https://hackaday.com/2024/05/31/intels-anti-upgrade-tricks-defeated-with-kapton-tape/ Skip to content Logo Hackaday Primary Menu * Home * Blog * Hackaday.io * Tindie * Hackaday Prize * Submit * About * Search for: [ ] [Search] May 31, 2024 Intel's Anti-Upgrade Tricks Defeated With Kapton Tape 47 Comments * by: Arya Voronova May 31, 2024 * * * * * Title: [Intel's Anti-Upgrade] Copy Short Link: [https://hackaday.com] Copy Screenshot of the Kaby Lake CPU pinout next to the Coffee Lake CPU pinout, showing just how few differences there are If you own an Intel motherboard with a Z170 or Z270 chipset, you might believe that it only supports CPUs up to Intel's 7th generation, known as Kaby Lake. Even the CPU socket's pinout is different in the next generation -- we are told, it will fit the same socket, but it won't boot. So if you want a newer CPU, you'll have to buy a new motherboard while you're at it. Or do you? [coffeetime_detail]Turns out, the difference in the socket is just a few pins here and there, and you can make a 8th or 9th generation Coffee Lake CPU work on your Z170/270 board if you apply a few Kapton tape fixes and mod your BIOS, in a process you can find as "Coffee Mod". You can even preserve compatibility with the 6th/7th generation CPUs after doing this mod, should you ever need to go back to an older chip. Contrasting this to AMD's high degree of CPU support on even old Ryzen motherboards, it's as if Intel introduced this incompatibility intentionally. There's been a number of posts on various PC forums and YouTube videos, going through the process and showing off the tools used to modify the BIOS. Some mods are exceptionally easy to apply. For example, if you have the Asus Maximus VIII Ranger motherboard, a single jumper wire between two pads next to the EC will enable support without Kapton tape, a mod that likely could be figured out for other similar motherboards as well. There's a few aspects to keep in mind, like making sure your board's VRMs are good enough for the new chip, and a little more patching might be needed for hyper-threading, but nothing too involved. Between money-grab features like this that hamper even the simplest of upgrades and increase e-waste, fun vulnerabilities, and inability to sort out problems like stability power consumption issues, it's reassuring to see users take back control over their platforms wherever possible, and brings us back to the days of modding Xeon CPUs to fit into 775 sockets. Don't get too excited though, as projects like Intel BootGuard are bound to hamper mods like this on newer generations by introducing digital signing for BIOS images, flying under the banner of user security yet again. Alas, it appears way more likely that Intel's financial security is the culprit. We thank [Lexi] for sharing this with us! * [share_face] * [share_twit] * [share_in] * [share_mail] Posted in computer hacks, how-toTagged coffee lake, intel, intel CPU, kaby lake, pinmod Post navigation - Noodles Time Themselves While Cooking Tell Time And Predict The Heavens With This Astronomical Timepiece - 47 thoughts on "Intel's Anti-Upgrade Tricks Defeated With Kapton Tape " 1. lamalas says: May 31, 2024 at 1:17 am Why do I only see this now? Time to upgrade my home server from 6th gen to 9th gen! Report comment Reply 1. kaidenshi says: May 31, 2024 at 7:52 am Same, though I will be going from 7th gen to 9th gen on my home media server. 9th gen chips are getting cheaper on eBay, the i7-9700 non-K version goes for $130 right now, for a ~35% increase in performance over my 7700. And I can still resell the 7700 for about $60 making it even more enticing! Report comment Reply 2. BitMage says: May 31, 2024 at 1:46 am Missed opportunity to call it the Hot Coffee mod. Report comment Reply 1. Ostracus says: May 31, 2024 at 5:56 am Whoo Hoo! Shake that motherboard, baby! Report comment Reply 2. Hirudinea says: May 31, 2024 at 10:07 am They should call it the Coffee Runs mod because I'm sure it made Intel crap. Report comment Reply 3. sweethack says: May 31, 2024 at 1:48 am Intel is currently trying to extract the maximum juice of a dry lemon. Industry is shifting toward RISC cpu, like ARM or RISC-V because the power / performance ratio now is in favor of those. The simple fact that one need a BIOS to bootload the system is already a PITA. I doubt we will talk about Intel in 10 years from now, or as an historical company or a GPU company. Report comment Reply 1. Daid says: May 31, 2024 at 2:19 am ARM/RISC-V are technically the better CPU indeed. HOWEVER, until the plug&play issue is solved for those platforms, they won't take off as desktop replacements. Which is also why we have a BIOS in the first place, it facilitates part of this process of hardware detection and initialization. Report comment Reply 2. lamalas