and you can
           | literally find out what anyone has paid in taxes by
           | contacting the authorities.
           | 
           | Sweden has a different attitude to this kind of information
           | that is fundamentally more about transparency than privacy,
           | so it's not perceived as an issue.
        
         | guerrilla wrote:
         | Is there any way to get taken off these sites?
        
       | luplex wrote:
       | I'm a big fan of werstreamt.es (German), which is a simple search
       | engine for all streaming services.
        
       | twobitshifter wrote:
       | https://pantip.com/ Thai Reddit / Wikipedia / answers.com.
       | 
       | It's a massive forum with an area for almost any topic.
        
       | geza wrote:
       | Sites and apps in Chinese:
       | 
       | Baidu Wangpan (Bai Du Wang Pan ): file-sync service like Dropbox,
       | but gives you 2TB (terrabytes!) of free storage
       | 
       | Tengxun Ketang (Teng Xun Ke Tang ): similar to edX/coursera, they
       | have a lot of free courses on programming, machine learning, and
       | technical topics
       | 
       | Wanmen Daxue (Mo Men Da Xue ): similar to edX/coursera, they have
       | a lot of free foreign language classes and lectures on
       | economics/social sciences
       | 
       | HKGolden (Xiang Gang Gao Deng ): Hong Kong forum on tech and
       | software, similar to reddit
       | 
       | Huxiu (Hu Xiu ): tech news site
       | 
       | Toutiao Xinwen (Tou Tiao Xin Wen ): news aggregator site, has
       | categories and comments
       | 
       | Zhihu (Zhi Hu ): QA platform, similar to Quora
       | 
       | Zhihu Zhuanlan (Zhi Hu Zhuan Lan ): blogging platform, similar to
       | Medium
       | 
       | Ximalaya FM (Xi Ma La Ya  FM): podcasts app
       | 
       | Duokan (Duo Kan ): ebooks app similar to Kindle
       | 
       | Douyin (Dou Yin ): Chinese version of Tiktok
       | 
       | iQiyi (Ai Qi Yi ): video site with tons of movies and dramas
       | 
       | JD (Jing Dong ): amazon-like marketplace with same-day delivery
       | 
       | Taobao (Tao Bao ): ebay-like peer-to-peer marketplace
       | 
       | Weibo (Xin Lang Wei Bo ): microblogging site like Twitter
       | 
       | Zhifubao (Zhi Fu Bao ): peer-to-peer payments app that works by
       | scanning QR codes, very widely accepted in China
       | 
       | Wechat (Wei Xin ): messaging app that also has tons of micro-apps
       | and payment functionality built in
        
         | bloqs wrote:
         | > Douyin (Dou Yin ): Chinese version of Tiktok
         | 
         | Tiktok is literally chinese??
        
           | notafraudster wrote:
           | Tiktok, the app, is made by the same Chinese firm that makes
           | Douyin, but it is maintained separately and not available in
           | China. The content is entirely separate.
           | 
           | It is not uncommon that Chinese firms have separate, parallel
           | versions of their applications within / outside China.
           | 
           | So it is accurate to say that Douyin is a Chinese (meaning,
           | available in China; not meaning made by a Chinese company)
           | version of Tiktok.
        
         | TeeMassive wrote:
         | Nice try CCP
        
         | samwestdev wrote:
         | how does the p2p payment app work? No middle man?
        
           | geza wrote:
           | Ah I meant P2P in the "from user to user with no transaction
           | fees charged, doesn't go through Visa/Mastercard/Unionpay"
           | sense (similar to Venmo, except that in China businesses
           | accept it everywhere), not in the "fully decentralized and
           | doesn't need a server" sense. For Zhifubao the servers are
           | run by Ant Financial (it's a spin-off company of Alibaba),
           | for WeChat the servers are run by Tencent. You can
           | deposit/withdraw money to your bank account.
           | 
           | I'm assuming you're probably more interested in the new
           | digital RMB wallet technology which supposedly works even if
           | your phone doesn't have internet access, but I'm not familiar
           | with how that is implemented (I'm guessing it uses blockchain
           | and broadcasts the transactions later when you connect to the
           | internet). There's some info about it at
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renminbi#Digital_Renminbi
        
             | _-___________-_ wrote:
             | Zhifubao is better known as Alipay outside of China.
        
