[HN Gopher] Downpour: DRM Free Audiobooks
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       Downpour: DRM Free Audiobooks
        
       Author : cheph
       Score  : 135 points
       Date   : 2021-01-17 14:00 UTC (9 hours ago)
        
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       | autoditype wrote:
       | Are there other apps to use DRM-free audiobooks on, which include
       | the ability to bookmark?
        
         | alexktz wrote:
         | Booksonic.
        
         | cheph wrote:
         | This comes with an app that you can use which is quite nice and
         | can do bookmarks and has a sleep timer. I use bookmobile on
         | iPhone also, but it is not very good.
        
         | 2Gkashmiri wrote:
         | voice. on android. absolute rocker of a simple foss app. try it
         | 
         | https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.ph1b.audiob...
        
           | SquareWheel wrote:
           | +1 for Voice. Has exactly as many features as I want, like
           | sleep timer, bookmarks, and a dark mode. There's no ads and
           | it doesn't cost a dime.
           | 
           | https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.ph1b.audiob.
           | ..
        
           | freedomben wrote:
           | With such a horribly generic name (one that is shared by an
           | official Google app, and 50 million other apps), I am not
           | able to find the app at all.
           | 
           | Do you have a link by chance?
        
             | 2Gkashmiri wrote:
             | https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.ph1b.audio
             | b...
        
         | freedomben wrote:
         | Listen Audiobook on Android is awesome. I've been using it for
         | years. I do worry that it might be abandonware at this point,
         | but it works very well. I keeps all the metadata (current
         | position, bookmarks, etc) in the AudioBooks folder (where you
         | store your audiobook files) so it's trivial to back it up, move
         | to a new device, or seven set up sync.
        
         | captn3m0 wrote:
         | BookPlayer[0] on iOS works well. Copying the files to the app
         | needs a Mac though. Or you can use Files.app, but it is much
         | slower.
         | 
         | [0]: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/bookplayer/id1138219998
        
         | bueno wrote:
         | Hi! I'm the developer of Bound, an iPhone audiobook app. My app
         | supports DRM free audiobooks with the ability to save your
         | place and save individual bookmarks. Please check it out if you
         | are interested: https://bound.timbueno.com/
        
           | simongr3dal wrote:
           | I am certainly liking it a lot!
        
           | santa_boy wrote:
           | Thanks. I'll buy this. I've been frustrated about having to
           | use my SSD everytime I want to load and audiobook on my
           | iPhone.
        
         | JadeNB wrote:
         | Absolutely love Smart Audiobook Player on Android (https://play
         | .google.com/store/apps/details?id=ak.alizandro.s...).
        
       | davidro wrote:
       | Libro.fm also sells DRM free audiobooks, has a nice app, and will
       | work with indie bookstores to be their audiobook provider as well
       | as turn over a percentage of sales..
        
         | LetThereBeLight wrote:
         | I use Libro.fm and am happy that at least some of my money (
         | 15%) is going to my local book store.
        
       | 0j wrote:
       | Ysk Google play audiobooks can be downloaded without DRM. audible
       | books are protected but are very easy download and convert to mp3
        
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       | jaw wrote:
       | I've used this service for a few years and really appreciate it.
       | Mostly I use their app, which works perfectly fine, but it's nice
       | to be able to download the DRM-free files so I know I'm not
       | locked in.
        
       | anderspitman wrote:
       | Friendly reminder that Audible DRM is easily crackable if you're
       | willing to do a bit of googling.
        
         | ryukafalz wrote:
         | That may be, but by using Audible instead of a DRM-free vendor
         | you're both supporting a DRM-locked provider and _not_
         | supporting a DRM-free one.
         | 
         | My first preference is always to buy digital media from a
         | company that'll sell it to me DRM-free, when possible. Vote
         | with your wallet, etc.
        
       | superkuh wrote:
       | When you use text to speech everything is a free audiobook.
       | Unless, of course, the book itself is in a locked down DRM format
       | where you can't access the text.
        
         | Klaster_1 wrote:
         | Can you suggest any high quality, free text to speech software?
         | As an avid audiobook consumer, if the book is not available in
         | audio, I won't read it, but there are some books that I'd like
         | to read anyway.
        
