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Bad news for third-party apps, their announced pricing is close to Twitter's pricing, and Apollo would have to pay Reddit $20 million per year to keep running as-is. 1092 * 57 comments [6D-xd0p8] You know its bad when an unannounced feature is used to warn everyone. 779 * 68 comments [BqUizit5] 0:08 Apollo users when being forced back to the Official Reddit app. 664 * 19 comments [g-vB797A] If Reddit doesn't back down from their absurd price point.... 402 * 16 comments Thank you 343 * 10 comments [dRkHgEWh] This alone makes me not want to use the official Reddit app 207 * 110 comments I'll gladly pay a higher subscription for the app - who's with me? * 11 comments [vI685Y2P] Engadget has an article about Apollo and the API already. 122 * 43 comments You've got the most enviable app UI -- that's a massive part of the puzzle. Raise some investor funding and hire a team to replace Reddit as a backend and keep Apollo going? 51 * 11 comments [KCfUlcBv] Thanks Christian, it's been a good run and I'm excited to see what you do next Welcome to Reddit, the front page of the internet. Become a Redditor and join one of thousands of communities. x 60.5k 60.5k 60.5k Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing. Bad news for third-party apps, their announced pricing is close to Twitter's pricing, and Apollo would have to pay Reddit $20 million per year to keep running as-is.Announcement (self.apolloapp) submitted 5 hours ago * by iamthatisApollo Developer[tcofsbf92m]7 [wa987k0p4v]2[2Dread_48]4[j3azv69qjf][lop66ut2wn]5[Spits_drin]3 [80j20o397j][ks45ij6w05]4[Illuminati]7[fck3iedi2u]2[8ad2jffncl] [ree13odobe][a05z7bb9v7]4[heart_brea][silver_48]3[ooo0r2cq7q]3 [Rocket_48]3[iq0sgwn5bz]3[gold_48]59[5nswjpyy44]2[v1mxw8i6wn] [6vgr8y21i9][Lurking_48][x1o2hnh9yw][klvxk1wggf][kqr00h8b7q]2 [nvfe4gyawn][ey2iodron2]8[Starry_48][pot_o_coin]4[rc5iesz2z8] [45aeu8mzvs][Levelup_48][Animated_H]3[TeleportIn][4samff1ud5] [platinum_4]48[are_you_se][TakeMyPowe][Timeless_4][p4yzxkaed5]29& 211 more - announcement Hey all, I'll cut to the chase: 50 million requests costs $12,000, a figure far more than I ever could have imagined. Apollo made 7 billion requests last month, which would put it at about 1.7 million dollars per month, or 20 million US dollars per year. Even if I only kept subscription users, the average Apollo user uses 344 requests per day, which would cost $2.50 per month, which is over double what the subscription currently costs, so I'd be in the red every month. I'm deeply disappointed in this price. Reddit iterated that the price would be A) reasonable and based in reality, and B) they would not operate like Twitter. Twitter's pricing was publicly ridiculed for its obscene price of $42,000 for 50 million tweets. Reddit's is still $12,000. For reference, I pay Imgur (a site similar to Reddit in user base and media) $166 for the same 50 million API calls. As for the pricing, despite claims that it would be based in reality, it seems anything but. Less than 2 years ago they said they crossed $100M in quarterly revenue for the first time ever, if we assume despite the economic downturn that they've managed to do that every single quarter now, and for your best quarter, you've doubled it to $200M. Let's also be generous and go far, far above industry estimates and say you made another $50M in Reddit Premium subscriptions. That's $550M in revenue per year, let's say an even $600M. In 2019, they said they hit 430 million monthly active users, and to also be generous, let's say they haven't added a single active user since then (if we do revenue-per-user calculations, the more users, the less revenue each user would contribute). So at generous estimates of $600M and 430M monthly active users, that's $1.40 per user per year, or $0.12 monthly. These own numbers they've given are also seemingly inline with industry estimates as well. For Apollo, the average user uses 344 requests daily, or 10.6K monthly. With the proposed API pricing, the average user in Apollo would cost $2.50, which is is 20x higher than a generous estimate of what each users brings Reddit in revenue. While Reddit has been communicative and civil throughout this process with half a dozen phone calls back and forth that I thought went really well, I don't see how this pricing is anything based in reality or remotely reasonable. I hope it goes without saying that I don't have that kind of money or would even know how to charge it to a credit card. This is going to require some thinking. I asked Reddit if they were flexible on this pricing or not, and they stated that it's their understanding that no, this will be the pricing, and I'm free to post the details of the call if I wish. - Christian (For the uninitiated wondering "what the heck is an API anyway and why is this so important?" it's just a fancy term for a way to access a site's information ("Application Programming Interface"). As an analogy, think of Reddit having a bouncer, and since day one that bouncer has been friendly, where if you ask "Hey, can you list out the comments for me for post X?" the bouncer would happily respond with what you requested, provided you didn't ask so often that it was silly. That's the Reddit API: I ask Reddit/the bouncer for some data, and it provides it so I can display it in my app for users. The proposed changes mean the bouncer will still exist, but now ask an exorbitant amount per question.) * 6634 comments * share * save * hide * report top 200 commentsshow 500 sorted by: best topnewcontroversialoldrandomq&alive (beta) [ ] Want to add to the discussion? Post a comment! Create an account [-]FriedEngineer 2512 points2513 points2514 points 5 hours ago (356 children) Dang. I don't understand how Reddit thinks that is reasonable either. Appreciate the transparency as always! * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]jimbo831 1913 points1914 points1915 points 5 hours ago[klvxk1wggf] (262 children) They know it's not reasonable. They want to kill third-party apps, and this pricing is designed with that goal in mind. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]iindigo 768 points769 points770 points 4 hours ago (123 children) Yep. They don't want to have to compete with community apps that are vastly better built and optimized for what users actually want. They want to give you no choice but to use their optimized-for-engagement-and-ad-impressions first party site/app. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Nico777 313 points314 points315 points 4 hours ago (82 children) Not just better built and optimized, but without their ads. That's all they're aiming for. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Beautiful-Musk-Ox 210 points211 points212 points 3 hours ago (61 children) Not just ads but tracking too, reddit wants you to use their app so they can steal as much if your data as possible * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (61 replies) load more comments (20 replies) load more comments (40 replies) [-]parentis_shotgun 226 points227 points228 points 4 hours ago* [5nswjpyy44] (65 children) This is 100% correct. Its the twitter model: restrict / paywall 3rd-party apps, then close off the API entirely, and force people to use your own ad-ridden / privacy monster of an app. Also I'm one of the devs of Lemmy, an open-source reddit alternative for the fediverse (it already connects to mastodon and other fedeverse services). We do have an open API, an android app called jerboa, and one in development for iOS called mlem. You can learn more about it here: https://join-lemmy.org If anyone has any questions, I'd be glad to help! * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (65 replies) load more comments (72 replies) [-]AcademicF 159 points160 points161 points 4 hours ago (15 children) They're trying to overvalue their services before going public. Execs want to cash out and move to a tropical island. I can't wait for this cesspool to fail. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (15 replies) load more comments (77 replies) [-]JulioChavezReuters 9057 points9058 points9059 points 5 hours ago [silver_48]2[gold_48]6[platinum_4][p4yzxkaed5]3[SnooClappi] [Starry_48][35d17tf5e5][Rocket_48]2[trfv6ems1m][71v56o5a5v]& 7 more (270 children) Hi Christian, I work for Reuters. I've passed this link on to some of our tech and social media reporters * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]iamthatisApollo Developer[S] 746 points747 points748 points 2 hours ago (35 children) Oh hey! Sorry for the delayed response, my fingers hurt from typing today, and I've missed replies from some cool folks. My email is me at christianselig.com if you folks or anyone else want to talk. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]captyossarian1991 48 points49 points50 points 1 hour ago (15 children) Hoping they come to a reasonable price Christian, I've been using your app for years now, it's fantastic. