[HN Gopher] Typing, RSI, and what I do differently
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Typing, RSI, and what I do differently
Author : robotmay
Score : 37 points
Date : 2021-02-11 17:27 UTC (1 days ago)
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| anderspitman wrote:
| My physical therapist's best guess is that I have pinched radial
| nerves in both arms. Things that have helped the most:
|
| 1. Stretches and nerve glides every couple hours.
|
| 2. Ergo keyboard[0], focused on separation so my arms are more
| squared with my body, and on keys that are easy to press (no more
| mechanical keyboard for me).
|
| 3. Foot pedals for CTRL/SHIFT/ALT. I hacked together[1] a custom
| solution with an arduinio and a couple industrial pedals.
|
| My advice is start working with a PT as soon as you notice any
| pain or numbness in your arms or hands. I'm to a sustainable
| point now but I should have taken action months before I did.
| Maybe I could have beat it completely. Still hoping I will at
| some point. You're probably going to need to take some serious
| rest. It can be hard with deadlines or other work pressures, but
| try to think long term.
|
| A gram of prevention is worth a kg of cure.
|
| [0]: https://kinesis-ergo.com/shop/freestyle2-for-pc-us/
|
| [1]: https://github.com/anderspitman/ergo-pedals
| lamename wrote:
| I developed some RSI in my right followed by both wrists/fingers
| last fall due to overuse and poor body/hand/arm posture.
| Thankfully it relieved with lots of rest, but heed your body's
| warnings lest it become permanent!
|
| I took 4 days off in the middle of reaching a deadline just to
| correct my ergo setup, and the rest combined with learning really
| helped.
|
| 1. Take breaks! I know it sucks, I was on a deadline. But you'll
| be cursed with 0 deadlines later (out of work) if you push it too
| far.
|
| 2. A vertical mouse is better than a standard mouse because it
| moves the pressure from your sensitive, soft tissue under your
| wrist to the side. But your arm/wrist isn't immune there either.
| This prevents strain in my wrist now, but during an intense
| period, it doesn't help. Assuming you get the right trackball,
| trackball > vertical mouse > standard 'flat' mouse.
|
| 3. The best sources I've found are a little outdated in terms of
| webpage but in the end helped me immensely! The Cornell Human
| Ergo lab [0] is a big site with lots of useful information,
| namely a quick snapshot of roughly idealized setup with points
| like negative keyboard tilt [1], and a checklist for yourself
| [2].
|
| 4. A trackpad is in some ways better for your arm position than a
| mouse, because it's closer to your body's midline. Of course, a
| track pad can be worse on your fingers/hand.
|
| 5. Your ergo setup and body is a system. Even if you make one
| objectively positive change, this may result in undue pressure on
| another part of your body. Watch your aches and pains and adjust
| each accordingly. This usually takes iteration, or changes
| throughout the day (i.e. time split standing vs. sitting; time
| split using mouse, trackball, pen tablet).
|
| Edit: #6 it goes without saying but is worth emphasizing: get
| regular exercise, sleep, and eat a balanced diet. These 3 go a
| long way. IME even brief brisk walks during breaks were better
| than simple breaks away from the keyboard.
|
| [0] http://ergo.human.cornell.edu/ [1]
| http://ergo.human.cornell.edu/DEA6510/dea6512k/ergo12tips.ht...
| [2] http://ergo.human.cornell.edu/CUVDTChecklist.html
| flarg wrote:
| Fwiw I found dragon dictation software to be a godsend
| esja wrote:
| I've been typing for 36 years now (since I was a child), and have
| never had RSI once, or anything close to it.
|
| I think it's because I never learned to touch-type "properly". I
| use most of my fingers, and I type very fast, but I'm not hitting
| the "correct" keys with the "correct" fingers - I'm just
| following whatever comfortable patterns I've burned into muscle
| memory over all these years.
|
| If someone asked me to describe exactly what I do - where my
| hands and fingers hover, which ones hit which keys, etc., I
| wouldn't be able to answer properly without first filming myself.
