[HN Gopher] Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts
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Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts
Author : shinkim0914
Score : 106 points
Date : 2021-01-28 17:04 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| brdd wrote:
| During a pandemic, the only roles that you can hire for are ones
| that are remote (by definition, more or less). So this is not
| really charting a "shift". The question is, post-pandemic, will
| _new_ roles continue to be permanent remote or will they
| gravitate back towards office roles?
|
| As someone who has posted many remote Who is Hiring posts, I know
| that they've had little bearing on our company's decision process
| to move new roles back in-person or stay remote.
| shinkim0914 wrote:
| In the data, I've seen companies marking jobs that are remote
| only during the pandemic as "onsite", "COVID remote", "remote
| until COVID is over". I've classified those type of posts as
| _NOT_ remote in this analysis. For example, I 'd assume if you
| are a NYC based company, and want everyone to be onsite after
| the pandemic, you wouldn't hire someone from Alaska without
| sharing the onsite expectation upfront (i.e. marking your job
| post as "onsite").
| skeeter2020 wrote:
| That's not what the GP is saying though. You won't even
| bother posting to fill a job that can't e done remote, so you
| need to consider the volume of postings as well as the
| composition.
| shinkim0914 wrote:
| That's a fair point that the overall volume needs to be
| considered. And during Apr-Jul it was true that hiring
| volumes were subdued, and it is likely that onsite-centric
| companies simply weren't able to hire at all. However, job
| post volumes exceeded pre-pandemic volumes from August and
| onwards. This suggests that there was actually a change in
| behavior. The job post volume charts didn't make it into
| the article but can be viewed here: https://docs.google.com
| /spreadsheets/d/1jlLJkZJz3NBeyjylzTYA...
| pieterhg wrote:
| "A recent IBM survey found that 61% of workers want to continue
| working from home permanently even after the COVID-19 pandemic
| is over." https://mytechdecisions.com/facility/ibm-61-want-
| permanent-r...
|
| Some other surveys show a considerable percentage of business
| owners, executives and managers at companies think the same.
|
| I can attest to the growth. I run a job board called Remote OK
| and you can see the explosive rise in job posts and revenue
| here from around May 2020: https://remoteok.io/open
| eli wrote:
| That's funny coming from IBM
|
| https://qz.com/924167/ibm-remote-work-pioneer-is-calling-
| tho... (2017)
| [deleted]
| 908B64B197 wrote:
| The best thing we did was bite the bullet and stop hiring remote
| folks using some CoL metric invented by HR.
|
| The pool and quality of candidates we interviewed pretty much
| went up overnight and we started getting a lot of quality
| internal referral.
| shinkim0914 wrote:
| To clarify, your company didn't stop hiring remote, it just
| stopped making a cost-of-living adjustment to salary offers to
| remote candidates? Did management also increase salary for
| existing employees who lived in ow CoL areas?
| 908B64B197 wrote:
| We stopped making cost-of-living adjustment to salary offers
| to remote candidates.
|
| Wasn't a company-wide move however.
| offtop5 wrote:
| I'm all for this, I might even be able to move to a cheaper
| country and do the full digital nomad thing. I sort of want to
| find a way to save a minimum of $100,000 per year in order to
| retire within the next 10 years.
|
| I definitely could see the government creating incentives to get
| people back to work. The big issue of people no longer commuting,
| is millions of people working auxiliary industries which are
| getting screwed right now. The guy who works at the cafe next to
| your office, the landlords who own buildings, even car mechanics.
|
| I suspect by the end of 2021, we'll see more 50% work from home,
| particularly for new engineers.
| onion2k wrote:
| _I suspect by the end of 2021, we 'll see more 50% work from
| home, particularly for new engineers._
|
| I like remote working, and I've done it on and off for more
| than 2 decades. It suits me.
|
| In my experience, mentoring junior devs and new hires on my
| projects is _much_ harder for everyone involved when you 're
| not in the same office. Sometimes you're lucky and get someone
| who'll speak up and ask questions when they get stuck, but
| often ( _especially_ with juniors) people will just try to
| figure things out on their own in order to not look bad at
| their job or incompetent or something. Some devs would rather
| spend a whole day on a problem and only bring it up in the
| following day 's stand up than show they can't solve it alone.
| That is really bad for a project. I find I have to poke the
| quieter juniors regularly on Slack just to make sure they're
| OK, but then people get annoyed about being micromanaged. This
| is something I really want to solve...
| wikibob wrote:
| Check out Puerto Rico.
|
| Only jurisdiction in the entire world where an American tax
| subject can go and pay ZERO federal income tax.
| izacus wrote:
| > I'm all for this, I might even be able to move to a cheaper
| country and do the full digital nomad thing. I sort of want to
| find a way to save a minimum of $100,000 per year in order to
| retire within the next 10 years.
|
| As someone from a "cheaper country", a crazy amount of these
| jobs dries out when they figure that they'll need to deal with
| your tax/labor law employment situation.
|
| There's still plenty of remote work, just make sure you don't
| go into this completely blind.
| offtop5 wrote:
| Okay, cheaper American city !
| thatfrenchguy wrote:
| Sadly most american cities are cheap for a reason, unless
| you're into suburban life obviously.
