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Which word begins with "y" and looks like an axe in this picture?
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My 1-year kid has a plastic ball that is decorated with all 26
letters from the English alphabet and besides each letter is an
image. I suppose the images are of words in English that begin with
each of the letters. That works for all of them, except for the Y,
which image looks like an axe to me. I searched for synonyms for axe
(hatchet, tomahawk) but could not find one that starts with Y.
Following is a picture I took from the ball where the Y and it's
image can be seen. Y is surrounded by Queen, Nail, Worm, Elephant and
Kangaroo, I suppose.
Can someone help me identify which English word is depicted in Y?
image of the ball
The complete list of letter/symbol pairs, for those asking, is Apple,
Bear, Cat, Dog, Elephant , Frog, Giraffe, House, Ice, Jet, Kangaroo,
Lion, Mouse, Nail, Owl, Pig, Queen, Rainbow, Snail, Tiger, Uboat
(submarine), Volcano, Worm, Xylophone, Y / axe, Zebra.
And thanks to @jkej's Google sleuthing, another view of the ball may
be seen at the site fishpond.com.
I bought the ball in a store called Lojas Franca, located in a mall
called Bourbon Shopping Wallig in Porto Alegre, in southern Brazil.
Edit - I was looking for any sign that could help us identify the
manufacturer of the ball and all I could find were the letters DNE
near the air valve. Following is an image of that part of the ball,
in case it helps:
image of the ball rotated to show DNE in small letters
* single-word-requests
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The close votes are misguided. The question is about English.
That the most likely answer is a Swedish word does not change the
fact that the question is about English. "Can someone help me
identify which English word is depicted in Y?" The answers,
including the Yxa answer started out by searching, and not
finding, an English word. If @Dan Bron had stopped with "There is
no English noun starting with Y that means ax" would there be any
Close Votes? If "yellow" had been judged correct would ELU be
better off? Would the close-voters vote to delete Dan Bron's
answer as Not an Answer?
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@Draakhond the question stops being about language and more about
graphic design and illustration. The title asks what word begins
with Y, so it's best to focus on that.
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@DanBron Thanks again for your effort. Since you're done editing
your answer and it has strong evidences that the y-axe is,
indeed, an yxa, I'm marking it as accepted. About the image, I
posted it in the chatroom, so that this question remains focused
on the y image
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A suspect
I think the manufacturer of your son's ball mixed in a Swedish word:
Yxa
Swedish, n.: an axe
See caption
[The photograph above is page 22 of the Swedish children's book
Vill du lasa I ("Would you like to read [vol I]") by painter Elsa
Beskow. The J above it is for julgran, the Swedish word for
Christmas tree.]
Forensics
I say this on the basis that:
1. I checked several thesauruses, like you, as well as Wikipedia's
category for axes, and while I found adze, chopper, cleaver,
hatchet, mattock, tomahawk, twibill and so on, I found nothing
approaching a word with an initial y.
2. I used OneLook.com's reverse-dictionary functionality to search
for "words starting with a y and having a meaning relating to axe
"1 and the only thing suggested was yataghan: "a long Turkish
knife with a curved blade having a single edge". An image search
tells us that no ball-maker would confuse this sword-like blade
for an axe.
3. Going one step further, I checked Wikipedia's comprehensive list
of bladed weapons, and from all countries, throughout all
history, only 3 start with an initial y: yanmaodao (Chinese),
yari (Japanese), and yatagan (Turkish). These are all sword-like
weapons, not axe-like, and as mentioned in the previous bullet,
of the three, only yatagan has made it into English dictionaries.
4. I used an online tool named Translatr to translate both axe and
hatchet into 90+ languages, and cross-checked these with the
manual translations on Wiktionary, and literally the only word of
those ~200 options which started with a y was Swedish yxa.
Cross-checking the translation from Swedish back into English
confirmed that Swedish yxa is English axe. And indeed it is used in
Swedish children's primers to illustrate the letter y, as you can see
from the children's book excerpt above.
The crime scene
As for the other symbols on the ball, we can analyze which
letter-symbol pairings make sense in each language. Here I've tagged
each pairing with to indicate "the name a toddler would shout out
for the depicted object starts with the corresponding letter", for
"no, it doesn't", and for "this pairing merits further discussion".
In English, the pairings are Apple, Bear, Cat, Dog, Elephant, F
rog, Giraffe, House, Ice, Jet, Kangaroo, Lion, Mouse, Nail,
Owl, Pig, Queen, Rainbow, Snail, Tiger, Uboat, Volcano, W
orm, Xylophone, Y / axe, Zebra.
In Swedish, these correspond to Apple, Bjorn, Katt, Hund, E
lefant, Groda, Giraff, Hus, Is, Jet, Kanguru, Lejon, Mus, S
pik2, Uggla, Gris, Drottning, Regnbage, Snigel, Tiger, Ubat,
Vulkan, Mask3, Xylofon, Yxa, Zebra.
As you can see, because most of these words
* are loanwords to both languages (like kangaroo or giraffe), or
* are loanwords from English to Swedish (like jet[plane]), or
* have [proto-]Germanic roots shared by both English and Swedish
(like house and mouse), or
* are completely artificial coinages (like xylophone)
most pairings are sensible in both languages.
