[HN Gopher] Google Cloud announces VM Manager: Operate large Com...
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Google Cloud announces VM Manager: Operate large Compute Engine
fleets with ease
Author : alexrustic
Score : 84 points
Date : 2021-01-28 17:27 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| XorNot wrote:
| My only question is if this is getting an AWS-like key-value
| store tied into their KMS offering? The big value of AWS System
| Manager was actually just having a secure key-value store tied
| into AWS IAM auth.
| zachberger wrote:
| Like the GCP Secrets Manager?
|
| https://cloud.google.com/secret-manager
| ransom1538 wrote:
| I just get some random hard to debug crash. Is this production
| ready?
|
| [root@docker-test-image-1 ~]# sudo systemctl status google-
| osconfig-agent
|
| ...
|
| Started Google OSConfig Agent. Jan 28 20:25:22 docker-test-
| image-1 OSConfigAgent[25491]: 2021-01-28T20:25:22.8732Z
| OSConfigAgent Info: OSConfig Agent (versi> Jan 28 20:25:26
| docker-test-image-1 OSConfigAgent[25491]:
| 2021-01-28T20:25:26.2589Z OSConfigAgent Error inventory.go:57:
| pack> Jan 28 20:35:33 docker-test-image-1 OSConfigAgent[25491]:
| 2021-01-28T20:35:33.3380Z OSConfigAgent Error inventory.go:57:
| pack>
| WaxProlix wrote:
| A lot like AWS Systems Manager, it seems.
| kristianpaul wrote:
| AWS took years to launch Cloud Shell, and now Google is catching
| up with System Manager equivalent. Fair cloud!
| Twirrim wrote:
| I wouldn't be hugely surprised to find out there's a Gartner
| points requirement for such features.
|
| Underneath that magic quadrant graph that Gartner publish each
| year is a scoring system, x and y features are worth 1 point, w
| and z features are worth 3 points, etc. etc. Typically that's
| based on what other clouds are already doing, but in some
| places they attempt to push features that way based on what
| their market research indicates customers want.
|
| Clouds know what they'll be evaluated on about a year before
| they're evaluated, so they know what features they need to
| build during the year. Evaluation time is coming up for clouds,
| so you should expect to see a bunch of features announced over
| the next few months :)
| logicslave wrote:
| Google cloud is trash
| idclip wrote:
| Aah, i cant trust google services anymore, sadly. More so if
| critical.
|
| I even treat my own gmail account with resignation these days.
|
| My Picasa, my rss, my google chat.
|
| Am i wrong to have never touched these cloud services?
|
| I prefer dedicated servers even over AWS, too.
|
| Edit: spellink
|
| Edit2: people downvoting me to hell .. i have to defend my
| internet points a bit here ..
|
| How should i treat these google services if not with this
| nihilism? Amazon isn't killing products.
|
| Ill admit to liking kube, but mostly because its open source and
| "out there" where no one can kill it. Google publishing stuff
| thats 100% in its control sends a shiver down my long-term-
| service thinking. Add "Fleets" to it and i get a sense of dread
| at the thought.
| marcinzm wrote:
| There's valid concerns about Google Cloud support (or lack
| thereof), Google account shutdowns without notice/recourse and
| Google price increases (ie: maps, kubernetes). Google shutting
| down cloud given its massive revenue and likely many long term
| contracts with horrible penalty clauses isn't I feel a valid
| concern.
| google234123 wrote:
| Amazon has killed many products/services over the years...
| baskire wrote:
| Such as?
| orf wrote:
| Yes you are so totally right because a huge company scrapped a
| b2c legacy acquired photo product you liked whilst merging it
| with another service, they are going to shut down their multi-
| billion dollar b2b cloud offering in a strategic growth market
| at any moment without warning. Thank you for pointing this out!
| And can I say how much I enjoy seeing this same comment
| repeated on every google cloud post.
| tbobm wrote:
| I can not find the use-cases this might answer, is this supposed
| to replace IaC tools such as ansible or Terraform? AFAIK using
| standard GCE instances and updating them or re-rovisioning them
| is a quite cheap operation, I'm not sure where this stands in the
| whole "pet vs cattle" spectrum. I could be missing something, I
| am genuinely curious about this new product.
| leg100 wrote:
| VM Manager is three separate services, one of which is "OS
| config management", which is more akin to Ansible (or Puppet,
| Chef, etc), i.e. provisioning software on a system. The other
| two services look after themselves TBH.
|
| The OS config mangement in practice is a daemon that polls for
| "guest policies" every 10 minutes. Their example policies will
| give you a good idea of what it does:
|
| https://cloud.google.com/compute/docs/os-config-management/c...
|
| Or better still, the `google_os_config_guest_policies`
| terraform resource:
|
| https://registry.terraform.io/providers/hashicorp/google/lat...
|
| (Essentially it's pretty basic stuff: configuring package
| repos, installing packages, running scripts, and copying
| artefacts).
| davidbrennerjr wrote:
| So it looks similar to AWS Systems Manager, but only for Windows
| and Linux in GCP. In their Youtube video at
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeaA66WUaaM&feature=youtu.be
| they're saying however you're doing "patch compliance" whether
| it's orchestration or by-hand it is still essentially being done
| incrementally by hand possibly one package at a time. So instead
| of using Terraform/Ansible/Vagrant to connect to GCP you can use
| their VM manager to perform bulk updating of OS packages. Their
| VM manager relies on agent software to connect directly to your
| VM to issue system commands via your OS native console.
| ROARosen wrote:
| Is this intended only for VM's on GCP, or anywhere?
| pm90 wrote:
| This is really nice. Many/most enterprises likely still deploy on
| VM's so this is likely a godsend to sysadmins/whoever has to
| manage large number of VMs.
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