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Like, summary of income through donations, who is currently employed by The Matrix.org Foundation and how are funds spent outside of employments. If such information already is public, I think it makes sense to link it on https://matrix.org/foundation/ If such information is not public yet, please consider to do it. After all, an organization collecting donations should make clear to some degree how those funds are used. The text was updated successfully, but these errors were encountered: All reactions @turt2live turt2live added meta Something that is not a spec change/ request and is not related to the build tools question Further information is requested labels Dec 3, 2019 @ara4n Copy link Member ara4n commented Dec 3, 2019 we haven't published any financial reports yet but will do; the intention is to do them on an annual basis. there are no employees (which is part of the reason for limited reporting so far); currently all donations are being used to fund core dev work on matrix. 7 alohapersona, ptman, akuckartz, ShadowJonathan, joshsimmons, toymil, and forthommel reacted with thumbs up emoji All reactions * 7 reactions Sorry, something went wrong. @alohapersona Copy link Author alohapersona commented Dec 3, 2019 * edited Great. Annual reporting makes sense, no need to create unnecessary overhead by doing too much reporting. I was just wondering as first year is already over (with foundation being founded in Oct 2018), but using calendar years probably makes more sense and for the 3 months of 2018, I assume there was nothing to report on. no employees; all donations are being used to fund core dev work on matrix. Can you share a list of people that receive those funds? Is it the same as this list? https://github.com/orgs/matrix-org/people Thanks for the swift response! All reactions Sorry, something went wrong. @alohapersona Copy link Author alohapersona commented May 7, 2020 @ara4n can you provide an update on this matter? I found the following information on income/assets on the website of matrix.org: * About $3000 donations through patreon per month * About $300 donations through liberapay per month * About $60000 donations in Bitcoin and Ethereum cryptocurrency (transparently visible on the public ledger) * Sponsorship of status.im, upcloud, private internet access, INBlockchain, OmiseGO and Tendermint of unknown amounts. All reactions Sorry, something went wrong. @ara4n Copy link Member ara4n commented Oct 29, 2020 * edited oops, sorry for missing the updates on this. We just did the the annual accounts for the Matrix.org Foundation and should be able to publish them shortly. To quickly answer the questions: The donated funds have ended up being used to pay for the hosting of the matrix.org website + homeserver; we haven't distributed any of them for development. Instead the Foundation has chartered New Vector (trading these days as Element) to run the infrastructure for the project, who do so for free (but under the governance of the Foundation's requirements). All development for Matrix itself is donated by the respective contributors, who retain copyright (apart from New Vector, who unilaterally assign their contributions to the Foundation, where they are held in asset lock by the Foundation). Finally, we're holding (hodling?) onto the cryptocurrency for a rainy day. 2 PabloCastellano and ShadowJonathan reacted with rocket emoji 3 jdreichmann, aWeinzierl, and ShadowJonathan reacted with eyes emoji All reactions * 2 reactions * 3 reactions Sorry, something went wrong. @damnms Copy link damnms commented Jan 21, 2021 any news on that where this report has been published? 3 aWeinzierl, alohapersona, and sheecegardezi reacted with thumbs up emoji All reactions * 3 reactions Sorry, something went wrong. @alohapersona Copy link Author alohapersona commented Jan 25, 2021 According to https:// find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/11648710, accounts for The Matrix.org Foundation C.I.C. are overdue since Oct 29. That's close to three months. According to https://www.gov.uk/ annual-accounts/penalties-for-late-filing, filing 3-6 months after deadline will cause a penalty of PS750. What's going wrong here? Do you need any help? @ara4n I think this needs immediate action so this gets resolved before we reach the 3 months after deadline date (Jan 29). 