All told, in Swedish there are 8 words which simply do not fit, not
to mention that, as @jkej points out, a Swedish ball would also have
to present the letters A, A and O, and would possibly choose to omit
W. This rules out the possibility that this is a ball made for the
Swedish market.
For English, on the other hand, outside the mysterious Y, all the
pairings use straightforward, non-suspicious common nouns an
English-speaking toddler would be familiar with^4.
Except for one. That U-boat is Swedish-fishy.
A new clue
Almost no one refers to submarines as U-boats in contemporary
English. Quoting @tchrist's response to that information:
... especially how a submarine or "U-boat" picture that got used
for the U, given how uncommon a word for a sub that U-boat is in
English these days -- and to a toddler rather than to a
great-grandfather who might actually remember them.
Which is evidence against the maker of the ball being completely
familiar with English as she is spoke.
There's also positive evidence for "U" is for "U-boat" in Swedish
children's primers. Quoting @jkej in the comments:
The submarine could be seen as circumstantial evidence (although
not very strong) for some kind of Swedish mix-up explanation.
Although U-boat is an English word, it seems a little strange to
use it in this context. But in Swedish ubat is the only word for
submarine.
I used Google Image to examine some English alphabet posters and
it seemed like almost all of them used umbrella or unicorn for U,
but none of them used a U-Boat. Similarly, I found several
Swedish alphabet posters with ubat for U, although uggla (owl)
was more common. I can also confirm that yxa was very common for
Y.
And indeed it's easy to turn up Swedish pedagogical material having
both Y = yxa and U = ubat, like this one from the Swedish site
imgrum.com:
2x3 grid of letter-image pairs showing T-Y
But it doesn't stop there.
Following the footprints
Following @jkej's lead on Fishpond.com, I found the manufacturer is
Ball, Bounce and Sport Inc.^5
This is page 32 of their online catalog (you need to install Adobe
Flash; their PDF catalog is broken^6):
page 32 of Hedstrom toy catalog
[Item G: 54-4155; #10 A-Z Phonics; 0-33149 04155-9]
However, though Fishpond.com listed "Ball, Bounce and Sport Inc." as
the ball's manufacturer, upon visiting BB&S' site, one immediately
notices the headers and copy all immediately point to another name:
Hedstrom logo
Structurally, Ball, Bounce and Sport Inc. was once a subsidiary of
Hedstrom, and through a series of fits and starts in the last
century, eventually took ownership of the Hedstrom brand, and now is
doing business as Hedstrom.
That is, Hedstrom is the ball manufacturer's preferred name for
branding purposes. Which is interesting, because the name "Hedstrom"
is Scandinavian; per Wikipedia's article on the surname:
Hedstrom, Hedstrom and Hedstrom are surnames of Swedish and
Norwegian origin
Tailing the suspect
So is the name Hedstrom indicative of Swedish influences on the
ball's manufactoring process?
The Smart Business article linked above on BBS taking ownership of
the the Hedstrom brand notes:
BBS owns 98 percent of U.S. and Canadian rubber ball markets and
a growing percentage of the rotational molding market.
No mention of international markets. However, one influence I can
find of non-North American interests in Hedstrom is that these
sources confirm that manufacturing is done in Asia, as other answers
and comments suggest:
BB&S's Hedstrom Entertainment Division makes play balls and other
toys in Asia
But what about Sweden? I've read several different histories of
Hedstrom. The accounts are confusing and at points seemingly
contradictory, involving many name changes.
But the salient event was in 1981:
Eagle Rubber started making balloons out of a garage in 1916. The
company grew and spawned an industry that led to Ashland becoming
the balloon capital of the world. The company eventually added
lines of plastic play balls. It was bought out by Hedstrom Inc.
in 1981, which went bankrupt in 2004.
But if Eagle was the company who built up the play ball business,
whence the the acquiring company, Hedstrom? According to this column
of Harry Rinker, who is an antiques appraiser and thereby somewhat of
an historian:
Carl H. Hedstrom, E. Gustaf Hedstrom, Knute W. Hedstrom, Wilfred
P. Shuffleton, and Walter Beaman founded the Hedstrom Company,
Gardner, Massachusets in 1915.
... The Hedstrom Corporation still exists. Its Bedford plant
produces outdoor gym sets, play balls, toys, etc. The Dotham
operation is toy focused.
Thus the name Hedstrom originates from three Swedes in 1915. The
catalog above is dated ~2012, and page 32 lists several of the
playballs as new, but not the phonics one, so it's not clear when the
ball was first produced. But certainly a century passed between the
reason for naming the company Hedstrom and producing the ball.
So, with a century and countless mergers, bankruptcies, and
restructurings intervening, the Swedish name Hedstrom, while
intriguing, cannot be adduced as evidence that the Y stands for yxa.
The interrogation
I reached out to Hedstrom via their online contact form, Twitter, and
Facebook. They replied to me this morning via Facebook:
Facebook reply from Hedstrom with photo of A-Z Phonics ball pairing a
*yoyo* with Y
They confirm your ball is not an official Hedstrom A-Z Phonics ball.
The official ball has a yo-yo for the letter Y. The Hedstrom ball
also has a UPC and producer's mark.