| dudul wrote:
| One of these reasons is often the lack of jobs. Suburbs
| are actually often fairly expensive since they try to
| bring the good of the country (individual houses, bigger
| lots) closer to the city where good jobs are located.
| offtop5 wrote:
| Actually I found Chicago to be extremely affordable, and
| really lively. The absolute friendliest people on earth.
|
| If remote work holds up I expect to see San Fran's real
| estate market, at least it's rental market collapse
| shinkim0914 wrote:
| The cost of living in Chicago is amazing for a Top 3
| metro. My theory has always been that the winter weather
| discount is baked into the CoL.
| pchristensen wrote:
| Chicago has a wealthy, top-tier global city of 500k
| inside a depressed Rust Belt city of 2.5M. There's
| significantly less economic and population pressure on
| the core global city.
| offtop5 wrote:
| Such a great place, I try to tell, particularly young
| people how important picking the right city is. If you
| pick a bad City, you're going to end up not being able to
| afford to live your life will be needlessly stressful,
| you won't be able to find a partner. But if you pick a
| good city live can be pretty good
| 908B64B197 wrote:
| > As someone from a "cheaper country", a crazy amount of
| these jobs dries out when they figure that they'll need to
| deal with your tax/labor law employment situation.
|
| Why not make your laws more friendly?
| izacus wrote:
| It's not about friendliness, it's about difference. As soon
| as the legal situation changes, many companies immediately
| get cold feet.
| dghlsakjg wrote:
| Reforming an entire country's tax and employment law to
| enable a few hundred people to work for companies too lazy
| to comply with the law is impractical at best. It's an edge
| case, and many of those laws are there to protect workers
| anyway.
|
| Frequently the issue isn't so much that compliance is
| extraordinary difficult, it is that there is no section in
| the HR manual for handling it, and they don't want to deal
| with it. Most of the time it would take two days of labor
| at most, and a small percentage of the employee salary to
| make it kosher. In Canada it is so common that there is an
| entire industry that will arrange legal employment of
| Canadians by foreign corporations with no local presence.
| Most US companies don't even want to hear about how easy it
| is to comply.
| rhacker wrote:
| We need to convert the "ice-cream trucks" of my youth into
| drive by coffee shops... lol - except without the music, more
| like an app saying they're coming. Free business idea if anyone
| is listening. Put your order in on the phone.
| shinkim0914 wrote:
| Yes! Drive-by Blue Bottle coffee trucks please!!
| sensitive-ears wrote:
| We already have that where I live. It's an espresso machine
| in a van, they drive by offices in the morning and then stop
| and parks and other communal spots during lunch
| dont__panic wrote:
| Espresso trucks/vans seemed to be a big thing in the EU
| when I lived there, but don't seem to have much of a place
| in the US. Maybe it's due to the low walkability of the US
| and tendency to travel via car? Or maybe it's hard to get
| the licensing for it?
| DonHopkins wrote:
| I just wish they'd bring back milk delivery, like in the old
| days, but 24/7.
|
| I ran out of cream for my coffee at 3AM in Amsterdam. But of
| course there's a 24/7 nitrous oxide delivery company in
| Amsterdam:
|
| https://amsterdamlachgas.com/
|
| I'm not a customer, but I would only consider it if they'd
| actually deliver fresh cream without any nitrous oxide at
| 3AM, to keep up the pretense that the N2O was actually
| intended for making late-night whipped cream.
|
| But no, they brashly deliver incriminating accessories like
| balloons and "Slagroomspuit" dispensers. But no cream! Fuck
| that.
|
| https://amsterdamlachgas.com/lachgas-toebehoren/
|
| Somebody should start a 24/7 milk and cream delivery service.
| DeliverMOO!
|
| I think you could make a killing delivering 24/7 fresh milk,
| cream, and dairy accessories like breakfast cereal and
| chocolate mix.
| austincheney wrote:
| From looking at various HN comments working from home is
| appealing due to only one factor: personality. It appears
| economics, commute, child care issues, martial status, and other
| personal indicators are largely irrelevant. People that can
| handle being away from social interactions appear to love working
| from home while people who need social interaction do not
| regardless of whether all other personal indicators are
| stressors.
| wobbly_bush wrote:
| Or perhaps those are the most vocal people. The other people
| might just be trying to wait things out instead of being
| particularly vocal about it.
| 11thEarlOfMar wrote:
| Very interesting take.
|
| Would be cool (and likely even more dramatic) to see the chart
| going back 10(?) years.
| shinkim0914 wrote:
| Indeed! :)
| parentheses wrote:
| HN who's hiring represents the most progressive companies. The
| numbers are deceiving. Though the shape of the chart is still
| correct
| parentheses wrote:
| HN who's hiring represents the most progressive companies. The
| numbers are deceiving. Though the shape of the chart is likely
| correct
| shinkim0914 wrote:
| I agree that the directional trend is more important than
| absolute numbers. Though I will say there are a fair number of
| traditional employers hiring on HN (e.g. Disney, NASA, Oracle,
| USDS).
| stakkur wrote:
| This would seem to be a lagging indicator, not a predictor.
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