[HN Gopher] Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physic...
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Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical caching
platform
Author : fallingfrog
Score : 683 points
Date : 2021-02-13 14:20 UTC (1 days ago)
(HTM) web link (www.shitbowl.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.shitbowl.com)
| annoyingnoob wrote:
| I thought this was a last-in-first-out stack?
| adrianmonk wrote:
| It's actually a self-organizing list with the move-to-front
| method:
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-organizing_list
| annoyingnoob wrote:
| I suppose the shitbowl supports some amount of concurrency
| and some times O(1) access to more than just the last item.
| DavidPeiffer wrote:
| Thanks for linking! Now I know the name for my strategy in my
| spice cabinet. Most recently used spices go on the right,
| slowly moving to the left with lack of use.
| dmje wrote:
| We've gone large in our house with ShitCupboard (tm), a much
| bigger deployment of roughly the same framework
| allenrb wrote:
| Mine keeps throwing Overflow. How can I open a bug?
| willis936 wrote:
| It's a feature, not a bug. This problem is outside the scope of
| this project and the issue should be filed upstream.
| thomasmg wrote:
| No, you should not open up the bugs. They show up because they
| do an organic search, e.g. for apple products. Simply close
| that source, then the bugs will disappear.
| almost_usual wrote:
| Need a segmented cache to keep out items only accessed once.
|
| Really this bowl needs 2Q instead of LRU.
| rkagerer wrote:
| KOHLER sh*tbowls are harder to implement but you can flush the
| cache.
| madamelic wrote:
| I think you should add machine learning to v2.
|
| LRU is a decent algorithm but it would be much effective if
| Shitbowl could learn my routines and re-organize as needed.
| powerbroker wrote:
| Shitbowl v2.0: Adds a well that extends to the center of the
| earth
|
| Shitbowl v3.0: Adds a multi-tiered dumbwaiter, that makes
| retrieval and storage to center of the earth a snap;
|
| Shitbowl v4.0: Adds a reciprocal well that extends to the
| antipode of the earth, and allows users, so-situated, to borrow
| from their counterpart, least-used items of the counterpart,
| Uber-style.
|
| Shitbowl v5.0: Implements a heat-hardened round-house router to
| universally exchange least-used items, near the earth's core
| poxwole wrote:
| You could probably get it funded
| davidschw4rz wrote:
| Very good idea, great potential for being the next unicorn! Be
| sure to hire a growth hacker. /s
| Nextgrid wrote:
| As I mentioned in another comment, this product absolutely
| needs some lights or a buzzer to drive "engagement" in case the
| user doesn't "engage" with the bowl for more than a few hours.
| RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote:
| Since I can't get support from the company, I am posting to HN so
| that someone from Shitbowl sees my post and responds.
|
| I recently got a Shitbowl and threw some coins in, planning to
| use them soon. However, the coins ended up at the bottom of the
| Shitbowl instead of the top. This is definitely a big since it
| violates LRU. Shitbowl has not responded so far to my complaint.
| prtk25 wrote:
| What a time to be alive!
| solanav wrote:
| In-home physical cache... Such an smart observation! Love it!
| [deleted]
| rtkwe wrote:
| Bug report: Item retrieval is not functionally pure and may have
| side effects on the sorting of items in the bowl.
| exabrial wrote:
| High constant factor
| Shared404 wrote:
| Bug closed: User error. All items above the desired item must
| be retrieved and replaced as one bundle.
|
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| oarsinsync wrote:
| Tragically, with uMatrix installed and default configuration, no
| images load, because external third party JS is needed just to
| load an image.
|
| A parody that plays itself a little too well, sadly.
| rhn_mk1 wrote:
| Works for me, third party image host only.
| elliottkember wrote:
| Tip Top ice cream is a dead giveaway that this is a New Zealand
| product. Also very good ice cream.
| charliewallace wrote:
| True story - I just used this principle to re-org my closet, a
| perfect pandemic thing to do. All the most recently used, still-
| clean-enough garments are placed at the end easiest to reach, the
| level one cache. Rarely used items are at the other end, the
| long-term storage, while in between is the L2 cache. On laundry
| day the L1 cache gets flushed...
| pokstad wrote:
| I tried explaining this to my wife with my laundry pile and she
| wouldn't buy it.
| jedberg wrote:
| The problem with the laundry pile LRU is the extreme bitrot of
| the first items in.
| aldanor wrote:
| Laundry pile needs random access!
| alpaca128 wrote:
| I don't care about that as long as it efficiently handles the
| worst-case of the sock tuple matching problem.
| egypturnash wrote:
| I just implemented a proper cache for unmatched socks this
| morning! I just got a dresser and dedicated one drawer to
| socks embedded in a plastic hexagon matrix, with an area on
| one side for unmatched socks awaiting the re-appearance of
| their mate on some future laundry day.
|
| It is a slow process but it is very low energy.
| folmar wrote:
| I can't recommend this. I have already three drawers full
| of unmatched socks even though nominally they are only in
| four colours. The socke maker failed to exceed my quality
| expectations and delivers visibly discernible specimens
| of the same model in different batches. I'm currently
| evaluating makers with TQM or Seven Sigma as the ISO
| quality management is a total failure here.
| egypturnash wrote:
| Switching to higher quality socks that have whimsical
| patterns and are sold in pairs will definitely make for a
| better experience; matching socks is _much_ easier when
| it's a matter of "oh hey the other peacock sock finally
| showed up" than "these white socks I buy in bulk are
| actually made by different manufacturers for every batch
| and exhibit subtle distinctions that must be carefully
| examined".