           | superkuh wrote:
           | No. I use Festival 1.96 with CMU arctic voices. To most
           | people they sound fairly robotic but I've been using them for
           | almost 20 years so I like it.
        
       | kuczmama wrote:
       | This looks like a very cool service, but there are a few problems
       | with DRM music I've been unable to solve, I would love to hear
       | suggestions if anyone has this figured out. But for now I haven't
       | used anything better than audible.
       | 
       | 1. Syncing audio between devices. (i.e. switch from listening on
       | my phone to computer, etc)
       | 
       | 2. Automatically back up the files, so when I switch devices the
       | books are still there
       | 
       | 3. A good app that that at minimum has the ability to listen to
       | the audiobooks at double speed, but it would be nice if it could
       | load the album art for free, and book description.
       | 
       | 4. Also, it's really nice to say "Alexa, ready my audiobook", and
       | it continues from where it left off.
        
         | mayneack wrote:
         | I've been using plex for this. You can configure a music
         | library to store playback position and organize like books with
         | tags and then use either Prologue (ios) or Chronicle (android).
         | Prologue is a lot more polished, but I get by with Chronicle
         | ok.
        
         | severine wrote:
         | AudioAnchor is GPL. Some features include:
         | 
         | Additional features include:
         | 
         | - Set bookmarks
         | 
         | - Adjust playback speed
         | 
         | - Export and import listening progress as SQL database
         | 
         | - Sleep timer
         | 
         | - Lock screen media controls (for Android 5.0 Lollipop and
         | higher)
         | 
         | Available on F-Droid. I can't vouch for it but seems to tick
         | some of the boxes.
         | 
         | Link: https://github.com/flackbash/AudioAnchor
        
           | JeremyNT wrote:
           | There's also Voice on f-droid, with similar features. I can
           | highly recommend it.
           | 
           | https://f-droid.org/en/packages/de.ph1b.audiobook/
        
         | MengerSponge wrote:
         | I have a $10/yr subscription to Marco Arment's
         | https://overcast.fm/ for this purpose. "Smart speed" is a total
         | game-changer.
        
           | hybridtupel wrote:
           | I could be mistaken but isn't overcast only for podcasts i.e.
           | streaming sources. But the questions are about audiobooks. Or
           | is there a way to import audio book files into overcast?
        
             | czottmann wrote:
             | In 2016, they introduced an upload feature.
             | https://marco.org/2016/03/14/overcast25 Haven't used
             | Overcast myself in a while but I guess that's still
             | available.
        
         | francis-io wrote:
         | I personally use syncthing to push audiobooks to my mobile
         | device and "smart audio book player" on android to play them at
         | double speed. I even sync back up the played location. Being
         | able to resume playback on device, I'm not sure, I've not had
         | need of that.
        
           | bergstromm466 wrote:
           | > I personally use syncthing
           | 
           | > I even sync back up the played location.
           | 
           | That sounds cool, how do you do it?
        
         | cheph wrote:
         | The downpour app does all of this. Of course it only works for
         | downpour books, but if you get another good app you can
         | download the MP3s and use them in there also.
        
           | input_sh wrote:
           | "Simple Audiobook Player" on Android is just wonderful.
           | Requires one-time purchase for some features I believe, but
           | I've been using it for years without a single thing to
           | complain about.
           | 
           | It also handles chapters, playback speed is _very_
           | adjustable, and a feature I like the most is that it takes
           | you back to the beginning of the sentence if you pause
           | /resume.
        
             | nickik wrote:
             | The only thing I would want for it is to have a desktop
             | version and syncing between devices.
        
         | mbirth wrote:
         | Sounds like you want a podcast app. Pocket Casts can do all
         | these things. (Cloud upload needs a Plus subscription, though.
         | But you could also self-host your own RSS feed with your
         | files.)
        
           | mayneack wrote:
           | I love this app for podcasts, but their file upload has a 1gb
           | file limit which is a bit limiting for some books.
        
           | Wowfunhappy wrote:
           | > But you could also self-host your own RSS feed with your
           | files.
           | 
           | That is a _brilliant_ idea and now I want to do this!
           | 
           | I already have a little PHP script that makes an RSS feed out
           | of any txt files it finds in the same folder, it should be
           | easy to switch to a podcast feed...
        
