[HN Gopher] Playing with My Son (2014)
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Playing with My Son (2014)
Author : Tomte
Score : 44 points
Date : 2021-01-29 09:49 UTC (1 days ago)
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| tgb wrote:
| I have an embarrassing question: can people actually beat Mario
| games without arcane knowledge of short cuts? I tried Super Mario
| World and literally struggle to get through the second world.
| Every stage is a try, try again affair. Am I just crap? I've
| haven't shied away from tough games but man Mario crushes me and
| I feel like it's targeted at kids.
| jpdaigle wrote:
| I have the same problem: I tried in 2020 to play the games of
| my childhood (Super Mario Bros 3 being a favourite) on an
| emulator, and I keep dying in the early, easy, levels. I'm 30
| years older than when I first played the game, am I that much
| worse? Maybe.
|
| NES platformers rely on precise timing, and the controls just
| _feel_ sluggish and laggy. I can absolutely believe that some
| combination of delays introduced by the bluetooth stack for the
| controller, the OS' input event queue, the emulator itself, and
| the whole modern video pipeline add up to a few frames worth of
| delay compared to the original game drawing itself on a CRT.
| wsc981 wrote:
| Back when I was a kid, I found most of the Super Mario World
| SNES game doable with some practice, but there was some really
| hard stuff in the Star Road Special [0], I don't think I
| finished that part.
|
| But just finishing the game and beating Bowser as a kid,
| definitely did that.
|
| P.S.: If you know one of the secret spots in the second world
| (near top ghost house), you can get practically unlimited
| power-ups (flowers, feathers, mushrooms and a Yoshi) and lives.
|
| ---
|
| [0]: https://www.mariowiki.com/Special_Zone
| licebmi__at__ wrote:
| Regarding super mario world, I think is doable. I was able to
| get it all done by myself when I was a kid, and I don't
| consider myself some hardcore gamer, in fact, SMW is the only
| mario game I managed to finish, but probably I wouldn't be able
| to do so today.
| jon-wood wrote:
| Yes, but that's because as a 10 year old I spent many, many
| hours with a friend playing it on the original NES. Even 25
| years on I can still clear the first couple of worlds without
| really thinking about it.
|
| Games back the were really hard, especially without any sort of
| saving, there's no shame in finding them difficult.
| bryanrasmussen wrote:
| someone must have beat it to learn the arcane knowledge of
| short cuts.
| Tomte wrote:
| I'm in the same boat. Almost all Nintendo games are too hard
| for me. My girlfriend just breezes through.
|
| Also other games. I'm just a bad player and have to find games
| that are fun nonetheless (Crusader Kings III), or very easy.
|
| Food for thought: https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/easy-mode-
| guilt
| zrail wrote:
| I'm terrible at basically every game except very casual phone
| games (ex: It's Literally Just Lawn Mowing, an entirely real
| iOS game).
|
| I get frustrated and impatient with my lack of progress and
| give up, which is of course entirely a personal problem. My
| wife loves video games though and I'm sure will bring our
| children up right.
| andi999 wrote:
| I just realized why I am bad at them. I play defensively,
| like clearing all the enemies then move on. This is much
| harder than move fast hit everything and you will be fine.(at
| least Zelda and Mario Galaxy are like that)
| kop316 wrote:
| I assume you mean for the SNES. I grew up playing Super Mario
| World, and while I would argue to be able to 100% it requires
| this knowledge (IIRC that's how they encouraged you to
| subscribe to Nintendo Power), but just going to beat the game
| was not terribly difficult.
|
| But it could also be because I grew up playing them, I'm used
| to the gameplay style. Some newer games are like you describe,
| I cannot get past some levels and I quit in frustration.
| base698 wrote:
| Yes, my wife and I actually played through without chests in
| the last decade. It's quite a fun experiment and yes it is
| difficult.
| FillardMillmore wrote:
| I think you're thinking of Super Mario Bros. 3.
| KozmoNau7 wrote:
| I beat Super Mario World and Yoshi's Island legit with no crazy
| shortcuts or save state scumming, with 100% in Yoshi's Island.
| I didn't play them as a kid when they came out, but as an
| early-20s adult through emulation, and while SMW was difficult,
| it never felt unfair or impossible. Yoshi's Island is more like
| a story, not really that difficult, it's probably my all-time
| favorite game overall.
|
| A Link to the Past was _significantly_ harder to beat.
|
| Earlier NES-era and older games could be absolutely punishing.
| The original Metroid is bonkers hard and Super Mario Bros. 3 is
| _much_ harder than Super Mario World.
|
| I think it's a matter of acclimatization. I grew up playing
| mostly platform games (mostly on PC), which I think has given
| me an innate sense of how the 2D world physics and interactions
| work most of the time. I remember the jump to 3D games being
| like learning to ride a bicycle all over again.