| dajohnson89 wrote:
| I used this to convince my gf to replace her hideous fake tree
| decoration with a nice bowl for holding stuff instead. This
| might be the most useful HN post for me ever.
| imhoguy wrote:
| Nah, not Internet connected and no mobile app to control it.
| pca006132 wrote:
| We should attach some IoT sensors and stream user behavior back
| to our server, either forward the data to the vendor of your
| item and let them provide some support[1], or do some machine
| learning for credit assessment[2]. And this could be called
| _the world 's first smart in-home physical caching device_.
|
| [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26114194
|
| [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26119312
| dna_polymerase wrote:
| I see you took out the car keys. Drive to your closest Shell
| now for a 2% fuel discount.
| Nextgrid wrote:
| Don't forget adding some blinking lights or beeps to drive
| "engagement" in case the user doesn't engage with the bowl
| for more than a couple hours.
| Shared404 wrote:
| Could we possibly use blockchain to track the state of each
| item?
| alex_young wrote:
| Any advice on implementing HyperLogLog on this? I'd really like
| to avoid map reduce if possible.
| 1970-01-01 wrote:
| I'm going to scale this with Rust and MongoDB. Do you have any
| advice before we spend millions on a prototype?
| rriepe wrote:
| I really wish people wouldn't post stuff like this to HN.
|
| The last bowl bubble was devastating. In 2013 there were
| literally bowls selling for millions of dollars[1]. My kids
| didn't eat cereal that year.
|
| Please consider the consequences of your startups. It's "just a
| landing page" one day but the next, you're _ruining lives_.
|
| [1] https://www.cnn.com/2013/03/20/business/sothebys-china-
| bowl/...
| hobofan wrote:
| I sincerely hope that the reason you are being downvoted is
| that people didn't read beyond the first sentence.
| rriepe wrote:
| The downvotes make it funnier!
| edoceo wrote:
| The heavy burden of the internet comedian.
| _Microft wrote:
| Rust is what distinguishes this competitor's product. I am not
| sure how Shitbowl ensures ownership of stored items.
|
| https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bb/8d/c6/bb8dc61f7bc93b996c71...
| tailspin2019 wrote:
| To enable Sharding: throw your shitbowl against the wall.
|
| NB: Cached items will be need to be reindexed once sharding has
| been enabled.
| spacemanmatt wrote:
| ShitBox has had sharts since like version 2.4
| txtsd wrote:
| > sharts
| detaro wrote:
| If you have a glass one you can even shard the bowl!
| tailspin2019 wrote:
| Um. Yeah. Thanks for explaining my joke :-)
| detaro wrote:
| whops ;) I read it as "spread the contents around widely"
| == sharding at first
| tailspin2019 wrote:
| Equally valid.
| chronolitus wrote:
| The bowl flew right over this commenter's head
| xwdv wrote:
| I cache my shoes by leaving the ones I wear frequently by the
| door ready to be put on. The ones I access less will go in the
| closet and the ones used very infrequently will go to the storage
| unit for glacial level storage.
| leoc wrote:
| Chamber pots. You've invented chamber pots.
| khalilravanna wrote:
| I'll wait for the mainstream IOT Shitbowl with Alexa support and
| an iOS app that destroys my battery life by pinging a server to
| give me notifications for new shit being added to the bowl.
| caseyw wrote:
| I have to say I've been using Shitbowl since it's inception and
| I've never used such a powerful system before.
|
| Up until now I relied on attempting to organize my own shit which
| lets be honest, was super shitty. Then comes Shitbowl. My wife
| and in-laws didn't understand the technology at first but once I
| really got them to try it they were immediately onboard.
|
| Thanks Shitbowl for making our lives better!
| MetalGuru wrote:
| More like a shit stack
| Waterluvian wrote:
| My Shitbowl biases towards larger objects. Anyone else getting
| this bug?
| chronolitus wrote:
| The idea is pretty good, but misses the mark. Bitcoin has shown
| that decentralization is a bad idea. What people actually want is
| Sharebowl: a single bowl, the size of oregon, that you can trust
| to keep your valuables safe.
|
| We plan an ICO by 2022, IPO by 2023, and IBS[1] by next week.
|
| [1] https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/irritable-
| bow...
| hda2 wrote:
| I'm a bit late to the bitcoin game (and gearing up to accept
| bitcoin payments in an upcoming project) so excuse me if my
| question is trivial, but how does bitcoin show that
| decentralization is a bad idea?
|
| Aside from energy consumption and stability, bitcoin seems like
| a resounding success to outsiders like me.
| chaboud wrote:
| Wooosh!
|
| That's the sound of a joke flying overhead.
|
| Decentralization is a feature. As with most features, it has
| technical and behavioral costs. In the case of Bitcoin, this
| cost is an enormous computational and environmental burden.
| However, I'm pretty sure that this commenter was joking.
| crazygringo wrote:
| No, a single centralized bowl carries massive risk. What
| happens when it goes down? Do you even trust the SLA? What
| about privacy?
|
| What we need is Peerbowl: a network of millions of bowls
| interconnected via an interdimensional wormhole.
|
| We're in the last stages of ironing out all the kinks. Race
| conditions have resulted in a few lost fingers but also some
| extra tentacles which users report are surprisingly handy! Stay
| tuned for our IPO*.
