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o How Do You Tell Which Parents Are Abusive? o Not All Estranged Parents Are Abusive o The Missing Missing Reasons o When the Missing Reasons Aren't Missing o Dysfunctional Beliefs o Estranged Parents and Boundaries o Case Study: "The actual reason for the conflict is commonly ill-defined" o Forum Culture: Why Are the Forum Members Different? o Themes of Estranged Parents' Forums # Introduction # Themes: "Our children want to hurt us" # Themes: "I just want to beat his ass" # Themes: "We're not perfect, and neither are they" # Themes: "I'm contacting my estranged child for me, not her" # Themes: "Unwanted contact isn't stalking" # Themes: "Abuse is rare" # Themes: "Truly abusive parents don't care" # Themes: "They want us to chase them" # Themes: "Our children don't really believe they were abused" # Themes: "They're laughing at us" o Why Do Adult Children Estrange?: The Parents' Take o Why Do Adult Children Estrange?: The Children's Explanations o Notes # All-or-Nothing Relationships # Contradictory Beliefs, Double Standards # The Absence of Categories o Resources for Children of Abusers * Names + Japanese Girls' Names + Japanese Boys' Names + Geisha Names + Japanese Courtesans' Names + Lower-Ranking Prostitutes' Names + Women's Names in Edo-Era Japan: The Early Edo Period (1600 to 1700) + Japanese Name Resources + Haitian Names + Victorian Names + 18th-Century Women's Names + French Arthurian Names + Names from Prester John's Kingdom * Japan + Japanese Names o Japanese Girls' Names o Japanese Boys' Names o Geisha Names o Courtesans' Names o Lower-Ranking Prostitutes' Names o Women's Names in Edo-Era Japan: The Early Edo Period (1600 to 1700) o Japanese Name Resources + Japanese Courtesans: Oiran and Tayu o Japanese Courtesans' Names o About Japanese Courtesans' Names o Lower-Ranking Prostitutes' Names o How Old Were They? o A Snapshot of a Small Pleasure Quarter in 1860 o But Were They Working Prostitutes? o Kamuro o Banto-Shinzo o Oiran and Tayu Resources o Researching in Japanese o Primary Documents o Reading Saiken + Japanese Blood Types and Personality + Kitsune, Kumiho, Huli Jing, Fox + Miso Soup for the Otaku Soul + Manga and Doujinshi + Bishonen + Zozenawayone: Speaking Japanese * Find a Job + Young and Broke: Student Jobs + Summer Adventures + Winter Adventures + Writing Jobs * Silliness + Jedi Training + The Tough Guide to Animeland + If I Ever Become an Anime Character... + If I Ever Become a Dragonball Character... + You Know You Watch Too Much Anime When... + The Twinkie Sandwich Challenge + Rants o On Freedom o An Etiquette Lesson for Gamers o A Brief Rant Concerning Yaoi Warnings o Hyper Is the New Feminine o Secrets of the Old Masters o "...And Her Hair Turned White!" o Because Vikings Just Luuurved to Travel * Game Reviews + Final Fantasy 7 + The Useless Guide to Final Fantasy IX + Final Fantasy X + Final Fantasy X-2 + Kingdom Hearts + Xenosaga + Vagrant Story [trans]Issendai.com Page Menu Down the Rabbit Hole The world of estranged parents' forums This page doesn't apply to all estranged parents, only to estranged parents who are members of estranged parents' forums. Read why. For several years now I've followed blogs about narcissists and other abusers, written by victims of abuse. They're powerful tools for recovery, and powerful testimonials to the impact of emotional abusers on other people's lives. What's been missing is the abusers' perspective on the abuse. The narcissists I see online don't write about their relationships with their children and close friends; they hardly write about their own partners, except as props in the narcissist's ongoing drama. I assumed that there was no way to get the abusers' side of the story, that abusers are smart enough to not incriminate themselves in their own blogs, and like hell would they get together with other abusers to discuss abuse. I was wrong. The keywords to find abusers' support communities are "estranged parents" and "grandparents' rights." --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Abuser's Side of the Story The estranged parent communities are amazing. The members are people whose adult sons and daughters have cut off contact with their parents, and sometimes with their entire families. Although members of the estranged parent communities are largely unaware of the methods and vocabulary of the abuse-victim support network, they describe their sons and daughters ("estranged children," or ECs) going through all the steps of separation: the attempts to negotiate and set boundaries, the warnings, the process of going LC (limited contact), then NC (no contact), the escalating steps to enforce the no-contact rule, the hopeful attempts at reconciliation, the renegotiation, the setting of new boundaries, the return to NC. It's a view through a dark and crazily distorted glass. The parents and children had a wonderful relationship until something changed--the parents don't know what, but they suspect their child's new partner had something to do with it. And then their child dragged up a bunch of stuff from the distant past, most of which never happened, and blamed their parents for everything that went wrong in their own lives, and THEN they made a power play and cut their parents out of their lives to punish their parents. But their parents refuse to be controlled. They will reclaim their own lives, they will not knuckle under to their abusive, nasty, ungrateful children, and they will keep trying to contact their children to let them know they still love them. Not all of the members of estranged parent communities are abusers. Quite a few people show up with stories of losing contact with their children because of drugs, mental illness, cult involvement, abusive sons- and daughters-in-law, or the influence of a vengeful ex. However, most of the people who know why their children are estranged filter away from the group quickly. I don't know where they go, but I suspect they find help in other groups--parents with drug-addicted children find groups about dealing with drug addicts, parents whose children are in the control of an abusive partner find groups about partner abuse. What's left are the people who have no idea why their children left them. And that, my friends, is a vast and waving red flag. Grandparents' Rights Groups Grandparents' rights groups are one step forward and one step back. One step forward, because the majority of the people who are interested in this cause are the people grandparents' rights were meant to help: grandparents who lost touch with their grandchildren through the parents' divorce, incarceration, or some other rupture in their children's families. However, it also brings out the people who think they have more rights over their grandchildren than the children's own parents do, the people who want to force a family reconciliation through the courts, the people who want to take custody of their grandchildren to punish their children. These people are not merely nasty pieces of work. These people are batshit. Stories from estranged parents Contents The Abuser's Side of the Story Stories from Estranged Parents Why Study Estranged Parents' Forums? How Do You Tell Which Parents Are Abusive and Which Are the Victims of Abusive Children? Not All Estranged Parents Are Abusive The Missing Missing Reasons Dysfunctional Beliefs Estranged Parents and Boundaries Case Study: "The actual reason for the conflict is commonly ill-defined" Forum Culture The Average Member Estranged Parents' Forums vs. Estranged Adult Children's Forums Why Are the Forum Members Different? Themes of Estranged Parents' Forums Certain themes show up again and again across all forums, and even in independent accounts written by estranged parents. This is a selection of the most common. The list of themes "Our children want to hurt us" "I just want to beat his ass" "We're not perfect, and neither are they" "I'm contacting my estranged child for me, not her" "Unwanted contact isn't stalking" "Abuse is rare" "Truly abusive parents don't care" "They want us to chase them" "Our children don't really believe they were abused" Notes All-or-nothing relationships Contradictory beliefs, double standards If You Need Help Resources for children of abusers Frequently asked questions from estranged parents Frequently asked questions from children of abusers About this site Updated 7/29/2015 This page may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. 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