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Learn More discussions in r/cscareerquestions <> X 314 * 130 comments I am so tired of all the BS at AWS 2627 * 351 comments PSA: If you want to know why a big company rejected you, send them a GDPR request 81 * 101 comments Advice for a Registered Nurse looking to make a career change. 717 * 214 comments Anyone else basically a terrible worker until 3 hours after getting online? 95 * 125 comments Bad programmers 22 * 18 comments How do you recover when you blank on a question? 13 * 11 comments As a freelancer, what time should/shouldn't I be billing my client for? 30 * 18 comments Only software developer left in company and I'm only 6 weeks in 24 * 32 comments From a career perspective, which is more relevant to learn: C or C++? 25 * 25 comments How has remote work changed your day to day? Welcome to Reddit, the front page of the internet. Become a Redditor and join one of thousands of communities. x 2631 2632 2633 ExperiencedPSA: If you want to know why a big company rejected you, send them a GDPR request (self.cscareerquestions) submitted 1 day ago * by away_shall_be_thrown[silver_48][gold_48] [klvxk1wggf][5izbv4fn0m]4 FANG and other big companies keep the data that you generated while interviewing with them forever. Under GDPR, they are required to provide you with this data request. Just send them an email with a request for this data and they must comply (say in the email that it is a formal notification of a GDPR request). I have personally tested this with a couple of FAANG companies and the response was quite surprising. There was an interview that I felt went great but the interviewer thought I didn't know how to use a std::vector and thus rated my coding skills as bad (even though I did know how to perfectly use a fucking vector as I use one almost every day in my job). A lot of information will be redacted from these documents but it is still a useful source of feedback! EDIT: Many people seem to think that "running a background check" can easily reveal whether you are a European resident or not. It's not that simple, one could easily hold dual nationality without it showing up anywhere. That have no way of knowing at all EDIT 2: The way this works is that large companies have entire departments that deal with these sorts of requests. A sample email you could send is: SUBJECT: GDPR request for accessing my previous interview feedback Hi, I would like access to all of my interview feedback data. I interviewed with your company on mm-dd-yy. My full name is X X This is a formal GDPR request to access this data. Thank you, CandidateName * 351 comments * share * save * hide * report top 200 commentsshow all 351 sorted by: best topnewcontroversialoldrandomq&alive (beta) [ ] Want to add to the discussion? Post a comment! Create an account [-]theanav 371 points372 points373 points 1 day ago (14 children) Who exactly did you email when you did this? The recruiter you were working with? * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]BigYoSpeck 299 points300 points301 points 1 day ago (10 children) It may differ company to company, but at my place we were told anyone who gets a gdpr request needs to make sure it reaches the appropriate person I'm a software developer and don't have any dealings with people external to my organisation, but a request lands in my inbox for any reason and I need to follow it up Not complying with a gdpr request is very serious and I get the impression 'that's not my responsibility' doesn't fly * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]actualspaceturtle 116 points117 points118 points 22 hours ago (1 child) If I got a GDPR request in my inbox the first thought I'd have is the security team developed a messed up sense of humor with their phishing tests. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]MechakoopaSoftware Architect 34 points35 points36 points 16 hours ago (0 children) That's a fantastic pen testing avenue though as a one off though. Blanketing everyone with a GDPR request would be too obvious, but how much due diligence is done on a one off request that came through someone plucked off the corporate contacts page? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]cisco_frisco 95 points96 points97 points 1 day ago* (0 children) we were told anyone who gets a gdpr request needs to make sure it reaches the appropriate person Yes, that is correct. GDPS expressly prohibits organizations from mandating that you raise a request in a particular manner, through a particular person and in a particular format. They can point to their privacy contact on their website and suggest in the strongest possible terms that you follow their process, but they cannot compel a requestor to do so. I'm a software developer and don't have any dealings with people external to my organisation, but a request lands in my inbox for any reason and I need to follow it up Right, you have a legal obligation to do exactly that and there are stringent penalties for non-compliance. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]SatansF4TE 22 points23 points24 points 1 day ago (0 children) Yes, you're absolutely expected to try make sure it gets to the right person (in whatever way) * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]McnstSr. Systems Software Engineer (UK, US, Canada) 12 points13 points14 points 21 hours ago (0 children) So, I can just send it to the CEO, then? LOL * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (5 replies) [-]PimpDaddyo 14 points15 points16 points 17 hours ago (0 children) It's super easy to find in the company's privacy policy (usually) by searching "GDPR". It's required by law that they include a contact and that's where most will put it. I am just finishing up with getting my company up to compliance with this and similar privacy regs. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]bonerfleximus 2 points3 points4 points 7 hours ago (1 child) GDPR is awesome for consumers but annoying for companies l. They don't have solid best practices in place in a lot of companies because GDPR is semi new, so they play it safe by bending over every time someone makes a GDPR request. As others have posted, my company has similar guidelines to escalate any GDPR request to certain internal delegates who specialize in handling the requests. I think this process might even be specified in the GDPR, I always gloss over the yearly training lol * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]theanav 1 point2 points3 points 7 hours ago (0 children) Yeah and in the US now more and more states are coming out with similar policies that are close but also different like CCPA. Kinda interesting seeing handling compliance become a bigger and bigger job every year since it's something you have to keep in mind as you scale your stuff up * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]ToadOfTheFuture 1477 points1478 points1479 points 1 day ago [Starry_48] (57 children) Send a second GDPR request and you'll learn a lot about the company's blacklisting policies. (But seriously, this is a great hack, and I'm sure they'll figure out how to close this loophole). * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]theGr8GapingB 571 points572 points573 points 1 day ago (20 children) Just make a third GDPR request to DELETE the relevant data. Rinse and repeat. (Please do not do this, or do I'm not a cop) * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Valuable_Custard_68 353 points354 points355 points 23 hours ago (11 children) Big brain, fail interview, delete data, try again immediately. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [+][deleted] 20 hours ago (8 children) [deleted] [-]Valuable_Custard_68 101 points102 points103 points 20 hours ago (0 children) Step two is to continue interviewing with new identities, simultaneously get multiple offers and have them compete against themselves without revealing the company. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]Cool-Miner 52 points53 points54 points 20 hours ago (4 children) What's Meta? All I know is Mark Zuckerburg's FaceBook, responsible for enabling genocide in Myanmar. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]Streiger108 36 points37 points38 points 17 hours ago (0 children) You should make a bot to do this * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (3 replies) load more comments (2 replies) [-]Zzamioculcas 9 points10 points11 points 13 hours ago (1 child) There's a catch that some policies allow maintaining data for 6 months before deletion and it is OK per GDPR. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]burgerissues 1 point2 points3 points 7 hours ago (0 children) Waiting 6 months is still better than getting blacklisted. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]DweEbLez0 41 points42 points43 points 22 hours ago (2 children) Okay but if you're a cop and you say you're not a cop that's entrapment! Then I will GDPR request and find out the troof! * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]NewChameleonSoftware Engineer, SF 12 points13 points14 points 18 hours ago (1 child) lmao I remember reading this, no idea who perpetuated this myth but cops are absolutely legally allowed to flat out lie to you, otherwise imagine: crime boss: so I'd like to hire you undercover cop: great! how much are you paying? crime boss: $2mil/year, but first I have to ask, are you a cop? undercover cop: uhhhhhhh * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) [-]icuredumb 7 points8 points9 points 23 hours ago (0 children) just words on a screen. (zero liability) lol * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Muhamad_Makan_Titit 6 points7 points8 points 22 hours ago (0 children) Who are you who are so wise in the ways of science? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]schnozzberriestaste 3 points4 points5 points 20 hours ago (0 children) it's GDPR requests all the way down.. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (2 replies) [-]kbfprivate 91 points92 points93 points 1 day ago (23 children) I'm curious why I company wouldn't simply start deleting the feedback once they find people are requesting it. Sure you might get the request back but it only lists the date you were rejected and maybe the role. It could get really interesting if Russians started sending millions of requests for anyone they scraped off LinkedIn who is a developer. What prevents a company from having an intern simply return the data to any kinda legitimate looking email address? You going to prove your identity by sending personal information over email? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]SatansF4TE 89 points90 points91 points 1 day ago (16 children) Part of keeping data secure is ensuring you authenticate incoming requests for data. Everywhere I've worked would only consider sending data to your registered and verified home address or email (which were validated as part of sign up, since it's a licensed financial firm.) * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]kbfprivate 21 points22 points23 points 23 hours ago (8 children) Requiring the sign up email address is definitely the way to go then. But I also wonder if eventually any useful information is sent out. It could come down to the interviewer simply having an internal conversation and saying no and clicking "No offer granted" and only keeping that in their systems. A name, a date of application, a decision and a decision date is really all that is needed. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]contralle 26 points27 points28 points 22 hours ago* (2 children) (edited for correctness, I forgot a category) Remember that only certain types of data are in scope for GDPR. If data isn't personally identifiable (name, address, unique user ID, payment, etc.) and can't be used to identify you (for example, data tied to certain location or timeclock data - varies a lot), and isn't associated with data in these two prior categories, then GDPR doesn't apply. IANAL, but from my experience doing GDPR work, in most cases your resume would be subject to GDPR, but your responses to a coding question - or an interviewer's opinions of your responses - would not be. The data available due to a GDPR request is highly dependent on what information is associated with identifiers. Maybe some people write the interviewee's full name and work history in their interview notes. I don't, so I think it would be a stretch to argue that my notes are subject to GDPR, for instance. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]latkde 6 points7 points8 points 12 hours ago (0 children) Your first paragraph is misleading. Personal data is any information that relates to an identifiable person, where "identifiable" is interpreted pretty broadly (see Recital 26 of the GDPR). So it's not just directly identifying information (~PII in a US context), but also info about persons that can only be identified indirectly through the use of additional information, and any information linked to such directly or indirectly. Or in SQL speak: if you can figure out that one row in one table is about a certain person, anything you can join on that table (e.g. via a foreign-key constraint) is probably going to be that person's personal data as well. If responses to a quizz are stored in a manner that makes it possible to figure out who answered them, then those responses would clearly be personal data. An interviewers opinions are more tricky, since the opinions are both the applicant's and interviewer's personal data. Here, the exception to the Art 15 right to access might apply that it shall not negatively impact the rights and freedoms of others. Usually, this can be achieved via redactions. Notes are not in scope of the GDPR unless they are electronic or intended for inclusion in a filing system. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Notsononymous 10 points11 points12 points 15 hours ago (0 children) What's the point of keeping the interview notes if they don't identify the candidate? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]SatansF4TE 2 points3 points4 points 23 hours ago (0 children) There's certainly use cases for analysing rejection reasons and other data to identify trends, but if companies really cared there are ways to do that without storing the data I guess. Ultimately I suspect it's a no issue for companies to provide the data for the occasional rare request * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (4 replies) [-]Nonethewiserer 2 points3 points4 points 23 hours ago (6 children) In some cases, giving your home address completely nullifies the point of GDPR. You may very well be giving someone more data than they have on you. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]i_agree_with_myself 3 points4 points5 points 19 hours ago* (4 children) Maybe if it is a small company that doesn't follow the law. Big companies want to follow the law to avoid massive fines. I programmed for this exact issue at my old work place (for California's version of GDPR). There just isn't a good solution. Do you prefer a world where some random person can access and delete your information with a company? Also, the reality is that my company still kept your data and "soft delete it." AKA, keep the data but mark it as not to show up in queries. The reason for this is because we were an e-commerce website that have to keep our transaction data for 7 years. That transaction data includes your first name, last name, credit card, and billing address. There is no forgetting you if we have that and we can't not have that. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (4 replies) [-]SatansF4TE 1 point2 points3 points 23 hours ago (0 children) That's true, but I was talking about my experience which is in regulated industries where we would already have to store it for legal reasons. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]cisco_frisco 31 points32 points33 points 1 day ago (2 children) It could get really interesting if Russians started sending millions of requests for anyone they scraped off LinkedIn who is a developer. What prevents a company from having an intern simply return the data to any kinda legitimate looking email address? GDPR expressly permits companies to reject requests that are "manifestly unfounded", which would cover exactly the type of systematic disruption that you speak of. You going to prove your identity by sending personal information over email? Yes, that's exactly what you do if the company has a legitimate need to actually request proof of identity. For what it's worth I've actually raised several GDPR requests over the last few years, and in only one case did the organization request proof of identity (and they had appropriate legal grounds for doing so). * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]kbfprivate 3 points4 points5 points 1 day ago (1 child) If not every company requests proof doesn't that open up the email requests to fraud? If I know a few of my classmates applied at Amazon and live in EU, what would stop me from requesting via fake email addresses the information around my application? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]cisco_frisco 7 points8 points9 points 23 hours ago (0 children) If not every company requests proof doesn't that open up the email requests to fraud? It really depends on the nature of the request. Organizations are not allowed to put an unreasonable burden on applicants exercising their rights, so they generally can't ask for something like a copy of a passport or driving license unless the nature of the information being requested (medical records for example) genuinely warrants it. If I know a few of my classmates applied at Amazon and live in EU, what would stop me from requesting via fake email addresses the information around my application? The fact that the request was coming from a different email address than the one associated with the application would be the first tell-tale sign that something was amiss, and that a higher burden of proof might be requested from the applicant. I don't know what burden of proof would be appropriate in the scenario that you've described as I've only interacted with GDPR from the perspective of a data subject. In general they are allowed to ask for sufficient information to satisfy themselves as to your identity, but what they cannot do is jump straight to the level of requesting a scan of your Government ID. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (3 replies) [-]hextreeSoftware Engineer 32 points33 points34 points 20 hours ago (0 children) It isn't really a loophole, it's how GDPR is intended to work. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]xkrap 25 points26 points27 points 1 day ago (7 children) What does this mean? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]maq0r 125 points126 points127 points 1 day ago (0 children) That after you send the first one, you'll be blacklisted, which will show up on the 2nd request. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]im088 63 points64 points65 points 1 day ago (5 children) He's saying that the initial GDPR request (even though fullfilled) would result in them adding you to their blacklist. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (5 replies) [-]amalgamatecs 14 points15 points16 points 21 hours ago (0 children) I'm sure they'll figure out how to close this loophole GDPR means you own your data so I don't see how they can * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (2 replies) [-]MCPtzSenior Software Engineer 98 points99 points100 points 1 day ago (10 children) Under California CCPA: If you are a California resident, you may ask businesses to disclose what personal information they have about you and what they do with that information, to delete your personal information and not to sell your personal information. So also California residents. Personal information is information that identifies, relates to, or could reasonably be linked with you or your household. For example, it could include your name, social security number, email address, records of products purchased, internet browsing history, geolocation data, fingerprints, and inferences from other personal information that could create a profile about your preferences and characteristics. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]PMMN 6 points7 points8 points 22 hours ago (9 children) Doesn't say they have to pass the data to you on request though, no? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS 31 points32 points33 points 22 hours ago (8 children) That's what disclosure means in this context * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]PMMN 2 points3 points4 points 21 hours ago (0 children) Ahh I see. TIL, thanks * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]plaregold 3 points4 points5 points 20 hours ago (6 children) Not really. The wording is to disclose what personal information they have on you. So they can literally list the definition you provided i.e. "we have your name, etc." without providing actual details you are after. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS 14 points15 points16 points 20 hours ago (5 children) That's not my understanding of what you have to provide for DSARs. See this for instance: https://www.comparitech.com/ data-privacy-management/what-is-dsar/ You have to actually provide the data and give them the opportunity to correct etc. This resource isn't CCPA-specific but as far as I know GDPR and CCPA are usually handled at once because the requirements are similar * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (5 replies) [-]c_sclumsoon 281 points282 points283 points 1 day ago (5 children) Good to know! Yeah a lot of interviewers are actually really really terrible at evaluating candidates, despite giving the appearance that they know what they're talking about. You learn this the more you interview. You ESPECIALLY learn this when you're on the other side of the interviewing table some day. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]new2bay 92 points93 points94 points 23 hours ago (3 children) Yes, and this is because most companies lack a standardized, structured process. With a structured interview, you end up asking the same or similar questions to every candidate. That makes it easier to calibrate evaluations, among other things. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]ILoveOldFatHairyMen 11 points12 points13 points 8 hours ago (0 children) Yes, and this is because most companies lack a standardized, structured process. With a structured interview, you end up asking the same or similar questions to every candidate. That makes it easier to calibrate evaluations, among other things. Well, a great argument against a standardized, structured process is that you weed out candidates that are good, but fail at that particular task. This is particularly important when you have more than one position open, candidate applied to position A, but would actually be a very good match for position B. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Streiger108 31 points32 points33 points 17 hours ago (0 children) But also easier for the candidates to "hack", especially if you're a big company. The decentralization has a benefit. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Deathspiral222 1 point2 points3 points 3 hours ago (0 children) The problem with a structured interview is simple: people can, and do, share notes on what questions were asked. Many, many years ago a third-party recruiter had me apply to Amazon through them. A day before the interview, the recruiter told me exactly what questions were going to be asked and told me to study them. Apparently after every engineer he sent there had interviewed, he called them back up and asked them what questions were asked, and most people told him. (I got the offer from Amazon but declined it) * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]txgsync 18 points19 points20 points 23 hours ago (0 children) I'm pretty much a lovable pillock yet still a hiring manager. My only consolation when I contemplate my peer managers is that I am apparently in good company. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]burdalane 84 points85 points86 points 1 day ago* (10 children) Interesting... I wonder if this will hurt your future interviewing prospects. Perhaps it won't if the GPDR request is handled by a different department that doesn't care about recruiting. I've had FAANG recruiters give me interview feedback without being asked. It might have been because I did so poorly that the reasons were self-evident. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]away_shall_be_thrown[S] 55 points56 points57 points 23 hours ago (9 children) You can also ask them to delete all of the data they gave on you as a follow-up * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]joshuahtree 23 points24 points25 points 21 hours ago (6 children) Yeah, but they probably store if you make a GDPR request. I'd be really hesitant to do this before I heard of someone doing it and then getting hired anyway * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]SabrewolfSpace Systems Embedded Controls 69 points70 points71 points 21 hours ago (4 children) GDPR the GDPR request, it's GDPR all the way down * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]joshuahtree 2 points3 points4 points 19 hours ago (3 children) Then they'll store that you made the GDPR request about the GDPR request... There is no base case * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]SabrewolfSpace Systems Embedded Controls 23 points24 points25 points 19 hours ago (2 children) We have a business opportunity to maintain legacy GDPR recursions on behalf of paying clients, it's genius * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]away_shall_be_thrown[S] 12 points13 points14 points 15 hours ago (1 child) GDPR as a service GAAS * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]ThisIsSpooky 10 points11 points12 points 15 hours ago (0 children) GAASlight your recruiters today!! * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]lIllIlIIIlIIIIlIlIll 18 points19 points20 points 20 hours ago (0 children) The GDPR request itself would also be personal data, which would have to be deleted. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (2 replies) [-]UnistrutNut 18 points19 points20 points 21 hours ago (0 children) "UnistrutNut was turned down because he violently farted and then blamed the smell on the interviewer. While we respect the power move, it's not the type of behavior we look for in a data entry associate." * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]Sad_Ingenuity_5683 17 points18 points19 points 1 day ago (6 children) Will they question me if I told the recruiter before that I'm US based? Could we see an example of your email? * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]SatansF4TE 21 points22 points23 points 1 day ago (5 children) You can be US resident and a European citizen right? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]away_shall_be_thrown[S] 4 points5 points6 points 23 hours ago (3 children) Yes you can * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]The_JSQuareD 14 points15 points16 points 20 hours ago (2 children) But citizenship doesn't have anything to do with GDPR. GDPR protects the data of individuals who reside in the EU (regardless of citizenship), and it specifically applies to data collected by companies as a result of offering goods or services within the EU. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]latkde 9 points10 points11 points 12 hours ago (0 children) And, to be ultra pedantic, not even residency matters. GDPR applies to a company if one of the following applies: * Art 3(1): the processing activities occurred in the context of a European "establishment" * Art 3(2)(a): the processing activities are related to offering goods or services to people in Europe * Art 3(2)(b): the processing activities involve monitoring of behaviour of people who are in Europe (where I use Europe to mean EU/EEA for the EU GDPR, but the UK for the UK GDPR). Employment is not an offer of goods or services so 3(2)(a) won't apply. Realistically, GDPR would only apply when applying to a position in Europe (regardless of where the applicant is). But there might be an argument that a remote interview involves monitoring of behaviour, so that it would be covered if the applicant conducted the interview while in Europe. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [-]fluffyxsama 43 points44 points45 points 23 hours ago (1 child) Reminds me of when an interviewer told me my definition of polymorphism was wrong, then gave me his definition, which was... Well, I'm not going to say his was wrong, but I know my definition wasn't. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) [-]Ballard_77 53 points54 points55 points 1 day ago (2 children) Can you post one you have gotten back? * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]SWEWorkAccount 13 points14 points15 points 5 hours ago (1 child) There's not a chance OP has tried this themselves. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]PoeticResoluion 4 points5 points6 points 4 hours ago (0 children) Yup, this post is perfect for reddit but has no basis in reality. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]fracturedpersona 90 points91 points92 points 1 day ago (50 children) How does this help me if I'm not in Europe? * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS 36 points37 points38 points 1 day ago (2 children) California has a similar law fwiw. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]BumbleFuckDuck 6 points7 points8 points 1 day ago (1 child) What is it called? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]new2bay 32 points33 points34 points 23 hours ago* (0 children) California Consumer Privacy Act Edit: here's a comparison between the CCPA and GDPR: https:// www.bakerlaw.com/webfiles/Privacy/2018/Articles/CCPA-GDPR-Chart.pdf * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Impressive-Disk-7910 64 points65 points66 points 1 day ago (1 child) You don't need to prove that you're an EU resident to send a GDPR request. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]ROCINANTE_IS_SALVAGE 11 points12 points13 points 22 hours ago (0 children) They could require proof, but most companies probably won't bother. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]gigibuffoon 6 points7 points8 points 21 hours ago (2 children) In the US, California was the first state to introduce legislation in 2018 similar to GDPR... all companies had to implement a way for people to request information that the company had on them regardless of whether the requester was an employee/customer/etc., or not and this was expanded to other states Source: worked on a project to implement its requirements CCPA: https://www.oag.ca.gov/privacy/ccpa * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (2 replies) [-]away_shall_be_thrown[S] 20 points21 points22 points 1 day ago (40 children) They don't know that you're not a European resident * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]The_JSQuareD 13 points14 points15 points 21 hours ago (2 children) That doesn't matter. What matters is if the data was collected as a result of business activity in the EU. Whether you are a EU citizen or resident is irrelevant. If the company is offering a position in, say, the US, and advertises on American job boards, etc., then any data you give them in the course of interviews is likely not protected under GDPR. Perhaps there's an exception if they're knowingly interviewing candidates who live in Europe for positions in the US, with the understanding that the candidate would relocate. But if you live in the US and interview for a position in the US, there's no reason GDPR would come into play. See this source for example: If I am an EU citizen working in the United States, does GDPR apply? NO If the personal data of the EU citizen is not collected or processed as a result of the offering of goods and services within the EU, the GDPR would not apply. The aforementioned language suggests that if a data controller or processor is not established in the EU and does not target data subjects in the EU, then it does not have to comply with the GDPR when processing data even if that data belongs to an EU citizen. Therefore, when EU citizens avail themselves of goods and services targeted to people outside the EU, they do so without the protections of the GDPR. https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g= 0dc9663d-ac3b-438e-adcd-1415a45f99ca * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]latkde 4 points5 points6 points 12 hours ago (0 children) Agreed. In this comment I also argue that employment wouldn't even involve an offer of goods or services. So despite what OP says, the only reason why GDPR would come into play is when applying for a position in Europe. Big companies have like actual lawyers who know their stuff, so they won't hand out any information they're not required to. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]TheN473 1 point2 points3 points 11 hours ago (0 children) Great article here dispelling GDPR myths. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]timmyotcMid-Level SWE/Devops 65 points66 points67 points 1 day ago (27 children) They absolutely do if they ran a background check on you and/or you applied for a position only open to US residents. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Deathknife 26 points27 points28 points 23 hours ago (0 children) they won't run a background check on you if they are rejecting you also pretty sure you need to consent for a background check * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]JustthenewsonCS 35 points36 points37 points 1 day ago (11 children) Your naive as hell if you think they are going to risk breaking a law like the one OP is talking about over just giving the information. Also, most companies don't background check you until after interview process. Why is a company going to waste money on that (outside a few exceptions) before hiring? Answer, they won't. Nevermind OP can request it AFTER they move to a country the law is applicable. Anyways, you keep not sending it. It's cool. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]minimaxirData Scientist 15 points16 points17 points 1 day ago (2 children) A component of the GDPR process is proving that the individual asking for the data is who they say they are. (otherwise there would be a lot of fake requests for malicious use) Typically this includes an address or other forms of verification. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]hextreeSoftware Engineer 4 points5 points6 points 20 hours ago (0 children) What would an address prove though? Surely the only ID that makes sense would be a passport. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) [-]contralle 5 points6 points7 points 22 hours ago* (0 children) Companies developed different policies for different types of information and different types of systems, with the advice of counsel. GDPR does not provide a right to any data a company has ever collected in relation to you, only that data which is personal / could be used to identify an individual. Your answer to a typical coding question and the interviewer's assessment of your answer is not covered under GDPR, for instance. My interview notes definitely don't contain the type of data covered by GDPR. (Edit: Assuming they are not associated with identifying information already.) If you're an authenticated API user, yeah, it's pretty rare to verify whether you're actually in scope for GDPR (because it's easier to not check). But for processes that require more manual collation of data / where the requester's identity is harder to verify, you often will find much more scrutiny of who is in scope. IANAL, just have done lots of GDPR work. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]timmyotcMid-Level SWE/Devops 9 points10 points11 points 1 day ago (2 children) If the protip is to become a citizen of an EU nation to get interview feedback, it's a shitty tip. Like /u/minimaxir said, they're probably not super jazzed about giving out all that information so they'll probably insist that someone actually prove they are EU citizens. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (4 replies) [-]hextreeSoftware Engineer 1 point2 points3 points 20 hours ago* (0 children) Background checks check your work and criminal history. It doesn't tell them where in the world you are resident. Heck, even the UK tax office has no idea where I'm living unless I update them. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (13 replies) [-]fracturedpersona 7 points8 points9 points 1 day ago (4 children) They do if I gave them my address as part of the application process. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]away_shall_be_thrown[S] 9 points10 points11 points 23 hours ago (3 children) You can live in the US or Canada and still be a legal European resident * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]hardolaf 7 points8 points9 points 20 hours ago (0 children) But that's irrelevant. The GDPR explicitly only protects data with nexus to the EU itself not the person who may or may not be an EU resident or citizen. So if the offering is for a position in the USA and the interview in the USA, the GDPR doesn't apply. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (2 replies) [-]Brandon432 1 point2 points3 points 1 day ago (0 children) I think that's a bit optimistic to assume Facebook, Google, and Apple don't have an extraordinary amount of data on you are ready. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (3 replies) load more comments (1 reply) [-]facetrolledSRE @ FAANG 232 points233 points234 points 1 day ago (63 children) honestly you might have better luck just sending a polite e-mail to the recruiter/hiring manager before sending a GDPR request. In my experience at least, people are more willing to help out pleasant people. Shit, I had a manager schedule 15 minutes with me once to explain over the phone where I missed the mark. I guess if you were that determined to get feedback that you could send a GDPR request formally, but I would start with just asking for feedback politely. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]away_shall_be_thrown[S] 219 points220 points221 points 1 day ago [silver_48] (31 children) Doing this will get you very general and "business culture" type of feedback, specially with recruiters. "Focus on your architectural knowledge", "sharpen your algorithm skills", "make sure you dominate those data structures". This is fine I guess but the kind of feedback you get from the GDPR request is way more raw. It has the straight interviewer notes where you read things like: * What evaluation template were they using * Whether some interviewers disagreed between themselves * Whether the interviewer liked talking to you or not * How did they compare to other candidates This is extremely valuable because as shown with my std::vector example, you can find out what things are you messing up because of your nerves and anxiety and what things are you messing up because you really don't know * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]new2bay 36 points37 points38 points 23 hours ago (27 children) Not to mention it probably makes it easier to prep for the next time you apply. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]surprisedropbears 117 points118 points119 points 22 hours ago (26 children) Next time you apply? Lmao- you aren't getting a next time if you pull this. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]new2bay 15 points16 points17 points 22 hours ago (20 children) Good luck with that. Just submit a deletion request after the original request is satisfied. Nobody at BigCo is gonna remember you or care, anyway. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]SugarTacos 31 points32 points33 points 21 hours ago (11 children) a delete request likely won't get rid of this information. A company is allowed to maintain personal data that is required by law or otherwise business critical. They may very well consider their HR records business critical and in some areas required to be maintained to satisfy legal reporting. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (11 replies) [-]Ksevio -1 points0 points1 point 21 hours ago (7 children) You can't just request a company delete a record of your interview, they have a right to maintain that info * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]new2bay 7 points8 points9 points 21 hours ago (6 children) It's considered personal information if it's identifiable to you. So, yeah, you can. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Ksevio 1 point2 points3 points 21 hours ago (5 children) Good luck with that. Next you can try submitting a GDPR request to Target to remove you from their list of shoplifters * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]new2bay 11 points12 points13 points 21 hours ago (3 children) To help customers comply with the GDPR, Spark Hire has developed a way for candidates to request the permanent deletion of their interviews with you. You were saying? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]maskedwithaface 4 points5 points6 points 20 hours ago (0 children) You're arguing with someone who has no understanding of the real world. Don't bother * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (1 reply) [-]extra_riceSenior 2 points3 points4 points 20 hours ago (3 children) Can you not request for the reason you get blacklisted as well? If they say it's due to the request to access your information, can you not legally challenge that? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]PrimaxAUSDirector Tech Delivery 9 points10 points11 points 13 hours ago (2 children) Sure you can ask for that information. And you can legally challenge it. And you are going to fail, and ultimately you can't sue your way into making someone hire you. This isn't fucking magic. All you're going to do is piss off a bunch of people at the company, and they will remember. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]extra_riceSenior 4 points5 points6 points 13 hours ago (1 child) You are blacklisted for exercising your rights. It's not like you're behaving badly; you act in accordance to the rules. Sure, they ultimately have the option to not hire you, but exercising the right for information shouldn't be the reason for it. Only a fool would think they can sue their way into employment (unless you're practicing law?). Then again, if you sue and won, you probably wouldn't need to work anyway. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [-]extra_riceSenior 4 points5 points6 points 20 hours ago (0 children) Yup. I feel like this just adds insult to injury after you get rejected. Software engineers, we rely heavily on feedback. We do lots of user research, we add observability to our system, we do loads of testing, etc. I understand there are legal reasons companies cannot be more open about the feedback, but that doesn't make it any less frustrating. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Former_Literature_60 3 points4 points5 points 10 hours ago (0 children) Your hack sounds like it would only work on an interview where there's a skills test with written responses and formalized retention of those responses. So that's a pretty narrow subset of professional jobs--basically programmers only (specifically developers--not general IT), and almost certainly FAANG-only. If you tried this at my job (US Fortune 100), you'd get ignored. If you persisted, you might get a letter back saying no such material exists. I've functioned as a hiring manager before and the only written documentation that gets generated during the interview process are the meeting invites that get sent and whatever notes the interviewer jots down, often on actual paper. Further, if I as a hiring manager became aware of a candidate doing this, I'd blacklist that candidate at my company and make sure others know about it, too. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) [-]txgsync 52 points53 points54 points 23 hours ago* (6 children) I make a point to ask every candidate we reject -- who made it past the technical screening -- if they have any questions and would like an in-person follow-up about the feedback leading to their rejection. I schedule 20 minutes. I verbally summarize their strengths and the weaknesses that resulted in them being passed over. I give them my personal phone number and email address as the hiring manager if they have more follow-up questions. What's really curious to me is that of the great many to whom I've offered, only a handful accepted this invitation. EDIT: It's interesting that some replies assume I lack the support of "HR". I have repeated & explicit support from our Recruiting team -- part of "HR", though it's not called that here -- to book-end candidate interviews as a hiring manager. I talk the candidate through the process as the very first conversation they have in Software Engineering, then review with them how it went as the very last one whether they got the job or not. Unfortunately I lack the time to reply individually to each responder, so I'll settle for this edit. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]lost12487 29 points30 points31 points 22 hours ago (0 children) I think it's because of what OP said in another comment. A lot of this feedback is very generic and "corporatey." You're one of the very few who takes the time to do this, so kudos! * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]zninjamonkey 11 points12 points13 points 17 hours ago (0 children) How is HR or legal okay with you doing that? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]facetrolledSRE @ FAANG 9 points10 points11 points 21 hours ago (1 child) That's very generous of you. I know I'd certainly appreciate that kind of invitation. I wish I had the time for it, or I'd do the same thing. Sadly, when you interview 100 candidates in a week for 2-3 positions, it just isn't feasible to offer that amount of time up. Good for you for being able to do that, though. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]txgsync 2 points3 points4 points 17 hours ago (0 children) Luckily, my team is fairly small. Definitely makes it easier when you're filtering thousands of resumes to screen hundreds to interview a few dozen for a position. I can scarcely imagine how tough it must be to run a full interview panel against 100 candidates in a week! * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]uski 5 points6 points7 points 9 hours ago (0 children) Some companies do not do this because anything you say in a rejection context can potentially be used as grounds for a discrimination lawsuit. By definition, when giving negative feedback, you give personalized feedback, and a little mistake in the way the feedback is communicated (especially orally without written preparation !) can really ignite things. As a company, unfortunately, you have nothing to gain and everything to lose when speaking to a candidate you rejected. Interviewers are not lawyers and can really mess up the feedback. Especially if the person on the other side is of bad faith and steers the conversation with that in mind. As a candidate, I hate this. But it's totally understandable especially in the litigation-heavy environment in the USA. And yes it applies even if you do not discriminate. Some people are twisted and will twist what you say against you. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]IsleOfOne 3 points4 points5 points 14 hours ago (0 children) Tell HR about this tactic and see what they say. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Charles_StoverFront end engineer | Staff+ | CharlesStover.com 4 points5 points6 points 20 hours ago (0 children) I was hired and asked for my feedback. They wouldn't give it because now any negative feedback is from a coworker, and it could impact relationships. OP's advice is potentially good for this scenario. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]GoldenMaximo 4 points5 points6 points 20 hours ago (0 children) No fucking way, that never works, never worked with me at least, and I've tried a couple of times with different companies. They mostly just give you a very broad and general excuse as to why it didn't pan out, like "You don't have the profile we're looking for", "We chose to go with a more experienced candidate", "You lacked some of the skills we were looking for", etc. This might work with FAANG but not on startups and normal companies. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]cats-with-mittens 20 points21 points22 points 1 day ago (20 children) Usually my recruiters at MAGA and similar tech companies will either not reply to such requests or they will simply say it's against company policy. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]mc408 16 points17 points18 points 23 hours ago (9 children) Yup. Last month, I interviewed at Datadog and had a good vibe with the hiring manager. This was before any technical interviewing. He said he was gonna schedule me to meet a variety of team members, but I heard nothing for a week. Then I got a boilerplate Greenhouse rejection email. I replied to the internal recruiter for feedback and got completely ghosted. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]notLOL 6 points7 points8 points 23 hours ago (2 children) application? Maybe recruiter left. GDPR test case? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (2 replies) [-]jebusbebus 5 points6 points7 points 23 hours ago (0 children) Had a very similar experience this spring while applying for a student developer position * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]reeeeee-toolStaff SRE 1 point2 points3 points 22 hours ago (1 child) Was the position still posted? They could have filled it. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]mc408 1 point2 points3 points 16 hours ago (0 children) Just checked, and the role is still up on their careers page. It's also a specialized role so there's only one listing, not like a generic SWE listing. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Infbenob 1 point2 points3 points 19 hours ago (2 children) Wait, So you didn't do any technical interview? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]mc408 3 points4 points5 points 16 hours ago (1 child) None. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]uski 2 points3 points4 points 9 hours ago (0 children) Could it be that you did not meet the minimum qualifications listed on the job and they did not spot it initially ? Sometimes they are legally required to reject any candidate not meeting the minimum qualifications listed, due to obscure reasons such as immigration laws * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]ilega_dhArtificial Intelligence Student 57 points58 points59 points 1 day ago (9 children) Are we calling FAANG MAGA now? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Drugba 39 points40 points41 points 1 day ago (4 children) Should be MANGA. OP lost Netflix * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]haapuchi 19 points20 points21 points 1 day ago (3 children) Or MAAMA Meta, Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, Alphabet. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Dragonasaur 9 points10 points11 points 23 hours ago (0 children) MAAMA Just killed an AI * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Skasch 14 points15 points16 points 23 hours ago (1 child) I prefer MAGMA though * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Drugba 5 points6 points7 points 23 hours ago (0 children) GAMMA? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]cats-with-mittens 4 points5 points6 points 1 day ago (1 child) Well, FB is called Meta now after all. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]ilega_dhArtificial Intelligence Student 5 points6 points7 points 1 day ago (0 children) I mean it makes sense, but ehhhhhhh * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]jzaprint 1 point2 points3 points 23 hours ago (0 children) Nah I like manga better * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]TurtlePig 1 point2 points3 points 21 hours ago (0 children) Still not sure what was ever wrong with big-N * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) [-]sessamekesh 22 points23 points24 points 1 day ago (3 children) I'm very curious to see exactly what feedback makes it back - the feedback I leave candidates includes a lot of reference to hiring details that are pretty confidential. I'm imagining that's part of what's in the redacted bits you mentioned, but I'm still surprised you're getting raw feedback notes like that. It's good though, I'm all about transparency (in most cases). * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply load more comments (3 replies) [-]originalgainstersystem development engineer 5 points6 points7 points 1 day ago (0 children) what do you write in the email? * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]starraven 6 points7 points8 points 1 day ago (1 child) Does anyone know if this would work for Apple? Did a few interviews with them, never knew how I did. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]Astan92 3 points4 points5 points 22 hours ago (0 children) Yes. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]BlrflGray(ing)beard Software Engineer | 30+YoE 18 points19 points 20 points 1 day ago (2 children) FANG and other big companies keep the data that you generated while interviewing with them forever. I wish they did so the recruiters would stop calling me after they've been told I don't want to work there. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]zninjamonkey 1 point2 points3 points 17 hours ago (1 child) Talent sourcing may be different from candidate tracking. Big companies have talent sourcer doing just that * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]BlrflGray(ing)beard Software Engineer | 30+YoE 1 point2 points3 points 7 hours ago (0 children) Still pretty weak tea from companies that describe themselves as data-obsessed. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]iamasuitamaFreelance Frontender 5 points6 points7 points 13 hours ago (1 child) Interesting. Here in the Netherlands I think companies are obliged to throw away (or anonymize) the interviewing documents after a while. So your CV and such will have to be discarded in maybe 3-6 months * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]ico_ 1 point2 points3 points 8 hours ago (0 children) I think that being obliged to throw away stuff after a certain period is a very important aspect of GDPR. So I doubt they (do or may) keep all data forever. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Southern_Ad8169 5 points6 points7 points 11 hours ago (2 children) I confirmed. Did it w FB, works but long reply with legal team * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply load more comments (2 replies) [-]originalgainstersystem development engineer 4 points5 points6 points 1 day ago (6 children) does this work in Canada? * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply load more comments (6 replies) [-]hxhxhhjfj 2 points3 points4 points 7 hours ago (0 children) GDPR is EU regulation only * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]Tapeleg91Technical Lead 4 points5 points6 points 7 hours ago (0 children) There was an interview that I felt went great but the interviewer thought I didn't know how to use a std::vector and thus rated my coding skills as bad Very real problem in the interview space. Some interviewers just use the opportunity to establish how much smarter they are than you. I had a technical interview with Riot where we actually got into a bit of an argument because he was telling me it would have been better if I did something in a different way, not knowing that he was asking me to be really sloppy with memory management and that his code wouldn't scale. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]TheyUsedToCallMeJackSoftware Engineer 19 points20 points21 points 21 hours ago (0 children) I seriously doubt the information in this thread and I'm very suspicious that this is good advice at all. Being aggressive in any way won't grant you any favors with a company or person, plus seems highly unlikely that a company wouldn't ask anything about you to make sure they need to actually go through these hoops. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]txgsync 16 points17 points18 points 23 hours ago (0 children) OP has this right. I'm a hiring manager at a big company. We keep very detailed decision records on every candidate from every interviewer. Each candidate is assigned an aggregate score. We keep these careful records because they show a systematic & objective approach toward interviews & candidates. Of course, there is some judgment involved. But yes, the recruiter has those notes stored in the system as part of the hiring or rejection for every single candidate. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]superbmani15 35 points36 points37 points 1 day ago (1 child) Good way to avoid being hired in the future * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]Wildercard 33 points34 points35 points 1 day ago (0 children) You only need a FAANG job once to have it on your resume for the rest of your life * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]shetkatapult 2 points3 points4 points 21 hours ago (0 children) www.datarequests.org seems fitting here. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]AzuzuHS 6 points7 points8 points 19 hours ago (3 children) Having worked a bit with GDPR requests, I don't think OPs expected result is entirely clear cut. Things get tricky when the data relates to multiple data subjects - in this case a job candidate and an employee. This is personal information about that employee as much as it is personal information about you. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]Account_Expired 3 points4 points5 points 18 hours ago (1 child) That makes no sense. I admit i have no experience here but: Just because i write down "mr. Smith arrived late to the interview" doesnt make the statement my personal information. A company choosing to use an employee to record data instead of a machine doesnt make it employee data. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]AzuzuHS 1 point2 points3 points 18 hours ago (0 children) Even in this case, the OP is deriving information about his interviewer's intelligence (or at least interviewing skills) based on that employee's appraisal of OP's skills. I'm not a lawyer so I can't tell you for sure. Mostly just highlighting the nuance in this case. Putting it another way, your thoughts about another person written as a note definitely sounds like personal information of the writer to me. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]away_shall_be_thrown[S] 1 point2 points3 points 15 hours ago (0 children) In one of the response documents I got, all of the data that could personally identify the interviewer was redacted. Some interviews were even completely redacted. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]CobakaBejet 26 points27 points28 points 1 day ago (23 children) I am sure using social-engineering could also reveal this information as well. A politely written email can do wonders, especially since human beings love being complimented and are more than likely to assist if asked with respect. Hello [insert name], I hope you are doing well, staying safe and had a great holiday season. I wanted to ask if there was any way to gain feedback for my not being selected for [insert position], as I wish to understand how I can better myself for future interviews. If you could please assist me in this regard, I would be most grateful. Thanks for all that you have done throughout this entire process, and I wish you a wonderful 2022! Sincerely, [your name] * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS 82 points83 points84 points 1 day ago (13 children) Most people are not going to answer such a query because only bad things can come of it and it might be against their policy. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Syrdon 5 points6 points7 points 1 day ago (1 child) You can always file the GDPR request later. It's not like it's a lot more effort. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS 2 points3 points4 points 23 hours ago (0 children) Yeah, I probably wouldn't bother with that either to be honest, but just saying, it's not unlikely they'll refuse to elaborate on why you weren't hired. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]CobakaBejet 10 points11 points12 points 1 day ago (4 children) That is also true, but it never hurts to try. Regardless, being polite throughout the entire process can do wonders, especially if you can build up a repertoire with the hiring manager / representative. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS 5 points6 points7 points 1 day ago (0 children) I think they are most inclined to do this if whoever you're talking to really thought you should have been hired but you didn't quite make it. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]new2bay 4 points5 points6 points 23 hours ago (2 children) I agree. The expected payoff may be low, but the effort you'd expend is also very low here. Also, FYI, it's not "repertoire." It's "rapport." :) * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]madhousechild 1 point2 points3 points 16 hours ago (0 children) Unless you want to propose putting together a show and going on the road with the hiring manager, then you will want a repertoire. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) [-]txgsync 2 points3 points4 points 23 hours ago (5 children) only bad things can come of it I disagree. The handful of post-rejection interviews I've had with candidates went really well. One ended up doing much better a year later and works with me now. Just be forthcoming, direct, and document what you do. Things can turn out well. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS 8 points9 points10 points 23 hours ago (1 child) What happens way too often is you try and give some feedback but they get defensive and start arguing with it, or want further information you can't offer. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) [-]alienangel2Software Architect 7 points8 points9 points 23 hours ago (2 children) This is possible, and honestly I'd love to give some candidates advice on what to improve on (usually a very simple "your current job is a dead-end and you've wasted 5 valuable years of your life there, please find work anywhere else and learn some useful skills before you become completely unhirable"). But what he means by "only bad things can come of it" means that the downsides are much much worse than the potential upsides - namely if untrained people (ie not lawyers) are giving frank feedback to candidates on why they weren't hired, it's only a matter of time before someone takes a comment out of context and spins it up into a discrimination suit. If you are a FAANG, the exposure to lawsuits (especially in the US) is not at all worth it compared to just having a blanket "we can't give you feedback sorry" response to everyone. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (2 replies) [-]alienangel2Software Architect 8 points9 points10 points 1 day ago (6 children) There is fuck all chance any external email coming to me at work is going anywhere other than the internal phishing-reports@ alias. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]SatansF4TE 4 points5 points6 points 1 day ago (1 child) Do you literally never receive emails from third parties?? No third party vendors at all? No github notifications, no CICD notifications? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]alienangel2Software Architect 2 points3 points4 points 23 hours ago (0 children) None that aren't spam or phishing; I'm not in a role where I need to interact with 3rd party vendors, and our Git and CICD systems are all inhouse. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (4 replies) [-]darexinfinitySoftware Engineer 1 point2 points3 points 23 hours ago (0 children) Many times they will say that it's against their policy to disclose that information. But yeah, ask nicely before you twist their arm. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]txgsync 1 point2 points3 points 23 hours ago (0 children) I ask every candidate I reject whether they'd like a personal follow-up for 20 minutes to talk about why they didn't make the cut. Most never take me up on the offer. In fairness, most have usually found another job by the time I'm ready to give that feedback. It takes months to hire someone around here. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]SSG_Nimbus 1 point2 points3 points 22 hours ago (1 child) Does this work for other big companies outside of software? * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) [-]squirrelmasterzeroVP of Engineering 9 points10 points11 points 22 hours ago (5 children) Excellent way to be seen as an extremely difficult candidate. The industry is smaller than you think, I absolutely would not do this. Send an email to the hiring manager instead. I've always been happy to share specifics on why we passed on a candidate. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]Particular_Bobcat 6 points7 points8 points 22 hours ago (2 children) I don't think hiring manager even knows about this. It is extremely strange that a hiring manager would even be notified for a GDPR request. There is a separate department for this. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]PrimaxAUSDirector Tech Delivery 1 point2 points3 points 13 hours ago (0 children) They will definitely by notified as part of the data search. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (2 replies) [-]Illisio 2 points3 points4 points 23 hours ago (3 children) Faang companies do not keep your interview data forever. Ussually its highly redacted or removed after the interview to avoid discovery and for gdpr reasons as you listed. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]away_shall_be_thrown[S] 8 points9 points10 points 23 hours ago (1 child) They do keep it. I have got data going back to my college years in 2014. Sure, I haven't tried ALL faang companies so there might be an exception to this. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (1 reply) [-]txgsync 1 point2 points3 points 23 hours ago (0 children) Faang companies do not keep your interview data forever. All the rollup feedback here ends up in the recruiting system. As far as I can tell hiring managers don't get access to the system, but my recruiter seems to be able to conjure up previous "rollup feedback" years later for candidates. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]generic_name95 2 points3 points4 points 16 hours ago (0 children) One of the more useful pieces of information shared in this sub. Thanks! * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]Habanero_Eyeball 1 point2 points3 points 22 hours ago (1 child) From WIKI General Data Protection Regulation The General Data Protection Regulation 2016/679 is a regulation in EU law on data protection and privacy in the European Union and the European Economic Area. So it doesn't apply to USA * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]TheN473 1 point2 points3 points 11 hours ago (0 children) It applies to any EU/UK citizen - which includes US companies. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]justdvl 1 point2 points3 points 1 day ago (3 children) What will happen if I send them such a request in your name? Let's say from email address looking just like yours? (having your name in it etc) * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]away_shall_be_thrown[S] 1 point2 points3 points 23 hours ago (2 children) I mean, the request has to have your name for them to look you up. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]justdvl 1 point2 points3 points 23 hours ago (1 child) OK, but how do they verify I'm not lying and using your name as mine? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]away_shall_be_thrown[S] 4 points5 points6 points 22 hours ago (0 children) It's a good question, to me they just sent a pdf back with all the feedback in the first response I got. they took about 20 days to respond. I used my same email address so I assume that's how they knew? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]kalashnikovBabySenior 1 point2 points3 points 22 hours ago (5 children) I'm curious as to the repercussions from this. Do hiring managers look at this negatively? I don't think anyone likes being served with a formal must-comply request. Do you get black listed? When would such a request be worth it? * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]Particular_Bobcat 2 points3 points4 points 22 hours ago (3 children) Do hiring managers look at this negatively? This kind of requests should go to a different department. If the hiring manager knows, then you should threaten to sue for violating your privacy. GDPR request is not related to the hiring manager. Why would they be informed? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]TheyUsedToCallMeJackSoftware Engineer 1 point2 points3 points 21 hours ago (2 children) People talk? He doesn't need to be formally informed about it, the recruiter can just bump in the HM at the coffee machine and say "hey, remember some dude you interviewed a week ago? Yeah, he made a formal request to get all of our feedback!" * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (1 reply) [-]cyjanek528 1 point2 points3 points 10 hours ago (0 children) God, I love GDPR. Also, FAANG interviews are not very fair - I feel like they invite too much of "I like this person/I don't like this person" into decision making. If an engineer which is dealing with your technical question doesn't like you, doesn't find you as good as him - sorry, but you are done. On my interview to one of the FAANG companies I wasn't even asked any useful questions, just solve this task. On the opposite side I know lots of other companies (for example BBC and some startups) who delegate more than one engineer to overview tech assessment. One engineer suppose to be your "pair" to which you explain what you do and the second engineer is there to observe. I find this way more fair than one grumpy guy who decides that this one question was too stupid and he would be able to code this in a minute, so sayonara * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]fakewasabii 0 points1 point2 points 22 hours ago (3 children) Totally unrelated to your PSA (which I think is a great tip if you're in the EU) but you getting disqualified for not knowing how to use std::vector is worse than it sounds. It wasn't only the interviewer who thought you were a bad coder. She or he also managed to convince a room full of people (I'm guessing most of them with a technical background) of that based on that "evidence". *smh* * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]peachstealingmonkeys 2 points3 points4 points 21 hours ago (1 child) She or he also managed to convince a room full of people (I'm guessing most of them with a technical background) of that based on that "evidence". That's a pretty fat assumption there was a room "full of people". Most interviews nowadays are remote and either 1:1 or 1:2. I'd stay away of making any assumptions during the hiring process as it is as capricious as a five year old in a candy store. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]fakewasabii 1 point2 points3 points 20 hours ago (0 children) Fair enough! OP mentioned FAANG which I assumed had hiring multiple rounds with different people who then circle back to decide. But maybe that's not the case. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]away_shall_be_thrown[S] 5 points6 points7 points 22 hours ago (0 children) It's a bit of a convoluted story because after that year of being rejected, I applied next year and actually got an offer. I worked there for a bit until I finally quit last year. I never knew that I had been initially rejected for such a stupid thing. 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