       | shmerl wrote:
       | That's great, thanks for the reference!
        
       | hybridtupel wrote:
       | Cannot comment on the audiobook contents as I am hardly put off
       | by the website. It doesn't work on my phone as it is loading tons
       | of stuff and on my PC it loads but is very slow, doesn't cache
       | anything. Thats a pitty as I really like having DRM free
       | audiobooks. Will therefore look into the other site metioned
       | already.
        
       | fsflover wrote:
       | More DRM-free media: https://www.defectivebydesign.org/guide.
        
         | cheph wrote:
         | Thanks for this, https://www.audiobooksnow.com/ also looks like
         | a good option for DRM free audiobooks. I think people should
         | definitely vote with their wallets here as there are
         | alternatives. I can find almost everything I want on downpour
         | (and possibly audiobooksnow) and the monthly fee is lower than
         | what I was paying at audible.
        
           | Wowfunhappy wrote:
           | The other big one is libro.fm, which I also think has the
           | nicest website, for whatever that's worth. There's also
           | Google Play, but they always seem to be more expensive.
           | 
           | I've been using a combination of these three sites (libro.fm,
           | downpour.com, audiobooksnow.com) for many years now. Although
           | I do occasionally need to hop back over to Audible for one of
           | their exclusives, but not often.
           | 
           | Quick note about audiobooksnow.com, they do have a small
           | number of DRM'd titles. Check for a "Downloadable" icon
           | before buying!
        
       | devcriollo wrote:
       | Free alternative. http://audiobookbay.nl/audio-
       | books/type/computer/
        
         | Wowfunhappy wrote:
         | This really isn't right!
         | 
         | Authors deserve to be paid for their work, just as developers
         | do. You have the option to buy most audiobooks without any
         | technological restrictions. What more do you want?
        
           | ancymon wrote:
           | > What more do you want?
           | 
           | E.g. listen for an hour and then decide if I want to buy it.
        
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             | simongr3dal wrote:
             | Audible will let you return audiobooks. They aren't drm-
             | free but with ffmpeg and the script to find your activation
             | bits that can be removed.
             | 
             | I couldn't get this to work: https://github.com/inAudible-
             | NG/audible-activator
             | 
             | But had success using: https://github.com/inAudible-
             | NG/tables
        
       | hairofadog wrote:
       | What a coincidence to see this here! I decided just this week to
       | try to get back into listening to audiobooks, and this morning I
       | was sitting here having my usual angst about the Amazon ecosystem
       | and looking at the options. I can't help wondering if this is one
       | of those things where I think about an old song I haven't heard
       | in years and suddenly they're playing everywhere, making me feel
       | I somehow manifested it, but the truth is that the reason I
       | thought of it in the first place is that they had started playing
       | it everywhere because of a wave of zeitgeist. In this case, I
       | can't help wondering if something about lockdown or current-
       | events burnout is causing folks to want to switch from podcasts
       | to longer form media less filled with hot takes, which is sort of
       | where I'm at.
       | 
       | Another interesting thing on this topic is that Audible now
       | allows signing up within the iOS app, which I don't believe was
       | possible before. Im not sure if the reason for that has been
       | reported anywhere, but I assume that means one of a couple of
       | things: They have struck a deal to reduce Apple's cut (seems
       | unlikely), they're taking a loss to try to solidify their
       | domination of the market, or maybe some combination of taking a
       | loss plus their new business model which involves a lot of cheap
       | "Amazon Originals" content. There seems to be a rush right now
       | between Spotify and Amazon to become the next Netflix of
       | podcasting (which is to say, a closed, subscription-based
       | ecosystem of exclusive content). I don't think that's going to be
       | a great situation, but I don't get the sense they're super
       | interested in my opinion on that.
        
         | InvaderFizz wrote:
         | In app purchases are most likely a result of the deal that
         | Amazon and Apple struck earlier this year[0].
         | 
         | 0: https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/1/21203294/amazon-prime-
         | vide...
        
           | hairofadog wrote:
           | Ah. Thanks.
        
       | hpfr wrote:
       | Related: LibriVox offers free public domain audiobooks.
       | Obviously, for the audiobook to be public domain the book has to
       | be public domain.
       | 
       | https://librivox.org
        
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