28 darrenmeehan, nhh, pojntfx, jpmonette, metryy, bezmuth, artob, mustermeiszer, tomasz-buchta, cythrauL, and 18 more reacted with eyes emoji All reactions * 28 reactions Sorry, something went wrong. @phoe Copy link phoe commented Jan 25, 2021 Answered on Hacker News at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id= 25902720 Hi folks - we submitted The Matrix.org Foundation accounts via our accountants to UK Companies House several months ago. It's unclear why they're not showing on record; we initially understood it to be due to Covid delays, but we're now chasing the accountants to out find the specifics. If there turn out to be any fines due to late filing, these would not come out of donations, but whoever's fault it actually is for the delay (i.e. the accountants). Sorry for the drama, but this is not reason for panic. (Separately we need to give a summary of the accounts for https:/ /matrix.org/foundation, which we are indeed running late on: it's been hard to prioritise it when we're on fire trying to improve Matrix's mass-market usability, given stuff like https:// news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25812536). 10 jdorfman, corentinbettiol, clschnei, Davorak, RobertAKARobin, runiq, alohapersona, zackkatz, kevincox, and toymil reacted with thumbs up emoji All reactions * 10 reactions Sorry, something went wrong. @ara4n Copy link Member ara4n commented Jan 25, 2021 image ...is the response we got from our accountants when we chased them last. We're chasing them again now to find out what is going on. 18 t3chguy, theastrowolfe, corentinbettiol, robin-sf, alohapersona, mgajda, rscnt, clschnei, Davorak, hjek, and 8 more reacted with thumbs up emoji All reactions * 18 reactions Sorry, something went wrong. @ara4n Copy link Member ara4n commented Jan 25, 2021 Here's another update, from a few weeks before the above: image We also got an update on Dec 15th saying they were still working on it. We're waiting for a response from today's inquiry. All reactions Sorry, something went wrong. @42lux Copy link 42lux commented Jan 25, 2021 Sounds a bit strange, just to be sure get something resembling a receipt from your accounts otherwise you are in high waters. All reactions Sorry, something went wrong. @ara4n Copy link Member ara4n commented Jan 25, 2021 As the previous mail says, we have a receipt to prove submission to Companies House. All reactions Sorry, something went wrong. @ara4n Copy link Member ara4n commented Jan 26, 2021 The update from Companies House (via our accountants) is as follows: image [?] 1 akuckartz reacted with heart emoji 2 akuckartz and ShadowJonathan reacted with eyes emoji All reactions * [?] 1 reaction * 2 reactions Sorry, something went wrong. @ara4n Copy link Member ara4n commented Jan 27, 2021 And another update today. In case anyone is interested in the reason why this is blocked on physical paperwork: it is due to the fact the organisation is a community interest company. CIC's have to complete a CIC34 form, these forms have to be filed alongside the accounts which has to be done via postal methods with a cheque for payment. There is no online method at the moment to file CIC34 forms. Companies house, are from what I've heard, very particular about the CIC34 forms. All reactions Sorry, something went wrong. @damnms Copy link damnms commented Feb 25, 2021 any news on that or some kind of roadmap? All reactions Sorry, something went wrong. @damnms Copy link damnms commented May 10, 2021 still no news? All reactions Sorry, something went wrong. @alohapersona Copy link Author alohapersona commented May 30, 2021 Hi @ara4n, I see the accounts were published on https:// find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/11648710/ filing-history Unfortunately, this account statement raises more questions. 1. In the year ending October 31, 2019, there was a total turnover of PS27,475 and administrative expenses of PS18,013, resulting in a total profit of PS9,462. Does that mean that 65% of donations go into administrative expenses? I understand there is a certain amount of administrative expenses in the first year for setting up the foundation, but this still seems like a high percentage to me. 2. The net assets as at October 31, 2019 is just PS9,462. The Bitcoin address 1LxowEgsquZ3UPZ68wHf8v2MDZw82dVmAE had a balance of about 3.5 BTC at that time, which according to CoinMarketCap were worth about PS7000 each at that time, resulting in total Bitcoin assets of about PS24,500. The Ethereum address 0xA5f9a4f9E024F6D727f7afdA9257e22329A97485 had a balance of about 138.5 ETH at that time, which according to CoinMarketCap were worth about PS142 at that time, resulting in total Ethereum assets of about PS20,000. I'm not an expert on accounting crypto currencies, but how can the net assets on your account be so much lower than the assets on public ledgers? Maybe it's time to publish a proper financial report to clarify these and other questions? Thanks 2 langfingaz and hiiamboris reacted with thumbs up emoji All reactions * 2 reactions Sorry, something went wrong. @ara4n Copy link Member ara4n commented Jun 21, 2021 Sorry for missing this (and thanks @richvdh for pointing out that i'd been missing the notifs). I've asked the accountants to given a more detailed explanation the PS for the 2018-2019 period. At a high level, my understanding is that the reported PSs are