[HN Gopher] JingOS: Linux Distro Inspired by the iPad
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JingOS: Linux Distro Inspired by the iPad
Author : throwaway888abc
Score : 405 points
Date : 2021-01-17 03:24 UTC (19 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.jingos.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.jingos.com)
| samwestdev wrote:
| Why do people put copyrighted words (like iPad) in their copy?
| Just called a tablet-style OS so Apple won't go after your ass.
| ericls wrote:
| looks like they are in China
| tomcam wrote:
| The word you're looking for is trademarked, not copyrighted.
| Anyway, IANAL but in the USA it's perfectly legal to describe
| something as iPad-like in sales copy as long as it doesn't look
| like you're attempting to deceive the user that it is an Apple
| product.
|
| Practically speaking, I agree completely. Apple could just file
| some bullshit motion for shits and giggles and the only
| practical thing to do would be to take it down or get
| bankrupted by a baseless lawsuit.
| tyingq wrote:
| It's not a new thing :)
| https://images.computerhistory.org/revonline/images/50000439...
| BuzzwordBingo wrote:
| What's the point of blatantly ripping off a design if you can't
| brag about it?
| denysvitali wrote:
| This could look awesome on my Pixel C!
| jasonvorhe wrote:
| What would I have given for a second iteration on that device
| and form factor. Next to the 2nd Chromebook Pixel, the Pixel C
| was the most perfect device from Google.
| retpirato wrote:
| You realize elementary os exists right?
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elementary_OS
| 29athrowaway wrote:
| LibreOffice is not my go-to choice anymore for office suites on
| Linux.
|
| FreeOffice from SoftMaker is my choice now.
| himujjal wrote:
| Same here. But I use onlyoffice. And its been serving me good
| till now. Plus I like the tabs thing. I installed it on my
| friend's laptop which is super old, it seems to work better
| than MS Office 2016 too
| pratio wrote:
| A lot has already been said about them copying or borrowing or
| just getting their inspiration from Apple, so I'll skip that.
| Unless they fully opensource the code it is unlikely to get any
| traction. And if it is really based on Linux we're likely going
| to see UI and UX issues, An OS is more than just a some fancy
| icons and modded apps. The transitions that they show in the demo
| are not easy to achieve as in stability of the software. It looks
| very clean but unlike elementary OS, it doesn't feel authentic. I
| don't know what obsession people have with Apple but they aren't
| the only company getting designs and UX right. These avenues are
| unfortunately killing independent and new design ideas.
| alexfromapex wrote:
| I don't think there's an obsession with Apple so much as there
| is an obsession with the minimalism and an alignment of the
| design goals into an ecosystem that Apple has demonstrated.
| pratio wrote:
| You're not wrong about the alignment of design but it is
| definitely not minimalist design. I've been using and
| upgrading iPads for the last 6 years and with each release
| the menus and options are becoming more convoluted. But there
| is a certain consistency across all Apple devices which does
| make it easy.
|
| JingOS seems heavily inspired as in a massive lack of any
| original concept. Even the browser shown in the demo looks so
| much like safari. The notifications on the corner. The swipe
| up gestures etc.
|
| Even the design story of icons is heavily inspired.
| machello13 wrote:
| > with each release the menus and options are becoming more
| convoluted. But there is a certain consistency across all
| Apple devices which does make it easy.
|
| Honest question, how do you add more features + abilities
| to an OS without adding more menus in more places?
| pratio wrote:
| I am not saying that new features don't need menus but
| maybe they could be simplified? The copy, paste select
| system on iOS is poor IMO. The new tab/ new private tab
| has been done better on chrome. What I wished to say in
| the original comment was that if new ideas aren't given a
| chance we might never see something different, might be
| radically different and we might just like some things
| about it.
| sangnoir wrote:
| There definitely is an obsession with Apple in a subset of
| the "design community" - I've seen lots of aping of
| aesthetics with no functional justification (such as web
| sites with brushed aluminum and linen textures which became
| popular _after_ OS X releases that featured the same cues)
| app4soft wrote:
| The worst thing is there that title should be: _" Linux Distro
| Inspired by the iOS"_.
|
| iPad is a device, not OS.
| cueo wrote:
| Thanks for your clarification. I wasn't able to make head or
| tail of the title without reading your comment.
|
| /s
| TulliusCicero wrote:
| This seems needlessly pedantic since even Apple uses the term
| iPadOS.
| asidiali wrote:
| iPad-flavored iOS is different than iPhone-flavored iOS.
|
| Even Apple calls it iPadOS:
| https://www.apple.com/ipados/ipados-14/
|
| Their title seems accurate.
| app4soft wrote:
| iPad (device) != iPadOS (OS)
| asidiali wrote:
| Ok, yes, what's your point?
|
| iPad != iPadOS != iOS which was your original
| modification to the title.
|
| My point is, it's iPad specific. So iPad/iPadOS is fine
| here, and not iOS.
| FreddGreen wrote:
| I think it will get traction because there are tonnes of low
| end windows tablets out there that only have 2 gb ram and 32 gb
| storage that can barely even run windows and jing os which is
| using a modified plasma mobile will be way faster on these low
| end windows tablets
| pratio wrote:
| The low end tablets will meet the same fate as the low end
| android ones. Applications developed using the high end
| devices in mind will run painfully slow or perform miserably
| on the lower end ones. The higher end tablets might come with
| extra graphics support and such which would leave developers
| flummoxed on which devices to target.
|
| Of course gaining traction as a closed source Chinese OS
| would be very difficult and unless we can see some code
| ourselves and run it locally, its all just speculation.
| FreddGreen wrote:
| https://forum.jingos.com/t/jingos-roadmap-v1-0-published-
| on-... shows it is based on Ubuntu 20.04 and Plasma Mobile if
| you want a source for "jing os which is using a modified
| plasma mobile"
| fartcannon wrote:
| I don't know why people think Apple even has a good UI. Because
| it all looks the same? None of it makes any sense if you have
| any experience other than Mac/iOS.
|
| Let us never forget that we are holding it wrong.
| footrot wrote:
| It must be fun writing an essay on a tablet. Do you think tablets
| will defeat laptops?
|
| Or do most pad users have a physical keyboard for text entry?
|
| I would be interested in the touchscreen keyboard detail here.
|
| I have Gboard on Android, has this space matured?
| yoz-y wrote:
| > Or do most pad users have a physical keyboard for text entry?
|
| When I listened to productivity podcasts the consensus seemed
| to be yes, people who tend to do a lot of typing on tablets
| hook them up to keyboards.
| pjmlp wrote:
| Basically hybrid will win, as on the Windows side, Microsoft is
| winning over Android by having laptops with detachable
| keyboards, turning most non gamer Windows laptops into Surface
| Pro clones.
| slim wrote:
| this is exactly what I was looking for. but something is
| suspiciously not visible in the demo video : the soft keyboard.
| input_sh wrote:
| Absolutely agree. From my experience with other distros,
| navigation is flaky, but usable with some modifications.
|
| Software keyboard is always just terrible to use, making
| anything other than scrolling social media or reading
| articles/books a painful experience.
| duckfang wrote:
| From their discord, this is just more gongkai "loot open
| source/GPL and be closed source"-ware
| Bud wrote:
| "Inspired by"? They've directly copied all kinds of UI.
| ibejoeb wrote:
| I suspect the name is a play on jingoism
| solstice wrote:
| No it isn't. See their About page
| garmaine wrote:
| Two things can be true.