Further, Hedstrom confirms they do no business internationally
(outside Canada, one assumes), and they're not aware of any specific
producers who have a known history of copying their designs.
Follow-up FB message from Hedstrom confirming they do no business
internationally
A second customer service representative actually responded
separately to my contact via their website, instead of Facebook. She
did her own forensics, and corroborated that Hedstrom's opinion is
that this is a knock-off ball:
Thank you for visiting our website and for your online inquiry
about an ABC Playball. Unfortunately, I do not believe this ball
was manufactured by Hedstrom. I've attached an image from our QA
files of our ball for your reference. Some of the things that tip
me off that this is not our ball are the elephant and kangaroo
colors. Also, there is considerably more white space on you ball
whereas ours has more designs. So, just for fun, I visited our
samples department hoping to find this ball and I was able to
find and inflate a sample of our ball. Our playball has a Yo-Yo
for the letter "Y". Another way you can tell is whether or not
there is an official Hedstrom legal patch. This patch would
contain our name, Hedstrom Corporation, our address, our website,
made in China in three different languages, a UPC barcode with
the number 0-33149-04155-9 and a four-digit date code. Our
inflation valve should be concealed in the Robot "R" picture,
too. I'm not sure if your ball has our legal patch or not or
where your inflation valve is located, but these are just a few
of the way we identify our products. It's probably not impossible
for another manufacturer to find and use our designs as these are
rather old for us and are not licensed or trademarked.
Hope that helps solve the mystery for you. But we are of the
opinion that this is a knock off and not an official Hedstrom
produced playball.
One last follow-up, and she shared the history of the ball, to the
extent she was able to dig up:
The records that I can still access tell me we created this ball
in 2004 and first sold it in 2005. The last one was sold in 2008.
Our records don't indicate 'who' might have been the designer at
the time.
Going under cover
So that trail runs cold. The ball is a knock-off. Let's examine it in
more detail for clues.
Indeed, additional analysis reveals that your ball and the Hedstrom
ball are very similar, but not identical. There are some differences
which have to be taken into account.
In particular, @H Walters points out that the layout -- that is, the
positions of the symbols relative to one another -- are different in
your photograph than in the catalog thumbnail for the Hedstrom ball:
K and E are shared designs between the two images. The
neighborhood around K and E are very different, however; in the
OP image K and E are adjacent and at each others' "9 o'clock" (E
being oriented differently); Q is at K's 6, and Y at K's 7. In
the catalog K and E aren't even adjacent; we can see E's entire
neighborhood (from 1 to 12: BMDGHL), and K's neighborhood that
can be seen is JIDA. So at the very least, if they're the same
ball, K and E are repeated, which makes little sense.
And, as @m69 further points out:
It's not just that the lay-out is different; look at which part
of the letter E is covered by the elephant's ear; that's
different too.
side-by-side comparison of Hedstrom and OP ball pictures
Note also that in the photo of the ball that Hedstrom sent me, V is
used for vase, not volcano, R is for robot, not rainbow, and the
drawing of the nail for N is a slightly different style than on your
ball.
The stake-out
Finally, at @jkej's prompting:
It would add to the "circumstantial" evidence if we could find
out the full set of pictures/words used on the original Hedstrom
ball. Particularly, it would be very interesting if we could
confirm that:
1. All words that are not sensible in English (i.e. Yxa and
U-boat) were absent from the original.
2. All words not sensible in Swedish were present on the
original.
If (2) holds it is possible that all words added to the knock-off
were taken from a Swedish source. Given the pictures of the
original that we already have, we only need to confirm that Owl,
Queen and Worm were on the original to prove (2).
I asked my contact at Hedstrom, and she replied:
The 'U' has a red and white UMBRELLA. The 'O' has a brown and
yellow OWL. The 'Q' has a QUEEN with white hair and a yellow
crown with red & blue jewels. And 'W' is an orange and red WORM.
Based on this, @jkej's analysis is:
I'd like to underscore that I think the answer from Hedstrom was
a BIG step forward. It may seem like a dead end, but it
conclusively tells us that A) the pictures on the ball came from
two distinctly separate sources, B) the general impression of an
English ball can be fully explained by one of the sources, C) the
pictures from the second source are better explained in Swedish.
These were things we could only speculate about before.
DNE evidence
So a third-party made a knock-off version of the ball, not unusual in
Asian manufacture, and introduced these differences, and perhaps
picked up some Swedish contagion in the process.
To confirm that, we'll have to pick up the scent of this mysterious
DNE you found near the valve of your ball.
But to do that, we have to start at the other end of the trail. I've
reached out to Lojas Franca via email and Facebook. The email
bounced, but there's still hope they'll reply on Facebook.
A hot lead!
Meanwhile, an informant, @Brad Koch, has it from some good sources in
shady corners of the internet that the ball has been found. From
@thedrake on HackerNews:
I found the BALL manufacturer!!!!
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/
Alphabets-print-ball_573748097.html
ball pictures from Alibaba.com
And what do we spy in the SW and SE corners of the right image (zoom
in):
* Y: Y/*axe* suspect
* U: U/*submarine suspect
Our suspects! Hiding in China, right where our intelligence said
they'd be. And all the other images match as well.
Now to track down the manufacturer of these knock-off balls.