low because money has been stacking up in various buffers (e.g. bitcoin & ETH addresses, patreon/paypal) - but I'm also not an expert on accounting crypto currencies. It's also been very hard to get a bank account for the foundation (apparently "we receive donations from the internet" triggers a lot of AML and KYC flags), which significantly complicates accounting given the funds end up buffering like this. 2 ptman and ShadowJonathan reacted with thumbs up emoji 1 ShadowJonathan reacted with eyes emoji All reactions * 2 reactions * 1 reaction Sorry, something went wrong. @alohapersona Copy link Author alohapersona commented Dec 18, 2021 * edited @ara4n Looks like accounts (and confirmation statement) are overdue again: https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/ 11648710 Will we get a report independent of the official reports that also includes donations and crypto funds in buffers that didn't make it into the official reports and also might be a little more recent? Did Matrix.org Foundation hire a full time developer as the $5000 on Patreon was reached about a year ago? Is this still planned to happen? Considering the exploded cryptocurrency prices and increased monthly donation amount on Patreon, the total value of donations/sponsoring Matrix.org Foundation received should be more than $1 Mio USD by now ($700k-$1.3M in ETH, $170k in BTC, $170k-$230k on Patreon), so I think this deserves some more attention. EDIT: Just a reminder that if accounts and statements are not made correctly, Matrix.org Foundation is at risk of being struck of the register and dissolved. In that case, all foundation funds (that is, as shown above, more than $1M USD of user donations) will belong to the Crown (UK is fun). 2 hiiamboris and sheecegardezi reacted with thumbs up emoji 2 Abdull and langfingaz reacted with eyes emoji All reactions * 2 reactions * 2 reactions Sorry, something went wrong. @ara4n Copy link Member ara4n commented Dec 20, 2021 Thanks for flagging - chasing with the accountants again. All reactions Sorry, something went wrong. @ara4n Copy link Member ara4n commented Dec 20, 2021 * edited Looks like the authorisation letter from HMRC for approval to publish the filed accounts had been mislaid, but is now unblocked. 1 alohapersona reacted with thumbs up emoji All reactions * 1 reaction Sorry, something went wrong. @ara4n Copy link Member ara4n commented Jan 15, 2022 (For the record, we are still chasing this) All reactions Sorry, something went wrong. @ara4n Copy link Member ara4n commented Feb 4, 2022 (the missing auth letter got found and filed and accts are up-to-date again). All reactions Sorry, something went wrong. @richvdh richvdh transferred this issue from matrix-org/ matrix-spec-proposals Mar 1, 2022 @richvdh richvdh removed the question Further information is requested label Mar 2, 2022 @alohapersona Copy link Author alohapersona commented Dec 27, 2022 * edited Hello there. It's me again. One year has passed and I'm still not aware of any publication of financial situation reports of The Matrix.org Foundation beyond what is required to be filed by law. At the same time, The Matrix.org Foundation is asking the public for donations and membership fees, with membership tiers of up to 500kPS. Without providing financial reports, it's impossible for the wider community to evaluate the needs of The Matrix.org Foundation and therefor attest if such requests for additional funding are justified. Given that most of The Matrix.org Foundation's activities according to their rules outlined in MSC1779 - except for sub-contracting the hosting of matrix.org home server - are mostly organisational, with some of them executed by volunteers (Spec Core Team, Code Core Team) that are not paid by The Matrix.org Foundation as per its rules, it's not obvious to me how The Matrix.org Foundation envisions to spend those additional donations. And again, due to lack of reporting, the community does not even know how donations have been spent in the past. Please make the extra effort of providing some transparency here, both for spendings of the last year(s) and the plan for spending of future donations. The official accounts raise more questions than they provide answers (for example: why is there more than 100kPS owing in from New Vector Limited?). Thanks. 9 MTRNord, davidmehren, Mikaela, langfingaz, aWeinzierl, progval, richvdh, psrpinto, and zamazan4ik reacted with thumbs up emoji [?] 3 hiiamboris, psrpinto, and Sazu-bit reacted with heart emoji All reactions * 9 reactions * [?] 