[HN Gopher] Crash: Sriwijaya B735 at Jakarta, lost height and im...
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       Crash: Sriwijaya B735 at Jakarta, lost height and impacted Java Sea
        
       Author : parsecs
       Score  : 47 points
       Date   : 2021-01-09 19:06 UTC (3 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (avherald.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (avherald.com)
        
       | 101008 wrote:
       | I didnt know avherald but what a great resource. Also, a bit
       | scary that it seems to be daily accidents/incidents...
        
         | fendy3002 wrote:
         | Fortunately most are minor problems. The C rated one is still
         | kinda rare, especially on passengers flights.
        
           | codetrotter wrote:
           | C means casualties or crash or something else?
        
             | doktorhladnjak wrote:
             | crash
        
         | neurotech1 wrote:
         | AvHerald is one of my preferred sources of information
         | regarding airline accidents. Additionally, several trusted
         | aviation youtubers use it as a source of news related to
         | accidents. Simon Hradecky, the site owner, very much sticks to
         | the facts.
        
         | implements wrote:
         | In case you don't know it, https://www.pprune.org/
         | (Professional Pilots Rumour Network) is another go-to site for
         | Aviation news and incidents - it's heavier weight than the
         | "rumour" part of the name suggests.
        
       | arnon wrote:
       | Previous discussion:
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25699338
        
       | tutfbhuf wrote:
       | Completely unrelated but it somehow reminds me of flight MH370.
        
         | NikolaeVarius wrote:
         | How? The only commonality is that its an Aviation incident that
         | lost an entire hull, but thats common major aviation incidents.
         | 
         | We know where this went down and already have debris.
         | 
         | MH370 probably also didn't go down due to catastrophic hull
         | failure, as it seems probable in this case.
        
           | haihaibye wrote:
           | A commonality is they're both in South East Asia.
        
             | nikau wrote:
             | Go home boys, this case is closed.
        
             | medecau wrote:
             | a really small geographic area
        
       | bullen wrote:
       | Has anyone considered that the kerosene quality might be to
       | blame?
        
         | na85 wrote:
         | Typically the crash investigation folks are open to considering
         | every angle. Reputable airworthiness investigation programs
         | will conduct a root cause analysis and compile a comprehensive
         | report that can take months, sometimes even years.
         | 
         | Until more evidence and/or debris is found it's pointless to
         | speculate as to the cause.
        
         | NikolaeVarius wrote:
         | I dont understand what this comment is supposed to accomplish.
         | Its just a wild random guess?
        
         | phreeza wrote:
         | Whats the failure mode with bad kerosene? The rapid loss of
         | height doesn't sound like a failed engine or similar.
        
         | cjbprime wrote:
         | That sounds like it would cause engine failure. If your engine
         | fails at a reasonable altitude soon after takeoff, you don't
         | suddenly nose-dive, you glide back in to land at the nearest
         | airport as every pilot regularly trains for.
        
       | xwdv wrote:
       | What is going on with aircraft in this part of the world? Highly
       | publicized crashes that claim hundreds of innocent lives for
       | mysterious reasons.
       | 
       | Is it just shitty airlines?
        
         | netsharc wrote:
         | Black swan event?
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_swan_theory
         | 
         | I can't remember the last air crash in SE Asia. Thousands of
         | flights take off and land there safely every day...
         | 
         | Edit to add: they're highly publicized because they're so rare.
         | One of the last crashes in Indonesia I can recall is the
         | 737MAX, and that's [Edit: Wrong info! It crashed October 2018!]
         | almost 2 years ago (March 2019).
        
         | cjbprime wrote:
         | Yes, the accident rates do vary by country and airline, with
         | factors like how experienced (in hours) the pilots are required
         | to be, how well-trained they are, how old the aircraft are, how
         | well-maintained they are, whether there is a robust safety
         | culture in which people feel they can speak up against unsafe
         | behavior both while in the air and on the ground..
        
         | arnon wrote:
         | Lots of factors go into it.
         | 
         | The routes, air traffic control, politics and "respect" in the
         | cockpit, maintenance procedures, weather, age of aircraft, etc.
         | 
         | Developing countries have it bad on most of the fronts.
         | 
         | However, sometimes it's just freak accidents...
        
       | vondur wrote:
       | Yikes, some witnesses have reported the sounds of explosions. I
       | wonder if it was from the aircraft hitting the water or something
       | on the plane exploding before crashing into the ocean?
        
         | medecau wrote:
         | ... and the rumors start.
        
       | vmception wrote:
       | wow someone missed the flight because their PCR COVID test took a
       | few hours longer to arrive
        
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