https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/local/michigan/2024/09/22/griffon-shipwreck-great-lakes-lake-michigan-steve-kathie-libert/74956091007/ News Sports High Schools Life Advertise Obituaries eNewspaper Legals MICHIGAN Charlevoix couple running out of time to prove they found Great Lakes' oldest shipwreck Portrait of Bill Laytner Bill Laytner Detroit Free Press [7516204700] In four decades of news work, I'd never reported from underwater. Last month, I donned a wetsuit and dived under Lake Michigan, a few miles off the Upper Peninsula. My guides took me to within inches of what they claim is the Great Lakes' oldest shipwreck. I shared the scene with fish and two experienced divers. Skeptics beg to differ. They say what I saw can't be the French-built Griffon, the first actual sailing ship ever to ply the Great Lakes. But the skeptics haven't gone down to look. I have. Now I'm a believer. But not just because I was close enough to touch the wreckage ... A lifelong quest Steve and Kathie Libert, of Charlevoix, have devoted their lives to seeking the Griffin; or, as the French named it, Le Griffon. During careers near Washington, D.C., they used every vacation day and traveled each summer to northern Michigan. Kathie studied centuries-old documents. Steve led dive teams for more than four decades in search of the long-lost ship. They say they expect no riches, just the satisfaction of seeing the wreckage identified and protected, so that these remnants of history won't be lost. Years in court After years diving around tiny islands where Le Griffon was last seen, the Liberts and their lifelong dive pals from Ohio found wreckage, then repeatedly went to court seeking permits to salvage artifacts. They won just one lawsuit. That let them, in 2013, pull up what they think was Le Griffon's front-mounted spar, called a bowsprit. After seeing the spar, state officials said it was just an old stake used to secure a fish net. The Liberts, and the French divers who helped retrieve the piece, beg to differ. Time growing short Retired in Charlevoix, and fighting ailments of aging, the Liberts in 2021 published a 160-page book, documenting why they think they've found the holy grail of Great Lakes shipwrecks. Bringing up artifacts could form a museum to celebrate the Midwest's early history, when French explorers were the first white people on the Great Lakes. A state lawmaker from the U.P. this month asked state officials who regulate shipwreck salvage to review the Liberts' claim. Last month, unsure about how many more years he can dive, Steve Libert invited the Free Press to dive with him, to see what he and Kathie Libert think is the wreck of Le Griffon. Much about the ship and its demise are unclear, "lost in the deep echoes of time," author Richard Gebhart writes in "Ships and Shipwrecks: Stories from the Great Lakes," a recent book from Michigan State University Press. What's known is that Le Griffon was the Great Lakes' first big sailing ship. It was commissioned by explorer Robert La Salle, built in the woods above the falls at Niagara, and from there yanked down a creek to Lake Erie. Less than six weeks after launch, disaster struck. As the French explorers said in their journals, preserved all these centuries, the ship went down loaded with furs and with all hands. That was in 1679, so long ago that it's tempting to believe the skeptics. As a swimmer who'd never been diving, I considered the risk of drowning. As a reporter, I considered the risk of accepting first-person glimpses as reality. In 2022, from dry land, I wrote a standard news story, as impartial as I could make it, about Steve and Kathie Libert's lifelong quest. This time, I'll tell a story in first-person. The Liberts can't prove they've found the Griffin -- in French, spelled "Le Griffon." But after reading their book, hearing their reasoning, and seeing up close what they've seen and photographed -- the algae-covered beams and ribs of an ancient wooden vessel -- I'm a believer. More:Doubters abound as Charlevoix couple think they found Great Lakes' oldest shipwreck The ship disappeared so long ago, so many winter storms and giant waves ago, it's tempting to dismiss the Liberts' claims. Doubters insist that wreckage that old had to be swept to oblivion. Others say the Liberts must've found some other wreck, or more than one wreck, when two decades ago they first located the wooden remains of a very old ship, embedded in sand at several sites, near uninhabited islands off tiny Fairport, Michigan, south of Manistique. Still others accuse the Liberts of treasure hunting. But Le Griffon wasn't known to contain any treasure. Its load of furs, its wood furnishings, its sails and rigging have long