3 reactions Sorry, something went wrong. @ara4n Copy link Member ara4n commented Jan 29, 2023 I've tried to enumerate the functions of the Foundation in the set of bullet points at the beginning of https://matrix.org/blog/2022/12/25/ the-matrix-holiday-update-2022, and spell out the financial situation. Currently the vast majority of the cost of this (~95%) is borne by Element (the trading name for New Vector Ltd, the company set up by the Matrix core team to try to fund Matrix development), where manpower is donated to the Foundation (and so doesn't show up on the books). The way it works is that all IP that Element employees commit to https://github.com/matrix-org has its copyright assigned unilaterally to the Foundation in an asset lock. You can see the amount of work that is, and estimate the donated costs, via something like Cauldron.io: https://cauldron.io/project/3729. Historically we have had very little manpower on the financial side to do reporting beyond the legal minimum; we've been spending our $ on building Matrix rather than hiring non-profit finance people. However, as part of operationalising the Foundation to gather and distribute larger donations (as per https://matrix.org/blog/2022/12/ 01/funding-matrix-via-the-matrix-org-foundation) we're addressing this: we are trying to hire both a Executive Director for the Foundation to be employed by the Foundation and be responsible for this independently from Element - and put all the legal & financial frameworks in place to handle the large amounts of $ involved. Element is also donating non-profit finance manpower to plug the gap until an Executive Director is in place. Hope this provides a bit more clarity; we'll update here as things progress further. [?] 1 alohapersona reacted with heart emoji All reactions * [?] 1 reaction Sorry, something went wrong. @alohapersona Copy link Author alohapersona commented Jan 29, 2023 Hi @ara4n. Thanks a lot for your reply. I've tried to enumerate the functions of the Foundation in the set of bullet points at the beginning of https://matrix.org/blog/ 2022/12/25/the-matrix-holiday-update-2022 Can you please outline how the bullet points described match the Functions of the Foundation as of MSC1779? To me it seems a lot of the items listed are not really in scope of the work of the Matrix Foundation. Currently the vast majority of the cost of this (~95%) is borne by Element (the trading name for New Vector Ltd, the company set up by the Matrix core team to try to fund Matrix development), where manpower is donated to the Foundation (and so doesn't show up on the books). I understand that Element is donating large amounts of non-monetary assets to the Foundation. For some of these donations, the transfer is supposed to happen as per MSC1779, for others this seems to not be the case. In any case, those donations are obviously very generous and highly appreciated. The way I read your messages, it sounds as if the idea is to have the work currently done by Element and then donated to Matrix Foundation be done by the Matrix Foundation in the future (short term probably by paying Element), which seems to not be covered by MSC1779. It also significantly changes the position of Matrix Foundation from a standards organisation (like IETF or W3C) with some additional tasks (like hosting the matrix.org home server and ensuring the existence of a reference implementation). Would you please explain as to why this approach was chosen rather than * having the Matrix Foundation continue to act as a mostly standards organisation * put new developments under copyright of Element (instead of Matrix Foundation) which doesn't make a practical difference for users and developers as long as the license remains the Apache License. * allow users to donate to Element to support the development of libraries, SDKs and the element client I think such an approach would be much more compatible with MSC1779 and won't persistently raise questions about who to receive how much money from the Matrix Foundation for their developments (e.g. would the independent libQuotient developers be receiving the same funding as the element-hired developers of matrix-js-sdk?). Hope this provides a bit more clarity Thanks, It does give some idea on the plans for the future of the Matrix Foundation. However it doesn't really give any insights into previous years and current financials of the Matrix Foundation. Even very small documentation would already be very much appreciated. Could be as easy as: Account balance at beginning of fiscal year: XXX PS Income from donations: + XXX PS Income from sponsorships: + XXX PS Other income: + XXX PS Expenses for hosting matrix.org: - XXX PS Expenses for promotion: - XXX PS Expenses for ensuring existence of reference - XXX PS implementations: Expenses for administration and organisation: - XXX PS Other expenses: - XXX PS Asset re-evaluation (for crypto): +/- XXX PS Account balance at end of fiscal year: XXX PS Most of this should probably be in easy reach as they'd likely be needed to create the accounting report legally required. 