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Learn More discussions in r/sysadmin <> X 1273 * 525 comments Microsoft introducing ways to detect people "leaving" the company, "sabotage", "improper gifts", and more! 461 * 266 comments Don't you love things like... 98 * 69 comments Edge 102 defaults to forcing IE to Edge 5286 * 358 comments Bosses this is how you deal with your employee burning out. 12 * 50 comments I am a PM on the Microsoft Storage & File Systems team and I want your feedback 12 * 32 comments Is everyone pretending to be busy? * 10 comments How to remove irrelevant announcements from Chrome new tab page? 17 * 102 comments It finally happened. I've been asked to find a "remote employee monitoring" solution 6 * 9 comments Quick Assist 260 * 351 comments I hate cloud. Welcome to Reddit, the front page of the internet. Become a Redditor and join one of thousands of communities. x 1274 1275 1276 General DiscussionMicrosoft introducing ways to detect people "leaving" the company, "sabotage", "improper gifts", and more! ( self.sysadmin) submitted 7 hours ago by Hutch2DET[silver_48] Welcome to hell, comrade. Coming soon to public preview, we're rolling out several new classifiers for Communication Compliance to assist you in detecting various types of workplace policy violations. This message is associated with Microsoft 365 Roadmap ID 93251, 93253, 93254, 93255, 93256, 93257, 93258 When this will happen: Rollout will begin in late June and is expected to be complete by mid-July. How this will affect your organization: The following new classifiers will soon be available in public preview for use with your Communication Compliance policies. Leavers: The leavers classifier detects messages that explicitly express intent to leave the organization, which is an early signal that may put the organization at risk of malicious or inadvertent data exfiltration upon departure. Corporate sabotage: The sabotage classifier detects messages that explicitly mention acts to deliberately destroy, damage, or destruct corporate assets or property. Gifts & entertainment: The gifts and entertainment classifier detect messages that contain language around exchanging of gifts or entertainment in return for service, which may violate corporate policy. Money laundering: The money laundering classifier detects signs of money laundering or engagement in acts design to conceal or disguise the origin or destination of proceeds. This classifier expands Communication Compliance's scope of intelligently detected patterns to regulated customers such as banking or financial services who have specific regulatory compliance obligations to detect for money laundering in their organization. Stock manipulation: The stock manipulation classifier detects signs of stock manipulation, such as recommendations to buy, sell, or hold stocks in order to manipulate the stock price. This classifier expands Communication Compliance's scope of intelligently detected patterns to regulated customers such as banking or financial services who have specific regulatory compliance obligations to detect for stock manipulation in their organization. Unauthorized disclosure: The unauthorized disclosure classifier detects sharing of information containing content that is explicitly designated as confidential or internal to certain roles or individuals in an organization. Workplace collusion: The workplace collusion classifier detects messages referencing secretive actions such as concealing information or covering instances of a private conversation, interaction, or information. This classifier expands Communication Compliance's scope of intelligently detected patterns to regulated customers such as banking, healthcare, or energy who have specific regulatory compliance obligations to detect for collusion in their organization. What you need to do to prepare: Microsoft Purview Communication Compliance helps organizations detect explicit code of conduct and regulatory compliance violations, such as harassing or threatening language, sharing of adult content, and inappropriate sharing of sensitive information. Built with privacy by design, usernames are pseudonymized by default, role-based access controls are built in, investigators are explicitly opted in by an admin, and audit logs are in place to ensure user-level privacy. * 525 comments * share * save * hide * report top 200 commentsshow 500 sorted by: best topnewcontroversialoldrandomq&alive (beta) [ ] Want to add to the discussion? Post a comment! Create an account [-]jmbpiano 1025 points1026 points1027 points 6 hours ago[silver_48] (28 children) "That's funny, when we first turned on the detector, the number of Leavers was fairly low, but it's been growing steadily ever since." * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]SchizoidRainbow 310 points311 points312 points 6 hours ago [silver_48] (24 children) My favorite is making me install this shit and set it up so they can monitor me. Shooting me is one thing, but you expect me to hold the gun for you? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]LightofmineKnows Enough to be Dangerous 24 points25 points26 points 2 hours ago (1 child) Applies to All Users Exception Group IT Admin SchizoidRainbow * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]SchizoidRainbow 3 points4 points5 points 1 hour ago (0 children) Oh that's the least of it. It will be set to track THEM, and email a copy of their history to anyone who gets flagged by the system * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Ssakaa 136 points137 points138 points 6 hours ago (11 children) Hold it, load it, aim it, and set it off, actually. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]electricheatAdmin of things with plugs 65 points66 points67 points 5 hours ago (4 children) And would it be too much to ask for you to clean up the mess when you're done? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]NailiME84 37 points38 points39 points 5 hours ago (2 children) oh that call comes about 3 months down the road after the mess has become unmanageable * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]fcewen00Linux Admin 5 points6 points7 points 3 hours ago (0 children) That's for your replacement to clean up. What happened to Bob? Shot himself. Here's a mop. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [-]kuntawakaw2 9 points10 points11 points 4 hours ago (0 children) And report the result back to the management * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (5 replies) [-]arwinda 10 points11 points12 points 5 hours ago (5 children) Sure, set it up, and then start talking about leaving. Let's see how much more they are willing to pay you to retain you. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]SchizoidRainbow 21 points22 points23 points 4 hours ago (3 children) This sadly assumes that all decisions are financial and for the good of the company. Far too many bosses choose instead to protect their own positions, even just their own perceived position, and will absolutely fire you for not being a compliant drone. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (3 replies) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (4 replies) [-]GnarlyNarwhalNoms 41 points42 points43 points 3 hours ago (0 children) The following classifier categories are rolling out the following year, pursuant to Office 365 Roadmap ID 98655, 98666. Humor: Sarcasm, jokes, japes, jests, jocularity of any kind, as these may be misconstrued, misinterpreted, or taken personally, which may constitute a hostile work environment. Negative emotions: Expressions of sadness, unhappiness, discontent, anger, rage, anguish, or existential ennui, as these may negatively affect team cohesion. Joy: Language suggesting hopefulness, optimism, anticipation of a brighter future, faith in humankind and/or in a loving and benevolent creator, as these may imply that the user is thinking about topics other than the best interests of the organization. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Pie-Otherwise 16 points17 points18 points 5 hours ago (1 child) Seems like a super fun way to sabotage an enemy who likes to leave their computer unlocked. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) [-]e_t_Redundant Array of Inexpensive Pants 599 points600 points601 points 7 hours ago (56 children) That "workplace collusion" category seems like a union buster's dream. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]Hutch2DET[S] 233 points234 points235 points 7 hours ago (3 children) No no no... No one would ever use it for it's "unintended" use. /S * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]curious_fishWindows Admin 34 points35 points36 points 5 hours ago (1 child) Of course not, because use for that purpose violates our TOS. /s * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]technobrendo 35 points36 points37 points 5 hours ago (0 children) TOS: Typical Office Shenanigans * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]PacoBedejo 2 points3 points4 points 2 hours ago (0 children) "Huh. We didn't consider that use scenario..." * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]grumpyolddudeJack of All Trades 61 points62 points63 points 5 hours ago (10 children) I wonder how many office affairs and trysts it will uncover. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Pie-Otherwise 62 points63 points64 points 5 hours ago (1 child) The "sneaky" people who use their work accounts so their spouse won't find evidence on their personal phone. Big brain shit. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]lenswipeSoftware Developer [score hidden] 49 minutes ago (0 children) So the c level execs then * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]codifier 20 points21 points22 points 4 hours ago (2 children) Only the ones that aren't in positions of power strangely enough... * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]plumbumplumbumbum 15 points16 points17 points 2 hours ago (1 child) This. In my career I have stumbled across 4 instances of employees involved in sexual activity of one form or another. Three were line staff doing nothing more serious then dirty talk between consenting adults that were instantly fired and one was a VP level person arraigning for paid sex acts. The VP just got a talking to by his boss... * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]OverlordWafflesSysadmin 12 points13 points14 points 2 hours ago (0 children) The only one that's doing anything illegal gets a talking to while the others doing nothing wrong get fired. Isn't that the truth. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]ohyeahwellChief Rebooter and PC LOAD LETTERER 5 points6 points7 points 1 hour ago (0 children) Oh man, I've stumbled my way into two during my career. None of them know that I know to this day. One is a huge bible thumper, active in his church leadership etc. Had a seemingly long affair with a secretary. Another couple eventually got married which is kind of sweet. Except it's the pres of the company, and an at-that-time middle manager who is now a VP, and will assume control of the company when he retires/ dies. Funny enough she started as a secretary too! * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]thepaleoboy 1 point2 points3 points 2 hours ago (0 children) I'm sure these guys will want to read the mundane "Babe, can you please finish up early? The place will shutdown if we're late" my ex used to send to me during date nights. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (3 replies) [-]thesaddestpanda 103 points104 points105 points 5 hours ago (26 children) and "leavers" isn't about "stolen data" its about bullying staff to keep them or firing them pre-emptively for a loss of "loyalty." Or the famous email from Steve Jobs to Palm and others about "poaching" "his" employees and how he tried to stop it via patent litigation threats. Once known who your new employer would be, your current employer can bully your new employer to rescind the offer. This is absolutely abusive capitalism and anti-labor politics at work here, and with zero shame. Microsoft has finally taken off the mask to show us its true self. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]ContentWaltz8 16 points17 points18 points 3 hours ago (4 children) I was fired from a data center job because I started applying to other places, and one of the places called to confirm employment. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Type-94Shiranui 11 points12 points13 points 2 hours ago (2 children) Isn't it common courtesy for companies to ya know, not do that, unless you explicitly checkbox something that allows it in the job app? Or at the very end of the process as part of the background check? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]lenswipeSoftware Developer [score hidden] 49 minutes ago (1 child) [DEL:most:DEL] some recruiters are dicks * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [-]abbman2121 29 points30 points31 points 5 hours ago (2 children) i was just talking to a 30 year dev from microsoft who lives in ohio and she was saying she's retiring early and leaving the country. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Slyons89 5 points6 points7 points 2 hours ago (0 children) Gee at least they must pay well in order to be able to do that. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Acceptable_Repeat908Jack of All Trades [score hidden] 55 minutes ago (0 children) Probably a good idea, the way things are heading. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Organic_Mix7180 7 points8 points9 points 3 hours ago (0 children) Let's be clear: Microsoft are not innovators in this space. They are absolutely playing catch-up with "solutions" that already analyze employee comms and trigger compliance investigations at medium and large enterprises. They're just leveraging integration with the tool they already have an oppressively large market share on to make it easier on the corporate overlords and the vendor consolidation pressure from purchasing. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]turtle_mummy 16 points17 points18 points 4 hours ago (15 children) its about bullying staff to keep them or firing them pre-emptively for a loss of "loyalty." Um, yes please? If I was already planning to leave and you fire me instead, now I can take some time off and collect unemployment. Your other points still stand and this feature has massive potential for overreach and abuse. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]jameson71 1 point2 points3 points 3 hours ago (0 children) Unemployment is a pittance and very temporary compared to continuing to work while looking? The seeker would lose huge amounts of leverage in their job search and negotiations. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (14 replies) load more comments (1 reply) [-]jdog7249 27 points28 points29 points 5 hours ago (4 children) I am not in IT at all (just like reading this sub) and that is the only reason I could possibly think of for that feature. I can't think of any other thing it would find (possibly meant to look for that) * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]hnryirawan 19 points20 points21 points 5 hours ago (0 children) From their list of examples, its more for places like Banking, Energy, etc, which requires all communication info of their employee to be more auditable for compliance purpose. Something like preventing bankers to tip off customers of unauthorized data etc * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]PMmeyourannualTspend 17 points18 points19 points 5 hours ago (0 children) There were a bunch of traders that were telling their clients to contact them on their personal cells so they could discuss details of the deals that were super illegal. I believe it caused there to explicitly be a rule written by the SEC requiring communication remain on auditable platforms. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]MohKohn 11 points12 points13 points 5 hours ago (1 child) They mention banks, so potentially people who are planning a crime who aren't stupid would only discuss things obliquely when the machine is listening. But yeah, that use case seems more likely, and should probably be illegal if it isn't already. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]pixl_graphixJack of All Trades 1 point2 points3 points 2 hours ago (0 children) when the machine is listening. That's the new secret, the machine is always listening. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (9 replies) [-]grumpyolddudeJack of All Trades 293 points294 points295 points 6 hours ago (45 children) My new goal is to get flagged on every one of those lists. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]CreshalEmbedded DevSecOps 2.0 Techsupport Sysadmin Consultant [Austria] 187 points188 points189 points 6 hours ago (33 children) The real power move will be getting flagged on all at the same time with one single message. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]mr_tyler_durden 425 points426 points427 points 5 hours ago [silver_48][gold_48][klvxk1wggf]3[lop66ut2wn] (25 children) Hey Joe, I just got an offer from one of our top competitors and I think I'm going to accept. It would be a shame if I left a copy of our clients on my personal laptop haha. While I've got you, I want to see if you can help me delete some company data that doesn't reflect well on me. I can make it worth your while, if you know what I mean. How about a few gift certificates to that restaurant your wife loves? It can be our little secret. Speaking of secrets, I've also could use some help shuffling around some money in the budget so the suits don't get suspicious, I think your friend in accounting might be able to help me out if you can connect us. And you didn't hear this from me but you are going to want to unload your stocks before the next earnings report, it is not going to be good, get out while you can. Lastly I need to tell you about a new project that's very hush-hush, I'm not even supposed to know about it but it's going to be a game changer and you need to get out ahead of this. As always let's keep all this just between the two of us, no need for anyone else to know what's going on. Let's get lunch soon! * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]iCapn 112 points113 points114 points 4 hours ago (7 children) I know what my new email signature is going to be * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]bikerbub 73 points74 points75 points 3 hours ago (4 children) 1pt. font, white text color * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]williamp114 35 points36 points37 points 3 hours ago (0 children) You know someone in legal will definitely put in a ticket saying "Help! Our spying machine is broken, we need this fixed ASAP!" * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Blame_The_GreenCollecting hats since '07 23 points24 points25 points 2 hours ago (2 children) *Confused Dark Mode noises * * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (2 replies) [-]RekhytJack of All Trades 13 points14 points15 points 3 hours ago (0 children) Just set the font to wingdings and no one will be the wiser * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]FriendToPredators 4 points5 points6 points 4 hours ago (0 children) Spook command on emacs has entered the chat * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]stepbroImstuck_in_SU 71 points72 points73 points 4 hours ago [silver_48] (1 child) Nice job, but even better would be telling Joe something entirely mundane and well within all rules and norms, while also hitting all those markers. "Man my wife gifted me again with the best [lunch item] one can buy with money, laundering seems like a steal in exchange haha! Ofcourse we split household chores 50/50, except if the other- - well thats a secret between us, probably shouldn't be spreading sensitive information, especially at this job!" * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]mr_tyler_durden 18 points19 points20 points 4 hours ago (0 children) Haha, I thought about that but I only had a few minutes when I wrote it and didn't want to take the time to be clever. But yes, I like your approach even more! * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]lonbordin 13 points14 points15 points 4 hours ago (1 child) Just needs an /s at the end for culpable deniability. "It was just a joke!" * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) [-]ZachVIA 8 points9 points10 points 4 hours ago (0 children) You win. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]pier4rSome have production machines besides the ones for testing 2 points3 points4 points 4 hours ago (2 children) great! But where is the adult content? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]mr_tyler_durden 10 points11 points12 points 4 hours ago (1 child) I don't see that one in this list above? Is that just an existing filter? If so you can add something like Also those pics of your wife at the nude beach were HOT! I sent them to boys in finance and we all agree she's too good for you. After the restaurant gift card bit lol EDIT: Or maybe a better one (breaking more rules) would be Oh and I finally got access to ITs personal spank bank on the company servers, it's amazing. Just about any type of porn you could want is there, here are the credentials to see the hidden folder. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]pier4rSome have production machines besides the ones for testing 4 points5 points6 points 4 hours ago (0 children) you should do writing, or presentations, or politics, or all those together. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]rehab212 1 point2 points3 points 3 hours ago (0 children) Now to make that your default signature. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (8 replies) [-]powerman228Desktop Support / SCCM Admin 44 points45 points46 points 5 hours ago (4 children) Any% speedrun incoming... * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (4 replies) [-]RedbloodJarvey 13 points14 points15 points 5 hours ago (1 child) "Monkey team has secured the bag. Rat team, move to protocol Exodus. Comrades, it has been a pleasure, see you on the other side." * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) [-]curious_fishWindows Admin 16 points17 points18 points 5 hours ago (1 child) bonus points if multiple achievements get unlocked with a single message. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]NailiME84 16 points17 points18 points 5 hours ago (0 children) All achievements are unlocked if you can flag all warnings with a single email. bonus points if you can do it with as few words as possible. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]codifier 5 points6 points7 points 4 hours ago (1 child) The goal after that is to spam it and get others to do the same to the point the whole system is false positives. And lots of them. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) [-]flecomComputer Custodial Services 3 points4 points5 points 5 hours ago (0 children) Was also my first thought after realizing this wasn't a joke * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]williamp114 1 point2 points3 points 3 hours ago (0 children) "From the company that brought you Xbox Achievements, comes..." * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (5 replies) [-]from_the_sidelinesVMs in VMs in VMs in VMs 47 points48 points49 points 2 hours ago (4 children) Christ the hypothetical victim-blaming in here is absurd. Nobody's saying it's smart to do this shit on corporate devices/apps, you are missing the entire point. The tech itself is abhorrent regardless of legality. I've refused to do other nanny state reporting bullshit for middle managers and if this came up I'd refuse to do that too. Nobody is expecting corporate communications to be private from their employer, but at the same time nobody assumes automated behavioral analysis of all of their communication to be running 24/7 trying to recreate Minority Report - and the text above doesn't suggest that the targeted users are notified this is happening in any way at all. Emphasis on "targeted" - no org is going to turn this on for any kind of leadership, HR, etc. Fuck everything about this. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply load more comments (4 replies) [-]clickbg 454 points455 points456 points 7 hours ago (23 children) Orwell you crazy bastard, you were right all along. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]reallifereallysucks 67 points68 points69 points 6 hours ago (4 children) I think we established that for quite a while now * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]needssleep 20 points21 points22 points 3 hours ago (3 children) Did anyone predict Orwell and Huxley would BOTH be right? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]datenwolf 6 points7 points8 points 2 hours ago (2 children) *raises hand*: Back in 1999, in my senior high school* sophomore year I got an assignment to do a presentation about important literature of the mid 20th century. I choose to do a talk on both 1948 and Brave New World, comparing their different views of (future) totalitarian societies, oppression with pain vs. oppression with pleasure. And in that presentation I concluded that in my opinion then western societies were on track to synthesize them. I wish I'd have come up with the term "Surveillance Capitalism" (coined later by Doctorow) back then. Somewhere in a box I still got the overhead projector slides I created for the presentation. --------------------------------------------------------------------- *well, its German equivalent * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]davemee [score hidden] 56 minutes ago (0 children) "Surveillance Capitalism" was coined by Zuboff, not Doctorow. She has written a number of significant papers and books using this exact phrase. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Iron-WarlockSysadmin [score hidden] 47 minutes ago (0 children) Are you me? I've done the (almost) same thing in... 2010, I think it was... * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]looneybooms 29 points30 points31 points 6 hours ago (0 children) you have been found guilty of thought crimes * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]junkman21 23 points24 points25 points 7 hours ago (0 children) Blursed comment. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]thesaddestpanda 26 points27 points28 points 5 hours ago (10 children) Orwell: Here is my scathing attack on Stalism! Hopefully nothing could ever be this bad! Capitalism: Hold my orphan crushing machine remote. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]KaelthasX3 34 points35 points36 points 5 hours ago (2 children) 1984 isn't about communism, but rather broader totalitarianism. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (7 replies) load more comments (5 replies) [-]xixi2 145 points146 points147 points 7 hours ago (42 children) At first I want to be like "There's no way a bot can accurately detect this stuff" but facebook knows when I'm depressed, when I need a car, when I need a job, when I want to know about an actor because I mentioned his name somewhere in my house. So I actually don't doubt it. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]wraithscrono 22 points23 points24 points 6 hours ago (4 children) How this will affect your organization: Cisco Umbrella has a feature that is kinda like this - but for network side. So if it suddenly sees someone transferring a TON of data that is odd for them. I get an email stating that they might need to be checked out. All kinda scary in the end. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]D_Humphreys 11 points12 points13 points 6 hours ago (2 children) Yup. Our enterprise storage will lock out AD accounts if any activity trips an arbitrary threshold. Had a couple of users get bit when they were rearranging network shares. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]bhendersysadmin-adjacent 11 points12 points13 points 4 hours ago (1 child) lol We hired a new guy that was formerly a football coach, so he liked to have everything printed out and in front of him like he was on the sidelines. Whatever, that's how he learns. And he learned our stuff really fast that way. The problem was that he was a brand new employee and literally printing out all of our training materials, so he got locked out on like his second day and had to talk to HR and our security team to get his account turned back on hahaha. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [-]Onorhc 100 points101 points102 points 7 hours ago (13 children) The terrifying part is they don't need to know, just guess. Submit guesses for manual review, train the model, and it gets better and better as they track real world outcomes. Microsoft is invested in this being successful, so hopefully that means it is doomed to failure. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Cyhawk 40 points41 points42 points 6 hours ago (6 children) Homesteading is looking like a better option every day. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]garaks_tailor 13 points14 points15 points 6 hours ago (3 children) We have quite the subreddit. Very friendly people! * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]vodka_knockers_ 12 points13 points14 points 6 hours ago (1 child) Behind all the No Trespassing signs they are very friendly /s * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [-]Ssakaa 4 points5 points6 points 6 hours ago (1 child) And you'll have ads for youtube channels about it for the next 6 months. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) [-]bhendersysadmin-adjacent 6 points7 points8 points 4 hours ago (2 children) So my company actually sells a product that sounds similar to what MS is doing. We get around this problem by allowing the admin the option of turning up or down sensitivity org wide or based on role. E.g. c suite has higher sensitivity than low level marketing. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (3 replies) [-]Fallingdamage 12 points13 points14 points 5 hours ago (0 children) They only know what you tell them (for the most part.) I only get ads for car tires AFTER I buy a set. Sorry, too late! Now that I only open facebook in private windows, ive noticed I only get ads for things from links ive followed and nothing more. It really is true - they only know as much about you as you let them know. Honestly, if MS is going to implement something like this AND sysadmins are going to encourage its use, its only going to catch the lowest hanging fruit. In 2-5 years enough people will know how it works that they will just conduct the same business on another communication platform instead. If you making talking about leaving illegal, people will just do it where they cant be sniffed out. You could also build a library of 'flagged' words and phrases and fill your signature with them in hidden/mini text. Overwhelm the system with false positives. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]LegitimateCopy7 24 points25 points26 points 6 hours ago (7 children) Facebook knows that sort of things because people literally post everything on social media. It's like telling people everything about you and be surprised at the fact that they know everything about you. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]slickrickjr 10 points11 points12 points 6 hours ago (0 children) Ppl act like it's magic or has a conscience when it's literally us feeding it all our info. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]xixi2 9 points10 points11 points 6 hours ago (5 children) Point is the algorithms are pretty darn good that they know stuff about me that I don't consciously share. I'm afraid of what they know about me that they AREN'T letting on. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (5 replies) [-]romeo_pentium 12 points13 points14 points 6 hours ago (1 child) Facebook falsely detecting that you want to buy a car when you don't leads to you seeing a harmless car ad Microsoft falsely detecting that you want to leave the company when you don't could lead to you being fired depending on how stupid the company HR is * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) [-]jews4beerSysadmin turned devops turned dev 2 points3 points4 points 3 hours ago (1 child) There are entire startups based around the idea of just detecting X category from chat logs. It's a very interesting field, but rife with ethical conflict. For example, detecting when someone might be about to set off a bomb? Maybe a good thing? Detecting when your employees want to unionize? Go fuck yourself. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]xixi2 2 points3 points4 points 2 hours ago (0 children) All rights and privacy violations ride in on the backs of "good idea" * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]SAugsburger 1 point2 points3 points 6 hours ago (0 children) IDK I have seen a lot of questionably relevant ads on FB, but then again that likely is more advertisers with poor focus then bad analytics. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]spiffybaldguy 1 point2 points3 points 3 hours ago (0 children) Microsoft has had a very bad track history with AI. Tay Bot Search suggestions Focus view in email and probably dozens more. I trust MS less with any form of AI tools than really anyone out there with some programming skills. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (8 replies) [-]Fallingdamage 13 points14 points15 points 5 hours ago (2 children) These must be some crazy complicated regex's sifting through emails. Pretty soon email communications will look like the secret code words you used to use when texting your weed dealer. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]AbsoluteMonkeyChaosAsylum Running Inmate 7 points8 points9 points 5 hours ago (0 children) "we made the filters so difficult that everyone went back to L33t." * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]onelap32 2 points3 points4 points 2 hours ago (0 children) Neural networks, more likely. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]D_Humphreys 124 points125 points126 points 6 hours ago[2jd92wtn25] (3 children) Microsoft: Everyone: Hey, how about a spam filter that actually works, guys? Microsoft: Everyone: No spam filter? Microsoft: INTRODUCING THE ORWELL MIND-READER 9000 ...! * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply load more comments (3 replies) [-]isitokifitakeJack of All Trades 83 points84 points85 points 7 hours ago (3 children) wow * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]alpha417 170 points171 points172 points 7 hours ago (2 children) Your thoughtcrime incident was documented. Report for retraining. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]LividLager 28 points29 points30 points 6 hours ago (1 child) I wasn't going to think it. I swear. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]tactical_paperclip 19 points20 points21 points 6 hours ago (0 children) The 34th amendment defense. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Chemical-Constant-15 44 points45 points46 points 7 hours ago (5 children) Looks like Microsoft wants into the Data Loss Prevention (DLP) market. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]MrJacks0n 22 points23 points24 points 7 hours ago (4 children) What makes you think they are not already? Many products and features already exist, these additions are just enhancing them. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Chemical-Constant-15 5 points6 points7 points 6 hours ago (3 children) What makes you think they are not already? They don't have enough market presence to make it into the top 5 choices for a lot of customers. Offerings like this are how they improve their standing. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Ssakaa 4 points5 points6 points 6 hours ago (1 child) I'd suspect a chunk of those top 5 are just managing azure's tools. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Chemical-Constant-15 2 points3 points4 points 5 hours ago (0 children) I suspect you're right, and Microsoft may have realized it, too. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]bhendersysadmin-adjacent 3 points4 points5 points 4 hours ago (0 children) MS DLP comes baked in to their E5 (I think) licenses and above. Lots of people use it, but it isn't the greatest so they also use a "real" DLP vendor on top of it. I agree that insider threat stuff like this will help improve their standing, but think it will end up being like their DLP in that it kinda works most of the time but not really enough to rely on, so orgs will turn this on but also use a "real" insider threat vendor for specific roles (c suite) and projects. I work for a security vendor and it's interesting to see our insider threat sales. It is super expensive and fucking weird for HR/Legal to understand, so even huge F100 orgs will only buy like 500 licenses and apply them to users as needed, based off of either role or if they are doing some secret/badass R+D or something. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]STUNTPENlSTech Wizard of the White Council 179 points180 points181 points 7 hours ago (105 children) To be fair anyone who uses corporate communications for any of those activities is pretty stupid and deserves to get caught. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]Chemical-Constant-15 108 points109 points110 points 6 hours ago (35 children) Employees using employer-provided equipment to communicate don't have an expectation of privacy, according to the US Supreme Court. Source: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/09pdf/08-1332.pdf * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Hutch2DET[S] 97 points98 points99 points 6 hours ago* (9 children) I think everyone's well aware, but there's a difference between legally allowed and offensive. People are workers, not slaves. Companies pushing this kind of tracking are shit companies. The only exception being very high security risk sectors. There's a reason this rubs a lot of people the wrong way. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Chemical-Constant-15 28 points29 points30 points 5 hours ago (2 children) only exception being very high security risk sectors Medical and educational institutions both fall within that category, thanks to HIPAA and FERPA. That's a pretty big exception, right off the bat. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (6 replies) [-]Pie-Otherwise 22 points23 points24 points 5 hours ago (3 children) according to the US Supreme Court Who I think mostly still use flip phones and print their god damned email. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Chemical-Constant-15 9 points10 points11 points 5 hours ago (0 children) You are probably right, and it doesn't matter one bit, legally. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]teszes 5 points6 points7 points 5 hours ago (0 children) While their staffers use burner phones and actual secure stuff quite incompetently. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Grabraham 1 point2 points3 points 1 hour ago (0 children) I bet they wish they could run a report and see who leaked the Draft Roe V Wade related opinion ;) * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Reynk1 1 point2 points3 points 2 hours ago (1 child) Baseline mode of operation should be to assume everything you do on a work device is monitored * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (19 replies) [-]Hutch2DET[S] 29 points30 points31 points 7 hours ago (60 children) Talking about leaving...? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]STUNTPENlSTech Wizard of the White Council 29 points30 points31 points 7 hours ago (58 children) yeah... for instance, mailing your resume to a recruiter. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Tired_Sysop 30 points31 points32 points 7 hours ago (28 children) We catch this shit all the time over web dlp. Forget about keeping the hackers out, management doesn't give a shit. But bring them the communications between a senior employee and recruiter, and you're the IT hero. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]xixi2 31 points32 points33 points 6 hours ago (21 children) Or how about stop spying on people? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]LividLager 44 points45 points46 points 6 hours ago (3 children) I lost a lot of respect for my superiors after we installed a camera system at one location. "We're only going to review the footage if something bad happens." In reality, our bandwidth usage skyrocketed, because they stream every camera all day. I had a feeling when I was putting it in. I made sure people were aware that each camera had a microphone, but that I'd been told it would be off. Two weeks later. "I can't believe what that asshole said about me." * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]MohKohn 11 points12 points13 points 5 hours ago (2 children) Middle management is about power, not results * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]FriendToPredators 7 points8 points9 points 4 hours ago (1 child) That's why my dream is with AI middle management is first on the chopping block. I'd prefer a computer overlord organizing tasks in a heartbeat. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]thedanyes 6 points7 points8 points 3 hours ago (0 children) I think that's likely. The lowest level workers are doing stuff that is hard to automate and executives certainly aren't going to be replaced. Middle management is a realistic target for AI. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (17 replies) [-]STUNTPENlSTech Wizard of the White Council 7 points8 points9 points 7 hours ago (5 children) hmmm.... almost sounds like a lucrative side hustle in the making... just think of all the money you could make blackmailing those senior employees... "give me $100 or I tell the boss you're emailing recruiters!" * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]flecomComputer Custodial Services 5 points6 points7 points 5 hours ago (0 children) Come join us /r/shittysysadmin * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]cathalferrisLinux ITSec/Sysadmin 8 points9 points10 points 6 hours ago (2 children) Being a better BOFH, you'd have mailed said resume from their account already.. Maybe even gotten that lovely lady in purchasing that handbag she's been looking for for months, for her help in distracting the manager so it would all be above board too.. And as for the video of that encounter? Well, as the BOFH you've now got choices! * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (2 replies) [-]XanII/etc/httpd/conf.d 2 points3 points4 points 6 hours ago (0 children) Who on senior level is so in thrall to a company? Good way to make a long lasting feud that will spill over to other forms. I would probably go on offensive and publish the demand. Perhaps those who look to cash out in X years from a IPO or stock options. The usual seniors probably won't even blink. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]clickbg 16 points17 points18 points 7 hours ago (21 children) What gets on my nerves is not corporate mail monitoring, it's the damned corporate VPN that I have to install on MY personal phone and make sure it's off if I ever decide to use my device for "inappropriate" activities. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]VardyI exit vim by killing the process 38 points39 points40 points 6 hours ago (0 children) Sounds like you need a work phone for work stuff. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]cathalferrisLinux ITSec/Sysadmin 24 points25 points26 points 6 hours ago (0 children) It's a pity that corporate VPNs refuse to work on a rooted phone... * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]draeathArchitect 18 points19 points20 points 5 hours ago (0 children) If they want that they buy me a phone for work. I have no problems carrying a separate work phone if it keeps my personal phone private. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]uptimefordayssystems engineer 14 points15 points16 points 5 hours ago (5 children) I don't understand why anyone would put anything work related on their personal devices, that's just asking for trouble. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (5 replies) [-]stoppedLurking00Solutions Architect 5 points6 points7 points 5 hours ago (1 child) Or just say no, this is my device not yours. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) [-]grumpyolddudeJack of All Trades 3 points4 points5 points 5 hours ago (0 children) I was just looking into Defender ATP and how much crap it logs to the cloud all the time from dns queries to installed software. It looks like that's our future and it will need to be installed to meet conditional access requirements. Looks like completely separate hardware, phones and everything between personal and work is the way forward. (Yes, I know I'm late to that game) * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]McKnightface_Jones 4 points5 points6 points 5 hours ago (0 children) Sorry boss, I don't have a smartphone XD * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (8 replies) [-]Hutch2DET[S] 2 points3 points4 points 7 hours ago (3 children) Except this directly states just talking to a coworker. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (3 replies) [-]queBurro 3 points4 points5 points 6 hours ago (2 children) Who does that using their work email? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (2 replies) [-]Rjeudhcheiif 5 points6 points7 points 6 hours ago (0 children) Next: Talking about unionising...? Edit: ah, never mind. Seems they have that covered with "workplace collusion" * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Fallingdamage 4 points5 points6 points 5 hours ago (0 children) I mentioned above, this sort of thing only catches the lowest hanging fruits. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Mr_ToDo 4 points5 points6 points 5 hours ago (0 children) Stupid, sure. Deserves to be caught, eh. I've given a pass on far more unusual things than that(well, some of the things on the list anyway). I'm not ratting out my fellow coworkers if the upper levels don't have to be held to the same level of screwiness. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]dizzley 4 points5 points6 points 6 hours ago (0 children) People forget/don't realise that employers' systems can do this. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]vhalember 1 point2 points3 points 3 hours ago (0 children) No kidding. I have a professional account for talking of other jobs and such. I suppose if I were going to engage in clearly illegal activity, or other shenanigans I'd make an account for that too. This will only catch careless imbeciles... which in all fairness? These last two years have shown all of us, there's a great many of those in the world. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (4 replies) [-]IntentionalTexanIT Manager 8 points9 points10 points 1 hour ago* (1 child) That's great Microsoft. But why can't you alert me to our CFO falling for a banking scam and wiring all our money to the scammers? * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]RedGobboRebel [score hidden] 40 minutes ago (0 children) It's actually stopped quite a few of these for our executives. But educating those folks with the keys to the accounts is really the only way. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]SkatingDoge 6 points7 points8 points 6 hours ago (4 children) Is that built into MS Teams? Or Exchange? And just O365, or even onprem Exch? Just so I know where can I collude and bribe my teammatest safely... * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]Chemical-Constant-15 7 points8 points9 points 5 hours ago (0 children) Just so I know where can I collude and bribe my teammatest safely... Offsite, without using any company resources, is where. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]5AgXMPES2fU2pTAolLAn 2 points3 points4 points 1 hour ago (1 child) https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/compliance/ communication-compliance?view=o365-worldwide I believe that's a yes * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [-]Nik_TeslaSr. Sysadmin 6 points7 points8 points 4 hours ago (0 children) Great... I always wanted to be a doctor, a construction worker, a janitor, a security guard, and now an NSA analyst... all in one underappreciated job. /s * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]LALLANAAAAAAUEMMDMEMM, Zebra lover, Bartender Admin 7 points8 points9 points 3 hours ago (0 children) Install-Module -Name CollectiveActionManagement Get-Organizers -ActionType 'Union, PayDiscussion' | % { if ( $_.IsImminent() ) { Get-Reputation $_ | Destroy-Reputation } else { Send-Propaganda $_.FullName -ThreatType 'vague' -SendToResidence } }' * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]KeyspellmacOS Admin 5 points6 points7 points 5 hours ago (0 children) Lmfao not in my environment * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]fcewen00Linux Admin 5 points6 points7 points 3 hours ago (0 children) This sounds... unpleasant, intrusive, and all-around icky. I wonder how you would go implementing this with your staff. 'Hi, we'd like you to sign off on this new policy, nah it doesn't say we are spying on you'. I can only guess as to what the job title of the person that has to do this. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]bitslammerIT Risk & Security 42 points43 points44 points 7 hours ago* (23 children) So they are moving into the UEBA realm. Nothing new here. Many products out there already do this and have been. EDIT: For a wider look at this: https://www.fortinet.com/resources/cyberglossary/what-is-ueba https://www.paloaltonetworks.com/cyberpedia/what-is-ueba https://www.proofpoint.com/us/threat-reference/ user-entity-behavior-analytics-ueba https://www.imperva.com/learn/data-security/ ueba-user-and-entity-behavior-analytics/ https://www.splunk.com/en_us/data-insider/ user-behavior-analytics-ueba.html * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]rlanthony 46 points47 points48 points 7 hours ago (19 children) I have to say... just because there's a precedent for it doesn't make it right. From a management and leadership role this makes compliance simpler but from an employee standpoint this is pointing towards the truly horrifying. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (19 replies) [-]godlyfrogSecurity Engineer [score hidden] 42 minutes ago (1 child) So they are moving into the UEBA realm. Nothing new here. I'm kind of amazed that there is such a surprised reaction to this. Do people really not know that these tools already exist and that prior to those tools existing, IT security was tasked with manually investigating these things, usually with several different tools? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]bitslammerIT Risk & Security [score hidden] 12 minutes ago (0 children) I was surprised as well at how ill informed the crowd here is about this. Maybe that's due to many being in SMBs or the lone admin type situation. UEBA has traditionally been something that only large highly regulated companies do. As you said this has been a process that's been much more manual and I'm of the mind set that when done manually people tend to cast a wider net and perhaps look at more than they would using these tools. In any case no surprise really to see all "the sky is falling" posts. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) [-]CreshalEmbedded DevSecOps 2.0 Techsupport Sysadmin Consultant [Austria] 32 points33 points34 points 6 hours ago (5 children) Really glad this shit is illegal over here. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]onelap32 3 points4 points5 points 2 hours ago (1 child) Where? And what law? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) [-]VeryDryChicken 1 point2 points3 points 2 hours ago (1 child) yeah hahaha. Although it isn't that bad for us IT folks who know how to bypass it. All the other people on the other hand.... * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [-]bfrd9kSr. Systems Engineer 13 points14 points15 points 4 hours ago (2 children) There's a difference between being auditable and being audited. Imagine having the police in your house with a warrant around the clock, and the only way to get them out is by leaving, and they are taking notes on if you seem uncomfortable, or if you seem like you're thinking about leaving. People typically want actionable information. Having a cop in your house for actionable information is a little alarming, especially when the cop was trained by microsoft of all companies. Hasn't anyone learned yet? Microsoft doesn't listen and doesn't care about you as a person, as a user, or as a paying customer. Look at their track record... and now they're going to be actively supplying your employer with literally who knows what about what they think about you. This really isn't okay. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]Hutch2DET[S] 5 points6 points7 points 4 hours ago (0 children) Right. We are all aware of eDiscovery and such. This is next level and nothing but hostile. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) [-]somewhat_pragmatic 5 points6 points7 points 4 hours ago (0 children) Future feature release note: -This release contains better detection of Cockney Rhyming Slang a growing number of users have employed to route around the Microsoft Purview Communication Compliance to avoid getting in Barney with company management. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]Almighty_Sand_Dollar 4 points5 points6 points 3 hours ago (0 children) insider risk should strictly be IT sabotage, leaking sensitive data, and credential misuse. Never should ownership have foresight of knowing if anyone is "thinking of leaving". It's a waste of time to config rules for and it's exactly why people would be wanting to work somewhere else. Work is not family and nobody owes anyone any loyalty. If you treat your people right, they will want to stay. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]spyingwindI am better than a hub because I has a table. 5 points6 points7 points 2 hours ago (0 children) So... don't use work email for job hunting related things, only use work email for work. Work is work. Personal is personal. Keep work and personal separate. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]superdabiel 27 points28 points29 points 7 hours ago (0 children) Can't wait to abuse this. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]geezer1492 18 points19 points20 points 6 hours ago (3 children) This is funny cause Microsoft went to trial for anti-monopoly practices mentioned via email (and the judge initially ordered them to be busted up) and now 20 years later they are policing the plebs. Executives will be hit hardest by this, assuming it is not selectively enforced. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]from_the_sidelinesVMs in VMs in VMs in VMs 7 points8 points9 points 2 hours ago (0 children) Executives will be hit hardest by this, assuming it is not selectively enforced. Oh bless your heart * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]chillyhellion 6 points7 points8 points 3 hours ago (0 children) assuming it is not selectively enforced. lol * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) [-]PedroAlvarez 3 points4 points5 points 2 hours ago (0 children) Inb4 I get called into HR for threatening to pour coffee on ancient hardware that should have been replaced 10 years ago. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]sirsquishy67 13 points14 points15 points 6 hours ago (4 children) IMHO, while this can be seriously abused... this one here... "Gifts & entertainment: The gifts and entertainment classifier detect messages that contain language around exchanging of gifts or entertainment in return for service, which may violate corporate policy." I actually need for my org. We have a rule that we cannot accept Vendor gifts. The company budgets for a reward system so we can go to events with Vendors on company's Dime. Yet so many try and take advantage of this. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]stonedcity_13 4 points5 points6 points 3 hours ago (1 child) The communication for the gifts can happen on personal phones .. I'd be surprised anyone is that stupid that they would use a works email to discuss the 'gift' * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (2 replies) [-]A_ParqJack of All Trades 42 points43 points44 points 7 hours ago [klvxk1wggf] (8 children) If you're not bright enough to realize that corporate comms are going to be monitored, I have a bridge as well as some oceanfront property in Montana for sale. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]Dump-ster-Fire 21 points22 points23 points 6 hours ago (4 children) If you're not bright enough to realize that corporate comms are going to be monitored O my fellow redditor, the weeping, the gnashing of teeth, the wavings of constitutions I have witnessed first and second hand on this. You are spot on. It is not your network. It's not your email. It's not your Teams chat. Anything you say can be read aloud in court at some point if you wind up fucking the neighbors cat. This isn't Orwell you silly twits. It is common sense. It is Orwell when they mic up your Alexa and you can't turn her off, and THEN plug in the algorithm to detect thoughtcrime. If you need to vent with co-workers, go have lunch with benefits (read: slam margaritas or something). Share out of band contact information, and then communicate OUT OF BAND with corporate. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Onorhc 18 points19 points20 points 6 hours ago (2 children) I think the fear is more false positives. It flags you emailing your taxes to a spouse, and now its not just Zuckerberg that knows you make 37K but also Janice in OpSec. Not a HUGE deal at million dollar orgs where its expected, policied, and separate department, but if it becomes more common I don't see much difference between this and turning on your laptops mic 24/7 and checking for keywords. Should all be work related right? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (1 reply) [-]on4word 1 point2 points3 points 4 hours ago (0 children) Not quite the ocean, but close - my dream property: https://hallhall.com/property-for-sale/montana/cromwell-island/ a095d00002M1rFo/ * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (2 replies) [-]BecomeABenefit 19 points20 points21 points 6 hours ago (7 children) Some of that makes sense, but Leavers, Corporate sabotage, and Workplace collusion can only be abused. There's literally no business case where that makes sense. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]krankieAdmin of a base that contains data 7 points8 points9 points 5 hours ago (1 child) "Okay, but, ... ill set the building on fire" * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]DYMongoose 2 points3 points4 points 4 hours ago (0 children) "I'll put strychnine in the guacamole." * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Ssakaa 19 points20 points21 points 5 hours ago (1 child) There's literally no business case Those things impact the bottom line. The business case is literally protecting the bottom line. There's potentially no moral, ethical, case for it, but there's ABSOLUTELY a business case for it. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) [-]bhendersysadmin-adjacent 3 points4 points5 points 3 hours ago (0 children) Leavers is literally the main business use case for insider threat programs like this lol. https://www.biospace.com/article/ csl-behring-pharming-group-embroiled-in-intellectual-property-lawsuit / * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]PhreakitureStorage Admin 2 points3 points4 points 2 hours ago (1 child) No business case for detecting corporate sabotage? Of course there is. Sabotage is costly, and, depending on the industry, may also be dangerous. Note, this is not an endorsement of this technology. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) [-]scootscoot 2 points3 points4 points 5 hours ago (0 children) So is this limited to enterprise data, or does this pull in LinkedIn and whatever it can pull from the users personal accounts? * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]pm-me-ur-dank-maymay 2 points3 points4 points 5 hours ago (1 child) Is this regarding Teams chat? * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]Organic_Mix7180 3 points4 points5 points 2 hours ago (0 children) And Office, OneDrive documents, Outlook... * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]thockinator 2 points3 points4 points 3 hours ago (0 children) Time to create a phrase that triggers all alarms and send it in every message. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]JustaRandomOldGuy 2 points3 points4 points 3 hours ago (0 children) So if I line up a new job, keep sending "I'm leaving" until I get fired? I'll plan a break of a month and enjoy unemployment. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]kremlingrasso 2 points3 points4 points 2 hours ago (1 child) good that the users don't have any other means of communication let's say a tiny little computer that fits into a poket and has its own independent internet connection. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) [-]Knightified 6 points7 points8 points 6 hours ago (1 child) Well that's terrifying. Granted if you're explicitly messaging that on work communications it's not a good idea to begin with, but wow. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) [-]Behind8Proxies 5 points6 points7 points 2 hours ago (1 child) I'm sure the gifts and entertainment, stock manipulation and money laundering policies will not apply to company executives. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) [-]vhexsWindows/Azure Admin 6 points7 points8 points 5 hours ago (0 children) This isn't real, is it? Sounds borderline real and that is terrifying. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]peterthedoor 4 points5 points6 points 4 hours ago (1 child) looks like a gdpr nightmare for them, doesn't it? * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) [-]spuckthew 4 points5 points6 points 7 hours ago (0 children) This is like some Minority Report-esque shit lol * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]jzaczyk 2 points3 points4 points 3 hours ago (0 children) Oh good. Thought crimes. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]WickedKoalaLead Technical Architect 1 point2 points3 points 3 hours ago (0 children) Like a poor-mans Minority Report for corporate crimes. This will end well. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]fizzlefist.docx files in attack position! 1 point2 points3 points 2 hours ago (0 children) That all sounds like bullshit... Though really, you shouldn't be having that sort of "questionable" communications on any of your work-managed devices at all. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]Alaknar 1 point2 points3 points 1 hour ago (0 children) Am I misunderstanding something here or are you guys panicking a bit? How does this differ from any other DLP solution out there? * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]Drenlin 1 point2 points3 points 1 hour ago (0 children) Working in a secure DOD facility, all of this seems pretty normal... * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply load more comments (122 replies) * about * blog * about * advertising * careers * help * site rules * Reddit help center * reddiquette * mod guidelines * contact us * apps & tools * Reddit for iPhone * Reddit for Android * mobile website * <3 * reddit premium * reddit coins Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy. (c) 2022 reddit inc. 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