         | yorwba wrote:
         | Let me add a few more:
         | 
         | Bilibili Manhua (Bi Li Bi Li Man Hua ): webcomic site adjacent
         | to the Bilibili video platform https://manga.bilibili.com/
         | 
         | Qidian (Qi Dian ): webnovels https://qidian.com/
         | 
         | Zhanse Nileyuan (Zhan Se Ni Le Yuan ): discussion forum
         | attached to another webnovel site with female-skewing
         | readership, maybe slightly similar to r/twoXchromosomes
         | https://bbs.jjwxc.net/board.php?board=20&page=1
         | 
         | SegmentFault: StackOverflow-like
         | https://segmentfault.com/questions
         | 
         | V2EX: the closest thing to HN, except more like a traditional
         | forum https://v2ex.com/
        
         | rahimnathwani wrote:
         | Nice list :)
         | 
         | A few things to add about some of the items:
         | 
         | - Baidu Wangpan's sharing model is more like the file locker
         | sites of the early 00s: when you share a file or folder, the
         | recipient gets a 'copy'. It's not like Dropbox where you
         | collaborate and sync changes with each other.
         | 
         | - Baidu wangpan can download torrents server-side.
         | 
         | - Toutiao is by Bytedance, which readers here will know for
         | their popular Tiktok product.
         | 
         | - Readers here may know Tengxun by its international name
         | Tencent
         | 
         | - Zhifubao's English name is Alipay.
         | 
         | - Taobao is more than a peer-to-peer marketplace. I'd guess
         | that over 50% of e-commerce goods purchases in China (by
         | volume, not value) are via Taobao/Tmall. There are many 'mom
         | and pop' stores, but also many with 10s of employees.
         | 
         | - Tingting FM is another good one for audio content. e.g. it
         | has Peppa Pig episodes in Mandarin, and each episode has some
         | commentary at the end explaining the key lessons from the
         | story. (You can watch Peppa Pig in Mandarin on YouTube for
         | free, but there's no commentary at the end.)
        
       | _a1_ wrote:
       | https://www.wykop.pl is probably the biggest Polish site that
       | gathers best experts from most of the industries, to provide
       | comments on the newest political, religious, science and
       | engineering news from all around the world. The comments posted
       | by users of wykop.pl are often cited in other sites.
       | 
       | ...at least that's what everyone on this site would like to
       | think. In reality, it's just a digg.com clone, before it started
       | to suck ;)
       | 
       | (even name is a reference to digg, 'wykop' means 'a dig site', or
       | 'to dig')
        
         | tester34 wrote:
         | This page is terrible, heavily biased and almost all
         | discussions that occur there are fundamentally flawed due to
         | basics of basics of logical fallacies.
         | 
         | It's one of those websites that makes you lose faith in people
         | e.g when you read popular takes about Bill Gates and COVID
         | related stuff, it's pretty sad.
         | 
         | I bet that just reading titles from the front page for a 3
         | months would affect your happines cuz majority of headlines
         | there are sad stories, provocative titles about politics,
         | religion, men and women relations with heavy biass towards one
         | side, generally a lot of junk
         | 
         | It's sad that this is one of the biggest ""discussion""
         | happening sites in the Polish internet.
        
           | RicoElectrico wrote:
           | > This page is terrible, heavily biased and almost all
           | discussions that occur there are fundamentally flawed due to
           | basics of basics of logical fallacies.
           | 
           | Agree but only partially, you just have not to browse the
           | front page and Wykopalisko (= queue on Digg) - this is where
           | tinfoil hatters, right-wing nutjobs and paid trolls thrive.
           | 
           | The _sine qua non_ of browsing wykop.pl and retaining sanity
           | is
           | 
           | - blacklist tags (like #polityka #przegryw #patostreamy)
           | 
           | - browse only Mikroblog (no frontpage, no Wykopalisko).
           | 
           | - use uBlock or a third-party mobile app
           | 
           | I stand with the GP that wykop.pl is one of the best places
           | to ask for advice on hobby and such. Why? It's less
           | circlejerk-y than specialized forums and people absolutely
           | _hate_ paid shills here. And there are almost no  "Facebook
           | mom" type of people. It's also good for local news / local
           | questions, as hashtags of most cities have quite a lot of
           | followers. Ah, and on Mikroblog the OP can delete comments on
           | their posts, which comes in handy if someone is getting
           | nasty.
           | 
           | The only comparable stuff would be the loosely defined
           | "sekcje JBWA" ("Jak bedzie w ...") groups on Facebook, but
           | many of these groups have overzealous admins who ban people
           | breaking rules, but with no subtlety (I mean, if someone is
           | polite, posts higher-effort content and the infraction is
           | minor, a mute would suffice)
        
