[HN Gopher] Working from Bed
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Working from Bed
Author : edward
Score : 112 points
Date : 2021-01-03 07:50 UTC (1 days ago)
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| neom wrote:
| I'm a 35 year old who internetted/"worked" from bed all the time
| in my teens and 20s, I really believe doing this:
|
| - Removed the sanctity of bed. The bed is a great place to train
| yourself to decompress and unwind.
|
| - Absolutely destroyed my back. I'd build pillow forts around
| myself to compensate for increasing weak muscles.
|
| - Hindered the ability to notice shifts in my mood/difficulties
| in my routine. Eg: I struggle to get out of bed these days.
| [deleted]
| proverbialbunny wrote:
| >Absolutely destroyed my back. I'd build pillow forts around
| myself to compensate for increasing weak muscles.
|
| Yep. I had to learn muscle building exercises to get out of
| that situation. It's totally worth it.
| user_501238901 wrote:
| Idk how you can destroy your back working from your bed, unless
| you do some idiotic posture. Just lay down, face up, back to
| the bed, computer on top of your stomach.
|
| Know a person with an actual destroyed back who can't even
| drive a car, but is able to work from bed.
| JimBlackwood wrote:
| Muscle atrophy will do that for you. Things get harder and
| you do it less. It'll be a challenge to get your muscles back
| to where they were.
| agumonkey wrote:
| Who does a compromise of that, like on a zen cushion ?
| cm2012 wrote:
| I have a dedicated room for an office in my house with everything
| I need for productivity. Yet sometimes I feel more productive
| with a laptop on the couch or bed. I wonder why.
| diveanon wrote:
| Author is fairly young.
|
| This will destroy your back after even a short amount of time.
| devilduck wrote:
| I've been doing this for years, my back is fine, and I'm 40.
| Cut this nonsense out.
| saagarjha wrote:
| I'm 21 and enjoy working from bed. I did it for a week or two
| when I was at my parent's house for break once and it totally
| destroyed my back. These days I only do it when it's especially
| cold out.
| racl101 wrote:
| So fast. Ugh, I'm 27 and even just looking at these pics makes
| me cringe.
| hinkley wrote:
| Not to mention muscle atrophy, including cardiac output.
| squeaky-clean wrote:
| My back hurts just looking at the 4 images at the top of the
| article. Also the positions in the upper-left, upper-right, and
| image further down the page cause lots of elbow strain. I had
| several months of numbness in my hands from spending too much
| time resting on my elbows like these photos.
| racl101 wrote:
| I could never do this.
|
| 1) My back would hurt after a half hour of this.
|
| 2) My brain would not be engaged in a state of too much comfort.
| (i.e. I'd get sleepy). In fact, I even keep my work room in the
| house kinda cold (by not putting in a heater) so I can be more
| alert.
|
| 3) I'm a developer so I need a full keyboard and multiple
| screens.
|
| 4) Most importantly, I need a clear separation or line of
| delineation between work and rest. I don't want to mix the two
| together. The thought is as perverse to me as eating while taking
| a shit.
| pottertheotter wrote:
| I'm the same. I've been WFH for a while and I need to get up,
| take a shower, get dressed, and go to my desk or I never really
| get going. Sometimes I'll do some work on a laptop on the
| couch, but it's the type of work where I'm more casually
| looking up information. Or I'll print out something I need to
| read and go to the couch. Otherwise, I'm so much more
| productive and engaged when I'm at my desk with keyboard,
| mouse, and monitor.
|
| My wife is the polar opposite. We're lucky to be in a situation
| where we can both have dedicated home offices at this time. We
| already had a desk for her, but her work let her take home a
| good chair, and two monitors with a stand. We set up a really
| nice office for her, but I'd say that she works from bed or the
| couch 95% of the time. In fact, the only time she uses her
| office is when she has an important video call.
|
| I don't know how she does it, and I still believe that she
| would be more productive/efficient at a desk. For me, just
| having the extra screen real estate and a keyboard and mouse
| are enough for me to want to be at my desk.
| [deleted]
| otagekki wrote:
| While being between 4 walls might seem isolating, I would happily
| take a 20 second commute (i.e. opening the computer and voila
| you're at work) over a 160-minute round trip commute any day.
| Especially when the feeling of isolation can easily be mitigated
| by a 20 min walk in the city at lunch time.
| adamgluck wrote:
| Winston Churchill famously did most of his work from bed and he
| won World War II, so I buy it.
| guscost wrote:
| "Stop the spread, stay in bed"
| rubyn00bie wrote:
| I don't recommend working from bed, but for a pretty simple
| reason. If you're laying down, for the majority of your day,
| after about six months your back will be incredibly weak. It will
| then be painful to sit in a chair for an equal amount of time;
| and no chair will fix it. You'll have to regain your back,
| shoulder, neck strength to alleviate the pain which takes months.
| panzagl wrote:
| Further proof Douglas Adams was right about the origins of humans
| on Earth...
| Toutouxc wrote:
| My WFH desk is in my bedroom because of space constraints. The
| fact that it's there doesn't bother me one bit and I have no
| desire to work from bed, curled around the 14" laptop I do my
| coding on, instead of the 43" 4K screen I have on the desk.
|
| But there are moments (once or twice a day) when I need to work
| on a specific piece of code that I don't mind center stage on the
| laptop display and I unplug everything and move to the bed for 20
| minutes just for the calm, cozy feeling and a little bit of extra
| concentration.
| wing-_-nuts wrote:
| >instead of the 43" 4K screen I have on the desk.
|
| I've been patiently waiting for a 32" 4k 144hz hdmi 2.1 ips
| display. I've noticed manufacturers seem to like making them in
| 27" (too small) and 43" (too big!) sizes.
|
| I have questions. How far away do you sit? How is a 43" screen
| for coding? Do you use a tiling window manager to allocate all
| that space? Do you use it for gaming at all? If so, how hard is
| it to keep track of everything on the display? Do you find
| yourself having to turn your head to keep track of everything?
| michaelt wrote:
| Not the OP, but I use a 40" 4k screen.
|
| _> How far away do you sit?_
|
| 70cm - closer than a TV, further than a smaller monitor.
|
| I have it wall-mounted on an arm, so I can adjust the
| distance if I feel the need (which is rare)
|
| Browsers and IDEs and terminals all let you scale the fonts,
| and I apply a modest amount of zoom.
|
| _> How is a 43 " screen for coding?_
|
| I like my 40" screen, and I'd recommend one to anyone with
| the space. I chose a single large screen in preference to a
| multi-monitor setup.
