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Especially after a good interview. 35 * 14 comments "We have decided to move forward with another candidate for this position and we thank you for your application" 61 * 29 comments Isn't this crazy? 2482 * 605 comments Rejected because I won't give recruiter my personal email Welcome to Reddit, the front page of the internet. Become a Redditor and join one of thousands of communities. x 74 75 76 Canonical: the recruitment process really is that long/complex/you want how much info about high school?! (self.recruitinghell) submitted 2 days ago * by FloraMacDonald In case you're wondering how Canonical's infamous recruitment process plays out, here's a step-by-step account of what I went through for a non-technical role. I didn't have any immediate need to land a new job, which is part of the reason why I decided to stick with it to see how it worked. (Had I succeeded, I would have been onboarded 4-5 months after I'd sent in my CV.) tl;dr It took 81 days, a CV, a cover letter, an application form, a 22-question written interview, two standardised tests, and four (4) in-person interviews. And that wasn't even close to the entire recruitment process! Day 0: I read about this job and I was SO EXCITED because it ticked all my boxes. I literally got home from work and applied. I submitted my CV and answered the questions in their application form. Some of them asked about high school. Canonical - or, should we say, Mark Shuttleworth, the self-appointed benevolent dictator for life - genuinely believes that knowing what you did in high school will give useful information about whether they should hire you. They justify this all over the place. Day 25: Automated email from a person stating they were my hiring lead. This email included the written interview - 22 questions about everything from 'What would you most want to change about Canonical?' (sure, let me just critizicize the company I am trying to work for) to multiple questions about high school. Even if you are in a country where it isn't called high school, or if you were homeschooled, or were in a chaotic foster care situation and moved schools multiple times, or if you dropped out and later got a GED (or didn't). They don't care if you have to drag up actual traumas from decades ago - you WILL tell them about high school. I suspect most of the value here is that they use it as a winnowing process, given that they have tens of thousands of applicants every month. If you're not willing to jump through this hoop, that's one less person they have to consider. I didn't keep notes from my first interview and that person may have referred to my written interview, but no one else did, even though I had some brilliant answers (the way I won a major post-college scholarship was a masterpiece of An Example Of A Time Where I Showed Initiative, thanks very much). Here it is: Context Outline your thoughts on the mission of Canonical. What is it about the company's purpose and goals which is most appealing to you? What do you see as risky or unappealing? Why do you most want to work for Canonical? What would you most want to change about Canonical? What gets you most excited about this role? What support would you need from Canonical to be successful Experience Please outline your most relevant experience for this role. What are the key attributes of an outstanding executive assistant? Please describe a situation where you had to hold firm on a difficult issue. What is different about the role of Executive Assistant in a remote-first business? Describe any experience you have working across many time zones. Describe improvements you have made to a process in previous roles. How do you remain calm in a high-stress, fast-paced environment? What has been the highlight of your career so far, and why? Education We consider academic results in high school and university for all roles, regardless of seniority or department. To enjoy a long and varied career at Canonical, one would need to tackle problems that cannot be defined today! From engineering to marketing to operations and sales, we intensely value colleagues who are able to puzzle through difficult problems and find the optimal path forward. How did you rank in your high school, in your final year in maths and hard sciences? Which was your strongest? How did you rank in your high school, in your final year in languages and the arts? Which was your strongest? Please state your high school graduation results or university entrance results, along with the system used, and how to understand those. For example, in the US, you might give your SAT or ACT scores. In Germany, you might give your scores 1-5. What sort of high school student were you? Outside of class, what were your interests and hobbies? What would your high school peers remember you for, if we asked them? Which university and degree did you choose? What other universities did you consider, and why did you select that one? At university, did you do particularly well in an area of your degree? Overall, what was your degree result and how did that reflect on your ability? In high school and university, what did you achieve that was exceptional? What leadership roles did you take on during your education? Day 29: Submitted the written interview. Day 30: Completed the Thomas GIA test. This is a standardised test which makes you rotate shapes in a box, work out basic logic problems, and do things with words and numbers. I hate standardised tests, because all they reveal is how good you are at taking standardised tests (this is what I mentioned in the 'tell us what you'd change' section of the written interview) and no, they are not unbiased. I did as many practice tests as I could to make sure I aced it, and according to