says: May 31, 2024 at 3:30 am Yes because having a completely different way to start the system on every single computer type with 0 cross compatibility is better than BIOS. Report comment Reply 3. C says: May 31, 2024 at 5:46 am AMD also makes X86/X64 CPUs, not just Intel. Since Windows does not yet run on RISC-V and neither do most applications it becomes a chicken-egg problem. You need hardware and software. Software emulation won't fix the problem completely since you will probably lose out performance gains and/or power savings. Google announced android will support RISC-V. This might be the bootstrap we need for the transition. Eventually there will be more and more powerful Chromebooks running on RISC-V and then Microsoft might start supporting some of those RISC-V CPUs for their surface tables. Then maybe AMD or Intel will start making RISC-V CPUs (perhaps with enhanced instructions to enhance X86/X64 emulation). A while ago Intel proposed a X64-only CPU. That would also be a smaller step then to move to a completely different architecture. Report comment Reply 1. Paul says: May 31, 2024 at 6:08 am Most software in the Linux world already runs on RISC-V. Debian is showing about 99.8 percent of all packages are there already. But as usual, games are the holdup for most people. Report comment Reply 2. Max Boone says: May 31, 2024 at 6:41 am It runs on ARM though, and with increasing emulation work (through LLVM IR or direct) adaptation will also be easier. Current gen Surface devices default with an ARMv8 chip. Report comment Reply 3. Foldi-One says: May 31, 2024 at 12:28 pm Right now running on Risc-V isn't worth worrying about much, as the hardware has yet to really come close to pretending to be even the worst Intel/AMD CPU of a decade ago in performance... Though the open source world is mostly ready for when performance Risk-V does happen. It helps that things like the Pi really pushed any application that hadn't yet made itself easily portable between architectures to become so in the last decade or two. And suitably big performance from Arm is just available off the shelf. Report comment Reply 4. holysnippet says: May 31, 2024 at 1:57 am Very good point, I don't want to put 150 bucks into a second-hand processor and risk missing my mod. Might as well wait and save up for the real new stuff that's coming. Thanks a lot. Report comment Reply 5. Gareth says: May 31, 2024 at 2:45 am It's the waste that angers me. As consumers, we get the lectures about being responsible yet Intel (and Apple) keep pulling nonsense tricks like this? I asked the UK political parties what their plan was when W10 became unsupported and all the PC's that couldn't be "upgraded" to W11 became scrap. None of them had a clue. Report comment Reply 1. pigster6 says: May 31, 2024 at 4:22 am I spoke to some politicians some time ago about this topic - and right to repair in general (and how Apple likes to block 3rd party repair) - their answer was "This is not a political topic." - "You care, some small amount of nerds like you care, but general public don't care, they will not even understand what are you talking about." That was the moment i finally understood how this work - there are 2 forces that drives policies 1) General public - that would be large amount of people - large enough it can have meaningful effect on the results of elections 2) Corporate lobbying - corporations create jobs and pays taxes (and sponsors political parties) - when a corporation (or trade group representing whole sector or similar) says "we need this changed / not changed to continue our business / continue employing people and pay taxes" - they will listen as that can have large impact on the economy - if we disregard corruption than 2) is taken into account only if not in conflict with 1) - politicians do understand (mostly?) that 2) can backfire. Right to repair is an esoteric topic. that's why right to repair is so hard to get - corpos hates it and General public don't care Report comment Reply 1. 0xdeadbeef says: May 31, 2024 at 5:40 am 1, sadly, is largely ineffective these days. The politicians know they can pay lip service to what the general public has voiced, and then let the matter quietly drop. Instead of giving examples that are guaranteed to piss off one so-called side or the other, I'll simply leave you with this Princeton study from 2014 on how effective the general public is on changing policy here in the US: https://discovery.princeton.edu/2014/11/14/ study-casts-doubt-on-fairness-of-u-s-democracy/ While this study is clearly US-centric, parallels can be drawn from it to other Western governments as well. Indeed, it may be an open question as to how much of a democracy any of us have at this point. Report comment Reply 2. Macster says: May 31, 2024 at 5:50 am