https://www.linkedin.com/posts/gergelyorosz_hiring-softwareengineering-google-activity-6955782106832592896-MPnL Skip to main content LinkedIn Gergely Orosz Expand search * Jobs * People * Learning [Gergely ] Dismiss [Orosz ] Dismiss [ ] Dismiss [Byron Center, MI ] Dismiss [ ] Dismiss Join now Sign in Gergely Orosz's Post Gergely Orosz 15h * Edited * Report this post Just in: Google, GitHub, and Azure are freezing hiring effective immediately. Most software engineers in the hiring pipelines are impacted. The reason? Economic conditions. I confirmed that GitHub sent a variation of the below email to many software engineers who were in the hiring pipeline at various stages - from just starting to interview to waiting on offer. As with freezes, GitHub continues to hire for strategic/key hires, but the "generic" hiring pipeline is now closed. For Google: they have frozen hiring for two weeks. This is expected to be to re-distribute the now reduced headcount and take away HC from teams that should not hire (I covered their recent slowdown in The Pragmatic Engineer at https://lnkd.in/gj6J7ti5) For Azure: headcount is frozen and headcount can only be approved with VP-level approval. Meta software engineering hiring has already been frozen since March - below E6, save for Production Engineers - and so has Twitter. Big Tech hiring is freezing up very fast. We will feel the impact of this freeze across the industry, as Big Tech has been a major factor pulling up compensation packages. This pull will be gone, and "top of market" offers that they offer will be more rare, and more hard to get. I'll be analyzing the current market situation in today's The Pragmatic Engineer issue which you can sign up for here: https://lnkd.in/grXSBkVw #hiring #softwareengineering #google # github #azure #microsoft --- Follow me for content on software engineering at Big Tech and startups. Subscribe to The Pragmatic Engineer for deep dives on these topics. * 596 42 Comments Like Comment Share * LinkedIn * Facebook * Twitter Jenni Meek 26m * Report this comment PlayStation is Hiring and it's not slowing down! Join Us! Like Reply 1 Like Marco De Bortoli 1h * Report this comment I read your recent post with both interest and also confusion. On this end I have you reporting a clear down in the job opening side of things and I trust you enough to believe it's a real thing, on the other end though I still receive regular job offers and I also have a lots of recruiters contacts who tell me the market is quite hectic and busy at the moment. So what is it really happening is my question? Like Reply Becky Lee-Roche 4h * Report this comment We're still actively hiring software engineers here at Datafold - we're a fully remote, globally distributed team that are in growth mode (thoughtful and considered growth mode!). I'd love to here from anyone who's currently on the lookout for their next move Like Reply 1 Like Aditya Rohilla 4h * Report this comment Sad to hear about more companies laying off / freezing hiring left and right. It hurts the candidates in the pipeline the most. Hope they navigate this without much issues and stress! PS: If any engineering candidate is interested in joining Abnormal Security, a fast growing startup in cybersecurity space, feel free to reach out or apply directly at https://grnh.se/81e379ab3us Like Reply 1 Like Manu Mahajan 5h * Report this comment Bubble of exorbitant salary without adequate skills to burst.The time has arrived. The people with specialized skills will always remain in demand Like Reply Ashley Hromatko 5h * Report this comment We are seeing an uptick in FinOps roles. It's becoming critical organizations understand their cloud spend and more importantly the value of technology investments. Like Reply 1 Like Arindam Saha 6h * Report this comment Hmm, the recession has hit hard in the US. Hope there won't be any layoffs, and more of a temporary freeze Like Reply Reza Afra 6h * Report this comment We're entering a dark age! Today more than ever I am convinced that one should have multiple streams of location-independent income. Like Reply Butch Mayhew 8h * Report this comment Went from the 'Great Resignation' to the 'Great Hiring Freeze' pretty fast. Like Reply 2 Likes Khalid Hussain 8h * Report this comment Najam Agha Like Reply See more comments To view or add a comment, sign in See other posts by Gergely Gergely Orosz 2d * Edited * Report this post Today, London has the hottest day of all time since, as another visible proof of global warming. This heatwave took offline Google and Oracle Cloud data centers. The cooling systems could not keep up with the heat in the London locations and these data centers needed to be taken offline. There is no ETA neither for Oracle, nor for Google on when they'll be back online. This is a stark reminder that global warming is not something abstract. It is a very real problem, and one that can already impact you even if you don't work in a location like London, but work in tech. Here's what I'm doing to combat - and hopefully slow - global warming. 1. Reduce my own and my family's carbon footprint as we can. Use public transport and bikes where we can over cars. 2. Use my vote and extend pressure where I can for my government to reduce emissions. 3. Support businesses that are carbon neutral or carbon negative, voting with my wallet. 