|
| I'd probably have liked it even more when I was a teen with
| great eyesight.
|
| _> Do you use a tiling window manager to allocate all that
| space?_
|
| No, but you _will_ often want to use multiple windows - CAD
| software and things you might still fullscreen, but webpages
| and suchlike don 't generally benefit from it.
|
| When I got it, Ubuntu let you tile windows with
| Ctrl+Alt+Numpad - alas they dumped that feature, so now I
| have to resize my windows manually.
|
| _> Do you use it for gaming at all? If so, how hard is it to
| keep track of everything on the display?_
|
| Yes, but I generally play slow-paced games like Civilization.
|
| Many games scale up the entire UI with screen resolution, and
| you can always move your chair back if you want the small-
| screen experience.
|
| Obviously, if you want to play fast-paced games like FPSes in
| 4K you'll need a $$$ graphics card; initially, I had a "4K
| capable" GPUs and it would run spreadsheets and web browsing
| and 4K video no problem - but not a triple-A FPS.
|
| _> Do you find yourself having to turn your head to keep
| track of everything?_
|
| With my seating I move my eyes rather than my head.
| Toutouxc wrote:
| This is a monitor that I took from the office where I have a
| larger desk that allows me to sit around 100 cm from it. ATM
| it's around 75 cm from my eyes and it's a little too close.
|
| I don't use scaling, so it's basically like having four 21.5"
| FullHD panels, and the distance isn't that problematic
| because of the pixel density, but mainly because of the fact
| that it occupies my whole visual field and it feels a bit
| weird.
|
| I have it hooked to a vanilla Ubuntu machine with GNOME,
| nothing special. I usually put RubyMine (I do Ruby on Rails)
| with all the bells and whistles and sidebars and toolbars on
| the left side of the screen, full height, which gives me a
| FullHD code editor and a FullHD debugger window, and on the
| left side I have a browser window with a terminal or a JS
| console. And some Spotify peeking behind it or something.
| This gets me through the whole day, I don't need any i3-style
| black magic to handle my 5 windows.
|
| The screen has been sitting in the office for quite a while.
| People tried it for a bit and went back to their 3X" 4K
| panels, but I fell in love with it immediately.
|
| Actually the "having to turn your head" is the most
| interesting aspect. Yes, I do have to turn my head a lot. I
| have to turn my head and sometimes move my whole body when I
| need to see some detail somewhere and I like that about this
| setup. Not sure whether it's ergonomic or healthy but I like
| that I can physically move myself further left or right and
| focus on one part of the screen.
|
| Unfortunately, I use a PS4 for gaming and my laptops are an
| iGPU-equipped Dell and a M1 Macbook Air, so 3D gaming in 4K
| is out of the question.
| jnwatson wrote:
| I have a 49" 4k curved TV as a monitor. 43" is in no way too
| big. I'd say that 49" is slightly too large, but 43" would be
| about perfect.
|
| Turning your head is a function of field of view, which is a
| function of screen size and distance. It is easy to change
| the distance with a keyboard tray or a monitor mount.
| FpUser wrote:
| Was working from home for the last 20 years except for occasional
| visits to clients / shareholders meetings. So far enjoying the
| freedom of not being stuck in the office environment that I do
| not appreciate at all and not wasting my time on commute.
|
| With that I can't even remotely imagine myself working from bed.
| I do exactly 2 things in bed - 1) sleep, 2) wild guess here
| itsnot2020 wrote:
| I've worked from home pretty much my entire career (over 20 years
| now, and am fortunate to have a dedicated office) and the last
| thing I ever want to do is work from bed.
|
| I need some distance between my bedroom and office both
| physically and mentally.
| ReaganFJones wrote:
| Most work-from-bed setups are ergonomic disasters. The typical
| person who works from bed is not getting a $5,995 Zero Gravity
| setup or anything like that.
|
| Ergonomic issues aside, many commenters in this thread have
| discussed the other drawbacks of re-purposing your bed for work.
| emptyparadise wrote:
| Working from bed is great when you're too depressed to get out of
| bed. I'd rather nor do it otherwise, but I appreciate the
| flexibility of being able to do it.
| ateng wrote:
| The fantastic educational YouTuber CGP Grey did a video detailing
| why working from bed is a terrible idea
|
| https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=snAhsXyO3Ck
| andybak wrote:
| I spend 90% of my working day horizontal - bed, sofa and even the
| bath.
|
| I don't admit to it often but there you go.
| sgt wrote:
| It's not good for you long term. I recommend taking one of the
| bedrooms in your house and converting into a proper home
| office. And wear slightly more formal clothing than pyjamas. It
| does wonders to productivity and discipline.
| devilduck wrote:
| I will never do anything you have recommended and I will
| still be as productive as you are. Thanks though!
| Thaxll wrote:
| Bed should only be using for sleeping, no tv in room etc ...
| rozab wrote:
| Glad I can tick off 'comment that rephrases first sentence of
| the article' from todays HN bingo
| unnouinceput wrote:
| And you can turn off said TV when going to sleep
| nxpnsv wrote:
| My lower back wishes to dispute posted title...
| devilduck wrote:
| It would be really nice if everyone in this thread would stop
| trying to turn their personal feelings about this into universal
| truth. How many times to we have to hear about the negative
| effects of this from someone who misses going into an office?
| timvisee wrote:
| The only think you'll do by working from bed, is destroying your
| back. Don't do it.
| [deleted]
| geocrasher wrote:
| I've been WFH full time since 2011. I could not even finish this
| article.
|
| Anyone who thinks that working from bed is good in any way,
| shape, or form, is deluding themselves. It's an ergonomic
| nightmare that is unsustainable. It's lack of separation between
| Life and Work. It's everything WFH should NOT be.
|
| In a year, there will be another article that says "Working from
| Bed: Maybe not so much"
| jrockway wrote:
| I think it must depend on what kind of work people do. I really
| have no idea what non-engineering jobs are like, but I feel
| like they probably require less screen real-estate and text
| entry, and so don't demand the same ergonomics that writing
| software (or doing CAD modeling, etc.) requires.
|
| I can tell you that I personally hate being away from my
| desktop. I like the feeling of the office chair, I like my
| ergonomic keyboard, I like having a ton of monitors to organize
| my triple-wide Emacs window, some terminals, some browsers for
| documentation, Slack, Discord, a music player, etc. But...
| other people probably don't do as much I/O with their computer,
| and can probably lay in bed and get stuff done.
