https://arxiv.org/abs/2408.16737 close this message arXiv Accessibility Forum 2024 Skip to main content Cornell University This week: the arXiv Accessibility Forum Forum Schedule We gratefully acknowledge support from the Simons Foundation, member institutions, and all contributors. Donate arxiv logo > cs > arXiv:2408.16737 [ ] Help | Advanced Search [All fields ] Search arXiv logo Cornell University Logo [ ] GO quick links * Login * Help Pages * About Computer Science > Computation and Language arXiv:2408.16737 (cs) [Submitted on 29 Aug 2024] Title:Smaller, Weaker, Yet Better: Training LLM Reasoners via Compute-Optimal Sampling Authors:Hritik Bansal, Arian Hosseini, Rishabh Agarwal, Vinh Q. Tran, Mehran Kazemi View a PDF of the paper titled Smaller, Weaker, Yet Better: Training LLM Reasoners via Compute-Optimal Sampling, by Hritik Bansal and 4 other authors View PDF HTML (experimental) Abstract:Training on high-quality synthetic data from strong language models (LMs) is a common strategy to improve the reasoning performance of LMs. In this work, we revisit whether this strategy is compute-optimal under a fixed inference budget (e.g., FLOPs). To do so, we investigate the trade-offs between generating synthetic data using a stronger but more expensive (SE) model versus a weaker but cheaper (WC) model. We evaluate the generated data across three key metrics: coverage, diversity, and false positive rate, and show that the data from WC models may have higher coverage and diversity, but also exhibit higher false positive rates. We then finetune LMs on data from SE and WC models in different settings: knowledge distillation, self-improvement, and a novel weak-to-strong improvement setup where a weaker LM teaches reasoning to a stronger LM. Our findings reveal that models finetuned on WC-generated data consistently outperform those trained on SE-generated data across multiple benchmarks and multiple choices of WC and SE models. These results challenge the prevailing practice of relying on SE models for synthetic data generation, suggesting that WC may be the compute-optimal approach for training advanced LM reasoners. Subjects: Computation and Language (cs.CL); Artificial Intelligence (cs.AI) Cite as: arXiv:2408.16737 [cs.CL] (or arXiv:2408.16737v1 [cs.CL] for this version) https://doi.org/10.48550/arXiv.2408.16737 Focus to learn more arXiv-issued DOI via DataCite Submission history From: Mehran Kazemi [view email] [v1] Thu, 29 Aug 2024 17:32:35 UTC (233 KB) Full-text links: Access Paper: View a PDF of the paper titled Smaller, Weaker, Yet Better: Training LLM Reasoners via Compute-Optimal Sampling, by Hritik Bansal and 4 other authors * View PDF * HTML (experimental) * TeX Source * Other Formats license icon view license Current browse context: cs.CL < prev | next > new | recent | 2024-08 Change to browse by: cs cs.AI References & Citations * NASA ADS * Google Scholar * Semantic Scholar a export BibTeX citation Loading... BibTeX formatted citation x [loading... ] Data provided by: Bookmark BibSonomy logo Reddit logo (*) Bibliographic Tools Bibliographic and Citation Tools [ ] Bibliographic Explorer Toggle Bibliographic Explorer (What is the Explorer?) [ ] Litmaps Toggle Litmaps (What is Litmaps?) [ ] scite.ai Toggle scite Smart Citations (What are Smart Citations?) ( ) Code, Data, Media Code, Data and Media Associated with this Article [ ] Links to Code Toggle CatalyzeX Code Finder for Papers (What is CatalyzeX?) [ ] DagsHub Toggle DagsHub (What is DagsHub?) [ ] GotitPub Toggle Gotit.pub (What is GotitPub?) [ ] Links to Code Toggle Papers with Code (What is Papers with Code?) [ ] ScienceCast Toggle ScienceCast (What is ScienceCast?) ( ) Demos Demos [ ] Replicate Toggle Replicate (What is Replicate?) [ ] Spaces Toggle Hugging Face Spaces (What is Spaces?) [ ] Spaces Toggle TXYZ.AI (What is TXYZ.AI?) ( ) Related Papers Recommenders and Search Tools [ ] Link to Influence Flower Influence Flower (What are Influence Flowers?) [ ] Connected Papers Toggle Connected Papers (What is Connected Papers?) [ ] Core recommender toggle CORE Recommender (What is CORE?) * Author * Venue * Institution * Topic ( ) About arXivLabs arXivLabs: experimental projects with community collaborators arXivLabs is a framework that allows collaborators to develop and share new arXiv features directly on our website. Both individuals and organizations that work with arXivLabs have embraced and accepted our values of openness, community, excellence, and user data privacy. arXiv is committed to these values and only works with partners that adhere to them. Have an idea for a project that will add value for arXiv's community? Learn more about arXivLabs. Which authors of this paper are endorsers? | Disable MathJax (What is MathJax?) * About * Help * Click here to contact arXiv Contact * Click here to subscribe Subscribe * Copyright * Privacy Policy * Web Accessibility Assistance * arXiv Operational Status Get status notifications via email or slack