[HN Gopher] AWS Outposts 2021: Stories for Folks Who Love Spread...
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AWS Outposts 2021: Stories for Folks Who Love Spreadsheets
Author : jen20
Score : 30 points
Date : 2021-01-30 18:04 UTC (4 hours ago)
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| tyingq wrote:
| This worked for me: https://outline.com/aey3xV
| thom wrote:
| You can't read Medium without an app or logging in anymore?!
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| wmf wrote:
| I was able to read it but I have various ad-blocking and
| paywall-busting extensions installed.
| ibatindev wrote:
| For me, uBlock Origin with JavaScript disabled works all the
| time.
| baskire wrote:
| Outposts might be priced higher to reduce demand. Allowing them
| time to iron out the kinks.
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| It's a common pattern where you aren't yet ready to scale up to
| handle the demand at a lower price point.
| boulos wrote:
| Disclosure: I work on Google Cloud.
|
| Adam's conclusion:
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| > I understand why customers want Outposts. Despite the grousing
| in this post, I'm an AWS fan and have tremendous respect for
| their rate of innovation. Customers want API-driven
| infrastructure, the flexibility and speed of development that it
| provides. Traditional on-premises vendors, most concisely
| represented by the EMC/Dell/VMware conglomerate, have failed to
| evolve their way into this experience which is why the hardware
| and software from the hyperscalers (including Outposts) looks
| quite different. Customers are faced with a literal dilemma: on
| one hand they can continue buying the moderately priced,
| expensive to operate, inefficient to use, legacy gear from
| Dell/HPE/etc or they can pay exorbitantly for something like AWS
| Outposts. The former is throwing good money after bad, investing
| in an ecosystem that has continued to underdeliver; the latter
| cedes more and more control to AWS and locks them into an
| unaffordable future.
|
| is a big reason for why I cared about making GKE on-prem / bare
| metal a thing: I don't believe (most) customers on-prem want to
| buy new hardware from a cloud provider. They mostly want to have
| consistent API-driven infrastructure with their hybrid cloud
| setup, and don't want to burn their millions of dollars of
| equipment to the ground to do so.
|
| I recognize that Oxide's bet is that customers will prefer to
| stay on-premises if they can get cheaper / "better" hardware.
| That's an interesting thesis! But many folks really want nothing
| to do with owning and managing infrastructure, they just feel
| forced to do so (and I agree with Adam here, it's non trivially
| about the economics).
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| Edit to add: I commonly troll people with dell.com _list_ prices,
| combined with colo provider cost of power, percentage spare,
| redundant networking. A pile of boxes != Cloud, but that is what
| companies want to compare to (the crossing point is not same
| cost, but it's also not some huge integer multiple if your cost
| of infrastructure matters to you; for some businesses
| infrastructure costs do not matter, anymore than their power bill
| does).
| wmf wrote:
| Anthos certainly has a different (one might say opposite)
| approach to Outposts. I was surprised that Anthos apparently
| doesn't use the GCE hypervisor, control plane, or Container-
| Optimized OS. Is the customer fully responsible for hardware
| management, OS/hypervisor installation/management, patching,
| etc? Does all that work end up negating the benefits of
| consistent API-driven infrastructure?
| baskire wrote:
| Anthos is closer to openstack than the cloud on-prem.
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| The appeal of cloud is so much more than software and apis.
| marcinzm wrote:
| In my experience, AWS tends to price things high to begin with
| and then lower the price with time rather than risking
| underpricing a thing. I can imagine that support costs can be
| quiet high with a service like this.
| wmf wrote:
| The $80K rack overhead pays for the AWS control plane. You can't
| get a _working, fully managed_ OpenStack or vCloud installation
| for $27K /year. Every "private cloud" available now is overpriced
| shit. Outposts is designed to be cheaper than its competition,
| not radically cheap.
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| Also, does the $80K rack overhead include switches? That's around
| $30K. Does it include EBS? etc.
| ec109685 wrote:
| With AWS, you are only leasing the system for 3 years, so the
| $30k comparison for the switch isn't apples to apples.
| trhway wrote:
| It sounds on the scale of Oracle Exadata, not surprising given
| the same target large enterprise and government customer.
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