       | crazypython wrote:
       | Yandex Images - https://yandex.com/images/ It's much, much better
       | than Google Images. The only Western equivalent that comes close
       | is DuckDuckGo Images.
        
       | PaulHoule wrote:
       | https://www.mercadolibre.com.mx/
       | 
       | is ebay but cooler and from Latino America.
        
         | unhammer wrote:
         | Norway has finn.no, though perhaps more like craigslist (get
         | rid of old couch, find cheap exercise bike, get job, sell
         | house, etc.)
        
         | m-chrzan wrote:
         | What makes it cooler?
        
           | riledhel wrote:
           | MercadoPago is the payment gatewat and it's amazing. They
           | take care of delivery/logistics like Amazon and it's fast and
           | works in remote places too.
        
             | notdang wrote:
             | To be fair, they launched the nice things after Amazon
             | opened in Mexico and got the whole market. Before that they
             | could not be bothered.
        
       | ashwanidausodia wrote:
       | http://e-maxx.ru/algo I used to study competitive programming
       | algorithms from there with Google translate
       | 
       | Edit: It seems somebody translated it to English https://cp-
       | algorithms.com/
        
       | timka wrote:
       | http://rutracker.org -- a torrent tracker
        
       | mooreed wrote:
       | Great question. +1 for my interest too.
        
       | smsm42 wrote:
       | https://habr.com/ (Russian) has some good articles, some
       | translated, some original.
        
       | lovelearning wrote:
       | I found DW's YouTube channels to be good resources to learn about
       | cultures, societies, current affairs and geopolitics from around
       | the world. Auto-generated subtitles for their non-English
       | channels are good enough to understand what is being conveyed.
       | 
       | [1] : https://www.youtube.com/user/deutschewelle
       | 
       | [2] : their other channels are listed at the bottom of [1].
        
         | mongol wrote:
         | Lots of content in English as well
         | 
         | https://youtube.com/c/dwnews
        
       | BlueGh0st wrote:
       | For some reason, the Russian web seems to rehost old
       | drivers/software and such indefinitely without all the malicious
       | spam you normally find in Google.
       | 
       | That led me to Kazus Electronic Portal[0] which seems to have
       | just about every hardware-related piece of information you could
       | need. Including an obscure serial driver from 2005 that I
       | couldn't find elsewhere.
       | 
       | [0] http://kazus.ru/
        
       | underyx wrote:
       | This is probably not what you're looking for, but I recently
       | found this dump of Hungarian tech/gaming magazine scans dating
       | back to the late 80's, and I've been looking for an excuse to
       | share it further: https://retroujsag.com/
        
         | BugWatch wrote:
         | Try mentioning it on reddit.com/r/DataHoarder, someone might be
         | interested.
        
       | throwaway9d0291 wrote:
       | Deepl [0] is available in English but doesn't seem well-known
       | outside of the non-Anglophone Western European countries. It's
       | essentially Google Translate but generally has better quality
       | translations for the languages it supports.
       | 
       | [0]: https://www.deepl.com
        
         | mimagic wrote:
         | I find deepl better than Google translate for some languages
         | now. Just the fact that you can change some specific words in
         | the translated text is a game changer for me
        
         | shaydwyrm wrote:
         | Deepl was an incredible tool when I was struggling though my
         | first full length novel in Spanish. It gave much more lucid and
         | nuanced translations than any other automated translation tool
         | I tried.
        