The chase afoot
From the Alibaba link, we find (one) producer of these balls is
Shanghai Jianhuiling Sporting Goods Co., Ltd. Tracking down the
markets they operate in leads us to:
Nature of Business: Exporter, Manufacturer
Industry: Toys & Games
Product/Service Range: Toys and Games
Major Market(s):
* Eastern Europe
* Western Europe
A final fingerprint
So while Hedstrom is not responsible for the axe on your ball, there
is one last piece of evidence that Y=yxa.
We find the ball again on a Swedish user's Pinterest page.
A-Z Phonetics ball found on Swedish Pinterest page
In fact, this one of only 3 sites I could find anywhere on the
Internet with an image of your ball^7.
Case [S:closed:S] open
After all this, one thing is certain. Since the original designer of
the ball, an American company whose employees are native speakers of
English, used yo-yo to illustrate y, we know the intended word is not
English.
Overall, adulteration of the ball with Swedish words seems indicated,
though far from definitive.
But it's the best theory I've got. Except of course for @Vincent
Fourmond's conclusion that we're dealing here with a yakety axe.
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1 [ I also tried "and related to": hatchet, chop, and cut, even
though the latter two words are verbs and all the other symbols on
the child's ball represent concrete nouns. Nothing material emerged.]
2 [We could make a case for N also fitting for Swedish, as @konaya
points out, by observing the depicted object could as easily be a
tack, which is nubb in Swedish.]
3 [Note that the E and K which are on the northermost latitude in the
photograph have different orientations, and the symbol always has the
same orientation as its letter (i.e., the top of the symbol shows you
where the top of the letter is) so there is no concern that the W for
worm might be M for maggot or anything.
I say this because I wondered for a moment whether the illustrator
mistook Y for an upside-down h in hatchet.]
^4 [Which, taken as a holistic pattern, makes the yellow theory very
dubious.]
^5 [Since this question was asked, the Fishpond.com product page has
been removed, with no redirect. Likely that's due to the the
popularity of this question causing many people to hit that page
(which listed an out-of-stock item), causing needless load from their
perspective. But through shrewd parameter hacking, @biolauri got
Google to serve up a cached version. A screenshot is available here,
for when the cache inevitably gets flushed and also disappears.]
[With the cached Fishpond.com page in hand, @H Walters did some
source snooping and noticed a number of references to the same number
as in the Fishpond.com URL: 0033149041559. Many of these references
were meta tags and hidden input fields, variously labelled barcode as
in or gtin13 as in . It also exactly matches the code in the catalog
(see caption under catalog screenshot; there it is listed in
component form Indicator-Company Prefix-Item Reference-Check Digit),
and a barcode search confirms the company prefix 0033149 is indeed
owned by Ball, Bounce and Sport Inc.]
[An interesting discrepancy, however. While the Fishpond.com and BBS
catalog barcode item reference match (04155), the associated "part
numbers" do not. The catalog shows 54-4155: that is, group number 54
(likely "decorated play balls"), species 4155 (same as bar code item
reference, less the leading 0). But Fishpond.com shows Other
Information: 54-4246T, which is the same group number (54, decorated
play balls), but a different species 4246T.]
^6 [And we also know the wholesale price per dozen as of April 2013
was $1.77, thanks to this price sheet (file name
"HedstromSpecialtyPriceListApril2013.xls") tracked down by
@Mari-Lou's UPC hunting skills.]
2103 Hedstrom [Specialty] Price list
[Note that the UPC / barcode is the same as in the catalog,
0-33149-04155-9, but the item number differs. The ~2012 catalog has
54-4155, but the 2013 price list has 54-41554. This may be a typo, or
it may be additional substantiation that one UPC may be used for
different versions of the product.]
^7 [One potential risk here is that the Pinterest.se page was
dynamically generated just for me, based on cookies set during the
course of my research into "Swedish" and a young child's toy. Note
the Swedish header translates to just a generic a "check out these
fine products", and all the products offered are to toys for young
children, related to reading, and all the descriptions are in
English. But I think the risk here is low: I found the site through a
reverse image search on Google, which suggests it pre-existed my
research.]
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@Jaydles Heya Jay. Perhaps the asker of this Famous Great Stellar
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Yue is yue in pinyin, a romanization of Chinese.
This translates to ax.
Google image search for the Chinese word.
Chinese children learn ABCs but likely before they speak English. So
possibly this image was used on another ball designed for Chinese,
and was not changed.
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It is not an axe!
It's crystal-clear that the illustration style has
solid, even-width, non-abstract black edges on color pools, to
represent real objects:
enter image description here
enter image description here
As far as we know, there are no exceptions to this.
But.
The illustration in question deliberately has an "abstract" soft
edge:
enter image description here
Also, note that,
Extremely simply, axes don't have wibbly river-like handles.
My deep fear: It's not an axe.
As others have pointed out, this was drawn almost certainly in 30
seconds by a commercial illustrator with no knowledge of English or
Swedish.