| alisausa wrote:
| I was a really bad girl. Punish me with your dick in my mouth. -
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| alexfromapex wrote:
| Why did OP use a throwaway? The timing of this is a little
| strange, when considering it has a Chinese element
| jaredwiener wrote:
| A throwaway with a lot of karma and a pretty extensive
| history....
| poutine wrote:
| Apple isn't going to like this. Good luck!
| michaericalribo wrote:
| Awesome! Its exciting to see new applications of *nix OSes that
| are design-forward and targeted towards modern computing
| paradigms / platforms.
|
| I'm a grumpy graybeard who likes Arch on my laptop and Debian on
| my server...but cosmetics and familiar visual vocab and adopting
| industry ux practices--these are undeniable obstacles that must
| be overcome before "the year of the Linux desktop " :)
| gh02t wrote:
| I don't want to be too hard on this project, but is it really
| "design-forward" when it's blatantly and explicitly copying the
| look and feel of iOS/iPadOS? Originality seems like an
| important component of good design.
| TheSpiceIsLife wrote:
| Way more people use an iOS or iOS-like UI than any tradition
| *nix GUI.
|
| I read the parent to mean that indicates the present mobile
| is experience a step forward in that context.
| kstenerud wrote:
| "Picasso had a saying -- 'good artists copy; great artists
| steal' -- and we have always been shameless about stealing
| great ideas."
|
| - Steve Jobs
| Qwertious wrote:
| >Picasso had a saying -- 'good artists copy; great artists
| steal'
|
| I obviously can't say what Picasso thought that meant, but
| I have a theory on what it actually means:
|
| "Copying" vs "Stealing" refers to how well you break it
| down and use the underlying components of a design.
| "Copying" is more or less just mimicking the feature with a
| few tweaks, whereas "stealing" is redesigning it from first
| principles based on what the best ideas in it seem to be,
| and _making it your own_.
|
| For example (not necessarily a good one, I don't claim to
| be a "great artist"), take regenerating health in COD: the
| idea _appears_ to be removing persistence between
| engagements, by resetting health back to full after you 've
| stopped being shot.
|
| Okay then, why not have regenerating ammo or regenerating
| grenades?
|
| Well, it _looks_ like it 's a stealth nerf against really
| good players - after a few fights without being killed, you
| have to fight without grenades, VS freshly respawned
| players (who statistically are the players who die more
| often) who _do_ get grenades. Unless the player was
| conserving grenades through early fights, which is also a
| disadvantage (if self-imposed).
|
| Okay, what can we do with this?
|
| Well, if you're playing a highly competitive game then
| perhaps add "regenerating grenades", else add some sort of
| bonus score for getting killstreaks.
|
| If you're making a more casual game, then you can amp the
| regeneration effect up by giving more low/single-use items
| that are essentially a quiet buff for newbies who'll die
| before they get a kill anyway.
|
| Maybe you could add a pool of none regenerating health to
| limit the effectiveness of it on pro players, without
| removing it entirely? Like armour that you spawn with, that
| blocks e.g. 10% of damage but slowly breaks as you take
| more and more damage?
|
| Point is, this all started with regenerating health, yet
| now it's informing grenade stuff. If you'd just directly
| copy/pasted "perFrame: health++" with minimal changes then
| you'd miss out on a ton of useful tools here.
|
| EDIT: also, you could take the mechanic in a different
| direction entirely - what would happen if everyone _lost_
| health outside of battle instead of _gaining_ health? Maybe
| combine that with gaining some health after every kill, so
| people are forced to get into battles to stay alive?
|
| Or, what if health was _always_ regenerating, instead of
| only regenerating when you 're not being shot at?
| clusterfish wrote:
| If you're gonna steal, better damn make sure your output is
| better than the original. Otherwise it'll have a cheap
| knockoff feel to it.
|
| Copying Apple's style of e.g. the settings icon is just
| that, copying. Nothing to be proud of, and just tells me
| the developer has their priorities wrong if they think this
| style is part of what needs stealing to give the user a
| good experience.
| goodcjw2 wrote:
| I guess "steal" means that it's a more advanced way of
| "copying", i.e. you can get away with grabbing others' idea
| without being noticed and can still be considered as
| "original".
|
| To do that, one needs to get the essence, the principle,
| and the deep underlying logic of another work, rather than
| simply copying something at the surface level.
| alpaca128 wrote:
| This quote is not from Picasso, it is in fact much
| older[0]. The stealing part of this phrase was more about
| how great artists make existing ideas their
| own("stealing"), reinterpreting them on the way.
|
| [0] https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/03/06/artists-steal/
| wyattpeak wrote:
| That was Jobs's error, though, not the parent's. And the
| fact that Jobs said it is the relevant point.
| mickael-kerjean wrote:
| The only thing that matter to me is can it run a terminal and
| can it run emacs. With the ipad/iphone failing on both those,
| this is quite forward to me
| michaericalribo wrote:
| I'm not advocating that you _should_ do this, but you
| definitely _could_ do _at least_:
|
| Install an ssh app (they exist for iOS. I've used them.
| They're ok! They'd be better w a paired Bluetooth keyboard,
| easy to come by) Log into your server of choice--even just
| your personal machine on your LAN Hack away in emacs
|
| This has the added benefit of not requiring local access to
| files on your mobile device, or setting up yet another
| custom dev environment on a new system
|
| Now that I mention it, I _do_ want to try this!
| eyelidlessness wrote:
| Good design explicitly values borrowing/stealing. Unlike the
| tech rat race, UI design is very happy to credit inspiration.
| gh02t wrote:
| Sure, but I don't think this is "inspiration" so much as
| blatant, wholesale copying, at least if the screenshots and
| copy on the page are representative. ElementaryOS borrows
| heavily from Apple style without being an outright copy,
| that seems way less icky to me.
| exabrial wrote:
| I always thought, if a vendor ever wants to encroach into Apple's
| territory, literally all they have to do is the same formula:
| Commercially supported Unix operating system with a polished UI +
| hardware. If you want to approach the enterprise market, you need
| an excel and word clone. For the consumer market, a polished and
| solid (crash free) browser with GPU acceleration is probably the
| #1 feature.
|
| Obviously not that simple in practice but what certainly _doesnt_
| work is sexy hardware running the turd that is windows.
| yewenjie wrote:
| Is there any easy to setup Linux software for touch-screen
| keyboard and auto detecting rotations in 2 in 1 laptops?
| zozbot234 wrote:
| Should work out of the box in current GNOME, assuming that the
| hardware side is properly supported.
| maelito wrote:
| Wondering the same thing, using an XPS 2-in-1.
| janandonly wrote:
| I am happy to see projects that make Linux look beter or more
| user friendly.
|
| But to truly catch up with iPadOS one needs to recreate not just
| the UX but also powerful features that it comes with
|
| * can the Photo app recognize faces? or landscapes ?
|
| * can the Notes app do OCR on pictures and PDF's?