|
| When I worked at Google I always saw people sitting on bouncy
| balls typing away on their laptops, and I guess they got stuff
| done doing that, so I just chalk it up as "I don't personally
| understand it". I like my desk, but I see no reason to require
| people to sit at desks all day if they'd prefer to be in bed.
| If it doesn't work for them, they'll probably stop doing it.
| devilduck wrote:
| I'm literally the person you are saying is deluding myself so I
| will continue to laugh at assertions like this one. Not be
| taken seriously at all, and should be discarded into the trash
| can
| merpnderp wrote:
| When my team was sent home because of COVID we were told to set
| up home offices and offered equipment if we needed it and told
| we had to have an office space, even if just a desk by our bed
| because the consultants had shown how bad it was for your
| physical and mental health to work from a bed.
|
| I can't imagine anyone thinking being hunched over all day with
| your neck leaning forward could somehow magically be good for
| their back and neck alignment, or that lying down all day would
| be a positive of your cardio health. You'd think they'd be
| convinced when they went to look for any research backing their
| bizarre claims and couldn't find any.
| andybak wrote:
| > Anyone who thinks that working from bed is good in any way,
| shape, or form, is deluding themselves.
|
| I do love being told I'm deluded.
| Karawebnetwork wrote:
| On the opposite, I'd say it's a great way to destroy your sleep
| routine and habits. As a rule of thumb, your bed should be
| dedicated to sleep and cuddles with your significant other.
|
| "This study indicates that the use of computers and mobile
| telephones in the bedroom are related to poor sleep habits"
| https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1365-2869...
|
| "Computer use, TV viewing, and the presence of media in
| children's bedrooms may reduce sleep duration, and delay
| bedtimes." https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23886318/
| echlebek wrote:
| It's also a great way to destroy your neck and back. If you
| thought you had problems with ergonomics at your desk, it will
| be way worse typing away in a bed.
| devwastaken wrote:
| Having a seperate office for work helps significantly in
| seperating your habits. I would imagine a bed office might do
| the same, though obviously having health repercussions.
| andybak wrote:
| I have a perfectly good sleep routine. It's just that it
| involves a laptop, a mobile phone, a tablet and occasionally a
| VR headset.
| alisonkisk wrote:
| Why does cuddle get an exemption? Why shouldn't we have s
| separate cuddle space so we can sleep soundly after?
| themodelplumber wrote:
| Nitpick: "are related"..."may reduce"...these are links, not
| causation.
|
| I tested this myself and found A) my sleep did not get any
| worse when I worked from bed and B) if anything, it got better,
| especially during times of illness, because I was able to get
| some important things done at the higher-energy highs and this
| in turn helped me get better sleep later.
|
| IMO the bed and laying down in general is a great place to do
| mental activities including work tasks. I continue to get great
| results from planning (incl. pseudocoding) while laying down.
|
| Anecdata, but I'm noticing that a lot of people aren't testing
| this themselves, just trusting somebody else's bell curve,
| along which they may actually plot at any given point.
| devilduck wrote:
| All those references and that stuff still isn't true for
| everyone. How can this be?
| jjice wrote:
| When I was in middle school (early 2010s), I can't tell you how
| much time I spent on social media at night on my phone in bed.
| I swear I must've gotten 4-5 hours of sleep on average.
| Somewhere around my senior year of high school I started
| placing my phone across the room instead of lying in bed with
| it. Who would have guess that my sleep improved _drastically_.
| I never go to bed with technology.
| colmvp wrote:
| > cuddles with your significant other
|
| Not all of us, especially those living in endless lockdowns,
| have the privilege of having an SO lol
| gopalv wrote:
| > As a rule of thumb, your bed should be dedicated to sleep
|
| CGP Grey had a pretty good video about living in the lockdown
| titled "Spaceship you".
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snAhsXyO3Ck
|
| I'd say that a lot of work that isn't really work can be done
| from bed, but it does mess up your training for "bed == sleep".
|
| I used to work from bed before 2020, but the lockdown has made
| the "walk downstairs to work, grab a coffee along the way" into
| a natural thing rather than putting a number of other high
| attention activities (shaving, driving) between being awake-
| enough to sitting at my desk.
| kaybe wrote:
| Oohh look at these people with more than one room!
|
| (Ok it's valid for those.. but I'm still feeling a bit salty.)
| goblin89 wrote:
| A recent problem for me: I have only one room to myself, and
| prefer to keep work out of it. I am used to working outside
| from cafes, esp. coffeeshops, rotating my surroundings little
| by little. As of late, though, all relevant establishments
| are shut down in the vicinity, which disrupts both my work
| and sleep schedule.
|
| Of course, I understand the need for such measures. Hopefully
| I'll manage to continue consulting through this without
| losing a customer.
| Karawebnetwork wrote:
| I believe that even working on a small desk next to your bed
| would be better than working directly from the bed.
| SulfurHexaFluri wrote:
| Have been working from home from my bedroom for the last
| year, got a small desk with a 27" monitor and a second hand
| high end office chair. At the least its significantly
| better ergonomics than using a laptop in bed. Downside is I
| can't use my camera in calls since my background looks like
| crap and usually has my bf sleeping behind me.
| fastball wrote:
| I really don't think we have enough evidence to backup this
| assertion.
| Karawebnetwork wrote:
| We know that having a dedicated sleeping space
| contributes to the quality of sleep, but there are no
| studies on the size and boundaries required to create
| that space.
|
| Using the bed as a workspace means you're bringing your
| work with you to bed. You completely erase any
| possibility of separation between workspace and sleep
| space.
|
| With only one bedroom available, your only way to assign
| a dedicated sleeping space is to use your bed to sleep
| and a desk to work.
|
| Throwing in some anecdotal opinion, I live in a studio
| style open apartment and have no issue sleeping well in
| my bed even if I can see my workspace. I however had
| issues sleeping back when I lived in a smaller apartment
| and used the bed as my main computer space.
|
| Is it objectively better or worst? There's no study
| backing either theories. However, I _believe_ that even
| working on a small desk next to your bed would be better
| than working directly from the bed. Otherwise you 'd be
| effectively training yourself to think about work while
| lying down in the comfort of your sleeping area, instead
| of training yourself to fall asleep and relax.
| fastball wrote:
| As with most human behavior studies, I have yet to see a
| sleep study that managed to satisfactorily demonstrate
| causality in place of correlation.
|
| I think all of this is overemphasizing how much we are
| subconsciously "training" our bodies to do anything.
