[HN Gopher] US intelligence agencies have 180 days to share what...
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US intelligence agencies have 180 days to share what they know
about UFOs
Author : sahin
Score : 107 points
Date : 2021-01-10 14:18 UTC (8 hours ago)
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| wojciii wrote:
| The Stargate is real!?
| leosarev wrote:
| That's part of US legal system which always amuses me. I think
| it's forbidden to have a bill with different matters mixed by our
| (Russian) parlament's bylaws, and I was pretty sure that's a
| popular stipulation in many parlament systems
| eatingCake wrote:
| Who decides that they are "different matters"?
| alisonkisk wrote:
| The executive and then the courts, same people who decide
| what every law means.
| jacquesm wrote:
| That's going to be a pretty short release then.
| ineedasername wrote:
| Especially because it has to be unclassified: "We see things
| and sometimes we don't know what they are". And various other
| more complicated ways of saying that.
| Natsu wrote:
| Given that UFO means _unidentified_ flying object, wouldn 't that
| tend to look something like "X reported seeing XYZ, we don't know
| what it was"?
| pacamara619 wrote:
| Yes! Precisely! Somehow people started associating UFOs with
| flying saucers and aliens. How would they know it's aliens if
| the U stands for unidentified?
| zrm wrote:
| > Somehow people started associating UFOs with flying saucers
| and aliens.
|
| I saw a video (that I can't currently find) of Feynman
| explaining this once.
|
| The US government had a classified program that suspended
| 1940s saucer microphones from a balloon at a height in the
| atmosphere that would allow them to listen for Soviet atomic
| tests.
|
| The balloon crashes and some reporters are out sniffing
| around. Someone with loose lips lets slip that it was a
| _flying saucer_. You can imagine what the artist 's rendition
| based on that description looked like.
|
| Then, since the program was classified, the official
| explanation becomes that it was a weather balloon or
| something, and a conspiracy theory is born.
| apeace wrote:
| Not sure where your source comes from, but the term came
| into popular use in the year 1947.
|
| It was most likely first used after Kenneth Arnold's famous
| report where he described a "saucer-like" shape. That story
| blew up, and people started reporting "flying saucers"
| everywhere.
|
| It even got into the heads of some government officials.
| For example, the initial press release given _by the
| airforce_ for the Roswell incident was that they had
| captured a "flying disc". They later made a correction
| that it was a weather balloon, but you can see how the
| government making such statements would cause confusion and
| add to the mania.
|
| On the Wikipedia page for the incident you can see the
| original news articles:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_UFO_incident
| notahacker wrote:
| Arnold has suggested his original remarks to the press
| referred to the _motion_ of a saucer skipping across
| water rather than the shape too; his original report
| showed a semicircular front and triangular tail
|
| https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/06/th
| e-m...
| dogma1138 wrote:
| Yep the shape was likely closer to a B2 as in a flying
| wing than an actually flying saucer.
|
| It's quite possible that what he saw was the YB-35 or a
| similar experimental aircraft.
|
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_YB-35
| matthewdgreen wrote:
| Except that according to his measurements, they were
| moving at twice the speed of sound.
| dogma1138 wrote:
| His measurements could've been wrong, it's nearly
| impossible to accurately measure distance and size in the
| air, using a tachometer to estimate speed is rather
| inaccurate under best conditions.
|
| In 1947 your cockpit would likely not even have a true
| airspeed indicator, there would be no ground speed
| indicators, no radar nor any other electro optical
| ranging devices.
|
| The YB-49 was already jet powered
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_YB-49
|
| Whilst not supersonic it's quite possible that he
| could've encountered one of these too or another flying
| wing variant.
|
| This quite frankly more plausible than aliens as an
| explanation, the time frame of the sighting matches the
| period during which the USAF was exploring a lot of
| flying wing designs and that it was also the first time
| that jet powered aircraft began to appear and when
| turboprops were reaching nearly transonic speeded.
|
| So overall it's very likely that what he saw was an
| experimental aircraft that was much faster than any
| aircraft that he encountered in the past and the
| slightest of errors in the estimation of size and range
| would have pushed any airspeed calculation into the
| supersonic range.