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25805137
|
| * is there an iCloud like function that synchronizes in the
| background?
|
| It is not just the UX that makes 70+ year olds be able to work
| with an iPad, it's the whole package.
| tgv wrote:
| What's really difficult IMO is getting the development
| environment right, plus the app store. Without that, it's
| nothing but another bit of eye candy.
| himujjal wrote:
| Its linux. All sorts of apps could run on it. Plus most of
| the apps these days are going cloud and PWA. That well could
| be of a huge advantage.
|
| Plus its by China. Once this device goes mainstream among
| people as a laptop replacement, expect Linux to come up with
| a huge number of Chinese apps.
| epse wrote:
| Isn't the app store and development experience exactly what
| people keep complaining about for Ios?
| emteycz wrote:
| No, non-Apple users are complaining, Apple users generally
| like the experience.
| bbekiaris wrote:
| Well in my experience people who don't complain about the
| App store never used any other app store in their life.
| For what I know they even think that the app store is
| Apple's invention.
| emteycz wrote:
| Because it actually is... Android Market was introduced
| months after App Store. Obviously programmers know that
| fundamentally it's extension of some ideas from the Linux
| world, but that is very irrelevant to the users, and the
| basics of "download an application from a registry" are
| not what makes the great App Store experience.
| nanis wrote:
| >> even think that the app store is Apple's invention
|
| > Because it actually is...
|
| It most certainly isn't. Based on personal use, Nokia's
| Download![1] comes to mind.
|
| Looking at an archived page[2]:
|
| >* Browse, preview, buy and download direct to your phone
|
| >* Read descriptions of offers from popular brands and
| local providers
|
| >* Test free trials of some content and applications
| before you buy
|
| >* Choose from the latest selection with regular updates
|
| [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Download! [2]: https:/
| /web.archive.org/web/20061209073944/http://www.nokia....
| pjmlp wrote:
| Today I learned that the app stores for Windows CE/Pocket
| PC, Symbian, J2ME, BREW, Blackberry never existed.
| tgv wrote:
| Devs complain about XCode, but the libraries/frameworks are
| great. Publishing to the app store is pretty easy, and
| there are hundreds of millions of potential customers,
| which are there because the curation of the app store is
| good (enough). If you want to know what happens when your
| IDE is OK-ish, but the other aspects fail, look at
| Microsoft's presence in the mobile phone market.
| pjmlp wrote:
| If Microsoft kept WP 8 compatible with WP 7, just adding
| the C++ support game studios were asking about (NDK
| style), without rebooting the whole thing into an
| incompatible mess across mobile, tablets and desktop, it
| would have had much more developer love.
|
| But Sinosfky and his supporters had to push their anti-
| NET agenda, followed by clever decisions like killing
| C++/CX as well, and here we are.
| xalava wrote:
| I don't use any of this on an iPad and I miss every day some
| functionalities : a convenient terminal, a fully fledged text
| editor, a complete and free photo editor ...
| Uehreka wrote:
| For me personally, I don't care if it's got all of Apple's
| bells and whistles, what I personally want is:
|
| - A tablet OS that looks approximately as nice as iPadOS and
| works approximately as well. With a Springboard-ish
| homescreen/app paradigm.
|
| - The ability to run a terminal
|
| - The ability to run apps in full screen and swipe between them
|
| - Access to the most popular handful of apps (Chrome, VS Code,
| Slack, Discord, Zoom, etc.)
|
| This already looks a lot nicer than a lot of "pretty" Linux
| distros I've seen, I'll be curious to read the reviews next
| month.
| reacharavindh wrote:
| This. I use my iPad Pro as a glorified Netflix, YouTube, and
| sketching machine. It's hardware is good and lays there under
| utilised.
|
| If a tablet could get close iPad in usability and hardware
| and yet open it up to have a full terminal and ability to
| install local Linux apps. That'd be a great productivity
| tool, and an excellent mobility device.
| bArray wrote:
| Also discussed here just 17 days ago:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25580608
| timbit42 wrote:
| With only 2 comments.
| someperson wrote:
| Is the project developed publicly? Where is the git repository
| with sources (under a FLOSS license)?
| Hamuko wrote:
| It looks so inspired that Apple legal might also be inspired.
| iFreilicht wrote:
| The company making JingOS is based in China. Not sure Apple has
| much legal leverage there.
| dathinab wrote:
| You mean besides:
|
| - making it illegal to import any product having it installed
|
| - making it illegal to host a copy in the US/EU/UK and
| probably other places, too
| justaj wrote:
| Does that also mean that you won't be able to download the
| distro if Apple successfully files a copyright violation
| against the company behind JingOS?
| dathinab wrote:
| Legally seen it could lead to this, I guess?
|
| But practically you could just download it from idk. a
| server not in the US/EU/UK, or a server in the US/EU/UK
| which doesn't know (or care) about the problem. Or from a
| torrent or similar.
|
| Furthermore (assuming Apples sues and wins a case) I
| don't think they will bother trying preventing a (for
| them) small amount of private people from using it.
| Through if it becomes more successful it's likely another
| matter.
|
| What they care about is that you can't buy a tablet of
| which the UI looks, feels and behaves like iOs.
|
| I just fear this might be _ab_ used by Apple or other
| entities as an argument why devices should be looked down
| and users must not be allowed to install their own Os as
| this would lead to all kind of fraud and lost revenue.
| (Just to be clear I'm fully aware that for a tech aware
| person this argument makes no sense, but propose it to an
| old politician who doesn't really understand anything IT
| related and they might believe you, and at least in
| Germany we have way to many tech incompetent
| politicians...)
|
| EDIT: Also in the parent post I probably should have used
| the term distribute inside of the EU/US/... Anyway I'm
| not a lawyer so the exact terminology might not be quite
| right.
| anaganisk wrote:
| Well it comes from a chineese company, Im sure they're good as
| long as apple still has critical assets in china.
| jstummbillig wrote:
| Or not, as long as Apple has critical assets in China?
| taneq wrote:
| Depends whether they're more critical to Apple or China,
| really.
| merb wrote:
| besides the notification center it more or less looks like a
| clone.
| bArray wrote:
| > Available from Jan 31, 2021
|
| So, is this going to be a paid for product? I am looking at what
| looks like is their GitHub page, and it's basically empty?
| https://github.com/JingOS-team
| orblivion wrote:
| According to their FAQ they plan to update their Github repo
| every half year: https://forum.jingos.com/t/faq-about-
| jingos/243
|
| Seems weird to me.
| pekinlcc wrote:
| Will update Github Project before Jan 31. And the OS will be
| free forever. https://www.jingos.com/faq/
| admax88q wrote:
| That page doesn't really answer the question.
| mynameisvlad wrote:
| It links to a forum FAQ which does:
| https://forum.jingos.com/t/faq-about-jingos/243
| apatters wrote:
| If they comply fully with the GPL then this could be a
| great new linux distro! If they don't then I will avoid
| it.
| someperson wrote:
| The popular web server Nginx started in Russia almost 20 years
| ago. Nobody would have used the software of such dubious origin
| if it was closed-source. Being open-source allowed many more
| eyeballs and developers which increased trust in the project.
|
| With the current geopolitical landscape, projects from Russia,
| China and increasingly the United States must be open-source to
| become widely used and trusted.
|
| If China-based JingOS aren't developing their work publicly,
| for most developers it may as well not exist.
| [deleted]
| im3w1l wrote:
| Wouldn't a license that allows seeing and building the code,
| but not redistribution be sufficient for that?
| kstenerud wrote:
| No, because it would add the friction of each licensee
| having to audit the code themselves rather than the crowd
| sourced approach of open source.
| outsomnia wrote:
| No.
| [deleted]
| rapsey wrote:
| Well it did answer my question what this is written in. They
| use QT.
| freedomben wrote:
| Looks like it will eventually "step by step"[1]
|
| > _JingOS is based on Ubuntu 20.04, KDE v5.75, Plasma Mobile
| 5.20. We will replace the framework from Plasma Mobile to
| JDE(Jing Desktop Environment) later this year._
|
| > _The project will open-source step by step on GitHub: JingOS-
| team_
|
| [1]: https://forum.jingos.com/t/jingos-roadmap-v1-0-published-
| on-...
| xwdv wrote:
| "New Linux Distro" here just means a new graphical environment.
| pjmlp wrote:
| With zero features for a table optimized development framework
| stack most likely.
| brutal_chaos_ wrote:
| Yep as it is based on Ubuntu
| 533474 wrote:
| Why inspired by Apple?, why not make their own thing instead of a
| knockoff? They r talented individuals they can totally make their
| own thing
| onedognight wrote:
| Many members of this site cut their teeth reimplementing
| proprietary Unix from scratch, e.g. the entire GNU project.
| Having an open source version of something is a laudable and
| noteworthy goal. Often many improvements are implemented along
| the way, since one doesn't have to do the original design, e.g.
| the entire GNU project. I for one, am happy to see this.