|
| I did once try to learn to touch-type "properly". It didn't feel
| comfortable and started to hurt after only doing it for a little
| while, so I stopped.
| robotmay wrote:
| This is very much my experience! When I developed RSI I
| immediately went down the ergo-keyboard route, assuming I had
| been doing something wrong, when in reality it was just the
| change to a laptop for a long time.
|
| It was quite weird filming myself and looking back at it. I
| never even noticed that I regularly hit Y with my left hand,
| for example!
| EvanAnderson wrote:
| I've heard the same story from others, and it's my story too. I
| type fast enough and accurately enough to get ideas out of my
| head. I tried to type "correctly" way back in junior high (on a
| typewriter, no less!) but found that my personal technique
| (developed since first using Apple II's at 8 y/o) worked better
| (even on a real typewriter).
|
| Thirty-six years typing this way and never any pain.
|
| I know what you mean re: the muscle memory being burned in. It,
| no doubt, contributes to my frustration when developers change
| keyboard shortcuts in systems I've used for years. When
| Microsoft decided to change "Log off..." to "Sign out" (in
| Windows 10? 8? I can't recall...) I lost my go-to <CTRL>-<ESC>
| <ESC> <ALT>-<F4> <L> <ENTER> shortcut for logging off. Now I
| have to look at the screen to make sure my <S> isn't getting
| "Switch User", "Sign Out", "Sleep" or "Shutdown". (I guess I
| was the only person in the world who found the keyboard
| shortcuts for those choices being dis-ambiguous to be
| valuable...)
| Diederich wrote:
| I've been typing on a daily basis for the past 41 years. I took
| a typing class 36 years ago, and have continued to type
| probably 90-95% 'properly' ever since. This class paid off by
| the way, and my accurate typing speed peaked at around 140
| words per minute.
|
| Like you, I've been blessed with never having any hint of RSI.
|
| I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but I think the whole
| 'RSI landscape' is, as with most things, very complex,
| including a lot of poorly understood or currently unknown
| factors.
| xyzzy_plugh wrote:
| Interestingly enough I only really touch-type "properly" with
| my left hand and that's the one I experience RSI symptoms in.
| polyterative wrote:
| I had a very bad episode before touche typing and several less
| severe after colemak. Sheer workload seems to be the cause
| eimrine wrote:
| I saw the gif from your website and you are not touchtyping.
| robotmay wrote:
| Er, I am touchtyping, unless we have very different
| understandings of the term. I look at the screen when typing,
| or can type whilst holding a conversation with somebody. I can
| even look at the screen whilst holding a camera under my chin
| in order to film it ;)
| eimrine wrote:
| As a touchtypist, I can not understand how can you touchtype
| while not holding your index fingers on FJ keys with sensible
| relief. I feel very uncomfortable if neither left nor right
| index finger touches those keys. And instead of having rest
| on the buttons, your fingers are flying, which is ridiculous
| from my point of view and requires an unusual level of
| stamina. Sorry if I am wrong, just the animation is very
| different from my experience.
| nickjj wrote:
| > In my personal experience I found home-row typing to actually
| be unergonomic mostly because of the additional bend required
| from moving both hands closer together.
|
| I've always thought this too.
|
| I've been typing a lot since about 1996 and never got into home
| row typing. It never felt natural or comfortable and I don't have
| abnormally sized hands either. It just felt like going against
| the system.
|
| I don't want to jinx myself but over the decades I've experienced
| no pain or issues with any joints or muscles but I've always made
| sure no matter what desk I used my forearms were parallel to the
| floor and my wrists were effortlessly resting in front of the
| keyboard. I think this aspect cannot be ignored, especially for
| long sessions.
|
| Then for typing style I mainly move my hands around while I type
| with my all of my fingers except pinky fingers. Where like 80% of
| typing is done with thumbs, index and middle fingers. Overall I
| have lots of hand movement and can type without looking for just
| about all key presses (except some combos) at about 70-75 wpm
| with good accuracy.
