[HN Gopher] Military intelligence buys location data instead of ...
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       Military intelligence buys location data instead of getting
       warrants
        
       Author : lazycrazyowl
       Score  : 28 points
       Date   : 2021-01-24 22:04 UTC (55 minutes ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (arstechnica.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (arstechnica.com)
        
       | sneak wrote:
       | US military intelligence already believes that they don't need
       | warrants; they've decided (in a secret, internal opinion) via the
       | (again, secret) FISA court that the FISA Amendments Act, section
       | 702, permits them to retrieve data on anyone they like directly
       | from the service providers, even if those people are suspected of
       | no crime, and are citizens/residents of the US. This has been
       | going on for _fourteen years_ , since Microsoft became the first
       | partner in the program on (lol) 11th September, 2007, and started
       | giving them dumps of people's hotmail email boxes and such.
       | 
       | It's the #1 source for NSA reporting, eclipsing even their bulk
       | cable wiretaps. They can hit a button and get Google Takeout, but
       | for all major US online services, for anyone they choose, no
       | warrant required.
       | 
       | These sorts of headlines pretend that their "normal" way of
       | spying _does_ require warrants. It absolutely does not.
       | 
       | A lot of people seem to still carry the misconception that the
       | FISA orders (again, not warrants, no probable cause, issued by a
       | classified court (also run by US military intelligence) that
       | never denies a request) are only for foreigners ("foreign" is
       | right in the name). That's also not true: they use it to target
       | US citizens too.
       | 
       | This specific circumstance was cited by Ed Snowden as one of the
       | main reasons he came forward and told everyone that this was
       | happening.
       | 
       | https://www.eff.org/702-spying
       | 
       | The participants in this system as of 2013: Microsoft, Yahoo,
       | Google, Facebook, PalTalk, YouTube, Skype, AOL, Apple.
       | 
       | https://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/nov/01/pr...
        
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