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| paxys wrote:
| Looks pretty, but I'm curious why it is an entire distro instead
| of a desktop environment or theme. Any idea what it is based on?
| brutal_chaos_ wrote:
| The link says Ubuntu
| mahrain wrote:
| This thread is full of shilling and what feels like bot posts in
| order to push this post to the top. Typical, sorry to say
| "chinglish" spelling mistakes give it away. It would be good if
| mods would look into this. Any way to trigger that action?
| dang wrote:
| This comment breaks the site guidelines. If you read them
| you'll see that the way to "trigger mod action" is to email us,
| not post insinuations of shilling in the threads.
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
| notum wrote:
| It's pathetically obvious and quite obnoxious. I wonder how
| often is the HN system gamed in the same manner but with better
| English?
|
| Some mod attention would definitely benefit this thread.
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| throwaway4good wrote:
| This is great work; absolutely something the Linux world needs.
|
| Only I wish they would divert more from MacOS X / iPad OS in
| terms of colours and loose the reference to iPad in the marketing
| copy.
| ericls wrote:
| why a distro? why not a desktop environment?
| iFreilicht wrote:
| They're doing both!
|
| > JingOS is based on Ubuntu 20.04, KDE v5.75, Plasma Mobile
| 5.20. We will replace the framework from Plasma Mobile to
| JDE(Jing Desktop Environment) later this year.
|
| > The project will open-source step by step on GitHub: JingOS-
| team[1]
|
| So later this year, hopefully, you'll be able to install JDE on
| any tablet running Linux, though I suspect it won't be 100%
| smooth from the get-go.
|
| [1]: https://github.com/JingOS-team
| popcorncowboy wrote:
| Unfortunate name [0] :| or perhaps it was intended? Very clever
| then.
|
| 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jingoism
| FooBarWidget wrote:
| As a non-native English speaker, the first thing that came to
| my mind was jingle bells, not jingoism.
| dathinab wrote:
| I don't follow.
|
| It's clearly <Jing><Os>, and Jing sounds like something which
| is likely a Mandarin (or other Asian language) word. And Os is
| a widely accepted name suffix for operating system.
|
| And it turns out it is
| (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jing_(Chinese_medicine)) and
| it's a widely used/known word, too.
|
| Additionally Jingoism, isn't really that commonly used. Most
| non-native speaker which are not reading certain political news
| outlets likely have never heard about this word before (like
| me). It's definitely not part of the vocabulary thought in (non
| native) english school courses.
|
| Lastly, where would we end up if we have negative sentiment,
| every time a wrongly pronounced word happened to sound similar
| to a word in another language which has negative sentiment
| attached with it. At that point we probably would need to
| remove a non small part of names and the english language
| because wrongly pronouncing it makes it sound like a bad word
| in some other language...
| ylyn wrote:
| Their about page[1] says the jing in their company name
| (Jingling) is Jing , meaning whale. I don't know if that
| extends to the OS name as well. (They use "JingOS" even in
| Chinese prose.)
|
| [1]: https://www.jingos.com/about/
| dathinab wrote:
| It probably should and given the branding I thing it makes
| sense to not mix Hanzi and Latin Characters.
|
| It's just that there is:
|
| - Jing = Jing
|
| - Jing as simpl. of jing = Jing
|
| - Jing as simpl. of jing = Jing
|
| - ...?
|
| I wouldn't be surprised if they did consider this similar
| words when creating JingOs as JingOs is the essence (Jing )
| which becomes the structure they wave their ecosystem and
| as such success around (like Warp~Jing is for weaving
| fabrics).
|
| Or this is just a nice coincidence ;=)
|
| But either way interpreting <Jing><Os> as a call out to
| <jingo><-ism> is very far fetched.
| roadbeats wrote:
| People are full of "news" these days. Haven't you ever heard of
| the word "jing" ?
| SquareWheel wrote:
| Wow, yeah. That was my first thought upon seeing the name.
| Definitely could have picked something better.
| pekinlcc wrote:
| Jing means Whale, so does the logo.
| dathinab wrote:
| It's not that simple, depending on the Mandarin writing it
| can also refer to "essence" and probably some other things.
|
| It's appearing in traditional Chinese medicine and seems to
| be a fairly important concept there.
|
| It also seems to be used as a name.
|
| So Jing is _a fairly wide spread well known mandarin word_
| but a Jing + OS + wrong pronoun-cation sounds similar to a
| not that widely known english word which seems to have gone
| out of fashion quite a while ago...
| pekinlcc wrote:
| Yes, you know a lot about Chinese. But the Jing of JingOS
| means Whale specifically. You can check here:
| https://www.jingos.com/about/
| hnarn wrote:
| The company is called Jingling which seems to be a Chinese
| city, so I highly doubt they named it after some obscure
| English expression.
| lvturner wrote:
| They are also based in BeiJING(Bei Jing )where Jing (Jing )
| can be taken to mean capital.
| nanis wrote:
| > I highly doubt they named it after some obscure English
| expression.
|
| It's not that obscure if a nonnative speaker's first reaction
| is to think "why would anyone want to call a distro by that
| name"?
|
| It doesn't matter that there is a perfectly reasonable
| alternative motivation for it ... It's just, you'll never
| find me wanting to be heard saying "I think you should use
| jingos!"[1]
|
| Interestingly, it turns out, someone else thought it would be
| a good brand name too.[2] So you are not alone.
|
| [1]: https://www.bennetyee.org/http_webster.cgi?isindex=jingo
| &met... [2]: https://buyjingos.com/
| footrot wrote:
| It's odd though how names just stick. IPad is the ugliest
| of names and so are most of the other IPrefixed names. I
| get some of these choices were to break from dictionary
| words, but I find them vile! In my mind I placate by saying
| info-pad.
|
| My initial allergy does fade over time. That's
| advertising/normalisation for you.
|
| Patio Cola.
| blaesus wrote:
| The company has an account on Bilibili[0], where its Chinese
| name is specified as Jing Ling . Jing , romanised as Jing,
| means "whales" (the animal). So JingOS would be "WhaleOS".
|
| (Ling , romanised as Ling, is another water animal known as
| "mud carp".)
|
| [https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Za4y1n7pY]
| adam-a wrote:
| While I agree it's probably not intentional the word is
| pretty common in British English.
| hnarn wrote:
| Obviously "pretty common" is, just like "obscure",
| completely subjective. I consider it obscure, but all I can
| say from looking it up is that at least according to Google
| Ngram, it's about 1/10 as common as "patriotism", which is
| saying something as that's been a declining word for a
| century. It's less common than "chauvinism", "sectarianism"
| and "xenophobia". In fact, tripling the popularity of
| "jingoism" still wouldn't make it as popular as any of
| those. It also peaked in the early 1900s and has since been
| on a low plateu, which again, _I consider_ a marker of
| obscurity.