       | 101008 wrote:
       | Looking for reverse copycat? Just kidding.
       | 
       | Taringa used to be the Reddit in Spanish (well, at least for
       | South America), with really interesting content. Microsiervos.com
       | was probably the best tech/curiosities blog in Spanish, and a few
       | days ago I visited and it is still active (from 2006 I think).
        
       | sm4rk0 wrote:
       | Serbian news aggregator/search engine:
       | 
       | https://naslovi.net/
       | 
       | Its name is "Headlines" in Serbian.
        
       | Amin3456 wrote:
       | How to Take Care of Betta Fish
       | 
       | https://bit.ly/2Zqahul
        
       | 12ian34 wrote:
       | The most accurate rain/snow/wind forecaster I've ever used:
       | https://www.buienradar.nl/
        
       | jaflo wrote:
       | If anyone has a site similar to Reddit or HN in German I would be
       | interested. Anything with interesting discussion really.
        
         | 4cao wrote:
         | Someone will probably come up with a better answer but you can
         | check out https://www.heise.de/forum/ for tech news.
        
           | [deleted]
        
           | omnibrain wrote:
           | The heise forum sadly has been a cesspit of trolls for a long
           | time. In the last 5 years it got even worse because some of
           | the conspiracist and nazi trolls from the Telepolis forum
           | came over to the tech forums an I think heise don't know how
           | to properly deal with them.
        
             | 4cao wrote:
             | I know Heise (the publication) for its good coverage of
             | specific issues, the most recent I recall being the data
             | collection practices of coronavirus-related apps [1].
             | 
             | I've always assumed it's something like a better version of
             | The Register, [2] which I used to read a while ago, but
             | don't really know that much about it, especially the
             | comments section. Thanks for the heads-up.
             | 
             | 1. https://www.heise.de/news/Corona-Apps-im-Datenschutz-
             | Check-A...
             | 
             | 2. https://www.theregister.co.uk/
        
               | omnibrain wrote:
               | Heise is definitely one of the best tech media/print
               | houses.
               | 
               | But their handling of their comment section is seriously
               | lacking and it looks like it is stuck in early 90ies
               | usenet discussions and worse.
        
               | amaccuish wrote:
               | What is the difference between golem and heise. I like
               | both but are they equally popular?
        
       | kradeelav wrote:
       | Pixiv! (http://pixiv.net/) If you're familiar with deviantart or
       | artstation, it's a similar Japanese digital art site with its own
       | culture, store, contests, and more. While the site has a pretty
       | great English navigation, I was on there back in the day when it
       | was 100% Japanese only, and many of its current mores stem from
       | those days.
        
         | gjvnq wrote:
         | This website is well known by the reddit transgender community.
        
       | Naga wrote:
       | I would love suggestions of French language sites! I have found
       | them quiet hard to find, especially of a more than surface level
       | discussion.
        
         | jette_au_loin wrote:
         | France has a few enormous message boards about various topics.
         | 
         | forum.hardware.fr is a big one (it's not just about computer
         | hardware, there's a decent section about news/world events,
         | etc.)
        
           | gspr wrote:
           | > forum.hardware.fr is a big one (it's not just about
           | computer hardware, there's a decent section about news/world
           | events, etc.)
           | 
           | What I assume is the equivalent, forum.hardware.no, used to
           | be huge in Norway in the 00s too, but then the community more
           | or less got swallowed by Reddit. Did the French one survive?
        
             | waterpowder wrote:
             | Oh yes, it's very active. Interestingly, the hardware news,
             | tests and reviews closed a year or two ago, but the message
             | board remained.
        
             | Glawen wrote:
             | Very active, I find it much better than reddit where I
             | usually cannot find anything useful, the UI is awful on
             | reddit.
             | 
             | The real interesting thing is that there are a lot of
             | threads for very specialized topics (e.g. bikes, mattress,
             | pizza oven or torch lights). Before buying something I
             | usually check if a thread exists and read it / ask
             | questions. You however end up having to revise upwards your
             | budget to buy the stuff they recommend.
        
               | swanswan wrote:
               | Try https://teddit.net/ for an alternate Reddit UI
               | interface.
        
             | benhurmarcel wrote:
             | I think it's more or less saved by the bad English level of
             | most users. They won't switch to an international
             | alternative.
        