My guess:
1. It was an abstract representation of "yellow" (it makes me think
of "color coming from a paint tube"). Indeed, here - we could
ask? - are we seeing a rare expression of what we could call
artistic sensibility, a personal stroke, from a "factory-line art
worker" - and then,
2. for reasons which - tragically - it is extremely unlikely we will
ever know, some other illustrator came along, and, decided to add
something on the end (possibly - and we can only guess here - not
realizing it was meant to be a, we could even say artistic,
abstract representation of "yellow swish!") so as it make it more
sensible; that person may have thought it was an axe handle, and
knowing nothing about English characters just drew on an axe head
- or - and here, I'm going to introduce a twist - I really think
it may not be an axe head, but rather it was meant to be some
other object we can only guess at. Note that an object such as "a
brush" or "a paint dispensor of some type" would make ideal sense
here.
Indeed note that - and we can only put this in the chapter
"speculative" - one could possibly argue that the illustration is
"suspicious" in the vicinity of the line joins in question:
enter image description here
It can be difficult when a bright-eyed, cheerful investigation by -
let's face it - rich people with computers and electronic panlingual
dictionaries, leads us to not merely a conclusion, but, shall we say,
leads us face to face with the incredibly microscopic - but no less
powerful for it, far from it - psychological dramas that play out "on
the line" of the world of Skyscrapers and Shanties, Lamborghinis and
Slums, that is children's ball manufacture, today.
Have we even thought ...... what dramas could be found ..... on the
other side of the ball?
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"Axes don't have wibbly river-like handles" They don't?! Pictures
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I think this is what happened:
In an office somewhere in Asia.
A - Do you know a word that begins with the letter Y?
B - Why?
A - Yes.
B - ...
A - Well, do you?
B - Do I what?
A - Do you know a word beginning with Y?
B - What do you need it for?
A - Some company from the US with a Swedish name asked me to design a
playground ball with phonics printed on it. Can you think of
something with Y?
B - Yes!
A - That's right. But I don't know how to turn yes into a picture.
B - Oh, I didn't mean yes, I meant: yes, I know such a word.
A - ...
B - Yak!
A - Yuck? That's even harder to picture!
B - No yak, that's like an ox.
A - Oh, okay, didn't know that. Thanks, it's a good one.
B - And yellow of course.
A - Thinking to himself - So yok is a kind of yellow axe? You learn
something new every day. But then again, language was never my strong
suit...
Or is it a Yatch?
I could not find a picture of it, at least not on this worksheet:
Words that start with Y
Just kidding.
This is the real answer in a nutshell and of course here it is
in-depth.
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- Dan Bron
Jun 29, 2017 at 12:27
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Sorry @Dan Bron, I was trying not to come across as greedy. No
reason to yatch at me like that!
- Draakhond
Jun 29, 2017 at 15:04
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Yatch is covfefe for axe.
- anongoodnurse
Jul 1, 2017 at 1:37
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By process of elimination, I think "yatch" is a typo of "yacht".
- adfaklsdjf
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@myloginid, my explanation is just a silly story. It is not my
intention to ridicule Asia in any way. It is highly likely though
that the ball is manufactured in China. I think Chinese and
English are totally different languages, so that might explain
the assumed mistake in translation. (Follow my links te serious
answers under 'Just kidding'). In my story, A and B should be
talking some Asian language to each other, but my knowledge of
these languages is practically zero, so I am the one that would
really get lost in translation!
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I think that the answer is likely to be more simple than most people
here are proposing. Given that so much is manufactured in China and
that 'Chinglish' is a well known phenomenon (Google it), then I
believe the manufacturer has simply got the word for axe wrong.
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I was tempted to post essentially this answer. There are lots of
children's toys made in China where the designer's just haven't
got a clue to some of the cultural references, and the toys are
just bizarre. There's random mixing and matching of stuff that
makes no sense.
- fixer1234
Jun 24, 2017 at 9:47
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I agree with this answer (and +1!), but the intriguing question
was what did the manufacturer think the word for axe was? What
was he trying to spell? Merely yaxe? Probably not. The fun thing
is reverse engineering the error from the forensic evidence.
- Dan Bron
Jun 24, 2017 at 12:59
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This is the correct answer, but there's more to it....
- Fattie
Jun 24, 2017 at 14:14
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@fixer1234 What's a designer's just? :)
- tchrist
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or even, like this.
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Could it be a Yankee Axe?
I found this on the Glossary of YesterdayTools.com:
Yankee axe:
1. a term used to describe the lighter weight American style of
axe as compared to a European style or Spanish style of axe.
Also refers to axes and hatchets that include a flat poll as
compared to the rounded European style of axe without any
poll.
2. a general pattern of axe developed around the turn of the
19th century that was basically square and without the ears
that had previously been included on many axes.
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Mari-Lou brought to my attention the following illustration:
Types of Ax-heads
Source: Eric Sloane's book "Americana: American Barns and Covered
Bridges, Our Vanishing Landscape, and American Yesterdays"
The illustration shows various heads named after various regions of
America including one labelled "Yankee". Note that YesterdayTools
says that the term "Yankee" was used to refer to American style axes,
suggesting that the regional distinction was disregarded outside
U.S.A. where all American style axes would be refered as a Yankee
axes.
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What we find if we look at the history of axes, we find that a lot of
evolution and specialization tailored to the different types of trees
found in each region and the techniques used to process such wood.
