https://blog.computationalcomplexity.org/2023/12/where-do-journals-go-to-die.html Computational Complexity Computational Complexity and other fun stuff in math and computer science from Lance Fortnow and Bill Gasarch Sunday, December 10, 2023 Where do Journals go to Die? In 2011 I had a post, here, about a real journal called The Antarctica Journal of Mathematics. Note that I put in the link in the last sentence; however, if you go there you will get to a page that IS labelled with the name of that journal, but all of the links on it are either broken or go to a place to sell domain names. I assume the journal is dead, but I can't find any evidence that it was ever alive. When I googled it I got the link above for the first hit and my 2011 blog post for the fourth hit. On Wikipedia I found a debate about deleting the Wikipedia webpage for it, which I assume won since there is no webpage for it. Here is that webpage: here. That page also debates whether the journal was a joke, though they conclude that it was not a joke. If you try to go to The Journal of Combinatorics and Number Theory using that link you will find a) There is a page, but it says that the journal is discontinued. b) You can click to see the table of contents from Vol 11, No 1 to Vol 12 No. 3. c) There is a mechanism to click on stuff and BUY articles from those issues but I do not know if it works, and I am not going to find out. d) For issues before Vol 11, there is a place to click for prior issues. When you click on it you get to the NOVA publishers webpage but no indication of where to go for prior issues of this particular journal. e) There is no Wikipedia site for the journal. That might not mean much, there is no Wikipedia site for Raegan Revord either, and she deserves one (I linked to her IMDB page). f) Why do I care? Actually, I don't care much. However, I DO have an article in that journal, co-authored with Larry Washington and Sam Zbarsky. It was refereed seriously and we were never asked for money, so (1) its probably not a scam, and (2) there was some quality control (or the referee didn't get the memo). It was in Volume 10, No. 1. There is no way for me to verify that it was ever published. Fortunately I will never have to. Also, the paper does not need to be published to be known since (1) I blogged about it here and (2) its on arxiv's here. Someone read it (probably on arxiv) and wrote a followup paper, see here. QUESTIONS 1) Why did The Antarctica Journal of Mathematics die? 2) Why did the Journal of Combinatorics and Number Theory die? If an author publishes in a journal that dies, and the journal does not maintain a good website, how can the author prove that he published there, if they need to? For a paper journal they may have a paper version of the journal, but for an e-journal they may be SOL. If the paper is not on arxiv (or a similar site) it may be lost forever. Note that even if you wanted to pay for an article in either of those journals, it might be impossible. 3) I wonder- are journals losing money since people are using arxiv and hence not buying the journals? I only use journals to get credit from my school for publishing, and to get a good proofread from the referee. NOT to get an article out there. Thats what arxiv is for! Also, in my case I can email my article to the few people who care. And I can blog about it. Posted by gasarch at 11:08 PM # # Email ThisBlogThis!Share to TwitterShare to FacebookShare to Pinterest 5 comments: 1. [blank] Evangelos Georgiadis7:28 AM, December 11, 2023 Don't despair there is proof-of-existence for that it did get published. You could use the waybackmachine -- a nifty yet antiquated toolkit: https://web.archive.org/web/20200814050459/http:// www.novapublishers.org/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=65791 The mildly amusing thing about this journal is that it was operated out of NYC, and charged a whooping 8.87692% NYC SALES TAX on every online purchase ... (at least for the 130.00 USD articles). ReplyDelete Replies 1. [David_2009] David Marcus8:31 AM, December 11, 2023 You might wish to donate to the Internet Archive to help make sure they don't go out of business. Delete Replies Reply Reply 2. [blank] Abigail5:05 AM, December 12, 2023 Electronic publications disappearing isn't only a problem for academic journals. National Libraries (like the Library of Congress in the USA) tend to collect everything that was published, from daily issues of large national newspaper, to the monthly discount leaflet of your neighbourhood grocery shop. They have recognized a long time ago that there is a shift from paper to digital, and that digital publications need to be preserved as well. It is not an easy problem, and I don't know what their current state of preserving is. But if I had a need to show that I published something in a now defunct e-journal, and that journal was published in the USA, I would inquire at the Library of Congress. Or the relevant national library if it was published elsewhere. Though Antarctica may not have a national library. ReplyDelete Replies Reply 3. [blank] Anonymous11:13 AM, December 12, 2023 They both turn up on an ISSN search Antarctica Journal of Mathematics https://portal.issn.org/resource/ISSN/0972-8643 published in India from 2004 according to the Indian registry http://nsl.niscair.res.in/ISSNPROCESS/issnassignedinfo.jsp Journal of combinatorics and number theory https://portal.issn.org/resource/ISSN/1942-5600 published in the US Details of holdings at https://search.worldcat.org/title/ 228503731 ReplyDelete Replies 1. [blank] Anonymous11:15 AM, December 12, 2023 (bill) I clicked on those entries and while they are evidence that the journal existed, they did not lead to getting access to the article in them- OR I didn't know where to click. SO- can I actually access articles from those journals from the links you provide? Delete Replies Reply Reply Add comment Load more... 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