             | unhammer wrote:
             | diskusjon.no still seems fairly active. Though anytime I
             | search for something non-tech-related in Norwegian ("us
             | taxes norway", "car brake trombone", "kid face blue",
             | "beach meteorite"), I typically get one of the forums
             | Kvinneguiden.no ("the women's guide"), BarniMagen.no
             | ("child in tummy") or MammaNett (... you get the drift). So
             | there's a part of the Norwegian Internet that strangely
             | hasn't been swallowed up by the FRAANG.
        
         | alfl wrote:
         | La Quadrature du Net [0] is a collective of privacy advocates,
         | like the EFF for the EU. They run an active Mastodon node at
         | mamot.fr.
         | 
         | [0]: https://www.laquadrature.net/
        
         | croisillon wrote:
         | Rezo.net is a leftist portal, often displaying obscure blogs no
         | one reads. I started reading it around 1999 and I'm glad it is
         | still here.
         | 
         | Around 2005 there was a very cute php generalist forum called
         | kopikol.net but I still lament that they had to close around
         | 2008
        
       | OJFord wrote:
       | Ha, I'm learning Hindi, I'd love a 'Hindi Stack Overflow', I
       | imagine the technical bits would be English anyway so it'd be a
       | great way to familiarise/practice. (Easier than news, say, I
       | imagine, since I'd have more context and it wouldn't be as
       | formal/pure Hindi.)
       | 
       | I could try to contribute too: My cache is full of eels, how do I
       | set the death timer for the evictings of my tenants?
        
         | exikyut wrote:
         | +1 for the second line, but I'm very curious about "eels". The
         | rest generally makes sense.
        
           | bmn__ wrote:
           | It is part of a collection of well-known phrases that are
           | also translated into many languages.
           | 
           | * https://enwp.org/My_Hovercraft_Is_Full_Of_Eels
           | 
           | * https://enwp.org/I_Can_Eat_Glass
           | 
           | * https://enwp.org/Omniglot
        
           | OJFord wrote:
           | Yep as sibling comment says I was riffing on 'my hovercraft
           | is full of eels' [0], meaning to say that that's probably
           | what me trying to ask questions on a hypothetical 'Hindi
           | StackOverflow' would sound like.
           | 
           | [0] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grA5XmBRC6g
        
         | xkyscore wrote:
         | It's a long-running joke that Youtube is a Hindi Stack
         | Overflow, albeit non-text based, though you can view
         | transcripts.
        
           | captn3m0 wrote:
           | Yup, writing good technical content in Hindi is nigh-
           | impossible.
        
             | xxpor wrote:
             | I've noticed that Twitter will translate Hindi written in
             | Roman characters, which is certainly common on the
             | internet, but I'd think given (AFAIK) there's no formal
             | standard for it it'd be hard to get good data to feed into
             | an AI. Or is it enough of a 1-1 transliteration that all
             | you need to do is encode the Roman->Devanagari rules and
             | that'll work nearly 100% of the time?
        
               | abdullahkhalids wrote:
               | There are several standards https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki
               | /Devanagari_transliteration#Tra...
               | 
               | Nobody bothers to use them.
               | 
               | Same for Urdu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Urdu
        
               | OJFord wrote:
               | The standard is IAST - but colloquially people don't use
               | it, preferring a more Anglophone phonetic approximation
               | (since English literacy is high) so you get 'aloo'
               | instead of 'alu' (potato) and 'jeera' instead of 'jira'
               | (cumin), for example.
               | 
               | It's quite annoying as a learner, since it can make it
               | difficult to map back to devnagari (resp. devnagari) to
               | look up a new word, for example. (It's almost entirely
               | true to say that devnagari script is phonetic, so if you
               | write kuch and I don't know the word, I know how to
               | pronounce it without knowing what it means, and can ask
               | someone or look it up, which is a great feature that
               | English of course doesn't have at all, and while Hindi
               | phonetic approximation in the alphabet might get closer,
               | it's still non-standard and different typers will spell
               | words differently.)
        