|
| * Interplanetary Public Offering
| [deleted]
| mikewarot wrote:
| You mean an EnderChest? ;-)
| tailspin2019 wrote:
| Bravo
| gorgoiler wrote:
| Where does _dogebowl_ fit into this, other than to start a
| pronunciation war?
| kderbyma wrote:
| dogebowl is a known pump and dump by the meme bowlers
| nottrobin wrote:
| Haha love the simplicity of "bitcoin has shown decentralisation
| is a bad idea". No whiff of a justification, just a
| straightforward statement of fact. A masterclass in empty
| marketing. This company knows their shit.
| tetha wrote:
| > no backdoor access for federal agencies
|
| Tragically, I have to strongly doubt this is secure against the
| almighty warrant-backdoor for physical security. And once they
| have their hands on the bowl, the content is freely accessible.
| xxpor wrote:
| This implementation is O(n) on retrieval, rather than O(1) as in
| the ideal case. Hopefully v2 will optimize that in the near
| future.
| gnfargbl wrote:
| It is true that it is theoretically O(n) in the worst case, but
| in my own production deployments I have tended to find a huge
| skew towards selecting the most recently inserted couple of
| items. Here the obvious ocular caching optimization leads to
| O(1) time retrieval.
| harlanji wrote:
| That's right. This system has a high hit rate baked in, based
| on matching the data structure to the real world usage with a
| predictable set of content classes. Very elegant.
| [deleted]
| nicolashahn wrote:
| I think the next version, Shitplate, should have this
| improvement. Space complexity is worse, though.
| ThePadawan wrote:
| I am a competitor of Shitbowl, and my product ("Shitdrawer")
| solves this issue!
| schmorptron wrote:
| However, while it's true that your product is O(1) even in
| the worst case, when you look closer it's actually O(1) +
| O(1) even in the best case, as you have to open the
| Shitdrawer to even get the the most recently used item. Do
| you have any solution to this?
| sdenton4 wrote:
| Shitfloor?
| james_pm wrote:
| My kids already invented that. If you want theirs, come
| ask. Includes unlimited eye rolls and muttering.
| drran wrote:
| O(1)+O(1) is just O(11). Not a big problem.
| ThePadawan wrote:
| I would recommend not looking closer!
| james_pm wrote:
| Shitdrawer is the Amazon Glacier of Shitbowl. Easy to throw
| stuff in, generally it stays there very long term.
| zikzak wrote:
| I used to love this product but after a few weeks it started
| to only make the first 15% of the items available. You then
| have to use elevated permissions to remove the cached items
| directly behind these which sometimes results in damage to
| the items or the operator. Please fix this or I'm going to
| lower my rating.
| sgtnoodle wrote:
| Shitdrawer also has a more compelling security model,
| although to be honest shitbowl is more convenient and most
| people think firewalls are good enough whether or not they
| have tons of easily opened ports.
| chapium wrote:
| O(1) implementation is trivial and implemented by most
| teenagers bedroom floors.
| sgtnoodle wrote:
| It depends on how good the hash algorithm is. My 2 year old's
| method tends to have a lot of collisions near the book shelf
| and the play kitchen, and I'm starting to think it's
| nondeterministic...
| isoprophlex wrote:
| But does it have a browser built in? Can I use it to tweet while
| I search for my keys?
| sitkack wrote:
| I signed up for their beta, and have been using Shitbowl(r) for
| about 6 months and the results have been amazing. I can't
| recommend it enough.
| spacemanmatt wrote:
| I built a multi-tenant version of this for my office and am now
| retiring on them fat royalty checks. AMA
| the_arun wrote:
| This looks like a stack to me instead of LRU Cache :). Am I
| missing something?
| FPGAhacker wrote:
| Yes, you can retrieve items that aren't on the top.
| [deleted]
| theginger wrote:
| Critical dos vulnerable. It cannot recover from being repeatedly
| hit with a hammer
| glitchc wrote:
| Can only be operated in a high trust environment ---SMH---
| OJFord wrote:
| I don't particularly want to be 'that guy', and perhaps/probably
| it's part of the joke ('whoosh') - but 'the LRU items go to the
| bottom'.. it's MRU? The top item that you take (assuming you're
| not digging about) is the _most_ recently used, we don 't
| classify queues by what's at the back/bottom?
| Hydraulix989 wrote:
| No. LRU is referring to eviction policy (which still isn't
| accurate since this bowl doesn't have a hole at the bottom).
|
| (I guess I'm 'that guy' now :)
| OJFord wrote:
| Yes, right, sorry, of course. _Cache_.
|
| I think I got confused because a cache is a fixed length
| queue where 'take one' means evict, but 'take one' in OP
| means cache hit (if we're calling it a cache). I'd still
| prefer to call it an MRU queue (not a cache at all) I
| suppose.
|
| (With some weird overflow property where it starts evicting
| MRU after a certain point too...)
| xmprt wrote:
| What's missing is the fact that this is just an L3 cache.
| There's another L2 shitbowl which picks up all the shit that's
| even more frequently used.
| krylon wrote:
| I think I was having a cultural impedance mismatch, I was
| expecting something toilet-related. Now I am both relieved and
| disappointed, so there goes my weekend. ;-P
| _Microft wrote:
| I heard some people prefer the decentralized approach but that it
| might lead to consensus problems with their significant other.
| tgtweak wrote:
| Proof of relationship
| sitzkrieg wrote:
| tip top cant keep getting away with it
| iujjkfjdkkdkf wrote:
| No wifi, less space than a junk drawer, lame.