the Thomas International report I got afterwards, I scored well in all five areas. They didn't give me my actual scores but I was 'above average', and they gave advice on how these results would affect my working relationships. For all five areas, the advice they gave me was basically, 'when you're talking to your wooden-headed co-workers, dumb it down for the proles, Brainiac.' Day 32: I was invited for an interview. Or rather, three interviews - two with people on the team I was applying to, one on a different team. One hour each. They don't compare notes, so all of their opinions are allegedly unbiased, but a) this means you get asked the same/similar questions, which is boring for me and a waste of time for them, and b) exactly how unbiased is it when every person I interviewed with was exactly my demographic? (White, female, American /western European. The fifth interview, had I reached it, would have been in that demographic too. My hiring lead was a woman of colour, but my only non-automated contact with her was one brief response to an email I sent her early in the process.) Day 35: Automated email from Mark Shuttleworth which started, 'Given that you are now starting the final stage interview to join our team', even though I was nowhere near the final stage interviews. Mark's icon is a green dragon, which indicated that if I made it through this interminable quest, he would be the final boss fight. Someone might want to fix the typos in this email. Day 46: Peer interview 1. Pretty chill. She said she was the newest member of the team. Day 51: Cross-team interview. Since this was with someone in the travel department (there was a LOT of travel with this job), I assumed she would ask me about my extensive travel experience...but no, it was all boring rote competency stuff ('tell me about a time you solved a problem'). The final question was the 'fun' one - what was I watching on my favourite streaming service? I don't have one, thanks. Seriously, though, your entire career is in travel, and this job is a lot about travel (both doing it and organising it), and I have travelled to one of the most dangerous places on earth multiple times, as I mentioned in my cover letter, and you're not going to ask me a single question about that? Day 52: Peer interview 2. Geniunely one of the most fun interviews I've ever had. She told me outright that she was putting me forward as a good prospect, calling me an Ubuntu fangirl (aw, shucks), telling me I'd fit in and it was great that I was genuinely interested in the product and open source and would fit in with their software engineers. Day 65: Received an invitation to book my interview with the Talent team - they call them Talent Scientists (?! - even one of my interviewers thought that was a dumb name) - and do the most ridiculous standardised test ever, the Thomas PPA, where you pick words that are most and least like you, and then they calculate your actual personality from the words you don't choose, or something. I pretended I was the best example of my role and chose the words that described that persona. No one ever referred to either of these standardised tests, by the way. The interview booking email included the following line about scheduling this interview: 'We'd appreciate it if you pick the earliest time available.' You what? You've been stringing me along for over two months, and you're instructing me not to dawdle? At some point around this time, I realised the main problem with this ridiculously drawn-out interview process was that I didn't care anymore. I was so excited when I applied, and I lost every bit of that along the way. All I was doing was jumping through their hoops and answering the same types of questions. No one actually wanted to talk to me about any of the great things I'd told them about in my written interview, or even the interesting stuff I'd done in my most recent jobs, even when it was highly relevant for this job. Day 78: Interview with the Talent 'Scientist'. (Another white western woman.) This interview was so dry and robotic. 30 minutes of going backwards through my CV, with her asking the same rote questions about each job. No, I don't know what the guy who hired me ad hoc for a few months to write some grant applications would have said my weaknesses were, but dammit she insisted I had to come up with something. 20 minutes of the same competency-based questions hurled at me for the three previous interviews. I clearly got dinged for not showing enough initiative in one of my examples and for only having done a particular aspect of my role for 12 people (when for this job I'd have needed to do it for hundreds of people). There was all of 10 minutes to actually discuss working conditions at the company. This was my fourth interview, and only now were things like 'we don't provide you with a laptop' coming up. (And you have to install Ubuntu on it - which, sure, eat your own dog food, but if you're using a Macbook, installing Ubuntu is a pain. And it wasn't as if I was actually going to be working with the product itself.) Annual leave allowances were generous, definitely above the statutory UK requirements, but not being able to float the bank holidays implied that non-Christian staff members would need to use annual leave for their own religious holidays while being mandated to take off Good Friday and Easter Monday. Salary expectations were mentioned but I literally had no idea, so that was something that would have been discussed later on in the process, had I made it that far. I didn't. Day 81: Automated rejection. A long, long email I didn't read to the end. I wonder whether their Talent 'Scientists' factor in interview fatigue when they judge whether you are permitted to move forward. Had I continued the process, I would have