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (15 replies) [-]PweatySenis 62 points63 points64 points 2 hours ago (3 children) I will provide you with finger massages at no charge, you deserve it! * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Redbeard_Rum 25 points26 points27 points 56 minutes ago (2 children) With your username I hope you wash your hands first. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (15 replies) [-]123bpd 4230 points4231 points4232 points 4 hours ago (137 children) This is the way. Spread this news far & wide. It'd be a PR shame if they were publicly ridiculed for this decision, wouldn't it? Either way, time to GDPR request my archive and head out. Been meaning to, anyhow * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]OrgeGeorwell 636 points637 points638 points 4 hours ago (38 children) It's democratic of us to publicly ridicule the mismanagement of our public discourse. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]nukethedogphilly 257 points258 points259 points 3 hours ago* (24 children) The funniest part of all this, is I came to Reddit while ridiculing digg back in the day. I guess it's time for something new while I ridicule Reddit. Sucks I'm losing Reddit and Twitter so quickly, but honestly we had a good run. I thought this shit was over after Ellen Pao. Edit: To all the people telling me that Ellen was a scapegoat, yes I know. I too use reddit. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]sn34kypete 55 points56 points57 points 3 hours ago (8 children) Pao was a scapegoat CEO. Another former reddit CEO even said as much. Her job was to do the ugly shit, take a check, then bounce. https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/ former-reddit-ceo-says-ellen-pao-served-as-a-scapegoat/ * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (8 replies) load more comments (15 replies) load more comments (13 replies) [-]NCSUGrad2012 51 points52 points53 points 4 hours ago (39 children) Unless users quit I don't think they'll care. If it gets advertisers to leave then maybe they would care. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (39 replies) load more comments (58 replies) [-]Vitamoon_ 331 points332 points333 points 4 hours ago (2 children) thank you mate * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (2 replies) [-]iammaffyou 158 points159 points160 points 4 hours ago (0 children) YES * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]SlendyTheMan 52 points53 points54 points 4 hours ago (4 children) This is the only way they revert * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (4 replies) [-]darioblaze 44 points45 points46 points 4 hours ago (3 children) Hi Christian, I work for Reuters The people that called earlier gon see this and go "ah SHIT" * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (3 replies) [-]stamminator 28 points29 points30 points 4 hours ago (8 children) What's the easiest way to see if/when one of your reporters drops an article on this? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]skydecklover 29 points30 points31 points 3 hours ago (1 child) Not sure, but one hit MacRumors a few hours ago. https://www.macrumors.com/2023/05/31/ reddit-api-changes-pricing-apollo/ * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (6 replies) [-]ExcitingishUsername 26 points27 points28 points 3 hours ago (3 children) I know it's probably not something media will care much about, but Reddit is also ripping away a lot of tools and functions necessary to moderate adult content on Reddit, which will have huge implications for our ability to keep those spaces moderated, safe, and legal. I think there's a story there too, but I don't know if anyone will care to tell it. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (3 replies) load more comments (70 replies) [-]waaarg 366 points367 points368 points 5 hours ago*[gold_48] (15 children) Well, Reddit was fun while it lasted. I'm gone the day this goes into effect, I guess. Christian, thanks for all of the work you've continually put into making Apollo such an amazing experience, and I'm sorry to see this happen. It's utterly unreasonable, and they know it. If they're going to ban 3rd party apps in practice (as this very clearly is designed to accomplish), they should have the balls to just do it rather than pull this nonsense. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply load more comments (15 replies) [-]LordTopley 4213 points4214 points4215 points 5 hours ago [silver_48][p4yzxkaed5][Starstruck][35d17tf5e5] (358 children) Bye Bye Reddit then. Without third party apps, I'll abandon Reddit like I abandoned Twitter. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]mandalore237 1206 points1207 points1208 points 5 hours ago (142 children) Yea the official reddit app is fucking garbage. I prefer Reddit is Fun to apollo but regardless * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]LordTopley 355 points356 points357 points 5 hours ago (54 children) I stopped using Apollo a few months back and moved to ReddPlanet. Official app is horrid. Why Reddit can't just be reasonable. If they want the ad revenue or Reddit Premium money, then force it into the API then. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]ChunkyDay 86 points87 points88 points 3 hours ago (31 children) I'll never use the default app. It looks like it was designed for a 12 year old. After using classic Reddit for over 13 years, that app is infantilizing. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Echohawkdown 26 points27 points28 points 3 hours ago (4 children) I would settle for opt-in notifs (as opposed to opt-out notifs). The dark patterns are strong in the official app and they can fuck off. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (26 replies) load more comments (22 replies) load more comments (87 replies) [-]Vestalmin 387 points388 points389 points 5 hours ago (23 children) You don't want a Tiktok style video player that doesn't work? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]LordTopley 215 points216 points217 points 5 hours ago[80j20o397j] (16 children) Nah, I'd rather grate my nipples off with a hot cheese grater than use vanilla Reddit. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (16 replies) load more comments (6 replies) [-]Mathesar 227 points228 points229 points 5 hours ago (59 children) Likewise. What a shame. I will not use the official Reddit app, it sucks ass. I will not use reddits new website, it sucks even more ass. Reddit, you cannot force an ass-sucking interface on me. I'd rather spend time somewhere else. I suppose I'll get my fix of niche communities through old.reddit, but far less frequently. It's been fun fellas * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]KickupKirby 97 points98 points99 points 4 hours ago (43 children) I wouldn't be surprised at all if old.reddit is killed in all of this mess. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (43 replies) load more comments (15 replies) load more comments (131 replies) [-]IronRectangle 4583 points4584 points4585 points 5 hours ago* [klvxk1wggf] (214 children) This is absurd pricing. There's no way I or many others will continue to post, comment, or moderate anywhere near our current levels without good apps like Apollo. I really hope they take feedback from the pricing announcement and drastically re-think things. That being said, I'm also personally okay with you raising subscription prices if needed in the future. I use the hell out of this app. Edit, to be clear: forcing devs to increase their subscription prices only so that a bucket of money can be passed on to Reddit for API access is not okay. I understand that price increases need to happen sometimes, even for things like the cost of APIs or other resources, but this is extremely ham-fisted by Reddit. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]Galaxyman0917 2621 points2622 points2623 points 5 hours ago* [silver_48][gold_48]2[p4yzxkaed5]3[v1mxw8i6wn][fukjtec638] [kqr00h8b7q]3[TakeMyPowe]& 5 more (103 children) Yeah, I ain't using the native app, no matter what. Edit: please don't give this comment awards, donate the money to a charity or something. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]RagnaNic 543 points544 points545 points 5 hours ago (37 children) It's nigh on unusable. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]KimJongFunk 64 points65 points66 points 4 hours ago (16 children) I have mild vision problems and it is impossible for me to use the app because of the font sizing and display. This is the end of Reddit for me after all these years. It's been a pleasure shitposting with you all. [violin plays] * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (16 replies) load more comments (20 replies) [-]zatchstar 27 points28 points29 points 4 hours ago (25 children) They drop so much basic functionality. Like being able to sort the main feed outside of subreddits. That should be such a basic feature... * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (25 replies) load more comments (39 replies) [-]cobalt5blue 446 points447 points448 points 5 hours ago (71 children) I wonder if they are intentionally setting it so high, predicting the negative reaction and being the good guys when they "drop" the prices to what wanted all along. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]maxfortitude 625 points626 points627 points 4 hours ago [platinum_4] (43 children) I'm only ever gonna use Apollo, so if it's not manageable for Christian, and Apollo goes under; bye Reddit. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]senseibull 75 points76 points77 points 3 hours ago (31 children) Christian should start a site called Apollo that is a direct competitor to reddit and just switch the back end API calls to his own server. He has numbers already, we all use the app, the foundation is there and we can scrape the web for him and start generating content on there. Christian and co could continue to make the same amount of money more or less with minor adjustments and also potentially bring in ad revenue * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]BagOnuts 26 points27 points28 points 2 hours ago (5 children) Honestly, not a bad idea. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]anon377362 27 points28 points29 points 2 hours ago (4 children) I initially laughed at your comment because of how naive it seemed with regards to the work that would be involved but on second thought I think Christian could pull it off. The Reddit experience is so bad without Apollo or Slide that I'd happily switch over if he created a new site. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (25 replies) [-]TruckFluster 72 points73 points74 points 4 hours ago (1 child) 10000% * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (9 replies) [-]Grouchy_Guitar_Boy 41 points42 points43 points 4 hours ago (4 children) The pricing is designed to put third parties out of business - potentially creating an opportunity for Reddit to purchase once the third party app is near worthless. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (4 replies) [-]angrylawyer 27 points28 points29 points 4 hours ago (0 children) They just want people to switch to the 'free' official app, with tons of ads and way more tracking. Or they charge an insane price to keep using better alternatives. Either way they win. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (21 replies) load more comments (38 replies) [-]Estul 610 points611 points612 points 5 hours ago (27 children) It's been a good run folks * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]PlenitudeOpulence 64 points65 points66 points 3 hours ago (17 children) This is devastating news as a long time Redditor and Apollo user. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (17 replies) load more comments (9 replies) [-]onlysaysnobodycares 9625 points9626 points9627 points 5 hours ago* [silver_48][gold_48]6[p4yzxkaed5]2[80j20o397j][45aeu8mzvs][Bulb_48] [Updoot_48][6vgr8y21i9]& 4 more (1008 children) Bye bye, Reddit. Let me know where you guys are moving to next! * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]HotDogOfNotreDame 1336 points1337 points1338 points 5 hours ago [45aeu8mzvs] (48 children) Apollo makes reddit good. Without Apollo, I'll find somewhere else to spend my time. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]sender_mage 549 points550 points551 points 3 hours ago[p4yzxkaed5] (19 children) 100%. The "official" Reddit app is pure trash as a UX experience and essentially just FaceBook lite. There were some smaller subs I'll miss seeing content in but I'm not going to force myself to deal with that BS when the third party apps choose to back off that unrealistic evaluation. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]katiecharm 24 points25 points26 points 3 hours ago (5 children) And considering how bland and sanitized they will continue to make things leading up to their IPO, I am betting the site just continues to get worse. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]sender_mage 29 points30 points31 points 3 hours ago (4 children) I hope people just accept this site isn't what it was back in 2013 ten years ago and a new, more old school forum site rises to the occasion. The newer form of content sites focusing on super short attention and constant stimulation are so bland; I miss the internet as more of a place for discussion and discovery. Now it's all just distractions and shorter-form / self entertainment. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (13 replies) load more comments (28 replies) [-]Demi_95 5504 points5505 points5506 points 5 hours ago*[gold_48] [Faith_in_H][Bulb_48] (388 children) This is the end for Apollo. Reddit is going in full greed mode which is unsurprising to say the least. Their pricing was designed to kill 3rd party apps. I feel sorry for Christian but I'll follow him for whatever his next endeavor will be. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]MeBeEric 962 points963 points964 points 4 hours ago (91 children) Let's not forget they acquired and killed Alien Blue to get their shitty in-house app launched * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]parentis_shotgun 324 points325 points326 points 4 hours ago* (62 children) M$ tactics. Buying all their competitors then killing them. Circumventing reddit's corporate power is one of the main reasons I work on Lemmy, a reddit alternative for the fediverse. Here's a site with some info on it, and I'd be glad to answer anyone's questions. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (62 replies) load more comments (28 replies) [-]Xanderoga 531 points532 points533 points 4 hours ago (133 children) It was designed to kill 3rd party apps and it has. I'm unsure if I'll be using old.reddit.com instead of their absolute dogshit app. It may just be the end of my nearly decade and a half on this site. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]il1k3c3r34l 634 points635 points636 points 4 hours ago[gold_48] (43 children) I've been here for ten years and can confidently say the only reason I'm still using Reddit is because the Apollo app is so good. I use my phone to browse here 99.9% of the time, and I'm not switching to Reddit's terrible app. So...I guess that means I'll be using Reddit 99.9% less. It's only gone downhill in the years I've been here anyway, I'll cut it out of my life the same way I cut out Facebook and Twitter. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Xanderoga 46 points47 points48 points 3 hours ago (5 children) You're right -- reddit has been complete ass for years now. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]TheNimbleBanana 37 points38 points39 points 3 hours ago (4 children) Niche subreddits are still real good but most of the big ones that hit the front page are pretty bleh. But then again this has been true for over a decade. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (37 replies) [-]RestoreFear 208 points209 points210 points 4 hours ago (69 children) No way they keep supporting old.reddit.com * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]FrostWolf_Cola 173 points174 points175 points 4 hours ago (55 children) If I ever have to use something other than Apollo, I use old.reddit... I think I will just be done with this site permanently. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Ltrly_Htlr 37 points38 points39 points 3 hours ago (32 children) Same. Exactly the same. This move will alienate many long term Reddit users. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]boozeBeforeBoobs 37 points38 points39 points 3 hours ago (16 children) Been on reddit since the beginning with various accounts over the years. If old.reddit.com dies, I will be gone. Deep links force me to the current site sometimes and it is painfully bad. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (16 replies) load more comments (15 replies) [-]HVDynamo 29 points30 points31 points 3 hours ago (12 children) Yup, if old Reddit and Apollo go away I'm done. I can't stand the default app or new website. It's all hot garbage. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (12 replies) load more comments (9 replies) load more comments (13 replies) load more comments (19 replies) [-]5tyhnmik 1578 points1579 points1580 points 4 hours ago (96 children) Reddit is going in full greed mode which is unsurprising to say the least. You can say that again. They've even perma-banned people just for reporting bots because the bots are more valuable towards their upcoming IPO. It would be a shame if they got class-action sued pursuant to the fact that bans deny access to spending karma on awards which can also be purchased with real money, therefore bans have a direct monetary impact. I'm too lazy to participate but will be very entertaining to watch when it inevitably happens. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (96 replies) [-]JayLime 116 points117 points118 points 4 hours ago (5 children) I switched to Android years ago but stayed subbed here because you guys and Christian are just awesome. I'll follow you all wherever we go next * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (5 replies) load more comments (59 replies) [-]Plutters 998 points999 points1000 points 5 hours ago[Rocket_48] (102 children) This is perfect. I was just thinking about cutting back my phone usage (because I use Reddit practically all day, every day), but now Reddit has made the decision for me. 10 years of my life I've wasted on here, but no more. Thanks Reddit! * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]graphicsnerdo 314 points315 points316 points 5 hours ago (69 children) Same. Going on 15 years now with Reddit (I was a Digg refugee). Sad to see them going this way, but the only constant is change. I just wish there was a similar site out there that could resurrect Old.Reddit and just make that the default for itself and move on from there. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]LetItHappenAlready 77 points78 points79 points 4 hours ago (17 children) Fifteen years here too. A couple accounts later. Maybe this will finally get me to kick this addiction. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (17 replies) load more comments (51 replies) load more comments (32 replies) [-]kayk1 226 points227 points228 points 5 hours ago (37 children) They are never too big to fail * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (37 replies) [-]parentis_shotgun 222 points223 points224 points 4 hours ago [5nswjpyy44] (115 children) Circumventing reddit's corporate power is one of the main reasons I work on Lemmy, a reddit alternative for the fediverse. Here's a site with some info on it, and I'd be glad to answer anyone's questions. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]narrowscoped 62 points63 points64 points 4 hours ago (32 children) This seems really cool but we need mass adoption. I wish I knew how to get you there man... The platform is only as good as the number of users on it, that's reddit's strength. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]parentis_shotgun 49 points50 points51 points 3 hours ago (22 children) I agree. Its really difficult to overcome the first-mover advantage, but I still believe strongly that federation is our best hope. So I really support people running their own instances, and developing federated software. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (22 replies) load more comments (9 replies) load more comments (82 replies) load more comments (313 replies) [-]TACkleBr 3655 points3656 points3657 points 5 hours ago[gold_48] [Illuminati][Starry_48] (134 children) Reddit is jealous that you made a better app. Shame on the greed. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]hoovadoova 907 points908 points909 points 4 hours ago[gold_48] (85 children) There was a good app before and the developer got hired by reddit which was a win-win for him. His app used to be the golden standard before. Maybe Christian will go to the other side like the other dev did? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]theArtOfProgramming 1164 points1165 points1166 points 4 hours ago* (74 children) Reddit bought alien blue iirc and seemingly tossed all the source code and came out with whatever their current app is * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]hoovadoova 653 points654 points655 points 4 hours ago (41 children) Alien Blue - yes, loved it so much and it had even a terrific iPad app! * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]SirAdrian0000 219 points220 points221 points 4 hours ago (27 children) I recall they gave all the alien blue used like 3 years of Reddit premium when they shut it down. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]orangetwentythree 231 points232 points233 points 4 hours ago (17 children) It was 4 years, I had it * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Savesomeposts 97 points98 points99 points 3 hours ago (8 children) Yeah and when it ran out and I saw ads again I bailed so fucking fast, which is when I found Apollo. I won't be staying if it happens again. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (8 replies) load more comments (8 replies) load more comments (9 replies) [-]one800higgins 27 points28 points29 points 3 hours ago (0 children) I consider Apollo the spiritual successor to Alien Blue. I kind of forgot until just now that they weren't the same app and that Reddit bought it and killed it. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (12 replies) load more comments (32 replies) load more comments (10 replies) [-]PutridUniversity 209 points210 points211 points 4 hours ago (23 children) It's obvious they're trying to get rid of external apps like Apollo. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (23 replies) load more comments (24 replies) [-]Son_Of_Cthulhu 800 points801 points802 points 5 hours ago* [gold_48] (143 children) Some people might not be old enough to remember when digg.com made a bunch of changes during the transition to v4. Digg was huge at the time. They thought they were literally unstoppable, but just like myspace and many companies before them, their names are unknown to many. It will be weird transitioning away from Reddit like the companies before, but I guess, in the tech world it eventually becomes inevitable... * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]JDgoesmarching 346 points347 points348 points 4 hours ago* [p4yzxkaed5] (47 children) I was part of that migration, but I think this underestimates the amount of consolidation the internet has experienced since then and the power of the network effects for being the dominant player in this domain for over a decade. Realistically, there aren't analogues to Reddit the way there were for Digg. While Digg looms large in our minds, they were doing ~30m monthly active users at their peak while Reddit currently pulls in around half a billion. Especially with younger generations moving heavily to video, I don't think we're going to see a primarily text/image forum platform that challenges Reddit in the near future. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]catsupatree 136 points137 points138 points 3 hours ago (25 children) Problem for Reddit is, what network do I have on here? I like Twitter, Instagram, et. all because of the people I follow, whether friends or celebrities. Despite Reddit's efforts, I don't do that here. If I deleted my account, nobody would ask where I went, I wouldn't miss anyone specifically. Sure, I wouldn't be able to mindlessly scroll, but that's about it. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Monkibizness 51 points52 points53 points 3 hours ago (3 children) nobody would ask where I went Cmon now, all those porn bot accounts that follow us will be super sad that we left. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (3 replies) [-]Technojerk36 37 points38 points39 points 3 hours ago (11 children) It's more about the communities and knowledge that have centralized onto reddit. Anytime I search for anything on the web I always add reddit to the end of the search. I know I'll find good discussion and reviews from real people about whatever I'm searching for. It could be about a product category, a specific product or even just something about a mechanic in a video game. I don't see how another website can replace reddit at this point. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (11 replies) load more comments (9 replies) load more comments (21 replies) [-]gasbrake 42 points43 points44 points 4 hours ago (10 children) The fact I had to scroll this far down to see first mention of Digg reflects just how complete the destruction of Digg was. The parallels are uncanny. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (10 replies) [-]Zak8022 19 points20 points21 points 4 hours ago (3 children) "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain." Seems clear which direction Digg went, and somewhat Twitter, and somehow Reddit hasn't learned anything. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (3 replies) load more comments (80 replies) [-]robbiet480 549 points550 points551 points 5 hours ago (10 children) What the fuck * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]NCSUGrad2012 28 points29 points30 points 4 hours ago (5 children) Reddit is greedy assholes. Nothing new there * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (5 replies) load more comments (4 replies) [-]Gizoogle 521 points522 points523 points 5 hours ago (30 children) If 3rd party apps are priced out of existence just because Reddit is trying to funnel users into its own app, I'm done with Reddit. Simple as. Content will go to absolute shit anyways if you evaporate that many users, so no loss. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]TACkleBr 166 points167 points168 points 5 hours ago (5 children) I'm using this app for privacy reasons. Reddit is full of telemetry. I use troddit.com on the web to post. I have my own self hosted libreddit if I'm just lurking. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (5 replies) load more comments (24 replies) [-]PancakeMaster24 1196 points1197 points1198 points 5 hours ago (49 children) I'm so sorry u/iamthatis. As a beta tester since your first post on r/apple i have loved this app (even in the rebuild period right before release all those years ago). The ios based design, the amazing features, and everything else has been outstanding. I know you've spent so much time, money, and effort coding this app and it's honestly the best app I've ever used truly. No matter what happens or what the future holds (new app or dramatic changes) I think I speak for all beta testers that we'll support you always. Godspeed mate * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]iamthatisApollo Developer[S] 238 points239 points240 points 2 hours ago (46 children) Thanks for being with me so long :) That post feels both ages ago and just like yesterday * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (46 replies) [-]principled_principal 23 points24 points25 points 3 hours ago (0 children) I've been an Apollo subscriber/ultra user since 2017, which I think is pretty close to the beginning. I agree it's the best app with the best support available. Definitely plan to keep supporting u/ iamthatis in whatever venture comes next. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) [-]JohnnyFiama 1614 points1615 points1616 points 5 hours ago [5izbv4fn0m][Sunny_48] (14 children) Christian - First and foremost I would like to acknowledge the pain that you are likely feeling right now. People can say what they want about building a business atop public APIs, but it is clear you had developed a solid working relationship with the company behind it, and so had every reason to believe these shenanigans would not occur. I truly hope you find someway in which to salvage the Apollo product, and that it remains viable for you in the longterm. All my best! * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]scullys_alien_baby 502 points503 points504 points 4 hours ago* (8 children) as much as this makes me mad at reddit, I'm also really feeling for Christian. Dude has put a lot of his time making a career out of apollo which helped build up reddit and now he's looking down the barrel of that career disappearing. He seems clever and talented so here's hoping he can figure out a good financial move from here. Depending how it shakes out, I wouldn't blame him for shuttering Apollo and finding a job doing something else * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]ShamelessDisaster 93 points94 points95 points 3 hours ago (7 children) This is this mans likelihood and also his 'big project' that he's put his heart and soul into. It's really not fair to him being as he actually brings people TO the platform BECAUSE OF his app. Read this whole post, most people here are ready to leave if 3rd party apps can't survive, and they're essentially trying to push this man out not realizing how many people are here BC OF him and his work to make this shithole site easier to use. I went onto Reddit from my PC the other day after years of being on Apollo and holy shit if it isn't the most clunky and absurdly set up site I've come across in a long time. It feel so outdated (yes even on new Reddit) and I found all the shit all over the screen in every direction and available pixel so distracting that the site is basically useless to me. I can only imagine how terrible their app is... which I might add was a 3rd party app at one time that Reddit bought and then ran into the ground. I'd be willing to pay to use Apollo monthly but I shouldn't have to. I have already invested a bunch of money in the app by buying ultra and pro and whatever else it's got, along with sending Christian coffees when I can. I will not be using the Reddit app or site tho. Now or ever. So Reddit should really rethink how they are treating u/ iamthatis after all he's done to revive this dump of a place. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]i_dont_wash_my_hands 27 points28 points29 points 2 hours ago (1 child) Reddit doesn't care though. They don't want users like us. We eat servers and block ads. They want new users that use official apps/ site so they control data/tracking/ads. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (5 replies) load more comments (5 replies) [-]staile 877 points878 points879 points 5 hours ago[p4yzxkaed5] (28 children) Their pricing is outlandish. If they don't compromise or another solution isn't found, well I certainly won't be an active Reddit user any longer as I use Apollo almost exclusively. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]BigGucciThanos 289 points290 points291 points 5 hours ago (14 children) Yeah. Reddits main function is comments and reading a thread on the official app is abysmal. I'd probably drop the platform all together * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]staile 67 points68 points69 points 5 hours ago (5 children) Yep it's nothing that can't be recreated elsewhere. I think there's going to continue to be more interest in decentralized platforms anyhow. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (5 replies) load more comments (8 replies) load more comments (13 replies) [-]Piemeson 391 points392 points393 points 5 hours ago (14 children) Just chiming in to say, if the pricing change goes through, I'll be leaving the platform as well. It was plenty easy with Twitter, and nothing of value was lost. I've lost all patience for tech platforms using one strategy to make it big then "pivot" and screw over the people who got them there. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]glasswindbreaker 21 points22 points23 points 4 hours ago (0 children) I feel exactly the same. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]bodnast 25 points26 points27 points 3 hours ago (5 children) The moment tweetdeck stopped working, I was done with Twitter. And it'll be the same with me for Apollo and Reddit. I've been on this dumb website for over 12 years and it's been frustrating seeing how things are going * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (5 replies) load more comments (7 replies) [-]austingriffis 683 points684 points685 points 5 hours ago [0o2j782f00] (17 children) I guess I'll start reading books, or maybe spend more time with my kids. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]tewha 256 points257 points258 points 5 hours ago (0 children) I had the same thought, but why punish my teenager because reddit's pricing is insane? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (16 replies) [-]cyrand 323 points324 points325 points 5 hours ago[9jr8pv84v7] (27 children) What drives me nuts with this, and I've said it before, but I actually do subscribe to Reddit Premium. So why in the fuck do they care which app I access the api through after that? I'm already paying what they decided they need to not show me ads. But if I'm not also using Apollo then instead my solution will be to not use the site at all, or pay for it. What world are they in that is an improvement for their business? * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]Darkencypher 154 points155 points156 points 5 hours ago (3 children) It's so some suit can feel good about themselves while they rip apart their company * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (3 replies) [-]Shaddix-be 53 points54 points55 points 5 hours ago (8 children) Yeah, the least they could do is allow third party apps for premium users. It would be a no brainer for me to get premium. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (8 replies) load more comments (14 replies) [-]MacZealot 312 points313 points314 points 5 hours ago[SnooClappi] [CrabRave_4] (11 children) Reddit deciding to Digg their own grave. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply load more comments (11 replies) [-]MRNAIH 130 points131 points132 points 5 hours ago (33 children) I wonder how long it will be before Reddit disables old.reddit.com much like i.reddit.com before it. Without old Reddit and/or apollo this site isn't worth browsing. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]DurdenVsDarkoVsDevon 65 points66 points67 points 3 hours ago (12 children) I'd take a bet that Old Reddit is dead in 12 months. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]UncleArthur 36 points37 points38 points 3 hours ago (11 children) If it is, I'm out of here too. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (11 replies) load more comments (20 replies) [-]rizzu26 131 points132 points133 points 5 hours ago (3 children) Omg. I don't wanna see Apollo in the state of Tweetbot. But looks like there is no other way as of now. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply load more comments (3 replies) [-]SplashyMcPants 125 points126 points127 points 5 hours ago (3 children) Yeah this is a "go away, Christian" move. They want to kill your app. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply load more comments (3 replies) [-]bawpcwpn 1711 points1712 points1713 points 5 hours ago (175 children) This is really shit Christian. Can only hope they come around to a new ideal. For what it's worth however, if it cost $2.50/$3 a month to use Apollo, would probably gladly pay it to have a great reddit experience and support someone worthwhile. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]ineedlesssleep 877 points878 points879 points 5 hours ago* (147 children) It seems like you would have to pay 5 per month to make it sustainable for Christian. How do people feel about that number? This is so shitty from reddit's side. Edit: You gotta love that people want to pay so much for a third party app, but not for the platform itself. Reddit is really missing out here. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]bawpcwpn 404 points405 points406 points 5 hours ago (5 children) Ahh didn't realise that. Certainly in my realm but understand it's a tough sell for many. Really makes you question why Reddit are trying a Twitter when you can see how well that's going * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]mementori 31 points32 points33 points 3 hours ago (0 children) IPO incoming, can't have your user base subverting ads like that and leaving money on the table. I disagree with the method but that's my understanding of their strategy here. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]doctor_who_17 47 points48 points49 points 4 hours ago (0 children) Greed is short sighted * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (3 replies) [-]Beadlocks 253 points254 points255 points 5 hours ago (63 children) I'll pay $5 easily without issue. Hell make it $8 and I'll still fucking pay for Apollo. Make it the same price of trash shit Twitter blue and Apollo will give you more worth ten fold * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]SirMaster 211 points212 points213 points 4 hours ago (46 children) But will you pay that when most of the users have left reddit due to the new policy and most of the communities basically die? You are assuming that the userbase and activity level stays the same after this change. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Beadlocks 44 points45 points46 points 4 hours ago (7 children) That mostly depends how the users either adapt to the change or fully quit the platform. For most, Reddit is the place where these communities can exist. Unless another platform pops up, tight knit communities will stay. Sure we'd lose a bulk amount but I'd rather have something than nothing. Edit: as far as pricing and worth goes, Apollo is the only app sub I've paid for the the last 5 years or so. Christian deserves the support. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (7 replies) load more comments (38 replies) load more comments (16 replies) load more comments (77 replies) [-]stephenwraysford 154 points155 points156 points 5 hours ago (4 children) I share that sentiment, but it sounds as though all of that money would go to Reddit and none would go to Christian, especially if Apple were to take a cut via the in-app purchasing route. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Tsujita_daikokuya 33 points34 points35 points 3 hours ago (2 children) Yeah, reddits not worth $5 per month when you factor in how much they don't care about the users. If this money went to Apollo, that'd be different. Most mods are terrible, I don't even know if they're paid. Every change they make just makes Reddit worse. They don't do anything about the Russian trolls (remember the 2016 & 2020 elections???) Also, the most abominable affront to human decency. They banned nsfw subs from /All. Like yo, where am I supposed to scroll and casually look at naked people now. I really just come here for news now, but I'm not paying $5 a month to find out how many people die by jumping off boats in a year. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (1 reply) [-]Google_it_bro 50 points51 points52 points 5 hours ago (0 children) For what it's worth I would as well. Apollo is great, and I'll never use the native app. 95%+ of my time on Reddit is mobile, so I'll pay you, or I'll quit Reddit I guess. [?] * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (21 replies) [-]_vmstan 240 points241 points242 points 5 hours ago (4 children) The only reason I even bother using Reddit is because if Apollo. So... * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]Zythyx0 37 points38 points39 points 4 hours ago (0 children) I've tried dropping Apollo, but Reddits base app/website on mobile is awful, so I keep coming back. I guess when we lose Apollo, Reddit loses me too * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (3 replies) [-]LuigiScaredAF 113 points114 points115 points 5 hours ago (0 children) Sorry Christian, that's a terrible situation to be in. I can't imagine * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]LinuxLuva114ikjkjk 112 points113 points114 points 5 hours ago (79 children) Are there any Reddit alternatives? * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]skucera 175 points176 points177 points 5 hours ago (7 children) Ugh, Apollo was it for me. (I know it's Reddit, but it's so much better than the Reddit app it's almost a different site). * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]glasswindbreaker 32 points33 points34 points 4 hours ago (5 children) Exactly. The experience on the regular reddit app is so degraded I'd barely use it. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (5 replies) load more comments (1 reply) [-]andypiperuk 43 points44 points45 points 5 hours ago (39 children) In the Fediverse there is Lemmy, for example. As usual, network effects make Reddit more "sticky" than those, at least initially. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]parentis_shotgun 59 points60 points61 points 4 hours ago (35 children) One of the devs of lemmy here. I'd be glad to answer anyone's questions! Here's a site where ppl can learn more about it: https:// join-lemmy.org * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (35 replies) load more comments (3 replies) [-]gnulynnux 22 points23 points24 points 4 hours ago (4 children) Reddit used to be open-source, and there are some offshoots of the original source, but AFAIK none are actively maintained. Postmill is decent to self-host but doesn't have a native app. It's mostly used by small communities. Lemmy is the big alternative in the Fediverse. Tildes.net and Lobste.rs are great to browse, with much less grift than Hacker News, but are invite only. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (26 replies) [-]raygan 480 points481 points482 points 5 hours ago (28 children) Ugh. This is insane. When Twitter pulled this shit and rug-pulled third party clients (the only way I tolerated their platform) I took the hint and left. It would be hard to replace Reddit, but I guarantee I'd use it nearly zero without Apollo. If this is about ad revenue I'd be perfectly fine with a system where Apollo could show Reddit ads. I just don't want to use their psychotic, bottom of the barrel native web and app interfaces. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]stupid-donkey 123 points124 points125 points 5 hours ago (3 children) Yeah, when Tweetbot stopped working I stopped using Twitter. If Apollo goes so goes Reddit. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (3 replies) [-]maxfortitude 28 points29 points30 points 4 hours ago (6 children) Fuck that dude, I don't want to see any Reddit ad revenue bullshit. The beauty of Apollo Ultra was seeing the forum as it is, not with someone pushing some cheaply made crap on me with every click. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (6 replies) load more comments (17 replies) [-]thefx37 103 points104 points105 points 5 hours ago (10 children) Reddit is just mad that they can't make a non-shitty app. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]reaper527 77 points78 points79 points 4 hours ago (5 children) Reddit is just mad that they can't make a non-shitty app. even when they bought a good app (alienblue) they discontinued it and replaced it with crap. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]SB62 24 points25 points26 points 4 hours ago (0 children) just like twitter did with Tweetie * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (4 replies) [-]throwingawaysaturday 462 points463 points464 points 5 hours ago (43 children) /u/spez - you know how your userbase can be when riled up for a common cause. You effectively killing Apollo will be magnitudes worse than the ellen pao fiasco. Do what is right. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]Call_erv_duty 183 points184 points185 points 3 hours ago (10 children) Last comment he made was 10 months ago, u/spez doesn't give a single shit about users. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Neato 47 points48 points49 points 3 hours ago (7 children) I'm sure he just ninja-posts as other users now instead of anything attributable to the slave-wanting persona he has. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (7 replies) load more comments (2 replies) [-]NCSUGrad2012 211 points212 points213 points 4 hours ago (6 children) Spoiler alert, he won't. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]randomguyonleddit 29 points30 points31 points 2 hours ago (3 children) Aaron Swartz would be disappointed but what else is new. Reddit goes public, they will short the fuck out of the stock making hundreds of millions and then Reddit just floats like a turd on its success until eventually a new platform comes along. Best thing you can do is honestly limit your time on Reddit and slowly move towards other communities. Sure, most platforms suck and have their issues, but Reddit is a social media platform at the end of the day trying to make a profit off you so do what works best for you. I'll still come to a few niche subreddits to view discussions, nothing much outside of that. Might even go back to 4chan. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (3 replies) load more comments (2 replies) [-]katiecharm 45 points46 points47 points 3 hours ago (10 children) It will literally end Reddit for the majority of us. And if Apollo creates a social media website like Reddit named Apollo, it'll have a million users in a week. And I'll be one of them. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]LeMickeyMice 33 points34 points35 points 3 hours ago (1 child) Yeah instead of paying to use Apollo for Reddit I'd gladly pay to use Apollo for Apollo if it got enough of a start up userbase * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (8 replies) load more comments (14 replies) [-]RedditCunByRunts 88 points89 points90 points 5 hours ago (6 children) Damn I just found this app * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]Aktionjackson 27 points28 points29 points 4 hours ago (2 children) Haha that sucks. It's been my only social media for years. I don't even know how many * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (3 replies) [-]coolaaron88 85 points86 points87 points 5 hours ago (9 children) Wow this news is devastating, that is in no way feasible for ANY third party dev to keep the lights own. Reddit must have a death sentence. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]Darkencypher 58 points59 points60 points 5 hours ago (7 children) Because what happened to MySpace, Tumblr, digg and shortly Twitter deeeffffinitllly won't happen to them. Nope. Tell the future by looking at the past * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]coolaaron88 23 points24 points25 points 5 hours ago (0 children) "Those that don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it." * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (6 replies) load more comments (1 reply) [-]Pickle3xpr3ss 200 points201 points202 points 5 hours ago* (19 children) I hate the way companies are going right now, everything is about subscriptions and collecting user data from ads to sell and distribute. Companies are just so greedy and opposed to peoples privacy. Christian has put years into making Apollo and has also made a living from it, he has made a lot of people enjoy an Ad free, smooth experience whilst browsing subreddits and has also made people fall in love with cute pixel pals. Even Apple showed off his app (in a subtle but obvious way) and gave it app of the day. My point is all this work Christian has done is being put on the line all because Reddit wants to be greedy and get more cash and more users to switch over to their crappy Ad riddled app and subscribe to Reddit premium. So I guess there is only a few options: 1) We all leave Reddit 2) We switch back to the reddit app and get forced to see ads unless we pay. 3) We all complain to Reddit 4) joint petition with other third party Reddit apps 5) REDDIT RETHINKS THEIR CHOICE OF PRICING * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply load more comments (19 replies) [-]TheYann 63 points64 points65 points 5 hours ago (0 children) This is absurd pricing and they know it. Seems like they really want to kill all third-party apps this way. It was nice to use Apollo during those years, I hope it can survive this but I'm not very optimistic. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]ILOVESHITTINGMYPANTS 61 points62 points63 points 5 hours ago (1 child) Terrible news that will probably result in me not using Reddit anymore just like I dropped Twitter once Tweetbot stopped working. The official Reddit app is simply not a good experience and I won't be using it. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) [-]Mqxi 99 points100 points101 points 5 hours ago (22 children) Might as well take the effort you've put in and build your own platform utilizing most of what Apollo already offers. Though, I'm sure Apollo is entirely built around Reddit, and it's API, so it would basically need to be rewritten to go without. Sucks that Reddit is eliminating third party applications without saying it... * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]ElectronGuru 39 points40 points41 points 2 hours ago* (5 children) Focus here Christian, The ballgame in web/apps is eyeballs. Google has eyeballs, Facebook has eyeballs, Reddit has eyeballs. And a significant % of Reddit's eyeballs are controlled by Apollo. You get to influence what those people (us) do. Push out an update announcing a new Apollo specific platform requiring new registration and see how many choose you vs switching to reddit's own app. I bet the number is high enough to more than justify making a new back end to support it. Give us the choice between their platform and their app and your platform with your app. Many will choose to dump reddit and follow you. You would also control membership and gain unlimited flexibility for backend features, making your experience the one to beat! note1: make a family subscription pack supporting multiple IDs under a single account (ala Apple ID) and we'll sign up tomorrow! note2: many people would directly support such a venture, including investors and employees. i would pull up my own sleeves to help, just ask * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (5 replies) [-]notthecolorblue 36 points37 points38 points 4 hours ago (2 children) Perhaps he can keep the front end the same though. Obviously some features will have to be pulled or hidden, but it's a beautiful app and I'd hate to see it go to waste. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (13 replies) [-]andypiperuk 51 points52 points53 points 5 hours ago (0 children) Yikes. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]harhaus 50 points51 points52 points 5 hours ago (27 children) What is the mastodon equivalent of reddit? * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]FreshCutBrass 47 points48 points49 points 5 hours ago (17 children) Lemmy and kbin. for Lemmy, just keep in mind that their flagship instance has turned extremely pro-Russian. luckily, the beauty of the Fediverse is that there's plenty of other instances to choose from. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (17 replies) load more comments (9 replies) [-]cobalt5blue 55 points56 points57 points 5 hours ago (5 children) Reddit, ironically has big Digg energy of late. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply load more comments (5 replies) [-]jimbo831 53 points54 points55 points 5 hours ago (0 children) I guess the end of my time on Reddit approaches. I'm not switching to their much worse app. It has been an honor shitposting with you all. Where are we moving to? * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]MadisonDelta 1381 points1382 points1383 points 5 hours ago (84 children) There's no other way of saying this, this sucks. Upside, did Reddit just give Apollo a $20m per year valuation? If you haven't already, get a transactional lawyer for negotiations. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]iamthatisApollo Developer[S] 93 points94 points95 points 2 hours ago (12 children) Wow, I didn't think of it like that * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Scioso 47 points48 points49 points 2 hours ago (1 child) They're just trying to destroy Apollo. Your app doesn't have ads or tracking, so you're a barrier to their monetization. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (10 replies) [-]Shaddix-be 666 points667 points668 points 5 hours ago (30 children) And that's 20m YRR. Usually companies sell for 3-5 times the YRR. I'de try to sell them Apollo for 30m and telling them they are getting a great deal. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]messem10 427 points428 points429 points 4 hours ago (19 children) Sell for 40-50 million and ride off into the sunset. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Geoff_12889 415 points416 points417 points 4 hours ago (10 children) Honestly as much as it'd suck, Christian would come out a king for all the hard work he's put in throughout the years. If Apollo is going away, he might as well get something out of it. I still won't use Reddit without 3rd party apps like Alien Blue and Apollo, just like I gave up Twitter when Twitterific and TweetBot went away. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]bodnast 52 points53 points54 points 4 hours ago (4 children) When the bag presents itself, you gotta take it * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (5 replies) load more comments (8 replies) load more comments (10 replies) [-]kryptomicron 309 points310 points311 points 4 hours ago (18 children) Upside, did Reddit just give Apollo a $20m per year valuation? No, Christian just calculated one cost of operating Apollo. Businesses aren't valuable because of their expenses. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (18 replies) load more comments (21 replies) [-]lastsonofkrypton007 87 points88 points89 points 5 hours ago (2 children) This is terrible. Reddit is doing this to Apollo (and other clients) when their iOS app sucks and leaves users in a nowhere to go situation. I hope you do your best with the app. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]NCSUGrad2012 27 points28 points29 points 4 hours ago (1 child) Not only is the interface terrible but it's full of ads. Ugh. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) [-]Undead-Guardian 38 points39 points40 points 5 hours ago (0 children) This will be the end of reddit. It's been a fun and memorable time with all of you. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]RoboticChicken 42 points43 points44 points 5 hours ago (5 children) I'm not sure if Apollo falls under their definition of "large-scale applications", but if it does, maybe we could (as individual users) register for free tier access and supply our own OAuth credentials? * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply load more comments (5 replies) [-]StellarForReddit 39 points40 points41 points 5 hours ago (1 child) Thank you for keeping the community updated, Christian! This was a tough read, but not entirely unexpected. It goes without saying that this was always the plan, with the Reddit team dangling a carrot on a stick to keep us placated in the meantime. It is very telling they are using you as a punching bag for being the bearer of bad news. They could have easily created a pricing page and announced it that way. Weirdly amateurish but again, not surprising. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) [-]V0bWdPbCK7k7j 74 points75 points76 points 5 hours ago (3 children) Ugh, what a mess. I definitely won't be paying $5-10 per month just to doom scroll. Might be time to go through my saved posts and get the info I need out of them while I still can. On the up side, maybe a business opportunity here . . . * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply load more comments (3 replies) [-]broseph23 36 points37 points38 points 5 hours ago (0 children) This is a disgusting tactic by Reddit. I literally only use Apollo for Reddit. Without Apollo I don't use Reddit. I know so many people that do the same. The native app is garbage. The website looks like it's from 2002. Christian I wish you the best of luck. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]generic230 125 points126 points127 points 4 hours ago* (8 children) This is heartbreaking. I'm 67 and I'm so tired of the greed everywhere. Greed that damages quality and innovation. Greed that's about sucking the teat dry and ruining the very thing Apollo helped them achieve. Edit: misspelled teat. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply load more comments (8 replies) [-]thecw 29 points30 points31 points 5 hours ago (0 children) Absolutely exhausted of tech companies getting big on VC money and then stabbing the people who helped make them big in the back. I really hope this + twitter is the beginning of the end for proprietary social media sites. APIs forever. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]CalebImSoMetal 32 points33 points34 points 5 hours ago (0 children) Please keep us updated on all of your projects. If reddit apollo isnt a thing anymore, im probably not going to use reddit except in browser. Youve been the best developer ive ever been proud to support. Id gladly pay for any of the other projects or products that you have a hand in. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]Vestalmin 31 points32 points33 points 5 hours ago (0 children) I will legit stop using Reddit before I use their app. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]reaper527 33 points34 points35 points 5 hours ago (4 children) it really sucks how there isn't any real alternative to reddit. there's basically 2 types of sites: 1. sites that are COMPLETELY different from reddit (facebook/twitter /etc.) 2. sites that are reddit-like but are EXTREMELY tiny (hundreds of users). ruqqus looked promising, but fell apart quick. i don't suppose there is any way users can apply for their own api key (i thought reddit said there would be a free tier) and put their own key into apollo to offload how much work your api key would have to process? like, for the youtube plugin on kodi, people have to get their own (free) api key from google to make it work, and they just put that key in the config. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply load more comments (4 replies) [-]sunbeam60 32 points33 points34 points 3 hours ago* (1 child) This isn't pricing to what a Reddit user costs Reddit to run. This is pricing to what they expect a Reddit user to make them, once they have forced everyone over to the official channels AND then mine our profiles to force us to watch adds on channels where we can't escape. This isn't about killing external 3rd party apps per se - it's about making sure they'll make the same or more one way or the other. I've been a Reddit user for 17 years. This will make me leave. ... and it isn't just because reddit has great third party clients. It's because it's the first clear sign about what reddit wants to turn into. ... and to that I say: Fuck you reddit! * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) [-]TheRedBadger 54 points55 points56 points 4 hours ago (2 children) So sorry to hear this, Christian. Two quick thoughts here which I'm sure are being shared by many users of Apollo: * I will NOT use Reddit without Apollo. This is a technical stance in that there is no other mobile solution that even comes close to the Apollo experience. This also a principled stance because Reddit is clearly embracing the enshittification of their product. It's the same as Twitter, and at least Twitter isn't even trying to put a good spin on their efforts. I will vote with my feet and refuse to reward social networks that attempt this. * I will gladly pay double the subscription price to cover my usage costs. I hope others who are financially able will feel similarly. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply load more comments (2 replies) [-]topredditbot 56 points57 points58 points 3 hours ago (3 children) Hey /u/iamthatis, This is now the top post on reddit. It will be recorded at /r/ topofreddit with all the other top posts. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply load more comments (3 replies) [-]Stadtaffe09 24 points25 points26 points 5 hours ago (0 children) Hopefully they will drop these numbers. The original Reddit app just sucks. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]ottoman42 23 points24 points25 points 5 hours ago (0 children) Damn this sucks. As I only use Reddit because of Apollo. Sad to see it go. I'm sorry they are screwing you. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]Super-Garden 29 points30 points31 points 4 hours ago (0 children) I left Twitter when Tweetbot was killed. I will leave Reddit if Apollo is killed. I pay/paid for subscriptions to both, they are what made using these websites on mobile enjoyable instead of having to suffer through using the official apps. I am sorry that this is happening to you Christian, it's deeply unfair that Reddit have pulled the rug on you and your users. I hope they reconsider as their pricing is far from being "based in reality". * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]hightrix 26 points27 points28 points 4 hours ago (7 children) To everyone leaving, take your "value" with you. Delete all your content from reddit. There are many tools, find one and use it. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply load more comments (7 replies) [-]Brian_K9 25 points26 points27 points 4 hours ago (6 children) Dude just make ur own reddit competitor * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]rjames24000 24 points25 points26 points 3 hours ago (3 children) There's enough Apollo users to make this a viable option.. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (3 replies) load more comments (2 replies) [-]HazelTheGolden 22 points23 points24 points 5 hours ago (0 children) Any chance we could use our own Reddit API credentials and pay for our own fees? That's how I'm still using a third party Twitter app... (well not the paying part but using my own API keys) * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]TheOrbOfAgamotto 19 points20 points21 points 5 hours ago (1 child) Day 1 user here with beta access and have paid for lifetime license. This is really hard to chew given that it's the community that generates value for Reddit. This is an Apollo killing move. No third-party app can survive under such pricing. Seriously, hit me up if you want to build a Mastodon for Reddit. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) [-]billyok 20 points21 points22 points 4 hours ago (1 child) Going public always ruins companies. Full stop. 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