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Why yewtu.be was down? (July 2023)
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what-happened-downtime-july2023.md

On the 30th of June, my cloud provider, Oracle Cloud, decided to
shutdown all my servers hosted on two Oracle Cloud accounts.
It is known that this provider will randomly ban accounts without any
reason.

 Why yewtu.be doesn't accept new registrations nor logging into an
account?

Unfortunately and this is 100% my fault for forgetting that, I only
had data duplication between servers located in the two Oracle Cloud
accounts and no backups.
I thought that I wouldn't get all my accounts in trouble at the same
time and able to recover the data from one of the two accounts but
unfortunately this turned out otherwise.

Implementing some backup was something I had in my notes for a long
time but I think I forgot about it, maybe due to the huge amount of
work I spend on the open source projects.
I'm deeply sorry if you have lost your subscriptions list or
playlists or watch history. I did try to contact Oracle Cloud for
recovering the data, I'm waiting for their answer but you should be
certain that they will most likely ignore me.

So as of now and in order to not have the responsability of keeping
the data of my users somewhere safe I won't accept new registrations
on yewtu.be. You can use yewtu.be normally like before but without an
account.
If you are looking for making an account on Invidious, please use
other instances: https://instances.invidious.io or install Invidious
locally on your computer: https://docs.invidious.io/installation/

 Why it took so long for yewtu.be to be available again?

Well first I had to find new servers, set up them. I have a complex
infrastructure for handling the many users that I receive every day.

Second that was something I have wanted to do for a long time. Rework
from scratch my infrastructure for an easier way of managing it.
In more technical terms, rework my Kubernetes infrastructure.

(Finally mentally recover from all of these events, especially the
lost of my users data, by going on a hike for a full day)

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@crawlelate
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crawlelate commented Jul 3, 2023

Dang, I lost about 10k subs. Guess that's on me though for not
backing up my subs list when all it took was literally a few clicks.
Am legit banging my head against the wall right now >.<

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@Ashirg-ch
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Ashirg-ch commented Jul 3, 2023

While it is unfortunate that I will have to readd my roughly 15
subscriptions, I will be able to cope just fine. Thank you for your
service, your instance will keep being my faviourite one.

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@MrCybertux
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MrCybertux commented Jul 3, 2023

So sorry for you loosing all that hard Work!
Could this be related to the legal action google wants to take?
Maybe if you are using Brogbackup you could use a Hetzner Storagebox
witch is cheap and just a storage so less risk for loosing i would
guess?
Also Hetzner is quite a cool company and the support pretty fast.

Anyway your instance is among the most stable ones! thanks for your
services to the community and all the effort!

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@evanferrao
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evanferrao commented Jul 3, 2023

    Could this be related to the legal action google wants to take?

It's because oracle cloud terminated the free tier account. They are
known for doing that.

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@strypey
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strypey commented Jul 3, 2023 *
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YewTube has been my favourite YT front-end since I discovered it.
Sorry to hear Oracle treated you so badly. There need to be laws
against ISPs terminating services with no warning, and no opportunity
for data recovery.

Sometimes even when you are the customer, you're still the product :/

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@dark-steveneq
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dark-steveneq commented Jul 3, 2023

The "account data loss" wasn't an issue for me since I use RSS for my
subscription.

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@senz
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senz commented Jul 3, 2023

No worries. I had understanding that you provide no sla, so data
backup was on me, in the first order. Thank you for your great
contribution

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@notmoaiad
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notmoaiad commented Jul 3, 2023

Why do you apologize, you're a legend bro!, Thanks for everything
You've contributed into the FOSS community.

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@suy
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suy commented Jul 3, 2023

For me, there is no need to apologize, and I can only send thanks for
all the convenience that you have provided to my life. Your instance
has been super reliable, and it's the only one I've been using for
Invidious.

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@Quasolaris
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Quasolaris commented Jul 3, 2023

You do this for free and as a service to all of us in the FOSS
community, I can only say thank you!

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@Pentaphon
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Pentaphon commented Jul 3, 2023

This is why I had my subscriptions stored on 3 different instances.
Whew.

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@Morasithil
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Morasithil commented Jul 3, 2023

There's only one thing to say, Thank you for your service!

Yewtu.be really has become to most popular invidious instances with a
60.000 users daily.
I hope that google censorshit scum won't be able to harm invidious.
iv-org/invidious#3872

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@ymcx
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ymcx commented Jul 3, 2023

Thank you for your contribution to the open source community <3
Please remember that you don't owe us anything. Taking good care of
your mental wellbeing should be your first and foremost priority.