| sanj wrote:
| And people laugh when I refer to the drawer next to the stove as
| an L1 cache!
| dboreham wrote:
| You're lucky they laugh.
| hrishi wrote:
| As always, a Bloom filter can improve search times.
| JustARandomGuy wrote:
| Well done. It took me a moment to understand the joke but then I
| laughed hard. You should consider putting an actual store in
| there, I'm sure some sales would convert.
| secondcoming wrote:
| If I put a Docker container in it will it scale seamlessly?
| nicbou wrote:
| You can use a bigger shitbowl instance, but at this point you
| might just want to deploy a few of them on a shitshelf cluster.
| However if you're hitting size limits with only two users, you
| should tackle the root cause instead of throwing more hardware
| at it.
| TeMPOraL wrote:
| The way it's designed, you want to ship a container of
| shitbowls, not a shitbowl of shipping containers.
| snissn wrote:
| oh i thought this was going to be a lot grosser and ahhaha i'm
| not even sure why i clicked
| ericzawo wrote:
| Why are we censoring the name? Is the implication children read
| HN?
| dijksterhuis wrote:
| Some folks could be at work so might have been a good idea to
| avoid swearwords on the front/submit page.
| gpanders wrote:
| But then it's right there in the URL, so I don't think this
| actually solves anything
| dijksterhuis wrote:
| Whoever submitted it might just be trying to do a decent
| and responsible thing (the URLs aren't filtered by HN). I'd
| rather that than the whole front page filled with expletive
| laden titles every day.
|
| Not the submitter through so this is all speculation and
| conjecture and not particularly relevant to the joke
| anyway.
| jrochkind1 wrote:
| Why is the HN article title obscured with "*"? Does HN have a
| forbidden words policy?
| egypturnash wrote:
| It's especially hilarious because the same word is right there
| in the URL.
| zczc wrote:
| "Kitsch is the absolute denial of shit, in both the literal and
| the figurative senses of the word" -- Milan Kundera, _The
| Unbearable Lightness of Being_
| yepthatsreality wrote:
| Christians. You're on their time.
| imglorp wrote:
| "See, in our century, we've learned not to fear words."
| TeMPOraL wrote:
| That was the 20th century. In 21st, words are weapons.
| imglorp wrote:
| Is there another reference to this? My quote was Uhura on
| ST-TOS "Savage Curtain", around 2200 AD(?).
| TeMPOraL wrote:
| Ouch. I missed the reference!
| dragonwriter wrote:
| Linguistic prudishness outside of specifically around
| violations of the Second Commandment isn't particularly tied
| to Christianity.
|
| As "shit" is not, even in the broadest Christian
| interpretation, a name of the Christian God, that doesn't
| seem to be the basis of any filtering of that word.
| stonogo wrote:
| Are we now pretending anyone pursues the concept of
| 'profanity' or defines it as broadly as Puritanical
| christians? Seems a weird fight to pick, but ok.
| dragonwriter wrote:
| > Are we now pretending anyone pursues the concept of
| 'profanity' or defines it as broadly as Puritanical
| christians?
|
| Literally Puritanical Christians don't exist anymore,
| it's a defunct sect. Metaphorical puritanism in any sense
| relevant here isn't restricted to Christians.
|
| And, yes, plenty of groups are at least as opposed to
| profanity, and define it at least broadly, as any
| Christian groups (certainly, I've noted Islamic groups
| that that applies to.) Sure, in, say, the US if you run
| into this its mostly likely to be from Christians, but
| that's true of most things because the US is a majority-
| Christian country.
| fallingfrog wrote:
| That was me.. I guess I was uncertain about whether it would
| get flagged if I put a curse word in the title. No deeper
| agenda there.
| jrochkind1 wrote:
| looks like it has been corrected!
| [deleted]
| bookmarkable wrote:
| This kind of sarcastic social critique well designed site reminds
| of better times for the Internet... before the dark times...
| before Facebook.
| andrewprock wrote:
| On the flip side this is a real process that essentially works.
| The book "Algorithms to Love By" decides a chapter to solutions
| to meat space retrieval problems.
| nemosaltat wrote:
| I'm pretty sure you mean "Algorithms to _Live_ By"- but I
| love the typo, since one anecdotes involves using
| CS/mathematical principles (secretary problem) to find an
| optimal romantic partner. Enjoyable read for sure!
| chrisweekly wrote:
| ATLB is such an awesome book.
| andrewprock wrote:
| Lol! That's what I get for using my phone :D
| naiveai wrote:
| Oh no! The Internet is more easily accessible providing more
| knowledge and access to millions worldwide! It's not limited to
| our extremely exclusive clique of 1337 hackers who also all
| happen to be white, college-educated American men!
| hkt wrote:
| FWIW, I was one of the clique of 1337 hackers without being
| American or college educated!
|
| In seriousness, the radicalism of the early internet was
| great for autodidacts, and I loved it. It shaped me as a
| person and I still don't have or need a university degree.
|
| The thing that was nice in the past was that it seemed so
| easy to find other people finding their own path. It was a
| bit less commercial and a bit more communal. It was a great
| thing, but communities have a finite capacity for on boarding
| people. It is easy to squash that, and it was definitely
| squashed pretty hard as the internet popularised.