4. Contributing 1% of all revenue for my business, The Pragmatic Engineer to fund carbon removal technologies mature and scale through Stripe Climate - learn more of how I do this here: https://lnkd.in/ eKe7fxn6 #globalwarming #heatwave #london #oracle #google * 651 17 Comments Like Comment Share * LinkedIn * Facebook * Twitter To view or add a comment, sign in Gergely Orosz 2d * Edited * Report this post If you are a startup and are copying Big Tech in how you do hiring or on-call practices: chances are, you are doing it wrong. Big Tech is a place that has some of the most unhealthy on-call practices and can get away with it. I speak from experience: while at Uber, although, as a manager I wanted to prioritize better on-call, for years we had terrible on-calls. The incentives were always about shipping impact, and, frankly, we paid too well for people to quit over on-call, and our team did not mind the high on-call load. No single person on my team quit because of on-call load, despite the intensity of it. If you asked me back then: I also did not mind, and I felt I was fairly compensated, overall. But try to do what we did at any other place that does not pay as well as Big Tech or doesn't have the brand: and you'd see huge attrition. My advice is: don't copy Big Tech on-call practices. Aim for better. Linked some such better examples in the comments. #oncall #softwareengineering #engineeringmanagement --- Follow me for content on software engineering at Big Tech and startups. Subscribe to The Pragmatic Engineer at https://lnkd.in/ grXSBkVw for deep dives on these topics. * 291 20 Comments Like Comment Share * LinkedIn * Facebook * Twitter To view or add a comment, sign in Gergely Orosz 2d * Edited * Report this post Bloomberg reported today "Apple to Slow Hiring and Spending for Some Teams Next Year". More than two weeks ago, I shared the same scoop with The Pragmatic Engineer subscribers: Bloomberg wrote: "Apple Inc. plans to slow hiring and spending growth next year in some divisions to cope with a potential economic downturn." in this article: https:/ /lnkd.in/ew4cWECm I wrote along the same lines two weeks ago in https://lnkd.in/epMzPeyF (see the image below). However, my sources tell me the slowdown comes not next year, but from the fall, because Apple's financial year ends in September. What does this change mean? Only Amazon is hiring as "normal" across Big Tech. And personally, I am unsure if even this will last. As I wrote in the latest The Pragmatic Engineer issue on Thursday: "Where in Big Tech are there no hiring freezes? The two notable companies where hiring is continuing as normal are Amazon and Apple. However, Apple might be slowing down hiring from September, though I confirmed this to be the case in only a few organizations. Still, it would be a surprise if, in the face of high inflation and economic uncertainty, Apple does not take a more conservative view with hiring, across the board. This past week, Google announced a hiring slowdown, Oracle a plan to cut back on costs - and is laying off heavily - Microsoft did make cuts, and Facebook employees are worried the company will push up attrition. We're now in the situation where many Big Tech companies have slowed down hiring: Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Twitter, Netflix, Tesla are in this group, and Apple will likely join them in September. The only major company where hiring is as before is Amazon. If you are planning to move into Big Tech or switch jobs, now might be the time to make that move. I would not be surprised if all of Big Tech slows hiring by the end of the year, out of caution. This will mean more competition for fewer openings, and likely only jobs for more experienced software engineers, engineering leaders and other tech professionals." #hiring #bigtech #apple #amazon --- Follow me for content on software engineering at Big Tech and startups. Subscribe to The Pragmatic Engineer at https://lnkd.in/grXSBkVw for deep dives on these topics. * 190 11 Comments Like Comment Share * LinkedIn * Facebook * Twitter To view or add a comment, sign in Gergely Orosz 6d * Edited * Report this post "Orosz is emblematic of a new phenomenon on the web: someone who isn't a trained journalist but has news judgment, sources, deep knowledge and perspective. In the past, reporters called people like Orosz to get the story. Now he publishes directly." First time I heard it put like this. Thank you Ted! Here's to more people publishing their observations and "stories" directly: we now have more tools than ever to do so. Ted Merz, CFA 6d The biggest story in tech right now is the depth and breadth of layoffs. And the best coverage is coming from a former engineer named Gergely Orosz who writes a newsletter called The The Pragmatic Engineer Engineer. It's a reminder of how much the media landscape has transformed. People waiting for traditional news organizations to keep them informed are missing out. Orosz started his newsletter 10 months ago focusing on practical -- though in-the-weeds -- stories such as best practices for shipping code or why Big Tech doesn't use Agile. But as the layoffs piled up in April he was quick to recognize their significance and capitalize on sources he'd developed who were on the front lines. What's striking is that he breaks news and provides context in a way people usually expect from journalists. You can see the impact in the accompanying chart of subscriber growth. The layoff story is huge because it is the first time engineers are being targeted since tech went on a hiring tear a decade ago. Orosz is emblematic of a new phenomenon on the web: someone who isn't a trained journalist but has news judgment, sources, deep knowledge and perspective. In the past, reporters