|
| Based on his video, my hands move probably 2x more from side to
| side but the overall style is kind of similar. It's also similar
| in the sense that my right hand moves more than my left.
| MAGZine wrote:
| this rings true actually.
|
| I had a friend who typed with just the three fingers on the
| right hand while the left hand hovered all of the most
| essential letters with all five fingers. it seemed to work
| pretty well to just have one hand hunting around the keyboard.
| That said, it might making correct shift-usage correct which
| can negatively affect the other hand.
|
| That being said, I have my laptop on my lap right now and if I
| have one hand on home row, and the other hand just kind of idly
| floating over the right side of the keyboard, when you go to
| place the fingers on home row, you can really feel in the wrist
| and forearm the muscles pulling the hand "outward," in relation
| to the rest of the arm. This, incidentally, is where a lot of
| my RSI-type pain has come from.
|
| The elbows going out, fore arms craning inwards, and then the
| wrist pulling to straighten the hands back out is a recipe for
| pain.
| robotmay wrote:
| The thing that always confused me about home-row typing is that
| it seems oddly hard to hit Enter. My only guess to that is that
| it works better with an ANSI keyboard than with an ISO
| keyboard.
|
| I also found I type rarely with my pinkies, and in fact I do
| pretty much only use them for Ctrl + Shift. Using the Shift on
| the opposite hand from the target key most of the time took
| some practice but I think lends itself well to not having to
| over-stretch the pinkies :)
| 5tefan wrote:
| I never learned touch typing. I am a free floater myself. Rather
| trying to split the load evenly between my hands. Touch typing
| position puts a strain on my wrist.
|
| Incidentally I also own a Topre board. I also have my trackball
| to the left and I have to reach out less to move the pointer. To
| the right I would have to cover additional distance and the arrow
| keys and num pad... I felt that in my shoulder, hence the change
| to the left.
|
| I also don't hate myself if I make a break or typying more slowly
| occasionally.
| ericbarrett wrote:
| I had a brief but serious bout of RSI in my right wrist in my
| early 30s. Ergo keyboards and novel typing layouts didn't help at
| all, nor did a wrist brace. What eventually relieved it was a
| trackball (which the author of this article also used) and a
| wrist pad for that hand. I avoided normal mouses, trackpads, and
| the IBM/Lenovo "mouse nipple," going so far as to bring my
| trackball with my laptop.
|
| I've switched back long since, for precision, but the RSI never
| returned. Definitely check out trackballs if keyboard mitigations
| aren't helping.
|
| Also, buy wrist rest pads!
| Xevi wrote:
| Which trackball did you use? I have tried almost every
| different kind of ergonomic keyboard / mouse alleviate my pain,
| but I haven't tried trackballs yet.
| robotmay wrote:
| I have a Logitech MX Ergo which I quite like, which is a
| thumb trackball. I'm not sure how that compares to finger-
| trackballs though as I've never owned one, but a few friends
| have things like the Kensington one and like it a lot.
| Xevi wrote:
| Alright, thanks. I've looked at that mouse before but I'm
| afraid that the ball will wear out my thumb even more.
| Maybe it's worth a shot though, or maybe I should go for
| one of those Kensington trackballs that you use your whole
| hand with.
| robotmay wrote:
| Yeah it's a shame they're all quite expensive really and
| thus quite hard to try a few different ones longer term.
| A vertical mouse might also be worth investigating
| perhaps?
|
| One thing I like about the MX Ergo is that it's very easy
| to use reclined with it on your chest, which sounds odd
| but can be good when you're just clicking about.
| throwaway_moo wrote:
| This is not excellent advice regarding the keyboard used.
| Instead:
|
| - learn about the risk factors: https://kinesis-
| ergo.com/solutions/keyboard-risk-factors/ Keep in mind that there
| are hundreds of tendons in our hands, so the pattern of
| inflammation is very personal. Anecdotes are not your friend.