| encom wrote:
| Neither was I. I was a teenager in Denmark with internet
| access in the 90's. My family was poor, and I bought a
| modem with money I earned from my paper route. By most
| metrics, I was decidedly unprivileged.
| mrzool wrote:
| You could have, you know, all that good stuff also without
| Facebook.
| roughly wrote:
| arguably more easily, since a primary outcome of facebook
| seems to be to make white college educated american men
| angry at everyone else
| RGamma wrote:
| Well with its relentless commercialisation it also brought in
| loads of trash tier entertainment, splintered attention,
| intense bubblification and collective amnesia for a
| significant part of its userbase.
|
| All the potential for good that made users so enthusiastic
| (as we now know: over-enthusiastic) about it until the early
| 00s (maybe 10s) still exist, it's just big tech and other
| businesses have hijacked the community-driven governance and
| narrative for private gains.
|
| All the cool ((internet) cultural, but not necessarily
| technical) stuff that existed and exists... you'd never find
| out about it today if you weren't there and already know what
| to look for (and even then search result quality has gone
| down the drain due to massive spam. Not that you can
| reasonably filter search results to not include businesses or
| other SEO spam for instance...). Of course things that don't
| make money/grab attention eventually are "rationalised away"
| or forgotten about in this ungodly screaming contest.
|
| Not all is bad; it's just the drop in average quality of
| substance and intransparency of its gatekeepers that worries
| me. I always keep my hope that a diverse array of communities
| continue to exist in which cool things happen on a regular
| basis. Mainstream social media is not this place though.
| alex_young wrote:
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September
| jonnycomputer wrote:
| Wow, from that era, but never encountered this (did not
| Usenet much though).
|
| Still, maybe this kind of staggered onboarding into forums
| isn't that bad of an idea. Its not like a site couldn't
| enforce it. Sign up to join. Get email indicating when
| participation begins.
| forgotmypw17 wrote:
| you may like my site then :)
| bravoetch wrote:
| Those ice-cream containers are used in every NZ garage. As
| someone that used to work at Tip-top, I approve of this
| container-based approach.
| xyzelement wrote:
| This reminded - I noticed a while ago that being a computer
| science guy makes me think differently about physical storage and
| retrieval.
|
| For example - my wife likes "shorts" to be in one drawer and
| "t-shirts" in another. I like for one drawer to be "workout
| clothes" and have the mix of gym shorts and t-shirts. To me this
| feels "obviously" right because the use-case requires both items
| so why pay for two costly "open drawer" IOs?
|
| Similarly, she is very organized with her paper files, I just
| throw mine into a box. In the rare event I need something (eg
| when doing taxes) I don't mind scanning through the whole mess.
| Seems like a better strategy than making each "write" costly
| (neatly organizing) since writes are frequent and reads are rare.
|
| Anyone else like that?
| 9dev wrote:
| I spend my whole work day figuring out those problems but not
| once got the idea to apply them to organising my personal life.
| Questioning a lot of decisions now...
| chrisan wrote:
| Kinda?
|
| Workout clothes make sense, these are things that get sweaty
| and I don't want to sort through all my t-shirts and underwear
| to find a wicking ones. And fancy clothes (wedding/funeral) go
| together so I can just open the closet bag and have my suit,
| shirt, tie, and dress socks all there - one "go bag" for each
| suit color (black, blue, grey) with shoes below.
|
| However, everything else is interchangeable throughout the
| year.
|
| For paper, there is some basic sorting I'll do. Pets, cars,
| home, and tax related items. I just put the new piece at the
| end of the folder which is hardly any 'write cost' and makes
| for a much easier read later if the need arises. Besides taxes
| where I just need all of the papers, most of the time the thing
| I need to reference is near the end
| montenegrohugo wrote:
| Your first example could have a different explanation, assuming
| she is the one that more often does the laundry. Ordering
| clothes by type is cognitively easy: a shirt is a shirt, shorts
| are shorts. When you have a stack of freshly washed clothes,
| sorting them according to type is so trivial it is a
| thoughtless process.
|
| However, sorting according to use case is more involved. For
| each piece of clothing in the clothes pile, the clothes
| organizer must think of how this particular piece of cloth is
| used. Is this just an old t-shirt? Or is this particular old
| t-shirt out of favor with my husband and so he uses it for his
| workout? Or should it go in the pyjama t-shirts pile?
|
| So writes seem to be much more costly (cognitively) when
| organizing clothes according to usage rather than type (if
| these clothes are not your own in which case determining their
| usage does seem trivial), and your wife may be optimizing for
| it (again, see initial assumption)
| chaboud wrote:
| Personal optimization schemes fall apart when we have to
| interoperate with others, just like in system architectures.
|
| Think about the cognitive load of your spouse when you decide
| how a system should work.
| extropic-engine wrote:
| ok but the real question for everyone here is do y'all put
| your leggings in your sock drawer or with your bras/underwear
| Taniwha wrote:
| I think that if you want your own classification you have to
| put away your own laundry ...
| ComputerGuru wrote:
| Why are you bringing this toxicity into it? OP didn't say
| anything about who does the laundry. They could be each
| doing their own or he could be doing it for both of them -
| it's entirely besides the point of how they prefer the
| clothes sorted.
| ItsMattyG wrote:
| The original comment was assuming his partner more often
| did the laundry, which could explain the difference...