|
| Fun addendum: because I grew up playing Commander Keen and Duke
| Nukem and so on, using directional keys with my right hand is
| hard-wired for me, I simply cannot do it with my left hand, and
| I'm actually left-handed. I can use a mouse equally well with
| both hands, but I just can't do WASD normally for 3D games. I
| have to remap and flip the controls to IJKL. Today I just play
| most games with a controller, aside from FPS games.
| tgb wrote:
| Interestingly, I was going to blame my inadequacies at Mario
| on having grown up only playing PC games and therefore
| relatively little in the way of platformers. I'm not sure
| there was a big-name platformer for PC was released in my
| entire formative years, and if it was, I certainly didn't
| play it.
|
| Link to the Past was also quite hard, but I cheated at that
| (abusing the saving/loading from the Switch emulator version)
| so I can't compare. But I blamed it's difficulty on its old-
| fashioned controls: you can't attack in a direction unless
| you move in that direction. I find this extremely frustrating
| and limited after playing more modern top-down action games
| like Hotline Miami.
| dustymcp wrote:
| We are replaying it now and its brutal :)
| eloisant wrote:
| Some people can.
|
| I was a kid during the SNES/Megadrive era, and I didn't beat
| most of my games. That's fine. Since there were no saves for
| platformers, you would play from the start each time, and get
| better.
|
| Sometimes you would get further than you usually go, so you
| would discover new content, and it was harder, the thrill was
| really nice.
|
| Then when you finally beat a game, the feeling of
| accomplishment was really awesome. Something to brag with your
| friends during recess. Because most games weren't meant to be
| finished by the average player, finishing one really meant
| something.
| Igelau wrote:
| But can he use a can opener?
| dustymcp wrote:
| This is why i built an arcade machine loaded with Sega,med,snes
| All the gamepads for each er started on Sega Master system tho
| but same idea, on a side note gaming was brutal back then! :)
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| ChrisKnott wrote:
| An enjoyable read but I couldn't stop thinking of this Onion
| article https://www.theonion.com/cool-dad-raising-daughter-on-
| media-...
|
| My son is 6 months. The only non-negotiable part of his media
| diet will be the LucasArts point-and-clicks.
| watwut wrote:
| Kids are introduced to media of their generation by their
| friends. No matter what you do, you can't do that, because you
| are not their peer.
|
| In order for then to be out of touch from their generation, you
| would also had to isolate them from peers basically. Other then
| that, influencing media they use and hobbies they have is just
| run off mill parenting most parents engage in at least to some
| extend.
| vulcan01 wrote:
| > Kids are introduced to media of their generation by their
| friends
|
| Look, this is somewhat true. But as a kid, I assure you that
| parents who treat their children like best friends (like my
| dad does) are very capable of influencing their kid's
| interests. Forcing or pressuring a kid into doing x never
| works long-term.
| watwut wrote:
| Yes, I said so in second paragraph. And there is nothing
| wrong with that. It also won't make you out of touch from
| peers nor harm your social development. No matter how
| unusual your parents hobby or interests, parents making you
| interested does not do harm.
|
| The social harm can potentially happen if parent is
| preventing contact with peers and their culture too much.
| vulcan01 wrote:
| > The social harm can potentially happen if parent is
| preventing contact with peers and their culture too much.
|
| Yep. But, the best thing my parents ever did for me was
| not allowing me to use a phone until I was 16. I still
| had a laptop I could communicate with friends from, but
| the physical barrier to constant communication was
| incredibly important to help me not develop an addiction
| to all things internet.
| FriedrichN wrote:
| If my kids are anything like me, they have zero chance of
| fitting in anyway. I feel that is a sentiment that might be
| shared by a lot of people on this site.
| auslegung wrote:
| Before we got married I told my (now) wife of some of the
| experiments I had planned for my future children, and she made it
| clear in no uncertain terms that I was never to do any sort of
| strange experiment on our children :( I married her anyway lol
| dang wrote:
| A thread from 2017: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14489423
| Zafner wrote:
| As a middle-aged man with no real workout plan up to a couple of
| years ago who's now going through a blood pressure scare, this
| idea of scaring your kid away from physical activity, even in
| jest, feels like the first half of a horror story.
| JKCalhoun wrote:
| I can relate though. I suck at sports and was worried I would
| have sports-minded kids.
|
| Nonetheless, I raised my kids on a diet of geocaching, bike
| riding, hiking, skiing and other outdoor activities in addition
| to the more sedentary variety.
| ip26 wrote:
| I always sucked at sports and wasn't motivated to improve.
| But neglecting fitness was one of my biggest mistakes. I hope
| to instill some sports into my kids. Getting them into math
| and science will be the easy part. The apple doesn't fall far
| from the tree.
| weeboid wrote:
| Bro but what is his COD KDR
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