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We discuss what it's going to take to get to alpha, the why behind Ladybird, avoiding incentives other than those of the users, their plans for incremental adoption of Swift as the successor language over C++, and of course what they hope Ladybird can achieve as a truly independent open source browser that's for the people. Changelog++ members get a bonus 4 minutes at the end of this episode and zero ads. Join! * 103 minutes * Recorded Aug 7, 2024 * Published Aug 14, 2024 * Download (99MB) * Transcript * 4,798 * Open Source * Rust * Swift Featuring * Andreas Kling - Twitter, GitHub, Website * Chris Wanstrath - Twitter, GitHub, Website * Adam Stacoviak - Mastodon, Twitter, GitHub, LinkedIn, Website * Jerod Santo - Mastodon, Twitter, GitHub, LinkedIn Sponsors Sentry - Code breaks, fix it faster. Don't just observe. Take action. 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Notes & Links Edit Notes * Ladybird announcement (from Chris Wanstrath) * Ladybird.org * Ladybird Browser (on GitHub) * The Changelog #10: All things GitHub with Chris Wanstrath * Changelog Interviews #554: The serenity of building your own OS with Andreas Kling * Swift.org * Crafting Interpreters by Robert Nystrom (book) * Click (2006) Official Trailer (from Adam Sandler) * Plug: Void.dev * Plug: Andreas Kling on YouTube * Plug: Cozy lofi from Katalin Kult (ghost whiskers) Chapters Chapter Chapter Start Chapter Title Chapter Number Time Duration 1 00:00 Welcome to The Changelog 01:26 2 01:26 Sponsor: Sentry 03:25 3 04:51 Starting with OG shirt 01:06 nostalgia 4 05:57 Back to talk about Ladybird 03:26 5 09:24 How Andreas and Chris met 05:13 6 14:37 The summer of 2026 01:56 7 16:33 Will the web change? 01:01 8 17:34 Why climb the mountain? 01:49 9 19:22 Two years is not a long 03:17 time 10 22:40 What about mobile? 01:59 11 24:39 Where can the roadmap go? 01:45 12 26:24 From SerenityOS to Linux 03:09 and Mac 13 29:33 Sponsor: Paragon 03:39 14 33:12 Making use of 3rd party 03:30 libraries 15 36:42 Language evaluation (Swift) 03:46 16 40:28 The right lang for the job 01:06 17 41:34 How Apple tethered is 03:36 Swift? 18 45:10 Making the right lang 03:27 choice 19 48:37 Are you treading water? 01:40 20 50:17 Supporting Ladybird 01:55 21 52:12 Who can use it today? 01:23 22 53:35 Build instructions 01:53 23 55:28 Ladybird is meaningful to 01:09 Chris 24 56:36 GitHub PTSD 05:00 25 1:01:36 Write code and make video 01:27 games 26 1:03:03 Chris' anonymous GitHub 01:08 profile 27 1:04:11 Chris on coding for 00:55 Ladybird 28 1:05:06 Making a serious browser 01:30 29 1:06:36 What is your Alpha? 04:48 30 1:11:25 Sponsor: 1Password 03:06 31 1:14:31 Click! Ladybird in the 05:19 future. 32 1:19:51 Room for privacy features 07:53 33 1:27:43 "Help us build Ladybird" 01:44 34 1:29:27 GitHub x Braintree 02:07 35 1:31:34 Donate and sponsor 00:48 36 1:32:21 Plug: void.dev 00:27 37 1:32:49 Plug: Cozy lofi from 00:51 Katalin Kult 38 1:33:40 Andreas Kling on YouTube 01:09 39 1:34:49 Wrapping up 00:27 40 1:35:16 Closing thoughts and stuff 02:05 41 1:37:21 ++ Teaser 01:44 42 1:39:05 Cozy lofi from Katalin Kult 03:56 Transcript [?] Coming Soon Changelog We're hard at work on the transcript for this episode! Sign in / up to access transcript notifications. 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