| xyzelement wrote:
| Reasonable analysis. In the case of my wife, it's a matter of
| what she believes is right (shirts go together because they
| are shirts) not of expediency of any of the operations :)
| noisy_boy wrote:
| I thought of doing the "writes" as per the use case as having
| to denormalize the "record" first which is extra work from
| insert point of view (but optimized for "fetch" - the entire
| dataset of shirt+pant is right there) - that is not how they
| come out of the washing machine. They come out normalized as
| "shirt" "pant" which is optimum for inserts. So if she doing
| the laundry, her method is the least effort for her.
| m463 wrote:
| I'm reminded of cars, which are designed for assembly. They are
| easy to put together and they're put together in layers.
|
| Same with your clothes, designed for laundry. (defined by
| laundry?) easier to have bins for socks, and underwear and
| pants and shirts. they wash in one batch. Easier to load the
| socks drawer all at once.
|
| But not as easy to find everything when you're getting dressed.
|
| That said, I have two kinds of toolsets.
|
| generic - all the tools in one chest - drawer for pliers,
| anothers for screwdrivers, ratchets, sockets, etc
|
| project-specific - near my computer I have phillips
| 2,1,0,00,000 and a keypuller and a paperclip.
|
| row order vs column order I guess. array of structures,
| structure of arrays.
| rlayton2 wrote:
| When folding the washing, I don't make sure the t-shirts /
| pants / etc are the "right way out", reducing the already heavy
| burden on the folding server, and pushing that work onto the
| less heavily burdened clients.
| kranner wrote:
| > Similarly, she is very organized with her paper files, I just
| throw mine into a box. In the rare event I need something (eg
| when doing taxes) I don't mind scanning through the whole mess.
| Seems like a better strategy than making each "write" costly
| (neatly organizing) since writes are frequent and reads are
| rare.
|
| This is why I have given up trying to organise my downloaded
| papers and books by subject. It's faster to search through them
| when I have a term in mind.
| hunter2_ wrote:
| This reminds me of the days before "Downloads" folders were
| provided by OSes for use by browsers, and one would need to
| select a destination for every file at download time. I think
| macOS got it right with the "stack" widget (truncated listing
| of the Downloads folder sorted by date).
| madaxe_again wrote:
| My wife keeps on reorganising my toolboxes and it's driving me
| nuts. She ends up organising the contents by colour, or by
| size, so now I find my woodworking chisels in a box with filter
| spanners and solder (the soldering irons are in the box with
| glue and mallets). It's driving me crazy, but she won't stop,
| and gets mad at me when I can't find stuff because "it's
| organised".
|
| Different people have different minds. I group by function and
| efficiency of use - she by colour or shape, as she doesn't know
| what half the tools are. My organisation _looks_ chaotic but I
| know exactly where everything is, and I know that the tools
| I'll need for a given task will all be in the same box.
|
| Now, I have to haul everything out, rummage, have an argument,
| get called an idiot. So much better.
|
| A crap bowl would be illegal here. Everything must go back in
| its place, no matter how inconvenient that place is.
| BostonEnginerd wrote:
| Sounds like the 5S auditors have invaded your workspace!
| xyzelement wrote:
| The key at least for me is to recognize that my wife's desire
| to clean and organize is a huge net positive for my life,
| with things like you just described being relatively small
| side effects.
|
| Here's how I manage it. One important thing is to label
| anything that's messy and needs to remain that way "a work in
| progress.". It indicates to the wife that (a) you care about
| neatness and (b) there's an end in sight.
|
| The other thing is to claim areas. Sounds like tools are your
| domain - have you discussed that maybe you should just be in
| charge of that one small part of your life? :)
| wnoise wrote:
| I know someone who is similar with the paper files, but lazily
| sorts them when she needs to retrieve something, so the full
| scan only happens at most once.
| dkubb wrote:
| This is pretty efficient. She lazily sorts them on first
| access. They are stored in a thunk and then lazily evaluates
| them. After that repeated access is efficient.
| xen2xen1 wrote:
| Even better is to scan and pitch what you can during the
| scan, then file what's left. Scanning for computer search is
| awesome.
| ComputerGuru wrote:
| What do you use? I have an awesome document scanner but
| Acrobat Pro takes like ten seconds a side to OCR with a
| ridiculously single-threaded process that ends up taking
| minutes to finish even short documents on a monster
| workstation.
| captaincrisp wrote:
| Not the person your question was to, but: I use Paperless
| myself, but Mayan EDMS is another option. OCR kinda sucks
| as a rule, but it's better than the big ol' firesafe I
| used to have.
| BLKNSLVR wrote:
| I have a sports drawer: t-shirts, shorts, ankle braces.
|
| Other t-shirts hung in wardrobe and a separate drawer for other
| shorts.
|
| Paper files: chucked into a tray haphazardly after being
| attended to. Sorted into filling cabinet once tray is full
| (which it is now and arguably has been for a month or two).
| arbirk wrote:
| I need a proper white paper before even considering the idea
| elyobo wrote:
| This was more or less (same reasoning, but not explicitly
| presented as a caching algorithm) how I justified the state of my
| room as a teenager.
| mrtweetyhack wrote:
| Just Shit
| blunte wrote:
| The humor is strong with this one.
|
| This is a welcome laugh during tedious times.
| aarondf wrote:
| Why is this a product? I could implement this myself in a weekend
| with a few open source libraries.
| zikzak wrote:
| We built this years ago in Clay.
| hda2 wrote:
| Clay is unsafe. You should rebuild it again using food grade
| Resin.
