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I am exhausted by the effort, and I do not think that there is any further hope that I can get sufficient agreement among the different players to have any hope of coming to a conclusion. On the contrary, agreement is further away than ever, and people's views are more and more entrenched. I was planning to wait until the 21st to announce this, but I don't think there's any further point in waiting. It will be up to the Steering Committee to find someone to replace me or to officially abandon the project. I have no recommendations at this time. Consequently, I will not be presenting anything at ICFP this year. Taylan Kammer's profile photo Taylan Kammer unread, Aug 15, 2023, 12:45:29 PM (2 days ago) Aug 15 Reply to author Sign in to reply to author Forward Sign in to forward Delete You do not have permission to delete messages in this group Copy link Report message as abuse Sign in to report message as abuse Show original message Either email addresses are anonymous for this group or you need the view member email addresses permission to view the original message to scheme-re...@googlegroups.com, John Cowan, scheme-re...@googlegroups.com Dear John, Thank you for all your service over the years! Regardless of any disagreements, it was always a pleasure to communicate with you. I believe you've always done a stellar job being friendly and patient with everyone, trying to reconcile disagreements. When ever that didn't work, it was certainly not your fault; I hope everyone can at least agree on that. :-) -- Taylan Arthur A. Gleckler's profile photo Arthur A. Gleckler unread, Aug 15, 2023, 1:01:22 PM (2 days ago) Aug 15 Reply to author Sign in to reply to author Forward Sign in to forward Delete You do not have permission to delete messages in this group Copy link Report message as abuse Sign in to report message as abuse Show original message Either email addresses are anonymous for this group or you need the view member email addresses permission to view the original message to scheme-re...@googlegroups.com Thank you, John, for your Herculean efforts during well over ten years. It has been a great pleasure to be part of the process that you have so ably led. Your vast knowledge of the topics of Scheme standardization, Scheme history, the details of various implementations; your prodigious output of SRFIs and other proposals; the friendly, open, and fair manner in which you have run the process; and the improvements in our collective vocabulary just from reading your messages have all been impressive to behold. Per Bothner's profile photo Per Bothner unread, Aug 15, 2023, 1:19:19 PM (2 days ago) Aug 15 Reply to author Sign in to reply to author Forward Sign in to forward Delete You do not have permission to delete messages in this group Copy link Report message as abuse Sign in to report message as abuse Show original message Either email addresses are anonymous for this group or you need the view member email addresses permission to view the original message to scheme-re...@googlegroups.com On 8/15/23 10:01, Arthur A. Gleckler wrote: > Thank you, John, for your Herculean efforts during well over ten years. It has been a great pleasure to be part of the process that you have so ably led. Your vast knowledge of the topics of Scheme standardization, Scheme history, the details of various implementations; your prodigious output of SRFIs and other proposals; the friendly, open, and fair manner in which you have run the process; and the improvements in our collective vocabulary just from reading your messages have all been impressive to behold. I spite of my expressed concerns about R7RS-large, I fully agree with what Arthur has written above. I feel for your disappointment of giving up on something you have put so much effort in: It was a noble effort, and we have all learned a lot. If nothing else, you can take well-deserved satisfaction in shepherding R7RS-small. Thank you. -- --Per Bothner p...@bothner.com http://per.bothner.com/ Jason Hemann's profile photo Jason Hemann unread, Aug 15, 2023, 2:23:26 PM (2 days ago) Aug 15 Reply to author Sign in to reply to author Forward Sign in to forward Delete You do not have permission to delete messages in this group Copy link Report message as abuse Sign in to report message as abuse Show original message Either email addresses are anonymous for this group or you need the view member email addresses permission to view the original message to scheme-re...@googlegroups.com Dear John, You've given a huge amount of time and effort to the scheme community, and we are the better for it. I've enjoyed following these efforts in part because of the open, earnest, and convivial manner that you've brought to this committee over the years; "Thank you for your service" is supremely apt. Best, Jason Hemann -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "scheme-reports-wg2" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to scheme-reports-...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https:// groups.google.com/d/msgid/scheme-reports-wg2/ 1f0d2162-c59f-96f0-de58-6ed390d8396c%40bothner.com. -- JBH Jay Freeman's profile photo Jay Freeman unread, Aug 15, 2023, 2:25:56 PM (2 days ago) Aug 15 Reply to author Sign in to reply to author Forward Sign in to forward Delete You do not have permission to delete messages in this group Copy link Report message as abuse Sign in to report message as abuse Show original message Either email addresses are anonymous for this group or you need the view member email addresses permission to view the original message to scheme-re...@googlegroups.com, scheme-re...@googlegroups.com John: A valiant effort, I am sure, and thanks for your efforts and for your occasional good advice to me about Wraith Scheme (some of which I even took). As an experienced cat-owner, I can imagine what you must have gone through trying to get a substantial herd of critters as ornery as them or me to settle down ... -- Jay Reynolds Freeman --------------------- Jay_Reynol...