since disintegrated. Le Griffon is no treasure ship, "unless you consider history a treasure, which I do," Steve Libert said on ABC's "Good Morning America," in 2008. The Liberts say the best treasure they could find would be what historians call "an artifact," some piece of this ancient vessel that would prove them right -- confirming their having found what some call "the holy grail" of Great Lakes shipwrecks. The Liberts have no children. As Kathie Libert once quipped to me, "Finding the Griffon is our baby." Nor are they well to do, although both worked steadily until retirement -- Steve as a Navy intelligence analyst, Kathie as the owner of a marketing communications firm. Early on, their quest was literally a murky project, clouded by Lake Michigan's characteristic silt. It darkened underwater viewing when Steve and his friends began diving in the 1980s. Then, by the 2000s, invasive zebra mussels followed by smaller quagga mussels filtered Lake Michigan to crystal-clarity. Steve and his crew of dive pals, all from Dayton, Ohio, began revisiting wreck sites they'd found years earlier, shooting increasingly sharp underwater photos of what they, more and more, began to believe was Le Griffon. My first dive Sunshine shimmered on Lake Michigan last month on the day of my first dive. We motored out of Fairport on Steve's aging pontoon boat with a crew of Steve's longtime dive pals. It took only 90 minutes of bouncing over low swells to reach an uninhabited island a few miles south of the Upper Peninsula's coast. Scanning the shoreline of Big Summer Island (shown as just "Summer Island" on some maps), Steve spotted a landmark and brought his boat right over a key site of wreckage. "Kathie was always saying, 'Steve, look in the shallow water,' and here it is," he announced, idling his outboard. We peered down at the sandy bottom, making out dark-brown shapes that Steve said had once been a ship, just 10 feet down. Minutes later, I was swimming over it, and then down to it. A heavy beam ran straight and visible for 50 feet. That was the keelson, a 12-by-12-inch timber that shipwrights placed atop the keel to secure long rows of curving ribs running up the interior sides of the ship. Parts of the ribs were there too, one after another. To the ribs, also called frames, had been fastened the hull's planking, although it was long since fallen away. Clearly visible were smooth wrought-iron bolts, driven through planks as fasteners. They lacked the threading of bolts used in ship-building a century later, according to nautical historians. To the Liberts, finding non-threaded iron fasteners signaled the remains of a truly aged ship, built in the 1600s. Sharing the scene with fish and fellow diver Tom Kucharsky, a production worker at Crown Cork & Seal in Dayton, I got within inches of what once had been tall North American trees, shaped by axes centuries ago, now partly buried in sand. I didn't wear an air tank. The setting was so shallow, I could grab air topside, then swim easily down for viewing, pulled down by a weight belt that Steve lent me. I was warm inside my own wet suit. When I ran short of air at the wreck, Tom would swim over and hold out his backup breathing line, known to divers as a "reserve regulator." I'd catch a breath to stay down longer. We swam within inches of the wreckages but didn't touch any part of this algae-covered history tableaux. Steve had given strict orders. "We don't bring anything up. We're doing everything legally," he advised, before my dives. Without a government salvage permit, nothing should be taken from a shipwreck, he said. Keeping watch from a seat in the pontoon boat was Tom's brother, Jim Kucharsky, retired from Delco and Delphi in Dayton. The brothers said they'd been diving with Steve for more than four decades. Not diving but assisting us was Sam Kingrey, also of Dayton, where the Liberts lived early in their marriage. Kingrey, who owns SK Mold & Tool in two factories near Dayton, designed and built an aluminum lift and fitted it to Steve's boat, letting divers easily exit the water. Also there was Brian Abbott, an underwater acoustics specialist from Haslett, near Lansing. Abbott said he'd accompanied the Libert expeditions for years, juggling his schedule of paying clients so he could aid the quest for Le Griffon. In previous years, Abbott trained his sonar equipment on the wreckage. Several of his "sub-bottom" images appear in the Liberts' book, showing suggestive shapes that may be parts of Le Griffon, or something else, actually under Lake Michigan's sandy bottom. The Great Lakes are dotted with shipwrecks. It's possible that other wrecks are scattered near the remains of Le Griffon, Abbott said, as we motored to the second day's