| Taniwha wrote:
| Surely Rust is far better than Clay, Resin, and/or
| constricting snake platforms
| utf_8x wrote:
| Go enterprise, use a coffee cup
| qwantim1 wrote:
| I use junk drawers, which scale to available drawers, after
| which you buy more storage or a larger house.
| nicbou wrote:
| https://xkcd.com/1737/
| arcticbull wrote:
| Personally, I farm to work out to the cloud.
|
| I simply purchase whatever I need, have it delivered to an
| Amazon locker nearby, and then when I'm done with it I throw
| it out and order a new one.
|
| The most frequently used ones are always at the locker and
| the least frequently used one is automatically returned for a
| refund. The cache miss is approximately two days.
|
| It's expensive, but you can't beat the fact that it scales to
| a practically unlimited degree.
|
| I call it "bowl-less" caching.
| darkteflon wrote:
| Man, it really seems like bowl-less is everywhere these
| days. This kind of thing is why I rage quit programming and
| went to live in a Vipassana retreat.
|
| I heard this is extremely expensive for anything non-
| trivial. People are always like, scale, scale, scale. But
| 99% of people are not Walmart. KISS, YAGNI, premature
| optimisation something something.
| forty wrote:
| "bowl-less" would never work in France. It translates in
| French to "pas de bol" which also means "bad luck".
| ARandomerDude wrote:
| Still better than bowel-less, a possible misspelling
| given the context.
| arcticbull wrote:
| Ah I see you've read our no-return policy
| ggghhhfff wrote:
| I've heard about the bowl-less design pattern a few weeks
| ago, excited to hear that it pans out in real world
| scenarios!
| ftio wrote:
| Ah yes, the old _horizontal scaling_ technique.
| jrockway wrote:
| Hi guys it's me the Fusion 360 Persondudeguy here with a 45
| minute video on how to 3D print yourself one of these at home!
| Start out by opening Fusion 360, and then create a sketch! Then
| press C to draw a circle. Then press C to draw another circle.
| Now you may be wondering how to 3D print this because you're
| subscribed to a channel about 3D printing and somehow need a
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| will make you buy it. Now back to our content. We left off
| where you created two circles that will form the wall of your
| shitbowl! Now you just need to press E to extrude that out! How
| do you remember all these keys? Well it's actually pretty
| simple. C is for circle, because C is kind of shaped like a
| circle. E is for extrude because E is the letter after D, and
| this is the first 3D operation you'll be doing. It's little
| tips and tricks like this that real pros use to become
| productive in complex software products like this. Now that
| your shitbowl is 3D, just print it out. I recommend using
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|
| Am I a millionaire yet?
| hda2 wrote:
| Please cease and desist from infringing on our intellectual
| property (we sell spoons which your product rips off).
|
| We expect you to contact us within 5 business days to settle
| the outstanding licensing fees you owe us as a result of your
| infringement.
| myself248 wrote:
| Anyone else here from the Knockoff Prusa channel?
| encom wrote:
| Unregistered HyperCam 2
| rexreed wrote:
| This is clearly a parody. If you don't understand the joke,
| then the joke's on you.
| [deleted]
| fisherjeff wrote:
| > If you don't understand the joke, then the joke's on you.
|
| Completely agree
| ggghhhfff wrote:
| Parent is joking with the meme of "but I could build this
| produc myself with open source libraries!"
| raunakdag wrote:
| Parent is joking with the meme of " If you don't understand
| the joke, then the joke's on you."
|
| ;)
| Black101 wrote:
| I'm not sure who is kidding... you or the parent comment.
| rexreed wrote:
| That's part of the circular nature of the parody. Maybe I'm
| an investor and this will be the next "Yo" app.
| EdStanyer wrote:
| //just popping down the shop, need anything? while
| (yourout){getsomemilk;} //LOLZ
| rahimiali wrote:
| Little known fact, the PDP11 had a machine instruction that
| implemented shitbowls in the cpu. It's interesting that these
| days you need ruby, a vm, two layers of package managers and
| oauth just for a shotbowl. Also, someone should rewrite this in
| rust.
| spacemanmatt wrote:
| First time caller, long time listener. With a question!
| First, upboats. But what I really wanted to know was: does it
| work under water?
| mikewarot wrote:
| Long ago, I wrote a version of this for OS/2, in Assembler...
| called Forth/2.
|
| There is an interesting parallel idea where you get a large set
| of nesting tupperware containers, and enclose items in between
| the ( <-- bottom and lid ---> ) I heard about it from uncle John
| McCarthy.
| SavageBeast wrote:
| Looks like a nice prototype. In the real world Id like to see
| some basic provisions for type safety though.
|
| If the last thing used was a half drank rocks glass of tequila
| the integrity of the entire cache will be threatened.
|
| * they all sound like "stupid problems" till your boss is calling
| at 3AM because the system is down.
| repsilat wrote:
| Yeah I worry about all the enterprise shit you don't think
| until you need it -- If one bowl goes down, will it fail over
| to another in a different region? In the case of a network
| partition, does my wife get my car?
| qwantim1 wrote:
| If your boss is in your house using your shitbowl.
| twic wrote:
| If your boss is in your house _at 3 AM putting a half drank
| rocks glass of tequila in_ your shitbowl.
| slim wrote:
| your boss sleeps with you
| SavageBeast wrote:
| You're obviously a Straight Shooter, With Upper Management
| Written All Over You!
| ftio wrote:
| /* The PM says this 100% will never happen. */
| tdy721 wrote:
| I've been calling them squirrel spots.