|
| In this particular case, you could imagine that people
| who work from their bed tend to be on screens in their
| bed until just before bedtime, causing them to be more
| "wired" than people who have a dedicated office space and
| avoid screens in their bed entirely.
| reaperducer wrote:
| _Oohh look at these people with more than one room!_
|
| I feel ya.
|
| Back when I was running a one-man startup, I had myself, my
| wife, and a cat in 450 square feet. Except when I was out
| gladhanding potential clients, I worked from my bed.
|
| At least back then, I could decamp for Starbucks if I got the
| crazies. But today's studio apartment dwellers are really
| screwed. Especially if you live somewhere hot, somewhere
| cold, or a city that removed all of the public benches to
| "combat" homelessness.
| coldtea wrote:
| > _I had myself, my wife, and a cat in 450 square feet_
|
| So, like the average "family with 2 kids" size of house in
| most of the world :-)
| sjtindell wrote:
| I'm picturing someone in a Hong Kong "apartment" cage
| saying, "Wait you guys have whole rooms?"
| mhh__ wrote:
| What if my significant other is a copy of Misner, Thorne, and
| Wheeler?
| slowmovintarget wrote:
| The gravitational time dilation from proximity to the book
| does not work in your favor, better to leave it on the shelf
| while you sleep.
| ISL wrote:
| The book helps -- clocks deeper in a gravitational
| potential run slow relative to those higher in the
| potential.
|
| As I recall from Hartle, to paraphrase: "The
| experimentalists in the basement live longer than the
| theorists upstairs, but the view is worth it." My
| recollection from the associated problem is that the
| difference, over a lifetime, is microseconds.
|
| MTW won't give even that much aid :). Good luck with your
| studies; there's a lot to learn.
| AnHonestComment wrote:
| You have gravity right, but the impact reversed.
|
| By being lower in the gravity well, you get _less_ sleep
| than if your clock had run faster.
| jedimastert wrote:
| We can't change who or how we love
| djohnston wrote:
| I did this right out of college as a young and struggling
| developer, and I had a lot of psychological issues with sleep and
| depression that haven't resurfaced during this recent extended
| work from home. There are a ton of differences in circumstance,
| but I think doing my work in my living room office vs lying on my
| bed is much better for my mind and my spine.
| screye wrote:
| Working for bedroom is already is nightmare. I can't imagine the
| kind of destruction working-from-bed is capable of.
|
| Strong physical separation between distinct aspects of life is
| critical for me to get anything done. Covid has disrupted things
| enough as it is.
| eric_b wrote:
| Working from bed is great? What? Who at the NYT thought this was
| worth publishing?
|
| This is a great way to increase mental health issues, decrease
| physical health and hygiene and generally make everything worse.
|
| Maybe in the future when morbidly obese humans float around in
| hover beds and purchase things only from Buy-N-Large this will be
| "great" - but this reeks of a strange "pro COVID lockdown"
| narrative I've been seeing lately.
| chapium wrote:
| They don't have to write the way you want. Its easy to write
| positively about tools one feels are beneficial.
| TimTheTinker wrote:
| > but this reeks of a strange "pro COVID lockdown" narrative
| I've been seeing lately.
|
| Along with phrases like "the new normal" and such. There does
| seem to be a push to keep people from wanting and expecting to
| go back to the _real_ normal anytime soon.
|
| Though who stands to gain from this alternate reality? It would
| seem the liberal left wants to normalize it (even post-
| vaccine), but I don't understand why.
| eric_b wrote:
| Agreed - it's certainly a left-leaning narrative. I don't
| understand the "why" of any of it anymore.
|
| The far-left folks are pro lockdown but also want to help the
| underprivileged. No one is hurt worse by lockdowns. They want
| to defund the police, and yet by now even the hardened
| ideologue can admit that less police is maybe not a great
| plan. The left is anti-authoritarian but engages in almost
| textbook authoritarian behavior. (Cancel culture, democratic
| governors having emergency powers for 9+ months now etc etc)
| They hate capitalism but enjoy the byproducts (my most
| socialist friends can't get enough of Amazon prime - the
| irony is completely lost on them).
|
| There is just no way to reconcile the platform. It is
| completely incoherent.
| ksm1717 wrote:
| Great rant, I liked how completely irrelevant it was
| TimTheTinker wrote:
| I've thought some more about this, and I think their
| platform _is_ coherent if you assume their goal is power.
|
| Economic trouble and poverty _help_ the left by making them
| the savior upon whom everyone is dependent. After all, it
| was the Great Depression that gave FDR's New Deal a free
| pass in the first place -- and that really was the
| beginning of the modern Democratic Party's economic
| platform.
|
| They _want_ people to be poor. That's how they get the
| majority of their votes.
| egypturnash wrote:
| "pro-lockdown" and "why the fuck are we giving people so
| little money" tend to go together, in my experience. Lock
| down for a month or two, give everyone more than enough
| money to cover rent/food/utilities and some entertainment
| (to keep from going insane), and greatly reduce the spread
| of this virus. But here we are in the US with a paltry $600
| coming after the entire duration of this stupid, stupid
| pandemic.
|
| As to "defunding police", I like to rephrase it as "fund
| people, not police" - use those budgets to give people help
| _before_ they get to the point where the police get
| involved, rather than having next to no safety net and a
| bunch of cops itching to use all the military hardware they
| 've got.
|
| There you go, some coherence. Have a nice day.
| tomjen3 wrote:
| One of the only reasons I don't work from my bed is that it
| would destroy my back. If I had purchased one of those beds
| where you can electrically raise the back I would have worked
| so many more hours - and been more comfortable.
| Ashanmaril wrote:
| There's an ever-growing cult of people who are so obsessed with
| the idea that everyone needs to be shopping for a therapist and
| popping mind-altering drugs, and anyone that suggests that
| there are basic bad habits you could put some work in to fix
| like exercising or not laying in bed all day is anti-"science"
|
| The last paragraph basically claims "it's not working from bed
| that's bad, it's the stigma against working from bed that's
| bad!"
| egypturnash wrote:
| Personally I find that me staying in bed all day tends to be a
| sign that I am either very cold, very depressed, or both. Even if
| I manage to get shit done.
| 0dmethz wrote:
| This article kind of feels like people are working really hard to
| rationalize working from bed?
|
| Personally I just find it extremely uncomfortable, and I just
| can't be productive that way. Plus you have to wonder what the
| long term effects are, it doesn't seem very ergonomic.