| dheera wrote:
| I dunno, the flying saucer / alien stuff is kind of fun to
| watch people go nuts over and pretty harmless. I think a
| Goodyear blimp was mistaken recently for aliens too:
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUjO03loz8M
| apeace wrote:
| I take the meaning to be "unidentified to the general public,
| perhaps identified or speculated about in classified reports
| that have not yet been shared with Congress".
| polishdude20 wrote:
| You can see how the title says UFO's. If it's a confirmed
| alien from another planet, that's not a UFO anymore, it's an
| IFO (identified)
| cma wrote:
| "Here are the classified flight characteristics of what we
| believe to have been a Russian hypersonic weapon test but we
| don't know that for certain; we're pretty sure the Chinese
| weren't able to capture this data but we're going to hand it
| over to them now at the behest of domestic conspiracy
| theorists."
| aurizon wrote:
| Yes, The Russians test their research missiles off the US
| coast, when they have huge, well controlled land and ocean
| areas where they need not fear any US snapshots and US jet
| chases...
| m463 wrote:
| People are expecting the opening of the alien archive,
| including desiccated grey bodies, weapons that shoot blue blobs
| of light and wormhole generators.
| digitalsushi wrote:
| I've always been very disappointed that evidence of UFOs has been
| inversely proportional with our ability to record it.
| aergaerg wrote:
| Hunter Biden is a PEDOPHILE! - Arrest him now!
|
| https://twitter.com/vakushevan/status/1348012249479307266
| aurizon wrote:
| Yes, ask ;- View;-, then verify - aye, there's the rub...
| scotty79 wrote:
| More footage of passing ducks and falling debris that they didn't
| bother to identify and filed as Unidentified?
| ineedasername wrote:
| It's surreal that with everything going on in the US & the world,
| _this_ is one of the priorities that made it into the bill.
| jariel wrote:
| Given who's in charge, it really isn't.
|
| The President should have leaned into this harder. It could
| have been a really nice distraction for all the nutty people to
| get angry about that would have no effect on the country.
|
| It's perfectly on brand for him.
|
| He could have 'blamed the deep state' and frankly thrown in all
| sorts of fantasies.
|
| And then even if that playpen got knocked over, it wouldn't
| matter.
|
| And honestly: _who wouldn 't_ vote for someone who promised to
| show you all those aliens that the government is hiding!
| Seriously!
| DennisAleynikov wrote:
| agree on every step, just not the nutty association. ufos
| should be a bipartisan issue not some insane vendetta trump
| has against the "deep state"
|
| promising it probably wouldnt have as wide of an appeal
| outside of closeted posadism dreamers.
| jariel wrote:
| Of course 'it should be serious' ... but the reality is
| that politics is 90% theatre, and the current President's
| primary skill is this arena: 'The Apprentice' is work of
| masterful reality TV fiction, that is passed of as
| 'reality'.
|
| Here is an angle that he could have taken:
|
| "When I first became President they showed me some things.
|
| Very, very interesting things.
|
| Things you wouldn't believe.
|
| Crazy things, that have been going on for the last 100
| years.
|
| UFOs. Secret Wars. Weapons. China. Russia.
|
| ... and a lot more.
|
| You wouldn't even believe me without the facts!
|
| I said: 'The American people have a right to know!'
|
| But they said: 'This is classified Mr. President, and it's
| too sensitive for them'.
|
| _They_ have blocked me the whole time!
|
| _They_ are so afraid that you might find out the Truth!
|
| _They_ have been covering up for decades!
|
| You, the American people, have a right to know!
|
| But _they_ are going to do everything they can to stop me.
|
| The bureaucrats. The hidden apparatus. The press. The
| Agencies.
|
| They don't believe you can handle the truth, but I DO!
|
| I'm the President, but I can tell you that I'm putting my
| life in danger by doing this.
|
| They will stop at nothing to keep these secrets!
|
| If you re-elect me, I'm going to declassify it.
|
| All of it!
|
| NO. MORE. SECRETS!
|
| UFOs. The wars. The 'other species'. The other side of the
| moon. The spacecraft - I'm telling you all of it!
|
| You have a right to know!
|
| It's time for Real Freedom, America!"
|
| ...
