[HN Gopher] Amazon, Berkshire Hathaway, JPMorgan End Health-Care...
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       Amazon, Berkshire Hathaway, JPMorgan End Health-Care Venture Haven
        
       Author : jweir
       Score  : 36 points
       Date   : 2021-01-04 19:21 UTC (3 hours ago)
        
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 (TXT) w3m dump (www.cnbc.com)
        
       | DIVx0 wrote:
       | I'd be curious to know some more details. The article says
       | turnover was a problem at all levels, but why?
       | 
       | I am in this same industry and I'm really interested to learn
       | what a massively well connected and funded startup discovered
       | that made it better to toss in the towel.
        
         | djohnston wrote:
         | Admittedtly without evidence, I would speculate that they ran
         | up against institutional players who had better lobbying power
         | for this industry. There is no technical limitation to explain
         | why our healthcare system sucks, it's some crazy combination of
         | inefficient policies, beaurocracies, and established parties
         | who benefit from the preceding two. But agreed, would love to
         | see more.
        
           | supertrope wrote:
           | "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when
           | his salary depends on his not understanding it." - Upton
           | Sinclair
           | 
           | There's no single institution or person holding us back. Real
           | life isn't a movie with a villain who can be defeated and
           | then we live happily ever after. There's no magic HealthCare
           | Bot 3000 technology or hack that will deliver a breakthrough
           | in curing disease and injury, and/or disrupt current business
           | models. Hospitals don't want to lose revenue. Physicians who
           | don't want to lose revenue and turf. Drugmakers don't want to
           | lose revenue. Patients refuse to opt into* any limits on
           | care, demand nearly perfectly safe drugs, and say they only
           | want the best care. The only deflationary force in the
           | industry is have nots avoiding care at significant cost to
           | life and limb.
           | 
           | *Even relatively comfortable employer plans and Medicare have
           | significant gatekeeping of medical care: "out of network,"
           | deductibles, what procedures and drugs are covered)
        
           | toomuchtodo wrote:
           | Turns out you need to fix the laws around healthcare to fix
           | healthcare.
           | 
           | https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-
           | bill/112...
        
             | specialist wrote:
             | It's almost as if Freedom Markets(tm) would benefit from
             | clear rules, professional administration, and fair &
             | impartial referees.
        
               | Red_Leaves_Flyy wrote:
               | The laws that incumbents write for their industries
               | encourage extractive pricing models while discouraging
               | competition and innovation.
        
         | rmrfstar wrote:
         | This is probably an indicator that outside counsel is saying
         | "antitrust might be a real thing again, why don't you lower
         | your profile a smidge." Nothing says "cartel" louder than a
         | "joint venture" comprised of 3 companies with $2.5 trillion in
         | market capitalization.
        
         | ProAm wrote:
         | I dont think they are throwing in the towel, I think they are
         | all going about it on their own to capture more of the low
         | hanging profit?
         | 
         | > One key issue facing Haven was that while the firm came up
         | with ideas, each of the three founding companies executed their
         | own projects separately with their own employees, obviating the
         | need for the joint venture to begin with, according to the
         | people, who declined to be identified speaking about the
         | matter.
        
           | Technically wrote:
           | Maybe we've reached the point where startups are just really
           | expensive spikes.
        
       | boulos wrote:
       | https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/04/haven-the-amazon-berkshire-j...
       | seems to have more background (and claims to be the original
       | scoop)
        
         | dang wrote:
         | Ok, changed from https://www.wsj.com/articles/amazon-berkshire-
         | hathaway-jpmor.... Thanks!
        
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