|
| - use split keyboards (or any ergo keyboard with enough space
| between hands) with inclination to limit pronation
|
| - use ortholinear (aka matrix) key layout
|
| - use the Dvorak layout
|
| - avoid hard/mechanical keys
|
| - exercise and stretch every 30 mins
| accelbred wrote:
| Typing on ortholinear is quite uncomfortable for me. I find
| column staggered to be far better. Also why would someone
| learning a new layout pick Dvorak when there are better
| alternatives like Colemak, Workman, or Colemak mod-DH? Theres
| softer mechanical keys too like silenced linears.
| lawn wrote:
| While I agree with your points I'll add that Dvorak is far from
| the ultimate layout. For instance just try to type 'ls', which
| as a command-line user you'll do a lot.
|
| People are different and will prefer different layouts. Colemak
| DH is a very popular and very good one, if you dislike using
| your pinkies the BEAKL style layouts are very good and if you
| have a split keyboard you might want E on one of the thumbs so
| RSTHD might be good. There are many, many more and you can also
| tweak them or create a completely new one.
|
| Oh I'll add tenting as a good thing explore.
| eimrine wrote:
| Your argument about Dvorak is far from the ultimate layout
| because of "ls" utility is strange. I think it is really best
| layout and in regular typing "ls" is rare. If "ls" case
| bothers you, you can just add an alias. What you can not get
| in any other layout is alteration of right and left hands,
| that is what makes Dvorak ultimate.
| Symbiote wrote:
| alias h=ls alias hh='ls -l'
|
| Job done.
|
| I strongly disagree that Dvorak is "far from the ultimate
| layout". Compared to Qwerty, the differences between most of
| these ergonomic layouts is minor, so there's no reason to
| discourage someone from using Dvorak.
|
| My immediate minor criticism of Colemak-DH is typing "the",
| or specifically "he".
|
| It's a "backwards roll" of the fingers: typing ASDF on Qwerty
| is easier than typing FDSA, but "HE" on Colemak-DH is a
| common digraph in the wrong direction.
|
| (On Dvorak, "THE" is equivalent to typing "KJD" on Qwerty,
| i.e. the "TH"/"KJ" is in the correct direction.)
| robotmay wrote:
| The article does address both split keyboards and ortho-linear
| layouts. I disagree with both, personally.
|
| Interestingly the Kinesis article you link supports the
| arguments I make in the article, but their solution is
| obviously a split keyboard because that's what they sell,
| rather than offering an alternative typing style. My typing
| style avoids all the risks they identify.
| throwaway_moo wrote:
| > My typing style avoids all the risks they identify.
|
| From the article: "This is the Way"
|
| Also: "The hands should move freely over the keyboard"
|
| These are good examples of why we should not listen to advice
| based on a single example of RSI and contradicts the
| conclusion "no universal solution for everybody"
|
| A lot of people experience contraction and sometimes pains in
| the shoulders, trapezium, arms due to moving the hands over
| the keyboard instead of not doing so.
|
| It's a well documented problem.
| robotmay wrote:
| Ah perhaps it's not clear enough that those 3 items are my
| own ideals and I wouldn't claim them to be correct for
| everybody. The article exists precisely because I was
| seeing comments arguing entirely to the contrary, such as
| "movement is bad", which I know to be wrong for me.
|
| There is a lot of cognitive bias towards the one way of
| solving RSI (buy an ergonomic keyboard) which then
| frustrates those for whom it doesn't work. I'm hoping to
| offer a different experience which worked for me.
| jarnagin wrote:
| A lot of people really underestimate the impact that mobility and
| strengthening can have addressing issues with RSI. If you're
| struggling with RSI, consider going to physical therapy as your
| condition may be caused by a wide variety of issues that aren't
| obvious based on the pain you're having.