               | captn3m0 wrote:
               | The challenge isn't with the script - it's with lack of
               | acceptable technical vocabulary in Hindi/English.
               | 
               | Video works because Hinglish is how tech-talk in (many,
               | not all) companies works.
               | 
               | But you'd never see a technical doc in any of the these
               | companies in Hindi, because you can't even translate
               | simple terms like Server or package-management. Even if
               | you find acceptable translations, they aren't immediately
               | obvious, because nobody has heard them before.
               | 
               | In a Python video, you might hear: "meraa code requests
               | library se Google server ko HTTP request bhejtaa haiN"
               | (My code uses the requests library to send HTTP requests
               | to Google".
               | 
               | It works on video, but it doesn't on text because nobody
               | is used to reading this in Hindi in the first place.
        
               | arp242 wrote:
               | So if I understand correctly, Latin characters aren't
               | used for loanwords like this in written text?
               | 
               | When I was young I used to play some MSX games in
               | Japanese, the language doesn't really matter for a lot of
               | these 1980s games, and you would frequently see English
               | words and terms written in Latin characters used all over
               | the place.
               | 
               | Why won't this work for Hindi? Are people not familiar
               | with these characters? Or is there just no tradition of
               | doing so?
        
               | OJFord wrote:
               | That does happen, a common word for 'school' is skuul
               | ('skul') for example.
               | 
               | It's just that another phenomenon is the alphabeticising
               | of Hindi (as in actually Hindi words) like 'namaste aap
               | kaise hain? Mera naam Ollie hoon' (IAST ap, nam, oli, and
               | hun) is a contrived sentence but the sort of thing
               | someone might text if they didn't have the keyboard for
               | nmste aap kaise haiN? meraa naam olii huuN or whatever
               | reason.
        
               | captn3m0 wrote:
               | > _So if I understand correctly, Latin characters aren 't
               | used for loanwords like this in written text?_
               | 
               | It happens in casual text - WhatsApp forwards, SMS
               | messages. But for official writing - you pick a language
               | and stick to it, as much as possible. This made more than
               | a few notices impossibly hard to read when I was in
               | college, because the Hindi felt archaic, even if it
               | wasn't.
               | 
               | Other countries had a rich culture of research and
               | scientific literature published in native languages.
               | India never got that to a national scale, because India
               | has hundreds of languages[0] so any efforts were local. A
               | paper published in Tamil would be unreadable by folks a
               | hundred miles away, so English became the technical
               | lingua-franca of the nation (The colonial imposition
               | didn't help either).
               | 
               | When a developer searches stack-overflow for an answer,
               | english works better because it serves all developers in
               | India.
               | 
               | [0]: India scores 0.914 on the Linguistic diversity
               | Index, which ranges from 0 (everyone has the same mother
               | tongue) to 1 (no two people have the same mother tongue)
        
               | arp242 wrote:
               | I think English is the _lingua franca_ of science and
               | computing pretty much anywhere now? Just as Latin was in
               | the past? Newton didn 't publish in English, but in
               | Latin, as did most people of his day.
               | 
               | In Dutch, I would just say "de server is kapot" ("the
               | server is broken"). There is no attempt to translate
               | words like "server" to Dutch. You see the same in
               | Indonesian (standard Indonesian, Bahasa, there are many
               | Indonesian languages) where these kind of words are just
               | copied ad-verbatim from either English or (for older
               | words) Dutch. For many technical terms in the IT world
               | there are no "Dutch words": just the English ones. The
               | exceptions seem to be the ones where there are Dutch
               | words that are close enough to the English ones
               | ("function" - "functie", "variables" - "variabelen").
               | Both languages having similar Germanic roots with
               | Latin/Greek influences helps I suppose.
               | 
               | And in those cases all the languages use the same Latin
               | script, so it's easier to include loanwords and technical
               | terms.
               | 
               | So it seems to me, unless I'm misunderstanding something,
               | that it's at least partly an issue of script
               | translations? Adopting the example someone else posted,
               | why shouldn't "nmste aap kaise haiN? meraa server olii
               | huuN" be considered acceptable Hindi?
        
               | xxpor wrote:
               | For the English words used in Dutch, do you use Dutch
               | pronunciation, even if the word is spelled the same?
               | 
               | We all know how Dutch people like to pronounce their Gs
               | :)
        
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