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@notsharingmyname
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notsharingmyname commented Jul 3, 2023

Thank you a lot for everything you've done for this instance!
Keep going strong on the long run :)

I may have a question though: would you consider allowing the
registration again, and just adding a fair warning or a note on the
login page, some kind of "Be warned that your account may be subject
to data loss, please keep a monthly export of your data."?
I mean, this instance is amazing for its URL efficiency, and having
an account on it even when subject to data loss really helps in some
cases.

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@blaineyilmaz
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blaineyilmaz commented Jul 3, 2023

Thanks for hosting yewtu.be

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@sol8712
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sol8712 commented Jul 3, 2023

Thank you so much for your volunteer work!

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@oblak-be
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oblak-be commented Jul 3, 2023

Big thanks for putting in the effort, let us know through matrix on
oblak.be if you think it is a good idea to cooperate to host the
infrastructure. We could provide failover and backup support where
needed.

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@ProgramminCat
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ProgramminCat commented Jul 3, 2023

Thanks so much for hosting my favourite Invidious instance!

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@nerdius
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nerdius commented Jul 3, 2023 *
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Thanks for your effort!

    It is known that this provider will randomly ban accounts without
    any reason.
    [...]
    I did try to contact Oracle Cloud for recovering the data, I'm
    waiting for their answer but you should be certain that they will
    most likely ignore me.

That's called being an asshole. It's our data. This is their Twitter
-- you all know what to do.

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@kenos1
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kenos1 commented Jul 3, 2023

Thank you so much for running this instance! It is such a convenience
for me and my friends!

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@1412031
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1412031 commented Jul 3, 2023

Hey I've been using the instance for quite some time now.
As others, I've been mindful of the volatile nature of such types of
front-ends so I've been regularly doing my due diligence and backing
up my data.

In my humble opinion no sane user would really expect any kind of
data integrity from a service like this so practically wipes like
these aren't to be unexpected or particularly rare so all and all
this isn't a big deal. But in practice disallowing such an essential
part of UX like allowing people to have user feeds etc will
practically render yewtu.be unusable for a large portion of the
userbase.

So to sum up, nobody pays for SLA and you aren't really required to
maintain indefinite backups, but if you ask me the decision to remove
accounts altogether actually makes for a much worse platform for
everyone weather their delusional enough to demand SLA or not. Please
reconsider your decision, I feel like its much more drastic than it
needs to be and it doesn't really benefit anyone in the end of the
day. You shouldn't take any responsibility for our data, just let us
enjoy the instance as is, we'll take care of the rest =)

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@Pentaphon
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Pentaphon commented Jul 4, 2023

Everybody should have their subscriptions backed up on other
Invidious instances, Piped instances, Newpipe app, etc. Put the json
on a filehost. There is no reason to just depend on Yewtube.

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@uohmak4fvpqe
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uohmak4fvpqe commented Jul 4, 2023 *
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The thing is, I made a backup of my subscriptions, but now it is
useless. Why don't you allow me to login and restore it ?

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@kojinkai
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kojinkai commented Jul 4, 2023 *
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Thanks for the explanation and all the work you put in to maintain
this instance. Certainly wouldn't hold your breath for any
accountability from a the likes of Oracle, but that's why it's good
to support these types of projects.

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@hermann-p
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hermann-p commented Jul 4, 2023

Thanks for the service you provided and provide to the community. It
could be a response from Oracle to Google's false accusation of
misusing their API - they probably rather give in to wrong
accusations from corps waving with expensive lawyers than spend time
cross-checking source code with with API guidelines.

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@JacksonChen666
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JacksonChen666 commented Jul 4, 2023

@uohmak4fvpqe You can use another Invidious instance in the
meanwhile. The data format for Invidious is same across instances
(unless there's major modifications), so it works even on other
instances.

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@ericpa06
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ericpa06 commented Jul 4, 2023 *
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For those wanting to keep subscription on their favorite YT channels,
I think a better solution would be using some RSS reader, such as
Feedly. At least this is what I do. Google still (for now at least,
who knows the future), offers RSS support for youtube channels. So
you can just see all new videos without having to worry with the
instances. To sweet the deal you might instal Redirector to redirect
the youtube link to your favorite Invidious instance.

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@vdbhb59
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vdbhb59 commented Jul 4, 2023

If I may ask: where are you hosting now?

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@garoto
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garoto commented Jul 4, 2023

RIP yewtu.be. Clearly by design, but regardless, thank you mr fox for
all the monies and effort you've put into it. Trully appreciate.

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@yasharpm
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yasharpm commented Jul 4, 2023

I'm sad that I lost my subscriptions. But I don't want you to feel
bad about it. I am thankful for the while it lasted. :-)

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