6 hiiamboris, MTRNord, jvoisin, bkil, davidmehren, and zamazan4ik reacted with thumbs up emoji All reactions * 6 reactions Sorry, something went wrong. @MTRNord Copy link Contributor MTRNord commented Jan 29, 2023 put new developments under copyright of Element (instead of Matrix Foundation) which doesn't make a practical difference for users and developers as long as the license remains the Apache License. While I agree with the rest of you comment I object with this part. As a developer this makes a major difference. Element is a for profit company and while I trust them that trust not only may change but also the motives of element could change at some point which endangers there reference implementations. Having them legally in the non profit foundation is imho safer than having it in element even if element is the one doing a majority of work on it currently. This mostly boils down to scenarios like elasticsearch where suddenly for profit reasons the license got changed. The foundation wouldn't have a reason to do that therefor it is somewhat more secure if the code is in their hands imho. Obviously there is always a chance that something changes about this assumption. But I would be happy if it stays at the foundation since that makes the reference implementations separate from the for profit oriented companies. 1 joshsimmons reacted with thumbs up emoji All reactions * 1 reaction Sorry, something went wrong. @alohapersona Copy link Author alohapersona commented Jan 29, 2023 * edited Having them legally in the non profit foundation is imho safer than having it in element even if element is the one doing a majority of work on it currently. Let me explain my thinking here: * As soon as Element publishes code under the terms of the Apache License, everyone can use it under these terms for eternity (Apache License is irrevocable, perpetual and sublicensable). Publication under the copyright of Matrix Foundation makes little difference (ignoring the name in the copyright notice). * Element can, at any point, change the license of their newly produced code. If they published under Matrix Foundation, they first need to fork the code from Matrix Foundation. As Apache License is a permissive, non-copyleft license, Element can fork code from Matrix Foundation with virtually no restrictions. Or to phrase it differently: We're at the mercy of Element for them continuing to publish their code under Apache License. Whether that happens under the name of Matrix Foundation or Element doesn't really change anything about this. All reactions Sorry, something went wrong. @alohapersona Copy link Author alohapersona commented Aug 10, 2023 * edited Hello. It's me again. The latest accounts statement as required by law, was published a few days ago. * According to the statement, the book value of cryptocurrency assets did not change between Oct 31, 2021 and Oct 31, 2022. This is questionable, to say it mild, given that there have been incoming cryptocurrency transactions publicly visible on the respective published blockchain addresses of The Matrix.org Foundation. * According to the statement, there now are PS270k cash at bank or in hand. Does that mean that the issue of not having bank account has been resolved and the money from Patreon was paid out? * The PS116k owing from New Vector is now no longer in the book. Did New Vector pay PS116k to The Matrix.org Foundation, and if so, for what reason? * There now is a credit of PS114k owed to New Vector within a year (that is, before Oct 31) in the book. What is behind this amount? Did New Vector bill any services to The Matrix.org Foundation and if so, can you provide more details on this? I also noticed that in March 2023, The Matrix.org Foundation moved about 25%, totaling about PS70k of its cryptocurrency assets (seemingly to Kraken). What is the reason for this transfer, given that it was previously said that the foundation would be holding those for rainy days and (last we know) the foundation has more than PS100k on the bank? Again, @ara4n, I think it would be very beneficial to the foundation if it was publishing any reports, even if as simple as what I suggested above. It will make people understand what donations are being used for and thereby likely will boost the donations the foundation receives. 