| afavour wrote:
| To me the fact that Ngram shows the word "patriotism" on
| the decline throws doubt on using it for any measure like
| this. Within the US "patriotism" is used very commonly.
| It leads me to wonder whether Ngram leans too heavily on
| scientific or academic literature and not on the words
| that people actually use in everyday conversation.
|
| Does Ngram scan social media, TV or (to a lesser extent)
| newspapers? If not I'm dubious about the utility here.
| yorwba wrote:
| Unless there's a Google Ngram distinct from the Google
| Books Ngram Viewer https://books.google.com/ngrams/ ,
| their statistics are entirely based on material available
| in Google Books, which might include some newspapers, but
| probably not social media or TV.
| [deleted]
| Grustaf wrote:
| You can't open an issue of The Economist without seeing
| Trump or some dictator being accused of jingoism.
| GordonS wrote:
| And how common is it to be a reader of The Economist?
| usr1106 wrote:
| I have used English as my daily working language in
| software development for over 20 years and had never
| heard it before.
|
| Well, we don't discuss a lot of politics in international
| teams, that's a taboo topic especially when working with
| Chinese colleagues. And for Trump we have only one word,
| that I don't want to repeat here.
| Grustaf wrote:
| The English needed to discuss software is pretty limited.
| Grustaf wrote:
| Extremely common, it's the standard magazine for
| economics and politics.
| GordonS wrote:
| Maybe, but it's not "extremely common" to read _any_
| high-brow publications on politics and economics.
| chris_wot wrote:
| Well, it's used frequently in counties that used to be
| part of the British Empire it appears. Australians use it
| all the time.
| GordonS wrote:
| I'm a Brit, pushing 40. I'm educated to degree level (1st
| class, FWIW), and very well read (including the venerable
| Pratchett, though I don't think I have read Jingo yet).
|
| I think I heard the word "jingoism" for the first time
| ever around 5 years ago. It is _not_ a word one hears
| very often, and it certainly didn 't come to mind from
| "JingOS".
|
| If you often read high-brow political publications you
| may come across "jingoism" on the daily, but that is
| obviously not a huge cross-section of the public.
|
| TBH, kind of bizarre how strongly this jingoism thing is
| being pushed in this thread.
| antihero wrote:
| I think it could very much find its place repurposed within
| a capitalist context to describe the behaviour of big tech
| companies.
| hrktb wrote:
| I did know what jingoism is, but only barely, and mostly
| from history lessons and didn't think about it at all
| looking at the OS name.
|
| I agree that is still used, but arguably in very
| specialized contexts, and has many better and less
| idiomatic alternatives that make it a poor choice in many
| publication, helping it become rarer.
|
| I expect a lot of concept names not directly bound to the
| concept itself to slowly disappear, the same way calling
| dinnerware "china" won't stand for a lot more generations I
| think.
| Grustaf wrote:
| Not very obscure, but sure.
| hnarn wrote:
| Why isn't it obscure? Because you know it?
| ynx wrote:
| I heard the word throughout my (American) upbringing - it
| might not be used as much internationally but it's
| definitely not obscure by any stretch.
| wilsonrocks wrote:
| I think it might be used more in places that have history
| with European (maybe just British?) Colonialism.
| noir_lord wrote:
| I mean Terry Pratchett (very popular English language
| author) wrote a book literally called Jingo
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jingo_(novel)
|
| It's not a word you'd hear every day but it's a word I'd
| bet on the majority of genuinely literate people to
| understand.
| hnarn wrote:
| The HN filter bubble truly can be a staggering thing
| sometimes. I never knew I wasn't genuinely literate, but
| you learn something every day.
| emteycz wrote:
| They said that the majority of genuinely literate people
| will know it, that doesn't say _anything_ about you.
| hnarn wrote:
| It's still staggeringly elitist and unaware to assume
| that "genuinely" literate people (whatever that means)
| should not only know of Pratchett but also know his
| entire bibliography by heart. While it may come to a
| shock for English speakers from the UK and the US, not
| everyone that speaks English are American or British, and
| may not be primarily interested in literature from those
| countries.
| jmmcd wrote:
| > It's still staggeringly elitist and unaware to assume
| that "genuinely" literate people (whatever that means)
| should not only know of Pratchett
|
| The comment you're referring to didn't say that, or
| suggest it. So this is one red flag for your "genuine"
| literacy :)
| emteycz wrote:
| Genuinely literate people mostly know Pratchett, it's a
| extremely well known author consistently topping charts
| whose books are available in nearly every language of the
| world, very popular in Russia as well as Finland as well
| as Czechia and elsewhere. It shocks me (a Czech person)
| you'd claim otherwise, some of his books are actually
| required reading here - we read foreign literature just
| as much as local. It never struck me as elitist, this is
| pure merit - you're making it about nations but it's just
| about Pratchett being that good.
| gammalost wrote:
| Looked up that book on two different online stores in
| Sweden cdon and bokus. On both of them the book had zero
| reviews. Are swedish people not literate?
| emteycz wrote:
| I am very sure Pratchett is well known even in Sweden.
| What are the reviews for Romeo and Juliet? And again -
| not knowing Pratchett doesn't say that one isn't
| literate. The statement is "most genuinely literate
| people will know Pratchett". Stop being so defensive for
| nothing, nobody is attacking your intellect here...
| gammalost wrote:
| Besides not really sure how I am being "so defensive"? I
| made one comment agreeing with somebody
| emteycz wrote:
| > Are swedish people not literate?
|
| You're turning my statement around and perceive it as if
| I was suggesting Swedish people are not literate. That's
| not what I'm saying yet you're defending the Swedes.
| gammalost wrote:
| You made a broad statement and I used it to ask a broad
| question
| gammalost wrote:
| My bad, meant adlibris not bokus. Bokus has 3 reviews on
| it. But here's the difference on adlibris.
|
| https://www.adlibris.com/se/bok/romeo-and-
| juliet-97804862755...
|
| https://www.adlibris.com/se/bok/jingo-9781473200258
| Grustaf wrote:
| How many books at all have reviews on Bokus? Never seen
| any.
|
| Not that I'd want to put Pratchett in the literary canon,
| just making a point about Bokus.
| gammalost wrote:
| Yeah bokus is kind of weird. I meant adlibris, my bad
| reikonomusha wrote:
| Your assertion about what a majority of literate people
| know is almost surely false.
| andrewinardeer wrote:
| If it's relevant my cat is name Jingo.
| noir_lord wrote:
| Wanted to name mine Greebo but was over-ruled.
|
| In hindsight probably a good idea, not a self-fulfilling
| prophecy you'd want.
| chris_wot wrote:
| It's not that it's obscure because you do _not_ know it,
| that's for certain.
| chimen wrote:
| Will it receive an "update" from the supreme leader some time
| next year?
| modmans2nd wrote:
| Perhaps a less phonetically terrible name?
| freebuju wrote:
| This reminds me of DeepinOS though it's intentions are a bit
| different. The obsession the Chinese people have with iOS is
| insane though from a UX/UI it seems justifiable given user demand
| on this front. Simple gets the job done.
|
| It explains why for ex. Xiaomi themes it's mobile OS (MIUI) to
| appear more iOS-ish.
| dathinab wrote:
| This looks like a legal nightmare.
|
| I mean there are all kinds of protections of visual thinks like
| e.g. design patents.
|
| I would be highly surprised if this doesn't violate at least one
| or two apple hold still valid design patents or other protection
| mechanisms.