called people like Orosz to get the story. Now he publishes directly. A great example was his story this week about Bitpanda, an Austrian based crypto exchange backed by Peter Thiel, which fired 30% of its staff two weeks ago. He noticed a LinkedIn post by the company's former social media manager complaining that Bitpanda was threatening to sue him for a social media rant. Given the slump in Bitcoin, it's not surprising a crypto company is laying off people. What is surprising is that they are suing former employees for social media posts. This is the type of story the Wall Street Journal or Bloomberg or the Financial Times will publish as a "cautionary tale" feature in a week or two. Orosz already has it covered. He talked to the manager and labeled the move a SLAPP (strategic lawsuit against public participation). He anticipated the Streisand Effect would prompt Bitpanda to cave. Bitpanda noticed Orosz's coverage and reached out to explain that they had to threaten the suit. Orosz countered telling Bitpanda he would cover the manager's legal costs. Bitpanda backed down. Game. Set. Match. This isn't journalism exactly, but it is a huge story. Tech firms everywhere are muddling through layoffs and often doing a bad job. You can be sure the lawyers and HR departments in tech companies have taken note. No one wants to be the next Bitpanda. As a postscript, Bitpanda apologized to the manager they threatened to sue and invited him to provide feedback to the company. The manager's takeaway: "This shows you never have to fear companies. You have the world at your back, always. If ever in a situation like this, come back to these posts and remember we came out on top." Read The Pragmatic Engineer post about Bitpanda here: https://lnkd.in/g7vBdFBM * Like Comment Share * LinkedIn * Facebook * Twitter To view or add a comment, sign in Gergely Orosz 1w * Report this post How Big Tech hiring changed only in five months: and the one company where nothing has changed - as of yet. If you're looking to move into one of these companies, it could be an idea to move soon. It is looking more and more certain that we are seeing a definite Big Tech hiring slowdown. I cover the details behind these changes in the latest The Pragmatic Engineer issue for subscribers. Read it here: https://lnkd.in/gj6J7ti5 #hiring #bigtech #amazon #google #facebook --- Follow me for content on software engineering at Big Tech and startups. Subscribe to The Pragmatic Engineer at https://lnkd.in/ grXSBkVw for deep dives on these topics. * 1,884 54 Comments Like Comment Share * LinkedIn * Facebook * Twitter To view or add a comment, sign in Gergely Orosz 1w * Edited * Report this post How to turn a bad layoff into a terrible one: threaten to sue a former employee commenting on how they are upset at the news of the layoffs. This is what Bitpanda is doing, a company valued $4B and voted Austria's #1 startup to work at. The company laid off ~25% of its staff weeks ago, and now served notice threatening to sue a former employee because this employee expressed their negative opinion on these layoffs. I only have one question to the CEO and founder Eric Demuth: why? What are you hoping to achieve by suing someone who is upset about the news of the layoffs, and their colleagues being fired, and sharing it in a post? Someone who has no income, no job, and expressed their frustration well within their legal rights? What Bitpanda is doing is known as SLAPP: Strategic lawsuit against public participation. As Wikipedia defines it: "These are lawsuits intended to censor, intimidate, and silence critics by burdening them with the cost of a legal defense until they abandon their criticism or opposition. In a typical SLAPP, the plaintiff does not normally expect to win the lawsuit. The plaintiff's goals are accomplished if the defendant succumbs to fear, intimidation, mounting legal costs, or simple exhaustion and abandons the criticism." Threatening to sue an unemployed, former employee and expecting them to delete the post and pay EUR800 is what Bitpanda is hoping for. However, the costs of the defendant will be covered. Should this go to court, Declan M. will win and I will cover those legal fees and report on proceedings - if the costs are high, I will launch a fundraiser for them. It would be entertaining to see the precedent of venture-funded tech company trying to suppress former employees expressing how they feel about their colleagues being let go. Never seen it happen with a company with Silicon Valley VCs backing it: will we see a first? Declan M. 1w UPDATE: It is over! Bitpanda dropped the case within two hours. Read full update here: https://lnkd.in/gSr_CpMi --- 13.07.22 So this morning I received highly inappropriate, aggressive and intimidating letter from a legal agency on behalf of Bitpanda who is threatening to sue me in regards to some recent light criticism on LinkedIn after the shocking layoff. I will not tag the legal agency because I don't want to embarrass them but there is no legal proceeding and I am well within my rights to discuss unsolicited, offensive, spammy threats which arrive in my mailbox. The claim is that I am doing reputational damage to the company which will cost them money. (Bear in mind this is over a spicy LinkedIn post.) On top of that, the legal firm is demanding I pay their fees of EUR800. Jokers. This whole thing STINKS of a bruised ego and a vendetta because big bullies don't like it when people stand up for themselves and others. Unfortunately, they chose the wrong man to mess with. I don't know