1 CheekeyMonkey reacted with thumbs up emoji 4 davidmehren, jvoisin, jfowl, and LukasSkywalker reacted with confused emoji 1 hiiamboris reacted with rocket emoji 3 davidmehren, FireyFly, and t-var-s reacted with eyes emoji All reactions * 1 reaction * 4 reactions * 1 reaction * 3 reactions Sorry, something went wrong. @alohapersona Copy link Author alohapersona commented Nov 19, 2023 Hello. It's me again. * Turns out Oct 31 has passed by. As I wrote last time, The Matrix.org Foundation for some reason owed New Vector Ltd. PS114k till that date. Did The Matrix.org Foundation pay that amount to New Vector Ltd, and if so, what was the service billed by New Vector to Matrix.org Foundation that entitled them to such payment? * On Nov 2, another 0.72 BTC (~25k USD) and 35.2 ETH (~70k USD) were moved from the foundation's cryptocurrency wallets to Kraken. Again, what is the reason for this transfer, given that it was previously said that the foundation would be holding those for rainy days and (last we know) the foundation has more than PS100k on the bank? * With the move to Donorbox there is now even less transparency on the financials of The Matrix.org Foundation, as incoming donations are not visible to the public there (which was possible with cryptocurrencies, LiberayPay and Patreon before). Do you plan to provide public insights (preferably with live data) to the Donorbox donation amounts? Not-so-fun note for @MTRNord: Seems like putting Synapse and Dendrite under Apache License 2.0 in name of The Matrix.org Foundation has not stopped or hindered New Vector Ltd. in any way to change license and ownership of those projects. Sadly proves me right that it is really not a big thing. @ara4n and @joshsimmons (who I guess is now responsible for this): This thread has multiple serious unanswered questions and partially conflicting statements. The way The Matrix.org Foundation publicly handles its financial responsibilities as a mostly donation-funded organisation seem a huge risk to the whole Matrix protocol to me - even more with further things being moved to the for-profit New Vector Ltd. Looking forward to your replies. 13 toymil, jvoisin, progval, xfnw, quantumpacket, navanchauhan, carwyn, Noxx9001, JLuc, utf-4096, and 3 more reacted with confused emoji 1 hiiamboris reacted with rocket emoji All reactions * 13 reactions * 1 reaction Sorry, something went wrong. @quantumpacket Copy link quantumpacket commented Nov 19, 2023 With the move to Donorbox there is now even less transparency on the financials of The Matrix.org Foundation, as incoming donations are not visible to the public there (which was possible with cryptocurrencies, LiberayPay and Patreon before). At this point I would assume this was done with the intention of reduction in transparency. 2 ara4n and MTRNord reacted with thumbs down emoji All reactions * 2 reactions Sorry, something went wrong. @joshsimmons Copy link Member joshsimmons commented Nov 19, 2023 Hi @alohapersona, thanks for the tag and for being a persistent advocate for transparency. Transparency is something we should expect from any open source foundation, and I am committed to delivering on that as the Foundation's first Managing Director. That said, it is the weekend :-) You'll hear more from me tomorrow. 1 voxpelli reacted with thumbs up emoji 1 vordenken reacted with eyes emoji All reactions * 1 reaction * 1 reaction Sorry, something went wrong. @alohapersona Copy link Author alohapersona commented Nov 19, 2023 Hi @joshsimmons. Thanks for the swift comment. Also be certain that I recognize that for any of this, you can't be blamed as you just took over responsibilities and probably didn't even know exactly what you are signing up for at the time. All reactions Sorry, something went wrong. @joshsimmons Copy link Member joshsimmons commented Nov 19, 2023 Thanks for your understanding, @alohapersona. As I'm now spending part of my weekend monitoring a pile on over on the other website, I'll take the opportunity to cross-post what I've said there: I get that we're operating in a low trust environment, and you don't yet have any reason to trust me. I will say this: I'm not here to carry water for past performance. I am here to build the foundation into the organization the community deserves, and I have a track record when it comes to making organizations more responsive to the communities they serve. Not only will I respond to the questions and concerns, I am actually working on systemic solutions that will provide transparency as a matter of course. Of course, these are just words for now. Judge me by my actions in the days and months ahead. Know that I do aim to earn your trust as an individual and as an organization, as well as to build the foundation into the kind of organization that, by merit of its rules, processes, and community representation in governance, doesn't require us to be trusting in the first place. More to say tomorrow! [?] 9 agustif, erlend-sh, andrew, beaugunderson, baransu, t-var-s, greggh, heyvito, and tiredofit reacted with heart emoji All reactions * [?] 9 reactions Sorry, something went wrong. Sign up for free to join this conversation on GitHub. Already have an account? Sign in to comment Assignees No one assigned Labels meta Something that is not a spec change/request and is not related to the build tools Projects None yet Milestone No milestone Development No branches or pull requests 10 participants @joshsimmons @turt2live @ara4n @MTRNord @richvdh @42lux @quantumpacket @phoe @damnms @alohapersona Footer (c) 2023 GitHub, Inc. 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