|
| My own experience was that I dealt with ulnar nerve RSI for about
| a year. During that time I wore braces at night and tried just
| about every keyboard and keyboard layout imaginable, and at best
| I managed to keep it at bay. When I finally made up my mind to go
| to physical therapy I learned that:
|
| 1. I had postural issues which led to trapping the ulnar nerve in
| my shoulder (not my wrist, that was just where the pain referred
| to)
|
| 2. I had deep myofascial issues that were preventing my muscles
| and nerve from moving freely in my arm
|
| 3. I had poor mobility which was contributing to decreased
| function overall
|
| Where I thought I had a localized problem in my wrist, it turned
| out I had a systemic problem which required strengthening through
| my entire arm, shoulder, back, neck, and core. I resolved these
| issues through physical therapy and my ulnar RSI hasn't returned
| since, though I now maintain an exercise routine that focuses on
| mobility. I still use an ergonomic keyboard, but I'm now
| convinced that the issue can't really be solved with gear.
| vgel wrote:
| Same, I had horrible RSI in my wrists and went to a hand
| therapist (just a physical therapist who specializes in hands).
| She made me some thermoformed wrist braces to wear at night and
| gave me wrist massages which felt awesome, but the main thing
| she did was prescribe a set of simple wrist exercises which
| take about 2 minutes to do. I did them every day and my RSI is
| much better. I still can't do certain things that require 90deg
| wrist bends that support a lot of weight (mostly pushups), and
| I'm planning to go back after covid to continue improving, but
| I can actually type fine for 8 hour+ stretches at a time with 0
| pain afterwards.
|
| Most of the ergonomic typing stuff I see online is 100% bunk
| IMO. People spend tons of money and time on ergonomic keyboards
| and relearning how to type on different layouts just to buy
| wrist rests and type with their hands tilted up 15 degrees.
| Eek.
| azinman2 wrote:
| What are the exercises?
| AQuantized wrote:
| What sort of exercises do you do to help with this? I've been
| finding it very hard to work on shoulder strength, especially
| the scapula, without just impinging it more
| Xevi wrote:
| I'm also interested in knowing this. On top of that I would
| like to know how often they exercise and for how long. I
| found that doing strength training helps a bit, but the
| relief I get from it is only temporary. I try to do it a bit
| every day but I guess I could increase the amount each day.
| jarnagin wrote:
| I actually needed a few weeks of body work and mild exercises
| to teach me how to correctly engage my scapula before I
| graduated into more rigorous exercise, and I still require
| work to keep my infraspinatus from feeling like a steel
| cable. Things that helped the most:
|
| - Prone T's/I's - Cat Cows with thoracic spine emphasis -
| Child's pose - Open Books - Supine Chin Tucks - Dead
| bugs/Bird dogs - Upper trapezius stretch - Levator scapulae
| stretch - Quadruped open book - Foam rolling back (every few
| days)
|
| These all caused pain at various points, but as I learned to
| keep my shoulder rooted in the socket and learned how to
| correctly engage my scapula (pull down and back rather than
| up and back) I was able to do them without pain. I also
| learned to listen to my body and skip things for as long as
| needed when I wasn't feeling right. Pushing through nerve
| pain just leads to more pain. Your body will adjust
| eventually, but it will do it at its own pace.
|
| EDIT:
|
| 1. Exercise frequency: daily/as tolerated
|
| 2. I also scrape the muscles in my inner forearms with a
| fascia release tool (butterknife, but you can find real ones
| online) a few times a week and this helps tremendously.
| robotmay wrote:
| I can heartily recommend folk music and ridiculous
| instruments ;)
|
| But more seriously, I did tai-chi in the past and found that
| a very reasonable low-impact way of developing strength in
| various areas.
| LukeShu wrote:
| Copying an older post that I wrote
| (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20665338) in case it helps
| anyone (as the OP writes, there's " _no universal solution for
| everybody_ "):
|
| ----
|
| I (25yo), also had pain in my right pinky and wrist, starting
| about 2 years ago.