@mac.com http://JayReynoldsFreeman.com (personal web site) On Aug 15, 2023, at 5:06 AM, John Cowan wrote: This is my resignation letter as chair of the R7RS-large project. [...] Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide's profile photo Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide unread, Aug 15, 2023, 3:26:12 PM (2 days ago) Aug 15 Reply to author Sign in to reply to author Forward Sign in to forward Delete You do not have permission to delete messages in this group Copy link Report message as abuse Sign in to report message as abuse Show original message Either email addresses are anonymous for this group or you need the view member email addresses permission to view the original message to scheme-re...@googlegroups.com Interacting with you (or just reading how you interacted with others) was always a pleasure and I have the highest respect for your work, John. I like the vision of R7RS-large a lot and I'm sorry that I could not support you better. Thank you for being there and making a difference, and thank you for your awesome work. The best of wishes for your future projects, Arne -- Unpolitisch sein heisst politisch sein, ohne es zu merken. draketo.de signature.asc Lassi Kortela's profile photo Lassi Kortela unread, Aug 15, 2023, 3:30:21 PM (2 days ago) Aug 15 Reply to author Sign in to reply to author Forward Sign in to forward Delete Copy link Report message as abuse Sign in to report message as abuse Show original message Either email addresses are anonymous for this group or you need the view member email addresses permission to view the original message to scheme-re...@googlegroups.com, Per Bothner >> Thank you, John, for your Herculean efforts during well over ten >> years. It has been a great pleasure to be part of the process that >> you have so ably led. Your vast knowledge of the topics of Scheme >> standardization, Scheme history, the details of various >> implementations; your prodigious output of SRFIs and other proposals; >> the friendly, open, and fair manner in which you have run the process; >> and the improvements in our collective vocabulary just from reading >> your messages have all been impressive to behold. > I spite of my expressed concerns about R7RS-large, I fully agree with > what Arthur has written above. > I feel for your disappointment of giving up on something you have put so > much effort in: > It was a noble effort, and we have all learned a lot. If nothing else, > you can take well-deserved satisfaction in shepherding R7RS-small. > Thank you. Agreed on all counts. When I came on the scene the default attitude among schemers was to have endless turf wars about which implementation is 15% sparklier than another. John's example in particular stood out like a lighthouse above these rough seas. Instead of infighting, you have always been a tireless champion of improving the whole. That's what it's all about. At the end of the day, what's of value to humanity is a better overall language with less friction and you have been working on exactly that. Thank you in particular for giving new generations of schemers a chance at a point when many old timers have given up hope that things will ever improve. We will try our best to continue on the path you have laid, and look forward to your participation should you find the time and energy to make more contributions. Your massive knowledge base covering any number of topics with precise recall has been an invaluable help on more occasions than I can count. I apologize for the unpleasant exchanges on R7RS-large. I would never judge a project so harshly if it were not laying claim to the name of Scheme. I am motivated by a sincere worry that the R6/R7 split will turn into an R7/R8 split, and have tried my best to exhaust the polite avenues for expressing that concern. I agree that a huge library is a desirable thing and would be happy to see that goal come about through a process fit for the purpose. Vincent Manis's profile photo Vincent Manis unread, Aug 15, 2023, 4:47:40 PM (2 days ago) Aug 15 Reply to author Sign in to reply to author Forward Sign in to forward Delete You do not have permission to delete messages in this group Copy link Report message as abuse Sign in to report message as abuse Show original message Either email addresses are anonymous for this group or you need the view member email addresses permission to view the original message to scheme-reports-wg2 I'm a bit late to this conversation. First, I definitely appreciate all John's efforts as Chair; I recognize how difficult it must have been, and how wearing all of this must have been on him. Second, regardless of our progress so far, I always find myself turning to John's emails for a spot of wisdom, and I thank him greatly for all his insights. I do hope that will continue. I guess the status of WG2 is up in the air right now, and that it is up to the Steering Committee to decide what to do. In the event that they don't decide to wind the working group up, I hope that they give it some direction, perhaps by asking for a detailed plan of work to be produced within a set time after agreeing to continue the WG and naming a new Chair. I would hope that, with some degree of focus demanded of us, we can produce something worthwhile. -- vincent Alex Shinn's profile photo Alex Shinn unread, Aug 16, 2023, 3:59:20 PM (yesterday) Aug 16 Reply to author Sign in to reply to author Forward Sign in to forward Delete You do not have permission to delete messages in this group Copy link Report message as abuse Sign in to report message as abuse Show original message Either email addresses are anonymous for this group or you need the view member email addresses permission to view the original message to scheme-re...@googlegroups.com, scheme-re...@googlegroups.com Thank you John, for all your hard work over the years, both in WG1 and WG2. It was a pleasure to serve with you, and Scheme is a better and richer language because of your efforts. I sympathize with your frustrations, and only wish I had had the time myself to contribute more. 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