|
| So this is much better reality TV theatre because despite
| the fact there's some legitimacy to information clearing,
| it would be largely, politically benign.
|
| But it plays right into a deeply held populist concern in
| America and that is of course 'all those secrets' and it's
| a non-partisan issue.
|
| It also plays right into his 'Me vs. the Evil Bureaucracy'
| populist narrative.
|
| It's the 'ultimate conspiracy' with Libertarian shades that
| even more serious, intellectual types can buy into on some
| level - I mean really _who wouldn 't want to see all those
| secrets_?
|
| It's very tantalizing I think to everyone.
|
| Most importantly - it's not hateful or divisive - a more
| benign kind of snake oil.
|
| Instead of 'Insurrection on Capitol Hill' - you get
| 'Insurrection at Area 51' - which is a nice place to keep
| the plebes occupied.
| lsllc wrote:
| This:
|
| _" Insurrection at Area 51"_
|
| Happened already, it was called "Storm Area 51" on Sept
| 20, 2019.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storm_Area_51
| brighton36 wrote:
| There is no professional opinion on this matter. I find this so
| entertaining.
| ionwake wrote:
| Because even 10 years ago there were hand held jet drones that
| could do everything and more than any grainy UFO footage. All
| UFO footage is merely tech that the authorities at the time
| hadn't been able to label at the time.
| egfx wrote:
| How about 25 years ago of an object zipping across the night
| sky at lightning speed and hopping around like a ping pong
| ball? To me it wasn't a drone or anything real or tangible at
| all. For me, it was most likely to be a projection that
| looked like something solid in the sky.
| alisonkisk wrote:
| You have absolutely no way of knowing how far away it was
| or how fast it was moving.
| egfx wrote:
| Exactly how far and how fast? No. Just like you can't
| know exactly how far or how fast a plane or a bird is.
| But I guarantee you that it didn't move like anything
| else I've ever seen in the sky. As far as how it looked,
| nondescript, like a star.
| Supermancho wrote:
| I don't talk about my singular UFO experience too often. Last
| time was 2013, so I guess I'm due again.
|
| It was spring break, 1996. I drove down from Sonoma State
| University to Orange County. From there me, my best friend
| from 1st grade, his highschool crush Angie (who awkwardly had
| a crush on me) and her younger sister Psyge (damn hippies) go
| to the grand canyon (another undocumented adventure). We are
| on our way back and stop at a diner near Joshua Tree. We
| drive under an hour from there and randomly pick a spot to
| drive off the freeway (just past Wiley's Well Rest Area off
| the 10fwy) and set up camp again. We have no drugs, no
| alcohol, and have spent a number of days together in
| campsites and hotels and are still in a rather good mood. It
| gets dark and gets a little cold. We have a raging fire. We
| are playing truth or dare. I pretend to throw an earring into
| the fire (I had dropped it in a safe edge of the fire pit
| where it wouldn't get hurt, with a bit of sleight of hand)
| and we're all abuzz about how I just destroyed Angie's nice
| earring and ruined the set. Then I look up. There are lights
| on, what appears to be, the bottom of a craft. It's floating
| toward us from far away, but something doesn't look right. We
| think there's an airbase nearby because of all the
| planes/helicopters flying over a ridge (across the highway
| and in the distance over 20 miles away) during the daytime,
| which is still visible by moonlight. This thing is heading
| from another distant place, toward the ridge (and ostensibly
| to the ocean). This is going to pass over us along it's path.
| We can't tell what it is. We can't tell if it's a formation
| of multiple things or 1 thing...it can't be one thing. This
| thing might be big. Like a building, big. Nothing appears
| that big unless you're really close. It must be really really
| low to appear that big, or it would have to be unimaginably
| massive. We tend the fire down and turn off the music blaring
| from the car, for better vision and out of nervousness. It
| flies near and then directly over us, blocking out the stars.
