[HN Gopher] U.S. will continue to seek Assange's extradition - U...
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U.S. will continue to seek Assange's extradition - U.S. Justice
Department
Author : pseudolus
Score : 48 points
Date : 2021-01-04 16:17 UTC (6 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.reuters.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.reuters.com)
| CodeWriter23 wrote:
| On what basis does the UK continue to hold Assange? Until today,
| they were holding him based on an indictment in the US...if they
| are not going to extradite him, then what? Permanent
| incarceration without due process??
| major505 wrote:
| This shows you can do almost anything in journalism, except go
| against the military industrial complex.
| stevespang wrote:
| America is not a democracy - - it is an AUCTION. America
| imprisons the most of it's citizens per capita of any country on
| the face of the earth. Every American Commits Three Felonies A
| Day: How the Feds Target the Innocent:
| https://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp...
| webmobdev wrote:
| Edward Joseph Snowden is the American I admire the most today.
|
| He sabotaged the United States' most ambitious, long-term well-
| planned program to completely privatise spying around the world
| (through tech companies that would make money off it - a true
| capitalist wet dream), thus helping democracies around the world
| survive a bit more longer.
|
| To this end, Hollywood had also slowly changed the tone of their
| content to carefully push narcissism to the public, so that
| people would overshare information about themselves, the people
| they know and their own activities, publicly on the internet.
| Private tech companies (like Google, Apple, Microsoft, Yahoo,
| Facebook etc.) meanwhile slowly moved on to harvesting more and
| more data, testing the boundaries each time slowly, to create
| profiles of their users they could analyse for behavioural
| insights and this allowed them two streams of income - from
| providing access to personal data of individuals to government
| agencies and by using this personal data to manipulate the users
| to sell something.
|
| Another big goal, with the "cloud computing" push is to get
| government agencies and companies worldwide to store their
| privileged information on servers online that can be easily
| accessed. This serves two main purposes - the push to "computing
| on the cloud" means access to technology can be highly
| controlled, and denied to other countries. (In today's connected
| world, US companies can deactivate and cripple nearly all
| computers, including smartphones and tablets, if it wants, of any
| country, if it is connected to the internet). The other purpose
| is that corporate espionage is easier if all data is on the
| cloud, thus allowing the US and the west to maintain a
| technological lead over others.
|
| Ofcourse, it's easier to do this with some help with allies and
| thus we have the "5 eyes" and "9 eyes" program, where other spy
| agencies of other countries agree to share each others database.
|
| It is a brilliant program but against democratic values.
|
| People like Assange, who help whistleblowers like Edward Snowden,
| deserve our full praise and support. Democracy cannot survive in
| darkness and denial of information. The public are not dumb, as
| some politicians like to think so.
| dr-detroit wrote:
| Your arguments have failed to sway me. Not every secret is
| antidemocratic and terrorists Snowden and Assange are still
| terrorists who put me in danger and I didn't learn anything
| particularly new or important from their supposed revelations.
| When these guys get gassed please know its not the evil
| faceless government its everyday moms and dads like me signing
| their death warrant.
| sschueller wrote:
| The US has lost any shed of credibility when it comes to human
| rights or being a lawful state. War murderers go free and
| journslists go to prison.
| mam2 wrote:
| Move then, complaining on HN will not change reality
| Alkhwarizmi wrote:
| No ONE is complaining on HN! He is stating his opinion on the
| current and past US relations, something which many of us can
| agree with. Furthermore, if your reasonse to each statement
| is "leave" then you don't understand what fighting for the
| country you love means.
| sschueller wrote:
| Where to? Off planet seems to be the only place where the US
| doesn't have its fingers in.
| oblongx wrote:
| China
| zamalek wrote:
| If a person claims that one country is oppressive, it
| does not mean that rival countries are not. There is no
| reason why two dictatorships could not be enemies.
|
| This is strawman nonsense.
| fosefx wrote:
| yet
| CerealFounder wrote:
| I think you're longing for a US that never was. Its always been
| about who has "the right power" and who doesnt. Everything from
| Mccarthyism to the Salem Witch Hunt.
|
| it also stands to be said that America doesnt exist as America,
| instead as a revolving door of loosely defined groups that step
| up to the levers of power and try their luck.
|
| Its best to understand the actors instead of the machine. Its
| most often where the problem is.
| aqme28 wrote:
| I don't follow. You're saying that America has always been
| this way, yet the problem is not the system itself, but the
| specific people in power today?
| LeifCarrotson wrote:
| I think OP may have stopped one or more causal links short
| of the systemic issue. In general, politics is vulnerable
| to actors who work in bad faith.
|
| You can blame the current power-hungry narcissistic wealthy
| sociopaths who are doing what power-hungry narcissistic
| wealthy sociopaths can be expected to do, or you can accept
| that there will always be people who fit that description
| and try to fix the incentives and checks that they're
| responding to.
| m000 wrote:
| I'm afraid the initial decision may as well be a staged attempt
| by the UK to save face, so they don't appear to the rest of the
| world as a spineless lackey of the US. The US is really in no
| hurry to get their hands on Assange. They'll play along as long
| as they know that Assange stays in a prison somewhere, till they
| get a favourable extradition ruling.
|
| If the UK is really serious on the well-being of Assange, they
| should allow him to seek asylum and relocate elsewhere, without
| obstructing him as they did in the case of Ecuador.
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