| trinix912 wrote:
| I've tried it once and it just didn't feel right. It didn't
| feel like I'm working, it felt more like staying in bed while
| sick. Also, my back started hurting after a few hours. I can't
| imagine someone doing it for more than a few days.
| qwertox wrote:
| I never understood people who have no issue with typing on a
| laptop while sitting or laying in bed. Or outside on the grass.
| It just doesn't work for me.
|
| I need a keyboard on a table and sit in a chair in front of it,
| or stand in front of it if it is height-adjustable.
|
| I need space to put things nearby, like a glass of water,
| without having to care if it will fall and spill.
|
| But I'm ok with having a tablet in bed to browse HN or Reddit
| or listen to something on YouTube until I fall asleep.
| [deleted]
| [deleted]
| eljimmy wrote:
| I couldn't bring myself to work from bed. More due to the mental
| separation of being "at work" vs at home. I find it's beneficial
| for me to have an exclusive area otherwise I'll mentally feel
| like I'm always working.
| twobitshifter wrote:
| As a teen, 20 years ago, I always did my homework from my bed, as
| that was about all I had. I don't think that it challenged me in
| any way and it may have enhanced my thought processes as they
| article notes. Certain postures are said to influence the way you
| process and think.
|
| For example, I definitely read books from bed, as I'm sure others
| do as well, even those that object to television or working from
| bed. Thinking about it now, lying down may help to displace my
| mind to the story more than sitting.
| kashyapc wrote:
| You can kiss goodbye to your quality of life if you "work from
| bed". As Matthew Walker, of "Why We Sleep"[+], reminds: you want
| your brain to associate your bed with _sleeping_.
|
| A related point is that if you're not feeling sleepy, don't lay
| around in the bed waiting for sleep (go to a different area of
| the room, if possible)--just as how we don't (?) sit around at
| the dinner table waiting for hunger to arrive.
|
| [+] With warts and all, like any book. Don't let the so-called
| "egregious errors" pointed out by some guy online distract from
| the main points made in the book.
| phreack wrote:
| Going a bit further, if at all possible, my tip from many years
| of remote work is don't even have a computer in the room you
| sleep in. It's amazing how much the brain correlates rooms with
| tasks, and if you work in your bedroom you will have a worse
| quality of sleep.
| kashyapc wrote:
| Going to a different room may not be possible for everyone.
| We have to consider those who live in studio apartments and
| other kinds of smaller places. But your broader point stands
| --a decent enough separation between bed and work is
| critical.
|
| And take advantage of human nature: we're creatures of habit;
| build solid routines for compounding benefits.
| wasdfff wrote:
| Speaking as someone who goes from bed to couch to bed during this
| pandemic due to a lack of desk space in my crampt apartment, I
| would murder someone if it meant I could claim their chair and
| desk and have actual lumbar support again.
| derekp7 wrote:
| Have you considered (or able to install) an adult loft bed so
| you can put an office underneath?
| jolmg wrote:
| There are sit-up pillows[1] that can provide this support, if
| you're interested. Personally speaking, I think lumbar support
| from my sit-up pillow is better than that of my office chair at
| work. YMMV. You may want to look for one that's of a good size
| and firm. Not all are.
|
| [1] https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=sit-
| up+pillow&iax=images&ia...
| tzs wrote:
| Have you considered the floor? When I was young (late teens to
| early 30s) I found that laying on the carpeted floor on my
| stomach, with a pillow under my chest, and my head tilted back
| (think of Superman flying and you'll get the picture) with my
| computer in front of me worked great.
|
| This probably wouldn't work out well nowadays with a desktop
| computer because desktop monitor sizes are usually way bigger
| than they were back then so you would have tilt your head too
| far, but it might still be fine with a laptop.
| soared wrote:
| I sit on my floor, back up against the wall/bed, for like 6
| hours a day. Big fan.
| tartoran wrote:
| Lumbar support is a false friend. I used to rely on this until
| I learned proper posture and did exercises to strenghten and
| relearn to use skeletal musculature correctly. I need not rest
| my back on anything now and my general health couldn't be
| better.
|
| Unless you had a recent surgery and the body is weakened or you
| have a serious condition (torn discs, etc) I'd advise to try to
| ditch all these crutches which end up weakening us up in the
| long term. However, I admit they could be very useful and help
| with back pain. I used to not be able to concentrate because of
| backpain and lumbar support did help at the time.
| fastball wrote:
| Link?
| sfteus wrote:
| I've been WFH for nearly 6 years now. The one constant I've found
| that hampers my productivity is working from a "shared" space.
| Working out of a space like the living room or bed room, where
| you would normally relax, tends to make me slack off, get
| distracted easily, etc.
|
| I have noticed though that your work space doesn't need to be
| fully dedicated though, it just needs to not be a leisure room.
| We adopted a Belgian Mal mix in February that needed supervision
| throughout the day, so I transitioned from my office to my dining
| room. We don't use that outside of the occasional game night or
| other gathering, and the table makes a nice makeshift desk with a
| laptop. I found working from there comparable to working from my
| office.
| ShaneMcGowan wrote:
| R.I.P the author's back
| wtf_is_up wrote:
| Wow, NYT will publish anything.
| vladmk wrote:
| Waiting for the working from your toilet piece to come out
| mikestew wrote:
| I did it on the rare snow day in Seattle a few times. I'm not one
| to be particular about my workspace, but what few things I _am_
| particular about went out the window in bed. It's fun for an
| occasional break, but not for productive output. But TFA is rife
| with counterexamples, so what do I know versus Marcel Proust?
| p_l wrote:
| Every time I end up working from bed I'm angry within 30
| minutes about typing experience - and that's assuming I
| remembered to grab trackball to not be angry at touchpad
| experience!
|
| Seriously, f*ck bed work :|
| combatentropy wrote:
| I sit up in bed against a backrest pillow, with my laptop in my
| lap. I don't have a mouse. I program with vim and use keyboard
| shortcuts in other apps as much as possible.
|
| I have been doing this for years. I don't have problems with my
| back or wrists like I did years ago in an office, even though I
| had an office chair, desk, and keyboard drawer.
| nickelcitymario wrote:
| I've wanted to work full-time from home for as long as I can
| remember. It took about a month in lockdown for me to realize I
| hated it.
|
| Turns out, my mental health is much better when I have an office
| to go to. 1h20 in commute (round-trip), no privacy, tons of
| distractions, and still I'm happier when I get to leave the house
| to go to work.
|
| I suspect it's mostly just a matter of getting out of the house.
| Those 4 walls get pretty oppressive after a while.