dive. "I hear everything from 7,000 to 14,000 shipwrecks in the Great Lakes. What I learned from Steve is, any good expedition starts in the library," he said. By that he includes the Liberts' big collection of books and research material, which fills many shelves at their condominium in Charlevoix. "This area is full of legends and history. It's just not obvious," Abbott said. Scanning the horizon, he said, "Al Capone had a hideout over at Rock Island, right over there." He pointed southwest. In that direction lay several islands. Their only residents these days? Shorebirds. Just then, we were 200 yards off Big Summer Island -- population: zero -- where Steve and his crew said they'd camped many times, always with the permission of the landowner, he was quick to say. For decades, they explored the geography around Big Summer Island, underwater, finding multiple sites of wreckage that Steve believes to be Le Griffon. On Day One, we dived on the mid and aft sections of keel, which Steve said he'd found by studying satellite images of Lake Michigan. On Day Two, we swam down to the bow of what seemed to be more of the same shipwreck, a quarter-mile away. "I found that by swimming around the island," Steve told me, hinting at the relentless spirit of his search. He and the others also found yet more wreckage they think is from the Griffon, in deeper water, 50 feet down. That's where Steve thinks there might be a cannon, sure to be a breakthrough for confirming that what they've found is, finally, what they've all sought for so long. While camping near the wreck sites many times over their 43-year quest, Steve and the others spent time on nearby Poverty Island, also uninhabited. There they found what could be more clues to the mystery of Le Griffon: remnants of ancient Native American villages. More:How deep are the Great Lakes? Here's how they stack up As we approached, Steve told why these long-abandoned sites are a link in his chain of evidence. These sites put Native Americans close to where the Liberts think Le Griffon met its storm-tossed fate, close enough that the inhabitants could've heard what they later reported to La Salle, as recorded in his journal. They heard it after dark, during heavy winds -- three cannon shots, likely a distress signal. Le Griffon's last moments could well have been just out of sight of these encampments, not far from where we dived on the wreckage. According to the journal of Father Hennepin, a Franciscan Recollect friar who accompanied La Salle, the two explorers bid farewell to Le Griffon on Sept. 18, 1679. The ship was to return to Niagara without them, bearing a summer's load of furs. The two leaders would go on exploring with their band of followers, paddling large canoes. Hennepin's journal, as recapped in the Liberts' book, tells that the ship set sail from the harbor of what's now called Washington Island, a resort area on the Wisconsin side of Lake Michigan, at the entrance to Green Bay. It's an area so treacherous for shipping that the French named it Porte des Morts -- Death's Door. The next day, on Sept. 19, a tremendous storm struck the area, according to the journals of both Hennepin and La Salle. The Liberts think Le Griffon's end was fated by that storm -- not by a mutiny of the crew nor by an attack of Native Americans, two opposing theories for which there is no evidence. The storm could've shoved the ship onto a sandy shoal, broken it into pieces, drowned the crew of just six sailors, and washed the wreckage into the shallow water where, the Liberts believe, it sat untouched for 31/2 centuries, awaiting their discovery. A believer Another believer is Greg McMaster, the former state representative for the Liberts' district, now running Eagle Eye Drone Services with a dozen employees based in Traverse City, Florida and other sites. McMaster recalled the many years that the Liberts struggled, in negotiations and costly court fights, trying to get permission from the Michigan Department of Natural Resources, or DNR, to bring up artifacts that would prove they'd found La Salle's ship. He also recalled diving with them and, one time, supervising a special day of diving. "Probably the most important dive I was on was when the only permit allowed by the DNR let Steve salvage the bowsprit. So I stepped out of my role as a friend and I acted as the state's watchdog on that. Being a state representative back then, I had to put the interests of the state first," McMaster said. He said: "I can tell you, everything was done properly" to preserve the bowsprit, an old sailing ship's unique spar, which sticks out and up from the bow. It was a crucial 20-foot piece of wreckage that the Liberts thought would show it came from Le Griffon. To