| doodlebugging wrote:
| My personal solution is so much more simple than this shitbowl
| solution and is trivial to implement. I have been using it for
| years and can personally vouch for it's effectiveness and
| scalability.
|
| Skip the bowl entirely.
|
| When you finish with something just set it down. It really DOES
| NOT MATTER WHERE! Honestly.
|
| Set it on a flat surface, under a chair or a pillow, in a
| depression in your yard. Set it on your neighbor's side of the
| fence. It is totally irrelevant where you leave it.
|
| Since it is universally true that you always find something in
| the last place that you look this method that I have employed
| works perfectly EVERY SINGLE TIME and for objects of any physical
| description.
|
| It is impossible to lose something if you are willing to spend
| sufficient time and effort remembering where you put it and
| revisiting that location.
| lvs wrote:
| Do you blog?
| doodlebugging wrote:
| No. I post a bit on reddit and HN from time to time.
| yesenadam wrote:
| I read an much improved version of this, I forget where:
|
| Put things back _in the first place you looked,_ or the first
| place you would look for it.
| pessimizer wrote:
| Sounds like NoSQL. I've heard it speeds up development.
| dreamcompiler wrote:
| I'm working on a quantum version of this. Items placed in the
| bowl may randomly disappear then reappear in a different quantum
| bowl somewhere else in the universe.
|
| We have already seeded the market with test prototypes shaped
| like laundry baskets that are limited to small pieces of cloth
| footwear. But we hope to scale up to Level 5 Flinging of Massive
| Objects (FOMO) before the end of the year.
| joezydeco wrote:
| All Shitbowls possess this feature, it's involved by a simple
| formula of
|
| _(age in bowl x proximity to bottom x urgency of real-time
| need)_
|
| Some items such as padlock keys, unused postage stamps, and
| nearly expired gift cards will override and invoke a quantum
| certainty of 1.0 when they are trying to be located.
| dvtrn wrote:
| I hate to break this to you, but they've beaten you to the
| quantum bowl: I think it was patented some years ago as the
| "latrine". It has the same properties you describe, similar
| properties to the OP's "shitbowl" concept, and can quickly
| deploy artifacts in one button push*.
|
| (Unless your artifact volume exceeds the recommended capacity
| in the readme, also helps to make sure the pipeline has
| sufficient capacity for large deploys to efficiently release to
| the municipal cloud)
| moron4hire wrote:
| I don't see what's wrong with continuing to use shitfloor. It's
| worked well for me for years. I know some people complain about
| breaking their things or sharp pain in their feet (aka Plantar
| Harming Poop) when they step on them, but I've learned to be
| careful about that. And I don't have any friends anyway, so I
| never have to worry about someone coming over who hasn't learned
| to live with shitfloor.
| marcodiego wrote:
| LRU? Looks more like a stack or heap to me.
| aetilley wrote:
| This actually reminded me of
|
| http://www.mysmalt.com/
|
| But I don't think the latter is satire...
| iujjkfjdkkdkf wrote:
| Ok, I am having a really hard time figuring out if that's
| serious or not. I watched the video and it was ridiculous, but
| it all seems to be done with a straight face. But maybe a
| school project or something? It's from 2017 so I assume they
| are now defunct, however it originated.
| exabrial wrote:
| Doesn't support Node or JSON. This is stupid.
| jimnotgym wrote:
| I can't help feeling that what this bowl is really missing is
| machine learning.
|
| By profiling an individual using their online behaviour, and
| using only a small cluster, we could produce a prediction of
| what objects should be sorted to the top of the bowl. Simple
| IOT connectivity could then tell if the right objects are near
| the top and send push notifications to your phone. These would
| warn you that what you thought you wanted next was not what
| your social network would have wanted.
|
| Altogether a much simpler solution
| dmje wrote:
| That requires ShitStack
| jonnycomputer wrote:
| Pull request pending forever. Ugh. The project is great, but the
| culture is terrible.
| 867-5309 wrote:
| if you're going to name it that, surely you'd have to flush the
| cache after every input
| anigbrowl wrote:
| I prefer MyShitNow, a situationally-optimized just-in-time
| solution that combines privacy, speed, and unlimited upside
| potential. With MyShitNow, the world is yours. You're freed from
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|
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| tarr11 wrote:
| The LRU cache is flawed as it never discards items and will
| eventually overflow.
| [deleted]
| wffurr wrote:
| The bowl cache is garbage collected with a stop the world
| collection step wherein the bowl is upended and the contents
| returned, the bottom cleaned, and a few select items pre-seeded
| in the fresh cache.
| phs wrote:
| Overflow actually spills off the top. It's MRU!
| sgtnoodle wrote:
| Yeah, but it spills off onto the table top, which is
| effectively register space.
| troymc wrote:
| If you put the s**bowl on top of an old cash register, it
| overflows into an actual register.
| ogre_codes wrote:
| This is solved by purging the cache once a week.
| soheil wrote:
| What prevents Google from creating its own version of this
| product one day and destroying yours in the process?
| [deleted]
| s314159265358 wrote:
| This is a joke right?
| EdStanyer wrote:
| If the only tool you have is a hammer, then everything looks
| like a nail. I'm sure the OP isn't really proposing to market
| the shit bowl as a receptacle for putting things in with the
| added feature of MRU at the top. However if this takes off I'm
| going to market the utterly shit drawer that instantly sucks
| the most recently used power supply or charging cable to the
| bottom.
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