| A couple city blocks worth of stars are eclipsed by this
| silent black triangle. Even at a couple thousand feet, it's
| unimaginably sized. The only thing comparably massive I have
| seen is a cruise ship and this was bigger than The Angels
| Baseball Stadium. Dead silently, it floats over the highway
| and on toward the far ridge. Traditional craft (copters
| and/or planes) come from the same direction the UFO came from
| and along the same path toward the ridge and craft, then the
| UFO's lights start to move and it's tilting and then folding
| in a way that should not be possible, but it's just too far
| to make out at this point. Then the lights and shadow
| disappear behind the far ridge. Similar reports of what I saw
| (although not identical) can be found:
|
| http://www.ufoinfo.com/roundup/v01/rnd01_34.shtml
|
| http://www.latest-ufo-sightings.net/2010/06/two-triangle-
| ufo... <-- these are the lights I saw but MUCH MUCH MUCH
| closer to the ground
|
| Back in 2001 there were still sites listing the other
| sightings of the same thing (and other unusual things) seen @
| Joshua Tree around that time. Many of those accounts seem to
| have been lost to web-rot, some are featured on various Alien
| Encounters video trash.
|
| Interestingly, a boeing employee posted (on some random site)
| about stealth blimps that the US was developing, in secret,
| in violation of a stealth-tech non-proliferation treaty. One
| of the prototypes was a massive triangular blimp (there's a
| site now: http://www.thestealthblimp.com/). This is likely
| what my friends and I saw. I never once believed it to be
| some sort of alien craft, but it did disturb me for awhile.
| pashsdk27 wrote:
| David Fravor on Lex Fridman's podcast mentions flying low
| and scaring campers for fun. Your case sounds similar.
| JKCalhoun wrote:
| I would wonder why an alien visitor wouldn't have the sense
| to turn the headlights off. ;-)
|
| I would love to have seen what you saw though. Being so
| close to a cluster of air bases though, it is very likely
| you saw some kind of experiment.
| m4rtink wrote:
| Looks like some of the airship to orbit crafts proposed by
| JP Aeropace:
|
| https://rimstar.org/space/jp_aerospace_balloon_airship_to_o
| r...
| knz wrote:
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_X-37
|
| We know that they have similar technology in production
| today (using more conventional technology but with the
| same result).
|
| It's also likely no coincidence that "Space Force" is a
| thing now.
| [deleted]
| jacknews wrote:
| Or else!
| heelix wrote:
| I go camping near the Minnesota/Canada boarder, usually without
| packing along any electronics or cell signal. (I have
| occasionally carried a telescope in) I think it was Memorial
| weekend, 2019, where I saw a string of unusual satellites. Not
| something I'd ever seen before -- and we were all laughing that
| here we were, seeing UFOs, and not a single one of us had a cell
| phone. We found out when we were home that they were the Starlink
| launch.
|
| (found a video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jsAKSAbpU8 )
| spoonjim wrote:
| Now that it's cheaper than ever to make a FO I expect to hear of
| a lot more UFOs.
| sahin wrote:
| Our universe is huge. We dont even a number to describe the
| amount of planets out there.
|
| If there is life on earth that come from a single cell organism,
| there will be millions of life forms that evolve.
|
| Aliens is not fact more like a belief. I grew up with x-files so
| i want to believe.
|
| If there are man made or alien made advanced crafts, governments
| and secret agencies in government will have vastly intelligence
| about them.
|
| This is the interesting part and important part: if government
| approves that there are objects that uses technology and physics
| in different ways , this will challenge thousands of minds that
| will lead to disruption in the tech and physics.
| ficklepickle wrote:
| Maybe somebody here can help me understand what I saw a couple of
| years ago.
|
| Basically, I saw what appeared to be two satellites on a
| collision course. One was bright and travelling across my FOV
| from left to right fairly slowly. Then another much dimmer and
| faster light appeared in the right of my FOV and appeared to be
| on a collision course.
|
| At the moment of apparent collision (from my POV) they appeared
| to very rapidly orbit around each other some number of times,
| before continuing on their original course. I believe the dim one
| was moving more slowly than before, but I am unsure.
|
| This happened around July of 2018 I believe. From lat,lon of
| about 49.25,-123.12 looking south at the night sky at about
| 45deg.
|
| My best guess is it was an optical illusion, the two satellites
| were at different altitude and only appeared to be on a collision
| course from my point of view. Some sort of lensing effect? I
| don't know.
| gandalfian wrote:
| What about the identified flying objects?
| wiz21c wrote:
| rotfl!
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