what the company thinks it's doing here or who it thinks it is dealing with but I have nothing to lose, no money, I am unemployed too. I don't see any conclusion to this where Bitpanda comes out on top. This is a terrible, ill-advised move and I would chat with the PR team about it. It seems from the letter that they have a week to rethink this. PS Any support or advice here is welcomed, I am suffering a lot of anxiety at the moment and this letter from Bitpanda has caused me to go into a series of panic attacks but I will be brave for everyone who has been affected. PPS To any sneaky spies in contact with the legal agency: this does not constitute a response to your mail. A formal response will come once I have consulted with my lawyer and my Gewerkschaft. Like Comment Share * LinkedIn * Facebook * Twitter To view or add a comment, sign in Gergely Orosz 1w * Edited * Report this post One US dollar is worth 1 EUR. The last time this was the case was 20 years ago, after the Dotcom bust ended. What impact will this have on tech? One important one for sure: US companies hiring software engineers as remote will find hiring in Europe - and especially in Western Europe - far more affordable. Imagine hiring an experienced software engineer who worked at well-known tech companies or high-growth startups and can work at scale, for ~$90-130K/year. Well, if offering EUR90-130K*, you'll have plenty of candidates, and if you go higher you can find staff-level folks as well. Just a year ago, EUR90-130K meant $112-$162K/year - quote the difference in cost versus now! This also means that companies that offer location-independent salaries in US dollars will see more interest from Europe, thanks to the EUR weakened. And companies that raised their funding in USD will see their hiring budgets go further in EUR. Basically, with remote work and a weaker EUR, we could well see even more US companies growing teams in Europe. On the other hand, European companies with EUR funding will find it more expensive to hire in the US and expanding their market and engineering teams there will likely slow down. *as a caveat, don't forget about the employer-only costs that vary based on countries in Europe, and are comparable to, but often higher than the 401K costs. More details here: https://lnkd.in/ gxue8Cz7 What are your predictions on how the weaker EUR will impact the tech market? #eur #usd #currency #hiring --- Follow me for content on software engineering at Big Tech and startups. Subscribe to The Pragmatic Engineer at https://lnkd.in/grXSBkVw for deep dives on these topics. * 8,422 308 Comments Like Comment Share * LinkedIn * Facebook * Twitter To view or add a comment, sign in Gergely Orosz 1w * Edited * Report this post The Pragmatic Engineer talent collective tripled in size today. In today's drop: multiple Head of Engineering and Director of Engineering folks at high-growth places, engineers formerly/currently at Google, Facebook, Apple, Shopify, Stream, Amazon, Microsoft, many people just going on the market from Hopin & interesting folks at high-growth startups. If you are hiring for senior and above engineers (backend, fullstack, frontend, mobile, SRE, data), engineering leaders (managers, directors, or above) and want to get hold of interesting candidates who are just going on the market - and often don't signal they are open to opportunities on LinkedIn - then apply here: https://lnkd.in/grbusEZ2 Existing companies are seeing an 82% response rate, and ~30% connection accept rate. (If you're looking for interesting opportunities, you can also apply!). #hiring #softwareengineering #engineeringmanagement * 156 2 Comments Like Comment Share * LinkedIn * Facebook * Twitter To view or add a comment, sign in Gergely Orosz 1w * Edited * Report this post How much do companies pay engineers to be oncall? Those that pay, that is. I'm gathering data on this rarely discussed topic, and some of the "top" companies in this sense are: Based on countless private messages and a few public data points, and rates at more than 100 companies collected - which pay to be oncall - these are the highest rates I've come across so far. Google is leading the pack, usually paying well above $1,500 for a Tier 2 oncall week, and double that for Tier 1 (all dependent on base salary). Curiously, Google is the only Big Tech paying anything for oncall, and also pays great attention for people to not go oncall too frequently. Intercom is one of the few companies paying not only in the EU, but also in the US, at a $1,000/week rate, and have invested greatly in a great oncall culture. Zendesk, Zalando, HelloFresh, a subsidiary within Daimler, Booking.com, N26 and Adevinta are all well above in compensation to what most other companies in their regions offer, all between EUR850-1,250 per weekly shift as bonus. How much does your company pay for oncall standby, if they do? And what is their philosophy - e.g. do they compensate more on weekends and holidays, or during the night? Send me a message with details: I'll publish all data collected for every subscriber (free or paid) in The Pragmatic Engineer Newsletter in about 2-3 weeks (subscribe here https:// lnkd.in/gjzG4kTH). Not just about rates, but about practices that are more common across the industry. Let's bring some transparency on how oncall is structured and compensated across companies - and countries! #oncall #softwareengineering #bigtech #startups --- Follow me for content on software engineering at Big Tech and startups. 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