|
| I, too, found myself working from bed. It was not an improvement,
| and ended up being the last step towards a crippling depression
| that wouldn't let me get out of bed in the first place.
|
| So, for me at least, working from bed is awful. Ergonomically,
| emotionally, spiritually just f---ing draining.
| xwdv wrote:
| I have noticed that most people that say this tend to just have
| shitty homes. Not every home is suitable for working from, you
| really need all sorts of amenities and plenty of space to walk
| around and refocus, and a good outdoor area. If you literally
| just have 600 sqft of bedroom, living room and kitchen then yea
| I can see why going to the office would be better.
| silicon2401 wrote:
| Another thing I've noticed is that the people who are anti-
| wfh seem to do better with externally-imposed structure
| rather than internally-imposed. I can't relate at all to
| people who say their sleep schedule is ruined, their work and
| personal life blends together, etc. I wfh lately and my work
| day is a hard 9 to 5 unless something out of the ordinary's
| going on, I get 8 hours, work out most days, stick to my
| diet, etc. The less external constraints I have, the more I
| can create a routine that's perfectly suited to myself.
| nickelcitymario wrote:
| > shitty homes
|
| I mean, that's a bit disparaging. I've seen some beautiful
| 600 sqft apartments.
|
| But to your general point, I agree. I just don't think a
| space needs to be shitty in order to be inappropriate for
| daily work. If its small or the area lacks food outdoor
| amenities, it's easy to get cabin fever.
| hluska wrote:
| Hey pal, if your mental health is struggling, my email is in my
| profile. Feel free to reach out - I'm no picture of perfect
| mental health so can't judge and besides, I don't know you from
| a hole in the ground! You can tell me just about anything and
| who cares??? :)
|
| If you're doing better great, if not, strangers can be a
| tremendous help.
| silicon2401 wrote:
| Everybody's different. I've been wfh since the pandemic
| started, and it's been one of the best times of my life. Even
| in school I didn't have the bliss of never having to leave my
| home. My health, exercise routine, diet, sleep routine, work
| productivity, social life, personal productivity, quality of
| life in pretty much every aspect have basically all been
| perfect. Even outside, people keep a little more distance.
| Aside from the coronavirus danger itself, the past 10-ish
| months have been a dream for me.
|
| Unfortunately there is no compromise that can please everyone
| if things return to how they were before, just finding an
| employer that caters to one's personal preference.
| SulfurHexaFluri wrote:
| >Unfortunately there is no compromise that can please
| everyone
|
| We have started working Thursdays and Fridays in the office
| and the rest at home. Its nice to get out and do something
| different and still have all the time savings and time to
| think at home most of the week. It does still require you to
| live close to the office though.
| andreilys wrote:
| WFH during a pandemic is different than WFH when everything
| isn't locked down.
|
| I'd encourage you to avoid conflating the two as the experience
| is vastly different.
| rorykoehler wrote:
| I've been working from home on and off for going on 15 years
| now and he lockdown has been terrible for WFH. No popping out
| to a cafe for a couple hours. Or my local coworking space
| etc. The monotony of it is draining.
| proverbialbunny wrote:
| That mirrors my experience. Before shelter in place I'd go
| to a cafe about 2-3 hours every other day in the morning.
| Technically, I'd rotate between a cafe and a breakfast
| place close by that was always abandoned and they had an
| espresso machine. It was my own secret cafe.
| creddit wrote:
| This resonates deeply with me.
| trinix912 wrote:
| > Turns out, my mental health is much better when I have an
| office to go to. 1h20 in commute (round-trip), no privacy, tons
| of distractions, and still I'm happier when I get to leave the
| house to go to work.
|
| This is very important to me. It helps me forget about work
| when heading home and vice versa. I also like talking to people
| in person at the office more than relying on Zoom watercooler
| rooms.
| nickelcitymario wrote:
| That commute turns out to be one of my favourite parts of the
| day.
|
| In the mornings, I leave early to workout at the company gym.
| (Not true at the moment, because all gyms are closed in my
| area right now.) That commute gives me time to wake up and
| get into the gym mindset.
|
| After work, it gives me time to unwind, let go of the stress
| for the day, and get into my dad-of-4 mindset.
|
| Without it, everything blends together. My work days would
| never really start and never really end.
| andybak wrote:
| And I've found the opposite. I'm genuinely not being
| antagonistic - I just think it's important to get a diversity
| of voices out there on this topic lest people feel that there's
| only one "truth".
| youerbt wrote:
| It's also worth pointing out that working from home not
| equals working from home during lockdown.
| nickelcitymario wrote:
| 100%. If I have a central point it's that no one way of
| working is right for everyone.
|
| Case in point: My partner works from home, has for years, and
| has no interest in working from an office. It's worth noting,
| however, that she also prefers it when I leave every day.
| (Read into that what you will.)
| stetrain wrote:
| I think this is definitely exacerbated by the general lockdown
| situation on top of just working from home.
|
| Previously I worked from home a couple of days per week. I
| augmented those days by walking to a nearby coffee place in the
| morning to get out of the house and get some movement in.
|
| I'd also try to meet someone for lunch when schedules worked
| out.
|
| This year many of us combined working from home with a
| restriction on all of those "safety valves" and in-person
| socialization in general.
|
| Personally I think I was happiest with the part-time flexible
| work from home setup, but I think I could make full time work
| if I moved to an area with more walking-distance amenities.
| nickelcitymario wrote:
| > Previously I worked from home a couple of days per week.
|
| That's very different from working from home every day. If it
| was an option, I'd love to work from home twice a week and
| from the office the other 3. That would be a nice balance.
|
| > This year many of us combined working from home with a
| restriction on all of those "safety valves" and in-person
| socialization in general.
|
| Definitely an interesting question. Would I have enjoyed
| working from home if I could still go out and socialize every
| day? Impossible to say but I'd love to find out some day.
| npsimons wrote:
| > I think this is definitely exacerbated by the general
| lockdown situation on top of just working from home.
|
| Yeah, people need to realize, this is _not_ normal. Even I,
| as a highly distractable /sensitive introvert have had
| trouble coping. And I won't lie, the bicycle commute to work
| was great for waking me up and energizing me.
|
| That said, I would prefer 100% WFH for the remainder of my
| career, no contest. There's just no getting around the level
| of control I have over everything from noise, to light,
| temperature, etc. It helps that I live alone and have a
| dedicated separate home office. And I can always go for a
| run, walk, or bicycle ride in place of the commute.