Part of the problem of focusing attention on the American axe
arises from the fact that the earliest ones used here were made
in Europe, and certainly the first ones made here were European
in character. Thus, in the earliest colonial times a dividing
line could not be drawn between the two categories. As a matter
of fact, the object was really a European-American axe. Because
iron, unlike wood, is similar regardless of the place it was
made, the essential substance of an axe does not help to identify
its origin. Short of some identifiable maker's mark, the
manufacturers of most of our early axes must remain anonymous.
It seems certain that most of the first axes made in North
America were made and used on the Atlantic seaboard, a few
exceptions occurring when trading companies brought in
blacksmiths to their centers of exchange to repair and resharpen
axes. As settlers moved westward and southward, their needs were
supplied by smiths who went with them and were responsive to
individual needs. This procedure was the beginning of very high
specialization in the forms of axes, a differentiation which was
picked up by the big manufacturers in the nineteenth century. The
axes were mostly of the felling variety, but there were other
purposes for which an axe was needed.
The pace of specialization increased; as evidence of this trend,
one manufacturer informed the writer that at one time the company
manufactured about three hundred different types. The president
of the Mann Edge Tool Company, in Lewistown, Pennsylvania,
reported that in 1969 they were producing seventy different
patterns; however, the bulk of their production involved only
about twenty.
Henry J. Kauffman, in his introduction to "American Axes" (1994); As
quoted in the book "An Ax to Grind - A Practical Ax Manual" (1999)
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Addendum: Why would axes have curved handles?
Aside from cartoony graphics...
Effects of curved handle
A curved handle has the effect of doubling the effective length
of the "Fore-section".
(Because the...)
Real axis of pivot lies along the Prolongation of the handgrip.
Keeping Warm with an Ax: A Woodcutter's Manual, by D. Cook, 1981,
Universe Books
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Examples of different blades and this yankee ax(e) has a long
handle with a curve like the one illustrated on the ball
- Mari-Lou A
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@Mari-LouA Took a while to source the first the image, and
another while truly understand it. I do not think the second
image helps much here.
- Theraot
Jun 25, 2017 at 11:21
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I really love this answer and the scholarship evident in it. I
knew there must be specializations of the tool axe not covered by
Wikipedia's article on bladed weapons. The tool and the weapon
are different things, and the picture on the ball definitely
looks like the tool-type! So now we have Yankee axe (Modern
English), yaxe (Middle English), yxa (Swedish), and yue (Pinyin),
as 4 words that mean axe and start with a y! This is why SE is
amazing.
- Dan Bron
Jun 25, 2017 at 18:11
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I find this hypothesis very unlikely, but I'm upvoting it for the
research.
- J.R.
Jun 26, 2017 at 20:14
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Can you even imagine how important Axes were then?
- Fattie
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One other possibility, that is actually an English word, is yaxe, a
variation of axe/ax^1.
According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the spelling yax was used
briefly in the 15th century, and yaxe was used in Scottish English in
the 18th. This latter usage is also included in several 19th century
collections of Scottish terms, such as Thomas Brown's A Dictionary of
the Scottish Language: Comprehending All the Words in Common Use in
the Writings of Scott, Burns, Wilson, Ramsay, and Other Popular
Scottish Authors, 1845:
YAXE, s. An axe.
And in the 1906 Scottish Notes and Queries, John Malcolm Bulloch,
Ed., there is a note
Most likely E prefixed to Achnach is intended to represent the
sound of Y, which is frequently and in different languages
prefixed to initial vowels to facilitate the pronunciation, as in
the Ayrshire yae, yin, yill, for ac, ane, ale; and Aberdeenshire
yaxe, yaik, yirl, for axe, aik, earl.
Illustrated alphabets for children originated in the period when this
word was apparently in current use (see Wikipedia), so it seems
plausible that some Scottish battledore was the model for this ball.
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Forms: OE acas, ax, eax . . . 15 yax, 18 (Sc.) yaxe . . . .
-- "axe | ax, n.1." OED Online. Oxford University Press, June 2017.
The OED is behind a paywall; if you don't have access, check with
your local library, which may have a subscription.
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SOLVED!!!!!!
Y is for YXA (on the Ball)
My Process: I found the ball by putting myself in the shoes of the
store owner where the original poster bought it.
Now I tried to think like the designer...
I spent several hours after finding the ball looking for an axe or a
hatchet or an Ubat to no avail of the exact image...
This is NOT what the designer would search as they most likely do NOT
speak English (Chinese made from earlier research above of the ball
manufactuer)
Me getting into the shoes of the designer: Assumptions: 1. The
designer is in a hurry. 2. They would search in their language which
I found via google translate is Fu Tou
I looked at the images and in the top right I saw IT... and began to
tremble as it was right there.... enter image description here
Thanks for everyone adding input and getting it to where it is
today...Solved!
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Nicely done! I commend you and your hard work. +1. There is a bug
in the iOS app which prevents me from editing my overly-long
answer right now, but as soon as I'm in front of a laptop, I will
edit the answer to point to this one as the identification of the
axe.
- Dan Bron
Jul 1, 2017 at 4:09
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But... why did the Chinese graphic artist opt for an ax when the
Hedstrom ball had a yoyo that represented the letter Y? Why the
need to change the image? The mystery is not yet solved.
- Mari-Lou A
Jul 1, 2017 at 5:15
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OMG I found the clipart with the letter Y and the same identical
ax but positioned differently.... what do I do? Who do I post it
to? Forgive me, but I must post it to Dan.