It might be helpful if folks debated in good faith and used the terminology properly, instead of abusing it. CPU nerds (no insult intended; I am a nerd) who are obsessed with upgrading their CPU every 12 months is not a "right to repair" issue. Nothing is broken, here. Right to repair is a separate issue from the attempt to get manufacturers to make all their engineering decisions based on the needs of folks who want to upgrade over and over again and use new CPUs with old motherboards. Report comment Reply 1. bob says: May 31, 2024 at 6:44 am I don't think right to repair is a separate issue from collaborative engineering decisions. In the past the eu looked at the waste from mobile phone chargers and mandated that every phone sold should charge via usb, and it worked. We can demand that a similar law be created so that any new design processor sold in the eu must be compatible with a standardized mobo. the law creating the standard will of course be an open forum. What use is it to have a right to repair if compatible parts do not exist or are prohibitively expensive. Look at hyundai's theta 2 engines, almost all of them bricked themselves due to manufacturing defects. toyota's 2022 tundra v6 is currently going a similar route, as are many ford ecoboost. Second hand engines do not exist in sufficient numbers to fit these vehicles, therefore i recommend a standard be created so that each engine's bell housing bolt pattern be compatible, in order to reuse older engines who have been scrapped due to unrelated faults. No new designs will be allowed to be sold unless they are compatible with the standard. I also recommend that all vehicle electrical systems follow an open standard. There should not be thousands of faulty incompatible electrical control units when they all do the same thing, and theft deterrence of proprietary systems is not a reasonable excuse. Some manufacturers use a coded system to internal parts such as on the flywheel that require a complete teardown to change. That is not something the kia boyz will do. Report comment Reply 2. Arya Voronova says: May 31, 2024 at 7:03 am > upgrade over and over again and use new CPUs with old motherboards. so, the AMD experience? Report comment Reply 3. Ostracus says: May 31, 2024 at 5:59 am Substitute "farmers" for "general public" and soon everyone cares because their food is on the line. Rich or poor, we all have to eat. Report comment Reply 4. Homer10 says: May 31, 2024 at 6:58 am It's all about the money! Report comment Reply 5. LookAtDaShinyShiny says: May 31, 2024 at 8:52 am If the general public don't care it's because politicians are not explaining it correctly. Instead of right to repair, lead with 'right to not be charged more money for stuff I don't need' then the public would, in fact, care. Especially in the middle of economic downturns. Report comment Reply 1. pigster6 says: May 31, 2024 at 11:52 am Well that's the thing - IMHO in democracy, politicians don't explain, they represent people. I know it may sound naive, but politicians is there to do what you want (in democracy, that is a compromise between what various people want) - they are not suppose to do what they think is good for you and than explain why is it good for you. Rather they present what they will do if elected and you choose your party / representative by your alignment to what they promise (so if you want high corporate taxes, you choose somebody that promises that, if you want low corporate taxes, you choose somebody that want that instead). Nobody wants to talk about right to repair or other similar things because they believe it is a waste of precious potential voter attention - too little people care. I am from Europe - in all countries, there are way more there 2 parties - actually a big selection to choose from, of course only some will get into parliaments and governments, but still. As to "politicians doing what is good for you" - look at EU commission - they are trying to do just that sometimes - like banning incandescent bulbs (lot of people upset), banning too powerful vacuums (again lot of people upset), forcing mobile carriers to ditch roaming fees - surprisingly no one is upset about that etc. You get the point, it tend to upset people. So who should do the "explaining"? Well IMHO we do. If you care about that topic and want policies for it - you need to talk to people around you, convince enough or support local organizations which try to promote the topic. In the end, once there are enough people that will say "i will vote for you if you will push more stringent consumer protection / right to repair and i will not for you if you don't promise that" things may start to change. Until then, nothing. Report comment Reply 6. Jeff Jackson says: May 31, 2024 at 12:30 pm I was under the impression