gone through at least four and possibly five more interviews with: - a senior member of the team - the leader of the team - my hiring lead - one of the people I would have been working with - and possibly the space-faring South African billionaire himself. I even knew what witty question I would have asked him. Alas, 'twill never be. So that's what you can expect with Canonical. Go for it if the job is something you really want, and if you have no immediate need for a job, and if you really really REALLY like having interviews. PS Just before posting this, I got an automated email asking me, "how has [sic] your interview experience?" Well, here's your answer. * 40 comments * share * save * hide * report all 40 comments sorted by: best topnewcontroversialoldrandomq&alive (beta) [ ] Want to add to the discussion? Post a comment! Create an account [-]AutoModerator[M] [score hidden] 2 days ago stickied comment (0 children) The discord for our subreddit can be found here: https://discord.gg/ JjNdBkVGc6 - feel free to join us for a more realtime level of discussion! I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]ThenAdministration70 13 points14 points15 points 2 days ago (0 children) This is next level. Thank you for the name and shame! * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]noonewantstowerk 4 points5 points6 points 2 days ago (0 children) I've known about the toxicity for a long time. I've had fellow confidants work there who hated it and yes they don't even provide a work related laptop LOL. The CEO is a loose cannon and there is no relevant structure at all. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]crusoe 3 points4 points5 points 2 days ago (0 children) Honestly, this is worse than FAANG. And no wonder Canonical is dysfunctional. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]obscuresecurity 2 points3 points4 points 10 hours ago (7 children) As a Principal Software Engineer, I applied to Canonical on their fast track program. The document I got back was very similar in many ways. Yes, they asked me about highschool, and other things. I looked at it and realized it'd take hours to fill out. I just noped out. Interviews run both ways. They'd told me what I needed to hear. They don't value senior staff, if they are asking about high school. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]gopher_space 0 points1 point2 points 6 hours ago (6 children) They don't value senior staff, if they are asking about high school. I mean, feel free to ask about high school if you have any interesting and relevant questions but I'm just going to "lie" about my grades because the paperwork and the memories are gone, man. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]obscuresecurity 1 point2 points3 points 5 hours ago (5 children) What relevant question do you have about highschool for a guy with 25+ YOE? "Do you have a high school diploma?" is about it. Fact is the school of hard knocks has taught me more than HS + College. :) My grades are immaterial, I'm not that person anymore, I'm a very different person. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]gopher_space 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago (4 children) What relevant question do you have about highschool I'd love to be interviewed by someone bright enough to come up with one! * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]obscuresecurity 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago (2 children) Do you have a HS diploma or a GED? (Which) If GED: Why? The second path if taken can give some really interesting stuff potentially about the person, because a GED usually shows a non-traditional path of some form. This is not bad. You could be looking at a child prodigy, or someone who dragged their butt back to school to make something of themselves. ... So there is a question there. But it isn't the one being asked. Also I am NOT sure if the question I asked is legal in the US. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]gopher_space 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago (1 child) I'd dig into a question like "What did you learn in high school?" if I knew that I'd already passed the tech rounds and that they'd read the fuck out of my essay. The older I get the more I learned in school. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]obscuresecurity 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago (0 children) The older I get in life... the less I learned in high school, and the more I learned after. We are all different. I joke: I've got a multi-million dollar education, because of the errors I've made in my life. Do you want to pay for someone else to make the same errors I've already made? :) * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]NewDeviceNewUsername [score hidden] 42 minutes ago (0 children) "Does anything from high school still matter to you?" If they answer yes, they had better have a good justification. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]bcwaale 2 points3 points4 points 1 day ago (0 children) I did the thomas test just for fun and got dinged in two areas that were my strengths, wrote back those long winded questions with short terse replies and got the auto reject. Was telling my spouse that this was the most retarded hiring process I have ever seen and I was a hiring decision maker at a faang company that saw stupid evolution of interview loops over the years [?] * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]zappini 1 point2 points3 points 10 hours ago* (1 child) Most of this gatekeeping is trying to prevent bad hires. /1 Screw that. Lower the cost of bad hires instead. Just hire likely candidates. Every one starts on 3 months probation. If doesn't work out, no fault divorce. New hire gets X months severance. Keep renewing probation as necessary. It'd be like running a temp agency, but inside the company. I understand this Correct Answer(tm) requires a safety net for workers. Stuff like Medicare for All, cheap and plentiful child care, probably some stuff related to unemployment insurance and workman's comp, etc. /1 - Some gatekeeping is "bar raiser" ego flexing. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]zer0def 1 point2 points3 points 9 hours ago* (0 children) You mean only 81 days - a successful attempt used to linger for a triple-digit amount of days, while an attempt where the candidate is deemed "too burdensome" (because this profession is so lovely, full of rainbows and unicorns) gets weeded out by a first-interview psych eval in about a month, in spite of similar performance. At least in brief summary. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]anacrolix 1 point2 points3 points 8 hours ago (0 children) They're always quick to try to hire for the jobs nobody wants. I've been through the process twice, and both times gave up because of how long the process is. But they reject me from there more interesting jobs without any consideration. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]LetsTryNewThingsGuys 1 point2 points3 points 7 hours ago (0 children) that's how they became leader in the cloud not by hiring javascript developpers like you * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]Spirited_Tie_3473 1 point2 points3 points 6 hours ago (0 children) if you're using a Macbook, installing Ubuntu is a pain i'm bet they are glad they dodged that bullet. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]ProstheticAttitude 1 point2 points3 points 4 hours ago (0 children) That's just fear externalized as a hiring process. You don't need to know about my high school experience. That was 45 years ago. You need to know if I can spell "{" and ";" and ship stuff. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]obscuresecurity 1 point2 points3 points 4 hours ago (0 children) I posted previously, but this is additional content: I went back to my Canonical question letter. I found... *43* questions. I am not joking. Yes, I was applying to a senior position... but... 43 questions where I'd probably average a paragraph each? No thanks. Canonical, I understand what you are trying to do. But in asking that many questions, it creates a discrimination all of its own, and I don't think it is helping you long term. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]userfri3ndly 1 point2 points3 points 3 hours ago (0 children) I went through the entire process, gave all the assessments and 7-8 interview rounds. Except one which was moderate, all went really really well and then ended up being rejected. It wasted so much time they even made me do two really big assignments that took at least a week each. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]Standard-Donut-2202 1 point2 points3 points 3 hours ago (0 children) Throw away account here as I used to work at Canonical and don't want to be IDed. First off I just want to say I'm sorry about such a shitty experience. When I joined the company, it was literally a single interview with an engineer on the team I was going to be working for. I got the job and worked there for multiple years, across a couple of different teams. I made a lot of friends there and there are/were some amazing people there. When it was first announced, there was an enormous amount of internal push back against this hiring procedure and a few even outright resigned over it. It was sold as "a less biased process". Now, to be fair, one interview with an engineer I was going to work with could definitely lead to hiring bias and I totally get why that needed to be addressed. Of course, what it was replaced with is even more problematic, especially with those aptitude tests. People internally found ways you could pay third party companies to train you on the exact tests pretty quickly. When these were given to senior leadership, they were ignored and some people were ridiculed on company wide emails, by the CTO, just for raising their concerns. "If you think Canonical is not accommodating to people from different backgrounds, you need to go back to fairy island" was the infamous line. As people have pointed out here, it's very much Mark's way or quit at Canonical. It's also worth pointing out that, as engineers, we were putting a huge amount of our time interviewing candidates and reviewing the "at home" coding challenges. None of this time was accounted for during sprint planning. I used to be very open with candidates and told them that it's going to be a long process. I'm not sure how others were, but a lot of us were really burnt out from all the extra and unplanned effort needed. Ultimately, it's such a deep shame. Canonical was a dream job for me. I'd been an open source contributor since my first year of high school and I loved Ubuntu for what it was doing for the Linux desktop. A lot of us alumni agree that there's no way we'd pass any of this process, even if we wanted to go back. Hopefully, one day, the company will either IPO (I'm pretty sure Mark would get pushed out straight away) or that Mark steps aside. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]HildredCastaigne 1 point2 points3 points 2 days ago (7 children) They gave you more questions about high school then they did about university/your degree. What the fuck? * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]FloraMacDonald[S] 3 points4 points5 points 2 days ago* (0 children) They acknowledge that not everyone goes to university (although that seems to be pretty recent - there's a whole bit about that in the current application form that wasn't there when I applied). But yeah, I mean, I won a major named scholarship and have a great academic pedigree, and you'd think that would show more of what they're looking for than 'I was editor of my high school yearbook'. Not that academic accomplishments translate into good working practices, necessarily, but I definitely had some good examples! /me shrug * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Gullible-Coast-3227 2 points3 points4 points 11 hours ago (5 children) I remember high school was a joke, bad teachers, I had no ambition to learn because no one was really pushing me, until I got to college. Bad experience, bullies and mean girls. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]I_Love_Vanessa 1 point2 points3 points 11 hours ago (3 children) I remember university was a joke, bad teachers, I had no ambition to learn because no one was really pushing me. Bad experience, mostly foreign students, Chinese who didn't speak much English and Indians. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]wdouglass 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago (2 children) Where did you go to university? I felt pushed by the fact that it was expensive and failure was a waste... * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]BigError463 0 points1 point2 points 1 hour ago (0 children) When I went to university the course was free and I was paid to attend, how times changed in 30 years. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]I_Love_Vanessa [score hidden] 4 minutes ago (0 children) Australia * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]ganymedes01 [score hidden] 26 minutes ago (0 children) did they wear pink on wednesdays? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]One-Full -1 points0 points1 point 2 days ago (0 children) bros actin like the thing they made isnt based on open source gpl and something fancy * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]toxinu 0 points1 point2 points 12 hours ago (0 children) Canonical interview process sucks and I have also been through this shit: https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/usjhye/comment/ i94hkrp/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3 * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]TotesMessenger 0 points1 point2 points 10 hours ago (0 children) I'm a bot, bleep, bloop. Someone has linked to this thread from another place on reddit: * [/r/hypeurls] Canonical's interview process step by step (by step by step by) ^If you follow any of the above links, please respect the rules of reddit and don't vote in the other threads. ^(Info ^/ ^Contact) * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]cuchipa 0 points1 point2 points 10 hours ago (3 children) No one actually wanted to talk to me about any of the great things I'd told them about in my written interview, or even the interesting stuff I'd done in my most recent jobs, even when it was highly relevant for this job. Totally agree with this, same happened to me early this year. I realised about that even before your last stage so I decided to not to continue forward (even I was actually looking for a job since I was fired from my prev). With this interview process I can't really think about the people that is willing to finish it. What about their retention policies? If they have it, it must be really great. Thank you for your post. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]obscuresecurity 1 point2 points3 points 10 hours ago (2 children) Why? They know you are willing to jump through massive numbers of hoops, etc. And they have lots of PII on you. Far more than a normal employer. A lowball, with an implication of blackmail isn't something that will shock me. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]cuchipa 1 point2 points3 points 9 hours ago (1 child) yep, agree on that. My message wasn't meant to offend, in fact it was a kind of congrats to those people that are doing everything on their end to join. I suspect these kind of processes are a kind of filter so you step out in your own (like my case) if not willing to take that process. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]obscuresecurity 1 point2 points3 points 9 hours ago (0 children) No offense taken. I'm certainly not a Canoncial guy. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]markshuttle 0 points1 point2 points 2 hours ago (1 child) Thank you for the feedback. I did enjoy your post. It has just the right amount of snark, but plenty of substance too, so well played, it's a good read. It's a small world so perhaps one day you'll get to ask me that perfect question. I'm glad the role checked a lot of your boxes, because the EA team at Canonical is very much part of our success, and I'd like to keep growing it with outstanding people. They're not really EA's in the traditional sense - they are our administrative nerve centre, they work as a team, not for execs. They own a set of important processes, they have autonomy and exercise discretion, and they hold people accountable (even those much more senior than them) to ensure that people do things properly. If you are the sort of person who likes to make sure things are done properly, likes to get things done, and can handle some authority while still being nice, it's a great team to be on. Yes, it's a very deliberate process. And yes, we make mistakes occasionally, none of us are perfect. It's certainly a process that's easy to deride, because it's not designed to work for anyone. To be successful and get an offer, you will need to be both outstanding, and a little bit lucky. That's life. You will need to invest a fair amount of effort, because we want to understand a lot about people who we bring into the team. You'll probably need to have a genuine interest in open source and