get it, the DNR relented after years of denials. "This was the first and only permit for salvage that was ever approved for them," McMaster said. The bowsprit, or what believers say is the bowsprit, was brought up from Lake Michigan's bottom in 2013 in a joint effort of the Liberts' team of divers -- which they call the Great Lakes Exploration Group -- together with divers and archeologists from DRASSM, the French acronym for Department of Underwater Archeological Research. This happened only after Steve met with French officials in Washington, and after his group won their request to explore the wreck in federal appeals court, overruling state officials, and after McMaster did what he could on the Liberts' behalf as a member of the Michigan Underwater Salvage and Preserve Committee, a branch of the DNR-controlled Michigan History Center. During that salvage dive, three French maritime archeologists -- the Liberts' book says -- examined the bowsprit "before it was completely wrapped in a water-permeable fabric to assist in slowing down the decaying process once at the surface" and then "rushed off in a refrigerated truck to a climate-controlled storage facility," to be viewed later by a state of Michigan archeologist. The French experts wrote a report, saying they thought this spar was, indeed, a bowsprit such as those affixed to French ships in the 1600s. A state archeologist pooh-poohed that, saying the 20-foot length of waterlogged wood was a stake used by fishermen to secure their nets in the 1800s. The Liberts devote Chapter 3 in their book, and Steve can talk endlessly, about why the French are right and why the state's expert isn't. McMaster sides with the Liberts, he said. "The evidence they presented in that book really convinced me. They've got measurements. They've got historical documents. Every piece that they add is just filling in the argument," McMaster said. "The bowsprit, to me, was conclusive. When the French came over and looked at it, they felt very confident that this is the Griffon," he said. More:Lake Superior shipwreck Adella Shores, missing since 1909, finally found 'Something good' McMaster served in the state House from 2009 through 2015. While there, he explained the Liberts' quest to Ed McBroom, also a House member back then. McBroom is now a state senator, representing most of the U.P. He owns a farm not far from where the Liberts moor their dive boat. When I called McBroom, he said he was glad that I liked his southwest part of the U.P., studded with tidy farms and dune-side views of Lake Michigan. He sounded hopeful that the wreckage I'd viewed through a dive mask could someday, somehow, become the basis for a local museum, a spot as interesting to tourists and historians as the Great Lakes Shipwreck Museum on Whitefish Point, at the opposite end of the U.P. A museum that showcased Le Griffon would be unlike any other, partly because France says the wreckage is its property, according to previous news reports. McBroom knows that. "I'm not sure the state has any legs to stand on when it comes to salvaging this, but they think they do, and they like to bully people. They need to get over it," McBroom said. I called him when I was a day out of the water, having left the isolated dive spot and regained a cellphone signal. McBroom said he'd contact the DNR's director, someone known to be sensible and nonpartisan, he said. "He's new, and I hear he's a very practical man. I'm really hoping we can get something going for these people," McBroom said. I said I'd check back soon. In the interim, I sent McBroom a copy of the Liberts' 2021 book ("Le Griffon and the Huron Islands: Our story of exploration and discovery" by Steve and Kathie Libert: Mission Point Press, Traverse City; $26.95 softcover, $34.95 hardcover). The senator received it at his dairy farm, where he keeps 125 cows. When I called him back two weeks later, McBroom said he thought the book was impressive. And he had some news about hearing from the DNR: "I chatted with the director about this. He was very interested. I put him in touch with Greg McMaster. I'm hoping that something good finally comes of this." That "something good" needs to happen soon. The Liberts said they're feeling their age. His dive pals are, too. They can't keep diving. And the couple can't afford more court battles for salvage rights, they said. They said they expect no treasure, no material benefits at all from their find. They just want, in their lifetimes, to see the wreckage identified and protected. They'd like to be assured that this exciting and very early slice of Michigan history doesn't stay lost in the sand under Lake Michigan. I'm on board with that. 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