that large corps DON'T pay taxes, at least not on the scale that they should, simply because politicians keep approving their "write-offs." Whereas the working man, just getting by, has already lost most deductions that made sense, so now it's the working man who pays the largest portion of taxes. I know MY taxes have certainly gone up, along with the cost of living. And there's no respite, since politicians favor "big business" the lobbyists, and trade orgs when they pass new tax laws. Personally, I favor any mods that save me money and minimize e-waste. Not sure what the big problem with BIOS is. Since fast SSDs are available, the boot process doesn't take long anymore, and anyway the tiny BIOS wasn't what slowed it down. What is ppl's problem with BIOS, besides not being able to put any processor into any mobo? Report comment Reply 2. Will says: May 31, 2024 at 5:36 am Right? I love how my 7700k/1080 PC isn't W11 compatible but the very next gen is. My PC is still plenty powerful enough Report comment Reply 3. Jan Praegert says: May 31, 2024 at 6:01 am It is an open secret that Win11++ will be supported on legacy systems via a registry trick by Microsoft itself. (As fas as I have heard from those who pretend to be in the knowledge.) I wouldn't trust in an uneven Windows version number. :-) Report comment Reply 1. Mikael says: May 31, 2024 at 6:06 am Just use Rufus to generate a Windows 11 USB key for installation and you can disable the TPM/RAM checks, etc., and install Windows 11 on most x86-64 systems. Windows 7 was pretty decent, though :-) Report comment Reply 1. Kidd says: May 31, 2024 at 1:55 pm Yeah and to add to that, windows 8 was anything but great Report comment Reply 4. Sword says: May 31, 2024 at 6:18 am Said people with unsupported computers could run Linux. Free software, and today's install is pretty hands off compared with when I started using Linux in 2006. Why do people pretend Windows is the only way? Report comment Reply 1. TG says: May 31, 2024 at 7:37 am Because they have jobs Report comment Reply 1. Arya Voronova says: May 31, 2024 at 10:14 am this article was brought to you with help of a full-Linux stack so idk. "Need Windows for work" attitude is very 2016 and is best left there, some people might, but most don't. Even less so, given just how much more Windows sucks nowadays than it did before. Report comment Reply 2. Robert says: May 31, 2024 at 10:17 am No, but rather, because they fail to realise that needing some piece of Windows exe software (which people genuinely sometimes do, myself included) can be overcome with either WINE (sometimes) or with a Windows VM (whenever wine won't work) running as a guest on a Linux host system. Report comment Reply 1. KDawg says: May 31, 2024 at 10:33 am so one of your solutions for not needing windows is to install windows ... why hasn't everyone jumped ship? Report comment 3. Robert says: May 31, 2024 at 10:20 am With their plans for Recall and Copilot I wouldn't trust any Windows system, at all. But good news, you can switch to Linux, and if you need some particular piece of Windows exe software (as many of us do when the Linux native equivalents aren't up to scratch) you might succeed under Wine, or else you can install a Windows OS as a guest inside a VM and fully isolate it from any internet connections it might use for sinister telemetry. Report comment Reply 1. Petter says: May 31, 2024 at 2:19 pm Already did, some half a year ago. I already have had dual boot for ten years due to games and it generally working. However, then along came windows with YET ANOTHER bloody Serial USB that was nigh impossible to get to work. And in doing so they broke the cardinal rule: "do as I tell you". It worked first try in Linux. I still have the same dual boot install but have not actually started windows since.. most games running just fine in Linux is also a big boon. Report comment 2. Major Pain says: May 31, 2024 at 10:19 am For most people Windows is their only way. They are not willing, in many cases capable, of learn or understanding even minimum technological subject matter. They want a toaster. Put the bread in, get toast out. As often as not any thing more than a single knob is simply beyond their understand and desire to learn. Report comment Reply 1. Arya Voronova says: May 31, 2024 at 10:23 am You can do that with Linux, you install Ubuntu and go. It appears way more of a "which OS are people taught first" thing, to be quite honest. Report comment Reply 1. Sam says: May 31, 2024 at 10:37 am A refugee fleeing the disaster-zone of Windows will do better with Mint than Ubuntu though, they're virtually identical behind the GUI but Mint is laid out more like Windows (clicking usual place to close a window, Ubuntu being left hand side instead...). I fled to Mint when M$ was distributing the GWX.exe malware to try to force Win 10 upgrades, have also used Ubuntu since. Both are very good Linux distros. Report comment 2. Foldi-One says: May 31, 2024 at 12:34 pm Agreed most Linux distros from the bigger names now are already perfectly good and no bigger jump in user experience than between the ever shifting GUI layout of windoze versions. If anything with the advent of smartphone and everyone using app stores the Linux package manger/flatpack software model is now really easy to explain as well and far better than the install a download off the web and just hope it is what you thought it is... Report comment 5. daniel says: May 31, 2024 at 10:30 am Politicians simply don't understand technical matters, all the more reason we must all defy them when they try to ban encryption, order censorship built in to systems, try to push for internet ID cards, try to ban open source software repos, try to ban reverse engineering the firmware of your own devices so you can repair/modify/improve them... Folks who've had Philosophy, Politics and Economics, or Classics, degrees at Oxford as there only education and who wouldn't even know how to hold a soldering iron, folks who think firm-ware means stiffened shoulder pads on a suit... aren't competent (or benevolent enough in their overall intentions) to make sensible rules on these matters, so any rules they do make must be ignored. John Perry Barlow's internet declaration must be our starting point, it stands as a constitution be be valued above the lunatic ramblings of a parliament which never does anything but blindly follow the demands of whichever bunch of fools holds a majority in it. Report comment Reply 6. TerryMatthews says: May 31, 2024 at 5:20 am Ah they are simply on a 30 year hack recycle schedule. The venerable pencil has been helping us overclock and make cpus compatible for decades lol. Report comment Reply 7. Mike Bradley says: May 31, 2024 at 8:52 am I like the idea of not having to hack/trick my hardware... I never upgrade just the CPU, because by the time a new CPU is usually available, there is usually some new MB stuff available. But then I dont measurebate over single generation upgrades, I wait 2 or 3 and nothing really changes on my workflow. Back to my poiunt, I upgrade the CPU/MB/RAM as a package. Then I repurpose the older CPU/MB/RAM. Report comment Reply 8. Keith K. says: May 31, 2024 at 10:56 am This is old news but I'm glad it's resurfacing years later. A bunch of us did this on the notebookreview forms (RIP) for the Clevo P870KM1/-G. Still to this day running and i9-9900KF and that z270 board (with upgraded cooler and thermal grizzly Conductonaut) 100% stable. Stock clocks & under volted. DSANKE bios mod. Report comment Reply 1. Arya Voronova says: May 31, 2024 at 11:07 am Well done, and glad to hear it's worked wonders for you! ^~^ Kind of an old mod, but the hardware is still very popular, and it's resurfaced once again lately - I was surprised to see we haven't covered it yet! Report comment Reply 9. Greg A says: May 31, 2024 at 1:42 pm i appreciate that this is an epic hack indeed but does anyone actually ever change the CPU on their motherboard? i don't think i have, even once. i thought about it just this week, for the first time in my life, when i saw that the top CPU supported by my 5 year old motherboard has twice as many cores and a faster memory interface and is now only $100 on ebay. but i talked myself out of it, because i guess it seems like a lot of waste for a mid-life-cycle upgrade?? it's hard for me to make decisions like this now because the advantages seem pretty minor...it's mostly just whether i want to deal with the headache of actually opening it up and finding out if it still boots after i'm done. i just feel like most PCs and servers are on an upgrade schedule where by the time you want a new CPU you also want a new MB and RAM too. i seem to be on a 9 year schedule for MB+CPU+RAM, anyways. Report comment Reply 10. Michael R says: May 31, 2024 at 2:45 pm I did these mods on an ASUS Maximus VIII Hero Z170 board and upgraded from a 6600K to a 9900K. The board's VRMs were more than enough to handle all 8 cores of the 9900K at 5.1 GHz all core. Breathed some serious new life into that system. Report comment Reply 11. Johannes Rexx says: May 31, 2024 at 3:11 pm Intel appears to command a hugely loyal following, despite the silly tricks it pulls on them. But I'm done with Intel's business ethics. I'm looking at AMD or ARM-based machines now and following RISC-V developments. Report comment Reply Leave a ReplyCancel reply Please be kind and respectful to help make the comments section excellent. (Comment Policy) This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed. 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