- Mari-Lou A
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Well done, Drake! +1 I verified your Google Image results. It's
interesting that this ball was re-designed recently enough that
Google Images 1.) Existed and 2.) Delivered the same results
today as it did when the designer performed their search. This
suggests that this ball was designed relatively recently.
- John Page
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Not an axe. Not a tube of yellow paint. A spraycan with yellow paint.
Spraycan
The graphic artist wasn't aware that it needed to fit in a
constrained space. The editor lopped off the can portion of the
graphic so that it would fit on the ball... and not obstruct the
queen.
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I think the manufacturer of the ball meant the word yellow, as @Yosef
Baskin suggested.
As I said in a comment, I scrolled through Etymonline, words
beginning with y. This is not as insane as it sounds, because there
are not many words beginning with y. I did not find any words in my
scan that could be an axe.
Then I scanned through my very old copy of Webster's New Collegiate
Dictionary (Copyright 1961 by C. & G. Merriam Co.) -- and found
yataghan. Yataghan was not in Etymonline.
My dictionary says:
yataghan, also yatagan, (Turk.) A long knife, or short saber,
without a crosspiece, common among Mohammedans.
But as Dan Bron said, the picture does not look like a long knife or
a short saber, and the word would not be in a child's vocabulary. But
yataghan is a word in an English dictionary!
However, I am convinced that the word is yellow.
Addendum (June 30, 2017): I've realized for two or three days that
Dan Bron is right. I was wrong. It is yxa. It isn't yellow. I thought
about deleting this answer, but am letting it stand as part of the
historical record of this historic question.
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The answer I have is one that I cannot bet on. But it does seem very
likely that there has been some confusion on the part of the
manufacturer. I saw a video on YouTube that started with: The Y Axes.
Singular: Y-axis Plural: Y-axes
Axes is the only word in English that is used as the plural of three
different singular noun forms: 1) ax, 2) axe, and 3) axis. The
manufacturer probably saw somewhere the plural form mentioned above
and put two and two very strange ones together!!
Y and Axe do come together in this weird way! Hope this helps.
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Hmmm. And it would look natural too from the perspective of a
non-native speaker: X-ray, or X-ray fish, U-boat, Y-axes. (The
fromer three appearing in alphabet books everywhere ... Presumaby
to be followedby I-pads))
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The original Graphic Artist?!
Working off of thedrake's research, I was able to recreate his Google
query. Unfortunately, the only image available through it, is a low
resolution version from Google's image cache. I downloaded the
low-resolution image and used it in a new Google search by image.
This effort led me to a high resolution version.
enter image description here
Note the tell-tale water mark in the lower left corner! The
water-mark led me to a page on a Chinese website that might belong to
the artist. Edit: Here is a translated version of his page. The term
"Xinyang" can be translated to "belief, faith" according to Janus
Bahs Jacquet. (See his comment below for more)
Is this nipic user, an individual artist, a graphic design group, or
a reseller? The profile picture of the young boy makes me think this
is the personal page of an individual. It would be interesting to ask
him what his intent was when he designed the Y/Axe graphic. Here is
the artist's profile picture:
boy
Edit: On the same website, nipic.com, Mary-Lou A found this image.
Similar axe, but a different "Y".
Y Axe[7]
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Nice work tracking down the origin of the picture thedrake found
through Google. Btw, here is the picture as uploaded by
Xinyangtcdj. The last picture in your post was already found by
Mary_Lou A some 12 hours before you. This find led to some
additional breakthroughs which you can read all about in the
comments to Dan Bron's answer. Your first find is still of
interest though, because the upload is dated to 2008-03-11 making
it the earliest record of the axe picture we have found so far.
- jkej
Jul 1, 2017 at 23:40
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Xinyangtcdj cannot really be translated as anything. Xinyang is
probably either Xin Yang xinyang 'belief, faith' or Xin Yang xinyang
'intense desire', but tcdj is probably just an abbreviation
representing the initial letter (in Pinyin transcription) of four
syllables that we have no way of knowing for certain what are.
When typing Chinese, you can just type the first letter of each
syllable and it guesses at a likely meaning; tcdj yields Tian Chang Di Jiu
tianchang dijiu, which does mean 'everlasting and unchanging'
(lit. 'as far as the heavens, as long as the earth'), but that's
just one possibility.
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Edit :
After some discussion with other user in the comment section, I
now think it was a production mistake. One of the graphic meant
to be printed on the Swedish version of that toy was mistakenly
printed on the English version instead. (basically agree with the
top answer from Dan Bron)
~ originally my answer was as below:
There have to be a mistake somewhere -- Q-Queen, W-worm, N-Nail
pairings make sense, but 'Y' and 'Axe' pair doesn't, because the word
Axe doesn't begin with Y.
I think the original design was [X-aXe].
The point of this design was to match an alphabet with an easily
remembered common word, thus help children to better remember the
English alphabet; since there is no common word begin with the
alphabet X, the designer made an exception and paired Axe with X,
because the pronunciation of Axe is similar to X.