nerdy things, because that's what we are about. That's definitely not traditional EA territory, but we're looking for quite literally one in a thousand. On the other hand, you'll get to meet a lot of us, so you will be well informed if you take the opportunity to interview us while we interview you. Our process is not designed for anyone who wants a job quickly. It's designed for people who understand what Canonical has done in the world of open source, and perhaps has an inkling of what we might aspire to do in future - again, to help open source make it's biggest and best impact on the world. I know Reddit loves to whale on some of the things we do. We've made mistakes. But I devote literally every working day and most weekends to the things that I think will drive open source forward, at the lowest cost, for the widest audience. Open source enabled me to reach for the stars, and this is my way of giving back. That's not a one person job, it will take an exceptional team, from EAs to engineers to support colleagues to authors and more. I should say that we have been running this process for three years now, the last two of which it has been used for almost every role. And I love the result. I'm getting to work with more and more extraordinary people who also want to see open source be more widely used, be easier to use, be used by more people, and attract more contributions. I am sure there are some potentially amazing colleagues who didn't make it through the process. C'est la vie. I am certainly sure that we're hiring a more interesting crowd from more countries with more passion for what we do, and much better writing skills :) It's making my job more fun, and it's raising my confidence that we can make Ubuntu and the whole ecosystem around it better, more secure, and more efficient. There are other great distros, but lots of people appreciate Ubuntu, and I'm happy to work for them. One last thing - thank you for the pointer to typos in that email from me. I found one ("When I wants to...") but perhaps there are more I'm missing. Here's the full email, for anyone interested. These are my words, not a copywriters. It's my way of letting EA candidates know that I am serious about wanting them to feel empowered to run things properly: Given that you are now starting the main interviews to join our EA team, I would like to share a perspective on why this team is so crucial to our business. Canonical is almost entirely remote-first. We can and do hire colleagues in almost every country in the world, based on their skill and their motivation to be part of our enterprise open source revolution. We like the idea that a passionate group, unified in their mission, can collaborate to achieve global success without having to commute. Everyone gets a corner office with the view of their choice :) But we also know that it takes a lot of work to unify a disparate and distant group of people. It doesn't happen by osmosis, it happens because we make the effort to bring people together and let them build things together. The team that makes that happen is our EA team; not because they support our executives, but because they run a number of the processes and logistics for our internal events. Whenever I want something done consistently, fairly and efficiently, I make sure that the EA team have it as a goal. They are one of the few teams that has a clear view of everything that is happening in the company. Right now, hiring to support our growth is a critical focus for us, and the EA team are playing a vital role in making sure we move forward quickly with senior interviews. That's just one example of how I see our executive administration as a key operational strength, and want to make sure we bring only the best people in as we scale that team. I hope you enjoy your interviews, and if all goes well, look forward to meeting you! * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]tearkit 0 points1 point2 points 1 hour ago* (0 children) mark, you run nothing more than a debian distro that does a couple apt-get's for you and installs a different kernel. why would you have possibly made such a shitty decision to go with "upstart" which if fucking fails doesn't print ANY debug messages and just completely stalls the boot. do you understand how hard it is to migrate a ubuntu install to a different VM environment or hardware as a result? do you realize that most every other operating system needs nothing more than editing the fstab to find the new drive and then just letting what fails to start, fail, and at least let the user get to the goddamn command line so they can continue doing setup. your process doesn't have to be like this. ps: I've ran gentoo for 15 years. you suck and your OS sucks. your recruiting process is ridiculous and the worst thing I could wish upon ANYONE is to try and update your shitty operating system. we still use ubuntu 14 in some places due to the mistake of a dev installing it 10~ years ago and your system completely collapsing when you try to do any updates. you are a scum to the linux community and when your distro is finally dead we will all be better off. it's practically impossible to find guides to do anything with your OS because it is so insanely fragmented. it all relies on installing more and more third party package repos until the entire OS is trashed with completely different versioned software all over the place because you can barely manage to package the software and maintain it in the main repo. the practical advice is to just reinstall it, which puts it in the unusable column in the modern day. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]TurtleStudios 0 points1 point2 points 1 hour ago (0 children) No, it was pretty simple. 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