| gilbetron wrote:
| Well, you aren't _just_ WFH full time, but WFH full time in a
| pandemic. WFH is much different when you can set up lunches
| with friends, work from cafes /restaurants/parks from time to
| time, and actually have face-to-face connections with people
| easily.
| nickelcitymario wrote:
| You're absolutely right. I look forward to getting the chance
| to try it out under better circumstances.
| SkyPuncher wrote:
| > I suspect it's mostly just a matter of getting out of the
| house. Those 4 walls get pretty oppressive after a while.
|
| They can be.
|
| I'm fortunate to have enough space in my house that I can silo
| the different areas of the house. I have a few places I'm happy
| to work in, but I also have a basement that I never do work in.
| brightball wrote:
| It definitely takes getting used to. I've been exclusively WFH
| for 8 years now and it's hard to imagine going back at this
| point, but it took a while to develop that groove.
|
| My first job out of college, my boss actually told me "Don't
| miss meetings, don't miss deadlines and I don't care when
| you're here." About 3 weeks in I was dying to go to the office
| and just stayed there all the time.
|
| In order to make WFH work for me now a few things had to fall
| into place:
|
| 1. My wife got so busy with her business that she has no free
| time to deal with anything at the house during the day, so any
| random person that needs to come by (contractors, cable repair,
| etc) I'm already here for. Additionally, most days I can use my
| lunch break for any errands that need to be run without it
| interfering with my after work hours.
|
| 2. I have 2 dogs that keep me company.
|
| 3. I've found other friends of mine who work from home or are
| up for grabbing lunch in the area. I tend to meet somebody out
| for lunch at least once a week.
|
| 4. I keep a TV on in the background, out of sight (usually the
| weather channel). I don't know why, but it makes the house feel
| less empty all day.
|
| 5. Facebook and some relevant community message boards (Clemson
| sports, local programmers Slack). Just need some type of social
| outlet.
| ghaff wrote:
| >I keep a TV on in the background, out of sight (usually the
| weather channel). I don't know why, but it makes the house
| feel less empty all day.
|
| I think the world is split into people who really need a
| background soundtrack of some sort and those who hate it.
|
| Back when I sometimes had a roommate on group (non-work)
| trips, one of the things that drove me craziest was someone
| who just _had_ to turn on the TV as soon as they walked into
| a room.
|
| The funny thing is that I'm pretty much fine with ambient
| people sound. I just don't like background TV and, for the
| most part, I don't even turn on music when I'm working.
| brightball wrote:
| The key for me is noise that I'm not trying to listen to.
| The weather channel can be on and I have no need to try to
| focus on it.
|
| If I put music on, it needs to be pretty consistent tempo
| with no words so that it's "there" but I'm not listening to
| it. The original Ironman soundtrack was my goto for this
| for years.
| ghaff wrote:
| Yeah, for something like sleeping on a plane, I'll
| usually put something like new age-y instrumentals on. I
| just can't really ignore something even as uninteresting
| as The Weather Channel. It's like fingernails on a
| blackboard to me.
| dinkleberg wrote:
| I dream that one day I'll be able to turn my ears on and
| off at will. Earplugs work alright, but complete silence
| would be fantastic (personal safety be damned)
| SulfurHexaFluri wrote:
| >personal safety be damned
|
| Apple is working on fixing that. There is a setting on
| ios 14 that can alert you when it hears things like a
| fire alarm, dogs barking, people yelling, etc.
| ISL wrote:
| When you get old-enough, a cochlear implant is exactly
| that.
| nickelcitymario wrote:
| I haven't tried them yet, but to my understanding this is
| a key selling feature of AirPods.
|
| Any chance anyone knows how successful these are at noise
| cancellation (without the use of music to drown out said
| noise)?
| ghaff wrote:
| All noise cancellation is much better at canceling low
| frequency noise (like the engine on a plane) than voices,
| for example, which it mostly just muffles. For example, I
| have music playing in my house right now. If I put in my
| AirPod Pros and turn them on, the music gets quieter but
| I can still clearly hear it.
| SulfurHexaFluri wrote:
| I find that on my over ear headphones, the physical
| barrier of the headphones blocks out a lot of higher
| sounds to some amount and the anc kills the low sounds. I
| can still hear stuff while I'm not playing sound but when
| I turn on music I can't hear anything around me.
| ghaff wrote:
| Yes. Closed back over ears are definitely the most
| effective way to block external noise. And I've heard of
| people wearing over the ear protection over noise
| canceling that works even better. For me, basically the
| only time I really care (or want to be that isolated) is
| on planes though and I travel really light so over the
| ear headphones is a non-starter.
| tolbish wrote:
| Your post sounds more like an endorsement of walkable
| communities and dog ownership than an endorsement of commuting.
| nickelcitymario wrote:
| I didn't consider that I was endorsing commuting. Point well
| taken.
|
| If I had a nice weather-protected path to walk to work (like
| the underground networks in some major cities), walking would
| be far preferable to driving.
|
| My argument, nay, my observation, is that some type of
| transition between work and home appears to be vital to my
| well-being. I suspect that the time component for that
| transition is just as important.
|
| For example: What if I built an office in my garage? That
| would give me a physically different space, but I'd be
| deprived of that transition time to switch mindsets.
|
| What I don't know is how much time is needed for the same
| effect. Would a 5 minute walk suffice? Could it be even
| better? Who knows?
| aleksei wrote:
| Many people have had the same experience over the past
| year. There's three things that are usually suggested which
| might help you, that you've touched upon.
|
| First, you should have a dedicated work space. A room is
| preferable, but you can make do by erecting sight barriers
| to your desk for example. The main idea is to make it easy
| to leave your work 'at work' and not be reminded of it in
| your free time.
|
| Second, clothing. If you feel your day lacks structure make
| sure you're not lounging about in a tracksuit all day. Put
| on clothes you would wear to the office before work, and
| take them off at the end of your day. Wear shoes.
|
| Third, take a walk before starting work and afterwards. A
| 20 minute walk will allow you to plan the day ahead and get
| in work mode, and will let you unpack the day and unwind
| after work. Ignore the rain.
|
| So basically, make going to work a ritual (as foolish or
| unlikely to work as it may sound). You should also minimise
| distractions and control impulses to do non-work related
| things while 'at work'. If you can, consider getting out of
| the house for lunch or eat at your desk and not at the
| dinner table. Lastly, take part or try to instigate remote
| water cooler chats with colleagues to keep sane.
| mrkstu wrote:
| Good tips. I'm lucky enough to have a great room
| available for an office.