|
| Because lets be honest design/visual wise it's less iPad/iOs
| inspired but a bland clone of the iOs design on iPad with
| some/many minor but in the grater picture irrelevant changes.
| SmileyJames wrote:
| It's a Chinese company
| twelvechairs wrote:
| > We are based in Beijing and California.
|
| from their 'about' page
| Grustaf wrote:
| They can still be a 100% Chinese company.
| runawaybottle wrote:
| A bland ios clone is still miles ahead of any ui the other
| distros have.
| [deleted]
| viktorcode wrote:
| This does, but there won't be anyone using this distro for
| commercial purposes outside of China, so IP rights won' be
| enforced.
| hjek wrote:
| Apple has a patent on _scrollbars_. There 's no avoiding that
| legal nightmare.
| sonthonax wrote:
| It probably won't be sold using large distributors in the
| USA, and Apple won't have a legal case in China.
|
| In a way, the USA brought this upon themselves. Global
| intellectual property rights are prerequisite for
| international trade in services. But they also require
| international concorde on what they are.
|
| America has shot itself in the foot by diverging from
| international standards of copyright and intellectual
| property. And it's really myopic: for example, Disney will
| marginally increase the value of their IP holdings by
| lobbying for a perpetual license to Mickey Mouse; but it will
| also preclude Disney from ever trading their IP on equal
| terms with China.
| amelius wrote:
| It's a user interface, therefore it has to be familiar. What if
| cars all had the steering wheel in a different location?
| zepto wrote:
| Android doesn't look like this kind of exact knockoff, but
| somehow it's usable.
| dathinab wrote:
| Design patents can not be applied to purely functional
| aspects, so no you can keep you wheel round and on the for
| your country correct side.
|
| But you can have a design patent for the "looks and feel" of
| your headsup display to some degree. You can't make it cover
| what is one the display or that important parts are
| highlighted. But you can potentially cover the color pallet
| and how exactly you arrange information of the same not high
| importance level.
|
| I.e. in context of JingOs the way they cluster settings
| especially combined with the used color schema and similar
| aspects are very likely covered by design patents.
|
| Similar that notifications are a list of swipe-able settings
| in a box can't be covered by design patents, but that it has
| that graish color with that level of transparence, rounded
| corners, and similar might very well be covered.
|
| I personally don't like design patents but they are a thing
| which exists.
|
| Lastly the copy is so close that it might not just cause
| conflicts with design patents but also with copyright on the
| visual parts (not the underlying code!) of iOs.
| amelius wrote:
| You are probably right, but all these constraints are going
| to make old people and visually impaired people confused
| when switching to a different brand.
|
| Would it be allowed for a vendor to add a button which
| makes the interface looks like a competitor's interface?
| Grustaf wrote:
| Windows is much more different from iOS than this. So is KDE,
| ChromeOS etc. Even Android is. This is a straight copy, why
| pretend otherwise?
| eznzt wrote:
| Then you would end up like England.
| ben_w wrote:
| Clone is a subset of familiar -- you don't need to call your
| story about a wizard school "Barry Trotter and the
| Alchemist's Gem" just to set your audience's expectations,
| for example.
|
| (I'm not a lawyer so have no idea if this JingOS legally OK
| or not, but there is a difference between familiar and
| clone).
| weare138 wrote:
| Not a lawyer here but have UI design patents ever held up in
| court? All modern UI is derivative in some way. Apple lost a
| case to Microsoft on similar grounds.
|
| > _The court ruled that, "Apple cannot get patent-like
| protection for the idea of a graphical user interface, or the
| idea of a desktop metaphor [under copyright law]._
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer,_Inc._v._Micros...
| .
| Grustaf wrote:
| Didn't they win the billion dollar lawsuit when Samsung
| copied iOS almost as blatantly as this?
| weare138 wrote:
| That case was a huge convoluted mess. If I understand it
| correctly the UI patent claims were rejected and the case
| came down to 3 hardware design patents, D618,677, D593,087,
| and D504,889. But the case is so involved you damn near
| need a law degree just to follow it.
| thrill wrote:
| That's the same suit that Apple claimed dominion over
| rounded corners, too, isn't it?
| dathinab wrote:
| Note that Apple was able to use their slide to unlock design
| patent and that Apple in the linked curt case tired to "get
| patent-like protection for the idea of a graphical user
| interface [..]".
|
| In this case it's not about the idea about a GUI but the
| _very_ specific way the GUI was made wrt. non-functional
| aspects of the GUI.
|
| And even if there is no enforceable design patent there is
| still copyright and trademark protection. E.g. look at the
| settings icon which is basically screams "lets change the
| settings icons just enough to not be a copyright
| infringement". That icon is trademarked by Apple and the
| JingOs variant has still quite many of the points which
| define the Apple trademark, enough to open potential for a
| case. (They have 3 connection from the gear ring to the
| center at the exact same position, a "dot" at the center, a
| inner ring (but just one color instead of an gear) and the
| gear background color doesn't stretch to the sides of the
| icon (I have no idea why they didn't change that, it would be
| more different _and_ look better), they also replaced light
| silver with white. Anyway I would guess a trademark case for
| this detail has a good chance, especially given that this
| icon looks different enough to the other icons to not fit in,
| making it super clear that they somewhat forcefully wanted to
| make it look as much like Apple as possible. Instead of just
| using similar visual clues).
| dr_zoidberg wrote:
| I found it amusing how on the one side we're being told is a
| full-fledged Linux under the hood, and on the other side they
| felt it was worth noting that it comes with a native calculator
| app.
| NiekvdMaas wrote:
| Looking at the launch video [0], this looks very professional
| done. Which company is behind this? I can't find any info on the
| site. Is this team related to Huawei?
|
| 0. https://youtu.be/3E0ADUIiFzA
| monsieurbanana wrote:
| > Which company is behind this?
|
| This is the only thing I found with some limited googling:
|
| > Our team is very experienced in making gadgets. They are
| experts from Xiaomi/OPPO/Google/Ubuntu and other Consumer
| Electronic Companies. So what we are talking about here is not
| a low-end tablet for geeks and Linux users. It will be designed
| just like a tablet for consumers with the best quality we can
| achieve.
|
| From: https://www.facebook.com/JingOSfb/posts/the-idea-of-
| making-a...
| 867-5309 wrote:
| sounds a bit like OnePlus's OxygenOS
| freeone3000 wrote:
| OxygenOS is an Android fork (or reskin, if you're being
| less generous). It's much harder to get linux to behave
| reasonably on a tablet if you're not starting with Android.
| treszkai wrote:
| > Our team is very experienced in making gadgets. They are
| experts from Xiaomi/OPPO/Google/Ubuntu and other Consumer
| Electronic Companies.
|
| Interestingly, JingOS's About page [1] uses similar words but
| different companies:
|
| > Our team is very experienced. They are experts from Lenovo,
| Alibaba, Sumsung, Canonical/Ubuntu, Trolltech and other
| famous IT Companies.
|
| [1]: https://www.jingos.com/about/
| 0df8dkdf wrote:
| Wouldn't be surprised as it seems to be based in China.
| There are no shortage of tech talents that used to work in
| these big IT companies. Be interested to see how they stay
| true the FOSS principles and make this OS support more
| devices.
|
| Any competitions to existing duopoly are good.
| Rochus wrote:
| > _Trolltech_
|
| Trolltech, the creator of the Qt framework, became part of
| Nokia in 2008 and doesn't exist any more as a company
| since. So it's a rather strange reference.