There are two rules in choosing a word to match an alphabet in this
design. 1. the word has to begin with the same alphabet. 2. the word
has to be common enough for kids to remember. The designer couldn't
follow both rules for the alphabet X and decided rule #2 is more
important because this is a design for helping kids to remember
alphabets. Although the word 'axe' doesn't begin with 'X', but 'axe'
does contains 'X' and it is the prominent alphabet in the word.
The handle of the axe is supposedly the missing lower left part of
the alphabet X, which should be painted green to complete the
alphabet. It was either the designer's idea, thinking people would
get the idea that the missing part of X was replaced by the axe's
handle. Or it was a production error that painted the axe handle with
different color.
I am a retired graphic designer.
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The OP has listed the letters and the corresponding images: Worm,
Xylophone, Y / axe, Zebra So, you see there is the term
Xylophone, and it's very commn in Children's colouring books and
primers see Google images. You can also see a bit of the
instrument poking out on the ball on the extreme left-hand side.
No letter was mistaken, thus your idea is groundless.
- Mari-Lou A
Jun 26, 2017 at 7:31
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It might still be a production mistake. One of the graphic meant
to be painted on the Swedish version of that toy was mistakenly
printed on the English version instead.
- Tang Ho
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Another connection between the letter Y and axes might be the Epsilon
Axe.
According to Wikipedia the Epsilon Axe is named after the greek
letter epsilon (E,[?]).
In some language like German, the latin letter Y is called "Ypsilon",
after the greek letter Upsilon (U,u). Other languages like Portuguese
also use some variants of that name for both the greek and the modern
latin letter.
Since Epsilon and Ypsilon sound very similar, it's conceivable that
someone accidentally confused Epsilon Axe with Ypsilon Axe, which may
got simplified to just an axe in the design.
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So... the illustrator was given the task to draw an epsilon axe.
So why is the drawing on the ball very different from a real
Epsilon axe? Is there an explanation for this discrepancy? Note
that the blade is similar to the letter E
- Mari-Lou A
Jun 27, 2017 at 11:47
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I thinks it's more likely that the illustrator just got the task
to draw any axe and didn't question why.
- kapex
Jun 27, 2017 at 12:04
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But of course if the origin of the design is from a country that
doesn't use Ypsilon as the name of the letter Y, the top answer
seems more likely overall.
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It's a glass pouring yellow colour.
Here is a contextual similiar picture with something in red:
enter image description here
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My guess is that the maker imagined the verb 'to yield' (as in to
yield a sword), and got confused and messed up the sword and the axe?
I got to this conclusion after I checked all the verbs with Y and
found yield, could this be the case?
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I think you mean to wield a sword. But I suppose you could yield
to a sword.
- Dan Bron
Jun 24, 2017 at 18:34
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@DanBron of course, it's wield, I shouldn't have upvoted. Ack.
- Mari-Lou A
Jun 24, 2017 at 18:40
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@Mari-LouA Also, the axe depicted is the wood-chopping tool kind,
not the skull-chopping weapon kind. And did you know some English
prescriptivists insist on ax for the tool and axe for the weapon?
That's something new I learned while researching this question.
It's also a reason I'm somewhat unsatisfied with my link to
Wikipedia's comprehensive list of bladed weapons. Who's to say
there isn't an axe tool not on that list, which may begin with a
y (not that a toddler would have that word, whatever it is, in
his vocabulary, of course).
- Dan Bron
Jun 24, 2017 at 18:44
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@DanBron the only way of knowing why the manufacturer chose an
ax, axe, or hatchet is by writing to them or visiting their
website. It's worth noting that no other European word for
"yellow" begins with Y, in Swedish it's gul
- Mari-Lou A
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@Mari-LouA No, that's not the only way. Just as it's not true
that the only way to know if a suspect actually mustered a victim
is y asking him. You collect and analyze evidence and present a
case. That case is convincing or not. Here, the form factor of
the axe tells us it's the tool axe (likely a hatchet, one handed,
but being that definitive is probably beyond the scope of
analyzing a cartoon). Compare it to the hatchet in my answer or
the one I posted under Fattie's answer. Now compare it to google
pictures of battle axes.
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I guess it's a verb, not noun:
tr.v. axed, ax*ing, ax*es
1. To chop or fell with or as if with an axe: axed down the saplings;
axed out a foothold in the ice.
2. Informal To remove ruthlessly or suddenly
v.tr. yanked, yank*ing, yanks
1. To pull with a quick, strong movement; jerk: yanked the emergency
cord.
2. Informal To extract or remove abruptly
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There is no hand or person pulling the ax(e) or hatchet from a
stump. Why isn't it 'chop" then? Or "cut down"? Or "fell" as in
to fell a tree? Y is for yellow, Y is for Yak, and for Yeti, Y is
for Yacht, and Yoghurt. Plenty of words beginning with Y
- Mari-Lou A
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Because they needed a word w/ Y
- jaam
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Why would the verb "axed" go with Y?
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@Mari-LouA: Feel free to propose connections w/ Yak, Yeti, etc.
As for the lack of "hand" (or what else) on the pic, an obvious
idea is to make it as simple as possible. Axe is both a noun and
verb, so no "hand" is strictly necessary (besides, it would
confusingly co-refer to hand and handaxe then)
- jaam
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@Clare: The verb is axe. In case you haven't noticed, an axe is
paired w/ Y (and/or an Y-shaped twig) on the pic
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