|
| I curtained the doorway off, to remind the rest of the
| family (and myself) that when it is closed, I'm at work.
| Put a standing desk in, to help maintain my health.
|
| I still shower and show up 'at work' around the same
| times I did before. At first I was there around the same
| time I'd leave for work, but I found I was not able to
| concentrate productively for 12-13 hours a day, so I've
| cut it closer to an 8-6 schedule, with some breaks to eat
| with family or drop kids off where they may need to go.
|
| Take advantage of the greater flexibility- take the good
| with the bad. Was listening to Phish on the surround
| sound speakers connected to my receiver via bluetooth to
| my Mac Mini the other day, while working on my desktop
| I'd brought home attached to a nice big bright 4k monitor
| that I have at home, and connected via SD-WAN to the
| corporate network. Was a pretty productive and glorious
| way to get a lot of work done.
| nickelcitymario wrote:
| Great tips! I particularly like the idea of creating a
| ritual. I think you've nailed it on the head with that
| one.
| wpm wrote:
| Yeah working from home full time for me is like cheating on a
| diet. It sounds great at first, and for a few weeks you eat
| whatever you want and you don't notice much change.
|
| Then all your clothes stop fitting.
|
| Working from bed is like eating ice cream for breakfast. Sounds
| great, nice maybe once as a treat, then becomes horrible.
|
| I need structure, routine, and not having to go into work makes
| enforcing that routine so much harder.
| nickelcitymario wrote:
| 100% agreement
| devilduck wrote:
| If I never have to go back into an office routine again, my
| life will be much, much better for it. To each their own.
| jrockway wrote:
| I think you have to make a routine, rather than hoping one is
| provided for you. I am not a routine person, but for me
| showering, opening up Slack, and switching Chrome profiles is
| how I transition from "home" to "work". I don't do "home"
| things during work hours, and I don't do "work" things during
| "home" hours. Even though I'm at the same desk. For me, it
| works as well as commuting did, without 30 minutes of being
| frustrated at the subway.
|
| (I admit that I do do some "home" things at work, like
| laundry. That mostly involves turning on the machine and
| tending to it in an hour, so not a big time commitment but
| nice to get done during the day.)
| jkire wrote:
| The main thing I found interesting about this is the idea of
| trying to break the taboo of working from bed, _especially_ for
| those who have a disability that make it hard /impossible to get
| out of bed some days. After all, this is the reality for a lot of
| people long before the pandemic. Yes, fine, maybe it's bad for
| your back or sleep schedule (I personally _hate_ even reading in
| bed), but it 's up to the individual to figure out what works for
| them.
|
| I really hope that one thing we get from this pandemic is not
| just that remote work is more accepted, but that there's more
| understanding and flexibility over people's individual situations
| (without them having to try and justify themselves). This would
| help so many people, whether they're disabled, or juggling
| childcare, or whatever.
| lazyant wrote:
| See also dysania / clinomania.
| Tycho wrote:
| Maybe someone will come up with an app that you use before you go
| to sleep and it trains/primes your mind to work on pieces of work
| (ones that require creativity or insight) while you sleep. And
| then corporations will adopt it and offer employees a pay rise if
| they sign up to use it. Eventually it will become mandatory, and
| people will write wistful articles about the uncolonized dream
| spaces of yesteryear, while accepting that no normal person would
| sacrifice the most productive part of the working day (night) in
| order to dream about fun things that they will mostly forget
| anyway.
| helen___keller wrote:
| I did something like this (unintentionally) in college by
| working until I passed out on the floor, then working more the
| moment I wake up (generally to hit a morning deadline)
|
| It's not great* for problem solving, but it is a wonderful
| recipe for depression.
|
| * Actually, I frequently solved problems that I was stuck on
| immediately after waking up. However, I am convinced I would
| have solved these problems had I not been so sleep deprived in
| the first place.
| lhorie wrote:
| I think it's worth noting that the examples in the article about
| people like Frida Kahlo involve a higher degree of creativity
| than most desk jobs demand, and one could reasonably attribute
| bursts of inspiration to come from the "unusual" aspect of
| working in a horizontal body position (similar to how people
| often say they think up ideas more clearly when going on walks)
|
| But laying down for extended periods of time is known to cause
| health problems. In hospitals, bed sores are a well known problem
| associated with excessive in-bed time. Muscular atrophy is
| another.
|
| It's kinda crazy how just a couple years ago there was a standing
| desk craze touting the miraculous benefits to muscular/skeletal
| health, and now we've got a 180 degree turn with a major
| publication putting out a claim that laying down for extensive
| amounts of time is somehow a good idea (never mind the whole
| "sitting is the new smoking" thing!)
|
| Geez!
| pmiller2 wrote:
| For those who don't want to sign up with NYTimes.com:
| https://archive.is/3AZmg
| Consultant32452 wrote:
| This is deliciously tone deaf on the part of NYT. People are
| dying all over the place, the meager wealth and incomes of
| working class people are being destroyed, even unemployment
| benefits are completely dysfunctional in many states. Maybe it's
| not the best time to talk about how great it is to be able to
| maintain your income without even having to leave bed.
| timdaub wrote:
| > Working from Bed is Great
|
| Article goes on to say that anecdotal evidence from people that
| work in bed since COVID-19 pandemic are doing fine.
|
| What I can say myself about this is that since I've started
| working full-time from home in 2018, there were many "great"
| things I started doing during work. It was a bit like finally
| having the chance to be "free" and working how I wanted - and not
| my employer.
|
| Three years later I'm now convinced that there's reasons why
| people go to offices and why there's certain rules in those.
|
| Anyways, technically speaking "I'm not working from home
| anymore". I rented out an office space. It's as comfy as home
| (still, there's no bed). But having a dedicated space to work and
| face challenges is great, because afterwise I can drive home -
| and when I'm exhausted, fall into my bed.
| alisonkisk wrote:
| NYT "lifestyle" articles are (usually young) writers on
| deadline filling space with apps from their friends.
| amyjess wrote:
| I have absolutely taken conference calls in bed, especially when
| it's really cold in the morning. I can just snuggle up under the
| covers and stay warm while discussing project status.
| nevinera wrote:
| Ergonomically speaking, it _can_ be, but that requires some
| tooling and experimentation. I have put together a setup that
| works pretty well, but I rarely use it because extricating myself
| from it takes too much work.
|
| The pictures in the article do _not_ demonstrate a viable way to
| work from bed for long periods (though shifting positions
| frequently enough can offset the postural problems quite a bit).
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