|
| I spoke with a friend who had surgery for Carpel Tunnel Syndrome,
| and knew a lot more about this than me. What he told me:
|
| * Carpel Tunnel Syndrome affects the thumb/index-finger; pain in
| the pinky side of your hand could be caused by the ulnar tunnel
| or the cubital tunnel.
|
| * He does sets of 10 of these stretches every hour
| https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cl-rpkmgPqI/UeUWdH4oMUI/AAAAAAAAA...
| https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8a/a4/2c/8aa42cc5c059cabf9aeb...
|
| * "One of the biggest things you can do is splint your wrist at
| night. This is one of the best wrist braces I've found:
| https://www.amazon.com/Mueller-Fitted-Wrist-Brace-Number/dp/... "
|
| My experience:
|
| - I got a foot pedal, and put Alt, Ctrl, Shift, and Enter on it
| (and for a while pulled those keycaps off the right side of my
| keyboard, to force myself to learn to use the foot pedal). This
| allowed me to keep using a computer while I recovered, and
| allowed me to avoid stressing my pinky after I recovered. I wrote
| a bit about that on Reddit
| https://reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/7remed/has_anybody_used_... .
|
| - The tendon gliding exercises were very helpful. The other
| stretches didn't seem to make much difference. While I was
| recovering, I tried to do them hourly. I now only do them if it's
| acting up.
|
| - I second his endorsement of those wrist braces. When using
| them, I wear them at night, and when typing if I can (I can use a
| desk keyboard with them, but can't use my laptop with them).
| While I was recovering, I used them all the time, now I only use
| them if it's acting up.
|
| - More recently, I got a Keyboardio Model 01, which puts the
| modifiers on the thumbs, not the pinkies. The foot pedal is
| entirely unnecessary with it; it puts much less strain on my
| hands.
|
| Nowadays, my wrist acts up maybe once a month or two.
| shocks wrote:
| IME wrist braces don't help, they just lead to muscle atrophy.
|
| I picked up rock climbing and my RSI hasn't come back since.
| LukeShu wrote:
| I suspect that most of the value I got from them was wearing
| them while sleeping, in that they protect the blood flow to
| my wrists from being cut off by me lying on my arms.
| d6e wrote:
| My doctor said the same thing. Only use braces while
| sleeping.
| twobitshifter wrote:
| I recently bought a Microsoft ergonomic keyboard. It's a split
| design but still one piece. It took me about a week to get used
| to. As a touch typist I had one key that Microsoft stuck on the
| left, that I type with the right, B, which is dead center on the
| bottom row on a usual keyboard. I don't know which hand it
| canonically belongs to but it didn't take me long to switch.
|
| I purchased this more proactively and it's probably unnecessary.
| I did get RSI symptoms while working preCOVID. When I switched to
| work from home, I used my Microsoft media keyboard and Logitech
| mxMaster mouse. The RSI went away. We briefly returned to the
| office and within a week I was getting pain in my right hand
| again. The office mouse was a cheap flatter Logitech mouse with
| no tilt or thumb test. I believe that mousing about was the
| actual cause of my RSI and that the improved grip of the mxMaster
| was enough to fix it. Like OP sometimes it can just be small
| changes.
| test1235 wrote:
| supposedly the b key belongs to the left 'cos columnally(?)
| it's below the g key
| dwdz wrote:
| I'm using this[1] and I love it. Adding 1 column of spacing
| between two hands is real game changer. I've tried Colemak and
| Workman before but I found qwerty-wide to be more comfortable
| than both of them. It's also much easier to learn, especially if
| you're Vim user.
|
| [1] https://www.keyboard-
| design.com/letterlayout.html?layout=qwe...
| ping_pong wrote:
| I guess everyone is different. For me, laptops especially the
| MacBook help. The mouse was the problem for me, and when I
| started getting RSI over 20 years ago, I discovered that when I
| used a pen-type mouse, everything cleared away. It was because I
| was using the mouse at the side of the keyboard and that was
| causing my wrist to twist, which ended up aggravating the nerve
| in the wrist that ran up and down my arm.