| pekinlcc wrote:
| https://www.jingos.com/about/
| deaddodo wrote:
| I don't know if there's any shared code, but it looks like it's
| related to this Chinese project:
|
| https://fydeos.com/
| NiekvdMaas wrote:
| Not sure if it's the same company, but this ICP number also
| owns flintos.com;
|
| https://icplishi.com/%E4%BA%ACICP%E5%A4%8716065045%E5%8F%B7/
| deaddodo wrote:
| FydeOS used to be FlintOS
| throwbacktictac wrote:
| There is a link to https://fydeos.com/ at the bottom of the
| page. Fydeos is a friend project.
| monsieurbanana wrote:
| Who from HN would install a Chinese OS by choice? We have our
| own privacy issues from western companies, but at least we
| can hold them (minimally) accountable.
| throwaway4good wrote:
| If you are in Europe or any other place than the US, you
| are basically powerless to American big tech.
|
| Encouraging competition and using software from smaller
| companies, Chinese or not, is our only chance to level
| this.
| monsieurbanana wrote:
| I wouldn't say Europeans are powerless against american
| companies. Legally speaking, yes, but then so are
| Americans themselves. The only thing we can do nowadays
| is public outrage. Doesn't matter who writes the medium
| blog post, as long as it hits MAJOR_SOCIAL_NETWORK
| frontpage.
| usr1106 wrote:
| Well, if it is truly open source and has reasonably
| reproducible builds, I would absolutely use it.
|
| Unfortunately most Chinese suppliers don't take their GPLv2
| obligations very serious when it comes to Linux kernel
| drivers for example. If these new(?) players do, I can only
| applaud it.
| monsieurbanana wrote:
| The lack of transparency in who they are isn't really
| raising my hopes...
| throwaway4good wrote:
| I suppose it is a matter of approach.
|
| But if you have a group with the design chops capable of
| producing this; then surely you can make so it doesn't look like
| a deliberate Apple copy?
|
| Just look at the comments here in this thread; half of the
| reaction is about this is a rip off of Apple and legal this and
| that, ignoring what a massive contribution a well-designed tablet
| UI is.
| Grustaf wrote:
| Well, so far it's only a concept video, right? A concept video
| where the design is taken from iPadOS whole cloth.
| alexfringes wrote:
| (null)
| Jkvngt wrote:
| Mian Xiang Wei Lai De Yun Qu Dong Cao Zuo Xi Tong
|
| Geng Kuai Su , Geng Jian Dan , Geng Gao Xiao , Geng An Quan ,
| He Xin Ji Zhu Zi Zhu Ke Kong
| gjsman-1000 wrote:
| The real danger is that if the code is open-source, I could fully
| see knockoff or counterfeit devices taking this project,
| replacing the icons with rips from iPadOS, and trying to sell it.
| oaiey wrote:
| If just they would focus all this work in one desktop environment
| and its app instead of having yet another fork.
|
| As awesome as this is, this is no contribution to the Linux
| Desktop.
| captainmuon wrote:
| But there is no single "Linux Desktop". If these people would
| contribute to e.g. Gnome instead, they might help improve Gnome
| but they couldn't realize _this_ idea.
|
| Personally I think there is little benefit to having one single
| Linux desktop that is equivalent to Windows or macOS, just with
| a different theme and a different kernel. Desktop Linux is
| about choice (TM).
| pjmlp wrote:
| Hence why all successful consumer OSes that have the Linux
| kernel running underneath them, have nothing to do with that
| choice freedom.
| oaiey wrote:
| Well that is a good idea. But it has a problem: dev and ux
| capacity. When you try to make 20 different than you split
| your force into 20 different projects. Apple and Microsoft do
| not have this problem and will therefore always lead the
| pack.
| himujjal wrote:
| Exactly my point. The Linux is all about choice argument
| means workforce distribution.
|
| Sure, for different hardware (RPi, Tablets, PC, Mobile etc)
| different distros/DEs make sense. But for a single similar
| hardware, (PC for example) I never understood why distros
| like Manjaro and KDE neon are separate. Wish those teams
| were together and built a kick-ass serious competitor.
| hvaoc wrote:
| For Linux users, we look for credible source for something as
| important as Operating Systems. Usually from known entity or open
| source community. It would be great if you can clarify.
|
| Also since it is just getting started, you would be better off
| not using iPad, Apple kind of words. Instead use neutral terms
| like Linux OS optimized for Tablets, before it is too late.
|
| Also heavy influence of Apple Marketing on your preview video, it
| would serve you well if you have the actual working copy of the
| OS on a tablet shown as demo as well. Hope you are making that
| video as well.
| yitchelle wrote:
| The headline is rather confusion. At first glance, I thought
| that there is a Linux distro for running on the iPad. but that
| is clearly not the case.
| hangtwenty wrote:
| It's great to give feedback, it's also good to remember: not
| every distro (or project, in general) is trying to court every
| user or every audience. To me that's the beauty of FOSS, it's
| open ended.
| echelon wrote:
| I'm scratching my head as to why they mentioned "iPad" as well.
|
| Android is already a Linux tablet OS. It's like they ignored
| the elephant in the room. Ubuntu also runs on tablets. (edit:
| this is based in Ubuntu!)
|
| Besides that point, Apple is pretty much the opposite of free
| computing. It's a gross comparison.
|
| Edit: Looking at their Reddit timeline, it appears as though
| they've made a lot of progress in a few short months, so I
| applaud that. I just wish people would stop trying to copy
| Apple at everything. It's a turn off.
| Toutouxc wrote:
| They're copying the iPad because it's the only tablet that
| doesn't suck and sells in any meaningful numbers.
| lostlogin wrote:
| Isn't the Surface line selling ok?
|
| I can't stand them, but those that have them seem to love
| them.
| pjmlp wrote:
| Windows tablets, aka laptops with detachable keyboards, are
| also doing pretty well.
|
| Android keeps having problems because Google is unable to
| drive the ecosystem to actually care, what a surprise.
| girvo wrote:
| That's almost in spite of Tablet Windows though.
| pjmlp wrote:
| That is to be expected.
|
| There are plenty of countries where iPads are out of
| reach for regular consumer, and Android Tablets are in
| practice phones with bigger screens, given how little the
| ecosystem cares about them, so that leaves Windows
| devices as only choice for consumers.
| thaumasiotes wrote:
| > Android Tablets are in practice phones with bigger
| screens
|
| How do iPads differ?
| Toutouxc wrote:
| iPad apps are made for the iPad with the form factor in
| mind. There is almost no tablet ecosystem on Android.
| herbst wrote:
| What are people doing with their tablets that a iPad is a
| meaningful benefit?
|
| I could read my shitter news on any device with a screen,
| as well as control my smart home.
| reikonomusha wrote:
| Could you also easily clone Dropbox's functionality with
| a server and rsync? :)
| mattdeboard wrote:
| My ipad is my primary non-work computer.
| pjmlp wrote:
| Desktop replacement for pen based workflows, like
| drawing, designing diagrams, architecture sketches, UI
| mockups,...
|
| When coupled with keyboard, office like workflows,
| coupled with the pen to do the drawings instead of trying
| to use the mouse as pencil since many users have done
| during the last couple of decades.
|
| Programming on the go with environments like Playgrounds,
| Pythonista, Continuous, Shaderific.
| Toutouxc wrote:
| Well, I could probably do my work on a Raspberry Pi, yet
| here I am with a MacBook. Ease of use. Aesthetics. Speed.