|
| I ended up typing on an ergonomic keyboard, with my mouse in the
| middle. Whenever I need my mouse, I would push away my keyboard
| and use the mouse where the mouse is right in the center with my
| hand slightly askew at a similar angle to where I write with a
| pencil. This prevented the nerve from being twisted, and my RSI
| has largely gone away since then.
|
| The MacBook keyboard with the mousepad also in the middle seems
| to work well for me as well. The main thing is ensuring I don't
| twist my hand away away from my body that causes the nerve to get
| compressed.
| superjan wrote:
| By far the best ergonomics advice I got was: do what feels
| natural to you. For me that's a trackball, and home row typing
| with my lower arms resting on the table. I have had episodes
| where I was dangerously close to RSI, but after that last piece
| of advice those troubles were over. For a while, I stockpiled
| Trackman marble trackballs, but the MX ergo is finally a good
| successor. Split keyboards did not make that much difference. And
| watch out with weak laptop keyboards: if the keys go too easy,
| you increase muscle tension to avoid typos.
| melling wrote:
| First saw this Using Python to Code by Voice almost 8 years ago.
|
| https://youtu.be/8SkdfdXWYaI
|
| I'm disappointed that we've gone nowhere in that time.
|
| Anyone with early symptoms could use voice as an option, or
| partial option.
| lunixbochs wrote:
| We've gone places in that time. There's Talon (my full time
| project), Dragonfly/Caster, and Serenade at least. Voicecode
| also came and went.
|
| My goal with Talon is to give people at all ability/pain levels
| a high quality free keyboard/mouse alternative - you can use it
| preventatively, or if you start to feel discomfort, or if you
| can't type at all.
|
| I also linked some more recent talks / blog posts in this
| comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26118864
| elanning wrote:
| I have suffered from fairly bad RSI/tendonitis issues since my
| early 20s. Now a days I have a split keyboard and use wasd keys
| for my mouse, which is slower, but causes less pain. I would not
| wish this kind of pain on anyone. It has greatly negatively
| impacted my life. Hopefully future treatments will give some
| help, the current treatments are very lackluster.
| Xevi wrote:
| That makes two of us. For the last year I have considered
| abandoning my job as a developer. 8 hours in front of the
| computer 5 days a week really wears you down. I do find
| temporary relief after having exercised. But the pain quickly
| returns if I start working again, even if I have a standing
| desk, ergonomic keyboard, touchpad and mouse.
| elanning wrote:
| Sorry to hear. I hope you find something that works for you.
| I wish I could help, but like me, I'm sure you've already
| researched most solutions.
| Xevi wrote:
| Yes I spent a considerable amount of money to upgrade my
| workstation to be more ergonomic. But I still have a lot of
| things left to try. It kind of hurts to spend $400+ for a
| single keyboard though, haha.
|
| I have even thought about buying a Mac just to be able to
| use the built-in Voice Control feature. But they are really
| expensive, and the new Mac Mini didn't have enough ports
| for my monitors.
| lunixbochs wrote:
| My project, Talon, is free and cross platform. It might
| have some options that can help you:
| https://talonvoice.com
|
| Some blog posts:
|
| - https://www.joshwcomeau.com/blog/hands-free-coding/
|
| -
| https://www.admiralbumblebee.com/music/2021/01/18/Reaper-
| Day...
|
| - http://nsaphra.github.io/post/hands/
|
| Some talks:
|
| - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKYWt8B9hgs
|
| - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKuRkGkf5HU
|
| - https://media.ccc.de/v/rc3-11436-accessible_input_for_r
| eader...
| Bishop_ wrote:
| Yup, I have had tendonitis in my forearms since I was 19, hurts
| pretty much all the time. Still not sure if i'm ever going to
| get rid of it or if I need to just keep dealing with it.
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