| hangtwenty wrote:
| Comparing to a $GOOG tablet would raise privacy questions
| pretty quickly, I think
|
| This isn't an A vs B thing to me, it's just that comparing to
| an ipad says something to a lot of users, and quickly. If
| this project succeeds, it will give some alternatives to
| closed-ecosystem things, to new/other people (with a cheaper
| cost to them). So the reservations about Apple are actually
| reasons to support this project, in that way. Thoughts?
| iFreilicht wrote:
| The iPad is the only device I own that's not running Linux.
| It is so damn good for the price, the UI is so smooth, so
| well designed, there is just so much polish. I bought the
| 128GB version with a pencil for 350EUR used.
|
| I am longing for a Linux alternative, but any Android tablets
| of similarly high quality are just so much more expensive,
| and actual Linux is still far away in terms of usability.
|
| What I want is an iPad, but with Linux. I'm sure I'm not the
| only one, and Jingling knows that.
| mintone wrote:
| The reply that's missing for you is that the UI is clearly
| (to an iPadOS user) heavily inspired by that of the iPad -
| they are making that the selling point:
|
| > iPadOS-like UI and UX
|
| And WRT your other comments, you're probably not the target
| for this. I run dozens of Linux machines for work stuff but
| everything in my personal ecosystem is Apple because I don't
| find config fun. Different horses for different courses.
| monsieurbanana wrote:
| > Besides that point, Apple is pretty much the opposite of
| free computing. It's a gross comparison.
|
| Isn't that what they said? They stated that one of the
| reasons to create a new OS is that Apple is a closed
| platform. You can't blame them to go further than that in a
| marketing video, it's not like they're posting anonymous
| comments on an internet forum.
| mattdeboard wrote:
| I wouldn't have even bothered to click the link if they
| hadn't used the word ipad.
| emteycz wrote:
| What's elephant for you is a fly for most others. My
| grandmother is afraid of things like Ubuntu.
| hindsightbias wrote:
| > turn off
|
| Speaking as a hacker or a consumer?
|
| "Apple's domination of the global tablet market continued in
| the third quarter of 2020, according to market research firm
| Canalys, with iPad shipments seeing an estimated 47% year-
| over-year growth rate thanks to coronavirus trends."
|
| The market is speaking, and consumers don't care about what
| the OS is. They never have, and never will.
|
| https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/11/12/apple-extends-
| mas...
| Grustaf wrote:
| On the contrary, people care very much about the OS and
| they want iOS.
| pjmlp wrote:
| They are also quite happy using devices with Windows,
| ChromeOS, WebOS and Android.
|
| Just not pure GNU/Linux or BSDs (other than those
| packaged by Apple and Sony).
| Uehreka wrote:
| Hard disagree on the "Apple kind of words" stuff. The iPad is
| the best tablet. I wish there were good competitors, I'd buy
| them, but there aren't. To the extent someone can make a tablet
| OS with the look and affordances of iPadOS but with the added
| ability to do stuff iPadOS won't allow (like writing/compiling
| code), they should absolutely be encouraged to do so.
| herbst wrote:
| Why? Sure samsung ships a horrible android, but in what
| things is a clean real android behind iOS?
| charrondev wrote:
| Are there any android tablets with a decent chip in them?
| Almost everyone I've seen is using a very weak CPU.
|
| The iPad chips just run away from even the top end android
| tablets. Maybe I wouldn't care as much but my experience on
| android tablets is they are just laggy. Slow to open
| things, little stutters throughout the OS, etc.
| f1refly wrote:
| 1. This was about software, not about the hardware it
| runs on. 2. Vanilla android runs very, very smooth
| because the hardware is optimized for the way it works.
| If the android tablets you saw where laggy, that's most
| likely because of the abominations android has been
| warped into by the manufacturer. My android phone is four
| years old and still buttery smooth.
| tluyben2 wrote:
| Yeah, if the ipad pro would run a real OS (like linux) it
| would be the only device I would have.
| pjmlp wrote:
| iPad OS is a real OS, not every real OS has to be an UNIX
| clone with a CLI.
| tluyben2 wrote:
| Well, I think you know what I mean: allowing some degree
| of software freedom. I do not need a cli: ide and
| compiler though...
|
| My iPad pro is fast enough to do my dev work but I cannot
| run the tools to do dev.
|
| Your comment is a bit weird as you know very well what
| people here mean: iPad is generally seen as something you
| cannot produce things on. I do not agree with that:
| unlike others here, I type as fast on the keyboard of the
| pro (not the new one: not tried that) as on my MacBook
| and Lenovo. But it just misses the applications as they
| are forbidden. My wife is a writer and she needs nothing
| else. The only thing I am saying is that for me the
| walled gardens and particular not compiling restrictions
| make it a bitter sweet device: I love it but I cannot do
| my work on it.
| footrot wrote:
| So if this is a good tablet design/UI, what is wrong with Gnome3?
| tomc1985 wrote:
| I wonder if this is going to be the OS of choice for flea-market
| iPad counterfeits/knockoffs... the Files screen even says "On my
| Pad" in the shown screenshot. Everything looks close enough to be
| able to possibly fool an untrained eye.
| [deleted]
| iFreilicht wrote:
| And the makers of JingOS, Jingling, are a China-based company
| working on the JingPad, an ARM tablet designed to run Linux
| OOTB. I'm sure we'll see a lot of variants of that quite soon
| after their release in July, and many people having fun hacking
| them.
| toyg wrote:
| Aah, that explains the name! I was banging my head trying to
| understand what was "jingoistic" about this OS...
| MeinBlutIstBlau wrote:
| Haha my mind thought the same thing!
| zhobbs wrote:
| I would think an Android skin would still be preferable. Much
| bigger ecosystem of touch optimized apps.
| Razengan wrote:
| > _Much bigger ecosystem of touch optimized apps._
|
| What?? Hell NO!
|
| Most Android "tablet" apps are upscaled phone apps, if even
| that. The last time I checked, apps specifically developed
| for Android tablets were far fewer (and worse) than apps
| specifically made for iPads.
| smegma2 wrote:
| The parent comment was comparing Android with JingOS, not
| iOS.
| footrot wrote:
| Pad is also a star trek throw back, and a word. I don't see why
| apple should have dominion on that word. Short and succinct.
| ben_w wrote:
| They have dominion of the word "Apple" in the context of
| consumer electronics, and "Pad" is easy to misread in context
| as "iPad", leaving open the reasonable possibility of
| customer confusion. That's basically what trademarks are both
| for and there to prevent.
| seniorivn wrote:
| This Pad thing only relevant because they copycat all up/ux
|
| It would be totally justified to call new/innovative
| tablet/OS a Pad
| cpuguy83 wrote:
| It would be Apple's obligation as a trademark holder to
| try and stop it, however.
|
| The word may be too generic, but the intent seems
| specifically to confuse.
| tomc1985 wrote:
| What, have we forgotten all the maxipad jokes from when
| iPad was introduced??
| afavour wrote:
| I don't think the OP is suggesting Apple have dominion over
| the word. But the word _in combination_ with this UI would be
| difficult to defend in court.
| zepto wrote:
| PADD is the start trek term, not the word pad. It's an
| acronym.
|
| Very different from iPad.
| 0dayz wrote:
| To be honest if it doesn't install and use flatpak/snap for apps,
| then I think its only a glorified desktop DE.
| 0df8dkdf wrote:
| _JingOS is a full-function Linux based on Ubuntu_
|
| Why on Ubuntu not Debian? If you forking something fork from more
| legit upstream distro. What are they including in Ubuntu that
| Debian doesn't have concerns me due to Ubuntu's track record.
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