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Become a Redditor and join one of thousands of communities. x 472 473 474 [rW5xJ1Nn] There are at least 10 different Microsoft design languages/ conventions in Windows 11: Win32, MMC, XP, Aero, Ribbon UI, Metro, Modern, XB1 dash, Fluent, and Sun Valley... [fixed]Discussion ( i.redd.it) submitted 1 day ago by OmNomDeBonBon * 181 comments * share * save * hide * report [q517r41dmw571] all 181 comments sorted by: best (suggested) topnewcontroversialoldrandomq&alive (beta) [ ] Want to add to the discussion? Post a comment! Create an account [-]OsrsNeedsF2P 25 points26 points27 points 21 hours ago (3 children) Yea but they all have rounded corners! * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]gauthamkrishna9991 1 point2 points3 points 2 hours ago (0 children) Did they just clip the corners here?? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]ndig0 0 points1 point2 points 2 hours ago (0 children) Fuck rounded corners ;) * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]IslandDust 27 points28 points29 points 18 hours ago* (9 children) To Microsoft's credit, they were starting off with Windows 10. On inspection you can see they're already making work to unify the plethora of UI toolkit implementations. Rounded buttons, uniform scrollbars, etc. If they finally get rid of the awful, awful left vertical menu design that was popularized with the first iteration of Fluent Design before it lost steam and restored proper titlebars, we're getting into some pretty significant territory with regard to consistency. To my knowledge, nothing in the leak shows off anything built against WinUI3/Project Reunion. If they nail this by taking this MO that Gnome took (releasing GTK2 themes when GTK3 was introduced) and not the Windows 10 approach (each application had its own theme because reasons), I think 11 will be a true return to a Microsoft experience supremacy not seen in a decade. Furthermore, with WSL2 set to offer GUI application support with the local Wayland and X11 display servers, if they can create Windows 11 themes for GTK2/3/4 and Qt4/5, they're going to make linux desktop distros completely irrelevant from a usability standpoint by perfectly absorbing Linux GUI apps into the already monumentally large landscape of Windows desktop applications all with the same consistency. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]Dr-Chronosphere 7 points8 points9 points 16 hours ago (1 child) That's a really interesting thought... In fact, in looks like Windows 11 already has rethemed win32 elements in a way that looks like it could be easily ported to a GTK theme. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Sabby_65 5 points6 points7 points 14 hours ago (0 children) lol, its themed to match design of WinUI 2.6! * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Shawnj2 -1 points0 points1 point 6 hours ago (3 children) Microsoft experience superiority? Lol what was the last cohesive version of Windows? 3.1? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Just_Marzipan_8714 1 point2 points3 points 3 hours ago (1 child) I started with 3.11 for Workgroups, but it already had two styles - "normal" applications were flat, whereas Office applications had a 3D appearance. E.g. a normal fixed size dialog box had a blue border around it and white contents and a checkbox was just a rectangle, but an office fixed size dialog box looked more similar to what came with Windows 95 - beveling up edges, grey/brown contents, bevelled down checkboxes. This meant that running Word 6 on Windows 95 it looked a bit odd... * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]bitwize [score hidden] 18 minutes ago (0 children) Then there were OWL apps, which came with their own conventions, 3D beveled look, and even fancy icons for things like OK and Cancel. The idea that Windows was uniform and consistent back in the 3.x days was.... lol. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]drygnfyre [score hidden] 1 hour ago (0 children) Honestly, not even then. Win3.x was overall pretty consistent but as noted, even the first releases of Office and some other Microsoft apps had slightly different looks or designs. It's just been a thing with Windows, it's never really been fully consistent. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]kaaskop42 0 points1 point2 points 2 hours ago (1 child) Now my Linux GUI apps can send "Exception from HRESULT 0x8006DD84" messages to the Event log? Will they also inform the user that something has gone wrong? That's some killer usability right there! * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]IslandDust 0 points1 point2 points 2 hours ago (0 children) No, your Linux apps will run, and on mobile devices for quite longer because virtually all x86_64 hardware uses Windows as the primary reference platform to develop drivers against. You will never worry about dkms, gpu driver + kernel compatibility mismatches, etc ever again. And you won't have to rely on janky duct tape solutions to run commercial desktop software suites in a way that will break when you upgrade the distro because you'll be running them natively in a fully supported environment. Don't confuse the total failure of UWP design and implementation for the value of Windows or its vast software library. Linux's software ecosystem is valuable in its own right, so WSL2 + X11/Wayland is going to give people the best of both worlds with absolutely zero concessions. As opposed to Linux host solutions with deep caveats like GPU passthrough to KVM depending on very specific configurations prone to long term breakage. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]madman320 36 points37 points38 points 23 hours ago (31 children) At least the Store will be updated. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]thisnamenotavailable 14 points15 points16 points 22 hours ago (8 children) And settings * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]OmNomDeBonBon[S] 7 points8 points9 points 12 hours ago* (7 children) Yeah, I believe Paul Thurott and others said the Settings app will receive a significant overhaul in Windows 11 down the line. It should be pointed out that W11's Settings banner is actually from 2018, and was briefly featured in some W10 Insider builds before being abandoned: https://winaero.com/ force-enable-windows-10-settings-top-header/ Edit: Zarkex01 points out that people still retain the banner if their Insider account was selected to receive it during the A/B testing phase for that feature. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Zarkex01 2 points3 points4 points 11 hours ago (6 children) Huh, I also have that banner at the top of my current Windows Insider Build. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]OmNomDeBonBon[S] 1 point2 points3 points 11 hours ago (4 children) It may be because your account was flagged "yes" during the A/B testing phase in 2018/2019. It can also be enabled manually: https:// winaero.com/force-enable-windows-10-settings-top-header/ Too bad they never did enable it for all users. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Zarkex01 2 points3 points4 points 11 hours ago (3 children) Could be but it's also on my non insider build windows at home iirc * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]OmNomDeBonBon[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 hours ago (2 children) That's interesting. Were you running an Insider build on that PC before exiting the programme and letting Windows move you to the retail release? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]close04 0 points1 point2 points 2 hours ago (1 child) I have it and exited the insider build ring years ago, long before that banner. It popped up a while ago without me doing anything to enable it. It also appeared on a separate computer (and separate country) with Win 10 Enterprise which was never enrolled for insider builds. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]OmNomDeBonBon[S] [score hidden] 1 hour ago (0 children) That must be a bug, then, because there's no way MS would do A/B testing on the release channel, let alone on W10 Enterprise, where admins expect consistency across all their devices. It's weird because it's pretty easy to manually enable, and is such a low risk thing given it's just a dashboard which displays information pulled from other parts of the OS. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]hearnia_2k 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago (0 children) I have it on my normal non-insider build of Win 10 too. It's just normal, isn't it? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]LAwLzaWU1A 6 points7 points8 points 13 hours ago (4 children) I see a lot of people say "winget!" in the comments but the problem is that Winget is not at all like a proper package manager. It lacks versioning control, it lacks dependency controls (here is the request for that feature), the repository is barely managed at all (no signature checks and a lot of other things missing) for example. Winget is basically a wild west where people can just upload installer binaries that people can download and run. It's not that far from just a program that does a google search, downloads and runs an installer file straight from the first result of Google. Here is VLC for example. All it does is download the installer from videolan.org and runs it. That is not how a proper package manager should work. Have you even tried installing OBS through winget on a new PC? It will fail. Why? Because all WinGet does is download the installer from OBS's website and run it, but since OBS requires VC++ and that doesn't get installed (it's a prompt in the GUI installer) the program will not run. Everyone saying WinGet is a package manager clearly doesn't have much experience with software packaging or with WinGet. The fact that .exe files are supported should have been a massive red flag since exe files are not packages. In fact, here is a discussion on Github where it is suggested that WinGet drops support for exe files that I fully support. What Windows needs is a proper package manager, and that means dropping support for some old and outdated things. The current WinGet program is a glorified script that downloads and runs installers. That's it, and that's not what Windows needs. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]OmNomDeBonBon[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 hours ago (1 child) Everyone saying WinGet is a package manager clearly doesn't have much experience with software packaging or with WinGet. Yes, it's lacking some basic functionality like dependency screening, but it's still a package manager. That missing functionality will be added before it's integrated into Windows and made the default package manager. That's what MS do. Some recent examples: * PowerShell 7 is the replacement for regular PowerShell (5.1) and PowerShell Core (6.x). It still doesn't ship as the default PowerShell implementation in Windows, because it doesn't yet have feature parity with 5.1. * Windows Terminal is a terminal front-end which is, at some point, going to ship with Windows as the default method of managing different CLIs through one interface (CMD, PS, Bash, Azure Cloud Shell, etc.). It might ship in Windows 11. The problem is Windows client+Server have, between them, around six different package managers spanning 20+ years, none of which are particularly good. WinGet is, I'd presume, supposed to address that issue. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]LAwLzaWU1A 1 point2 points3 points 11 hours ago (0 children) I wouldn't call it a package manager. It doesn't deal with packages (it's mostly .exe installers) and it barely does any management (like dependency checks, clean uninstalls, verification of developers, version management, etc). If most of what it handles isn't packages, and it barely does any management, why call it a package manager? It's a CLI tool for downloading and running installers from websites. That's pretty much it. Function wise there is very little difference between doing a WinGet install and just opening your browser, clicking download on some program and clicking "run" on the installer. If most of what it handles isn't packages, and it barely does any management, why call it a package manager? It's a CLI tool for downloading and running installers from websites. That's pretty much it. Function wise there is very little difference between doing a WinGet install and just opening your browser, clicking download on some program, and clicking "run" on the installer. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]thegroundbelowme 0 points1 point2 points 2 hours ago (1 child) How about Chocolatey? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]LAwLzaWU1A [score hidden] 1 hour ago (0 children) I don't have much experience with Chocolatey but from what I've heard it's a "real package manager" for Windows. I quickly looked over the documentation and it seems to not have any of the issues I described with WinGet. It supports dependencies and it actually uses packages (and not just simple installers), so you get proper update support and versioning. But if we look at the documentation for how to package and submit a program to the Chocolately repo we can see the a stark difference between it and WinGet. WinGet is basically "lol do whatever you want, we don't care" while Chocolately has strict guidelines for how the installers must behave and be formatted. I don't think Microsoft wanted to be that strict because it could hinder the adoption of WinGet. They made it "good enough" (in their eyes) so that it could get widely adopted quickly. Chocolatey on the other hand wanted to do things properly and as a result submitting requires far more work. Sadly, I think that Microsoft's mentality for the last couple of years has been "let's ship something once it's good enough" rather than "let's ship it when it's ready". WinGet seems more like a feature on a list that Microsoft wanted checked, and whether or not it was actually good didn't matter so much to them. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]OsrsNeedsF2P 14 points15 points16 points 21 hours ago (16 children) I just want a Linux package manager equivalent as the store. I'm really hoping Winget gains traction.. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]SimplifyMSP 17 points18 points19 points 20 hours ago* (13 children) Gains traction? It just received a 1.x.x build and is steadily being updated, along with thousands of apps in the repo. It can now search for any package, list all installed packages, install, uninstall, export a list of all packages then import that list on another machine enabling super-fast setup of new devices... What else? EDIT: To those who aren't aware: * GitHub | winget v1.0.11451 | Download * Microsoft Docs | Windows Package Manager | Installing WinGet * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]electricdrop 1 point2 points3 points 13 hours ago (12 children) To be available in a non-insiders build, for example? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]SimplifyMSP 1 point2 points3 points 12 hours ago (4 children) Holy shit, "gains traction" and, "I'm upset that I have to download it right now" are two entirely different things. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]electricdrop 0 points1 point2 points 12 hours ago* (3 children) No they're not. For it to gain traction, it needs to be available on most of Windows machines by default. You don't have to download apt, or pacman, do you? You don't have to download, I don't know, DISKPART or NET. And the reason it's not included by default is because it's not ready for prime time. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]SimplifyMSP 0 points1 point2 points 11 hours ago (2 children) You most certainly have to download the .NET framework unless you're using apps that require something super old like v3.5. You have to download .NET Core, .NET 5, etc. However, this is arguing for absolutely no reason. To your point, it's already included in Insider Preview builds which means they're testing the inclusion and, once approved, it'll be rolled out to everyone later this year. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]electricdrop 0 points1 point2 points 11 hours ago (1 child) I meant NET console utility, not .NET framework. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Magnus_Mat 0 points1 point2 points 12 hours ago (0 children) It can be downloaded from GitHub. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Tanmay1518 0 points1 point2 points 12 hours ago (5 children) It is available in a non-insiders build. I just updated App Installer from the Microsoft Store and got winget. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]electricdrop -1 points0 points1 point 11 hours ago (4 children) You have to be in Insiders program for winget. It's not available in vanilla App Installer. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Tanmay1518 1 point2 points3 points 11 hours ago (0 children) I literally have it without being in the Insiders Program. I don't have my laptop rn but I'll update my comment with an img link for proof later. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Tanmay1518 0 points1 point2 points 7 hours ago (1 child) You asked for proof, I give proof https://imgur.com/a/xHy8bK5 * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]electricdrop 0 points1 point2 points 2 hours ago (0 children) There's separate insiders program specifically for winget: https:// forms.microsoft.com/Pages/ResponsePage.aspx?id= v4j5cvGGr0GRqy180BHbR-NSOqDz219PqoOqk5qxQEZUMVVCT1IwVEpLSklZS0dDRFZEUjZUOU9ZWi4u Either it's this, or some weird A/B or I don't know cause I don't have it on any of my machines (all running 21H1 fully updated) * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]ibmats 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago (0 children) I've got winget on a fresh out of the box Lenovo laptop. Definitely not an Insiders Build. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Dr-Chronosphere 8 points9 points10 points 16 hours ago (0 children) From what I'm hearing, the new store will likely be built as a sort of GUI for WinGet... That sounds rather interesting (and linuxy) to me. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]BigDickEnterprise 1 point2 points3 points 14 hours ago (0 children) You can already install it even on release win10, there's tons of software in there. Browsers, media players, everything. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Mack765 23 points24 points25 points 23 hours ago (10 children) On the one hand, I really wanted Microsoft to do a complete redesign of pretty much everything in the OS. On the other hand, I understand Microsoft doesn't want to redesign certain applications. Most of them that use old design an average user wouldn't even come close. Those who use them, who are professionals and experts, would feel more secure working on a design they already know rather than having to relearn everything. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]OmNomDeBonBon[S] 4 points5 points6 points 22 hours ago (8 children) The problem is that the Modern and Fluent design language is just bad design. Modern strips out all colour, and doesn't scale what should be vector elements. Fluent adds a totally useless translucent bar which makes text more difficult to read, and useless highlights which aren't found in 99% of Windows. What they need to do is update Modern to not be so terrible: re-add colourful icons, make everything fully scalable, remove superfluous highlight effects that clearly don't mesh with modern design, and just iterate upon that for the next 10 years. It does, however, look like Windows 11 will introduce yet another design language. I sincerely hope this is the one they stick with for 10 years, iterating to keep it looking fresh and not re-inventing the wheel 3 years down the line. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]TuttFox 2 points3 points4 points 8 hours ago (4 children) Let's not be silly. Windows 11 is NOT introducing another design language: it's just bringing Fluent design to more parts of the OS. And they also reintroduced colorful icons with Fluent design. The design language is good (certainly better than those awful awful ribbon things you had in Windows 7). The problem is what remains from past versions. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]OmNomDeBonBon[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 hours ago* (3 children) Windows 11 is NOT introducing another design language They just added rounded corners and buttons, which don't exist in any other Microsoft software on Windows, AFAIK. Rounded corners aren't part of Fluent, which is all about translucency and mouseover "torch" highlight effects. And they also reintroduced colorful icons with Fluent design. Where? Settings, Calculator, Calendar, Camera, Clock, etc. all have flat monochrome icons in Windows 10 and 11. The design language is good (certainly better than those awful awful ribbon things you had in Windows 7). The infuriating thing is, the Ribbon UI does make sense for the most complex apps, like Office, AutoCAD, PDF editors, IDEs, etc. Sadly, almost no apps use the Ribbon UI - and the ones that do mostly don't need it e.g. MS Paint, WordPad. The latter has literally five buttons /sections on its 2nd out of two tabs. They'd all comfortably fit on one row, even on a 1080p monitor. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]TuttFox 2 points3 points4 points 8 hours ago* (0 children) Transluncency and highlight effects were just part of the first wave of Fluent Design, which by the way came with the new icon design. The app you mentioned just need to be updates. There's a new Settings app leak that shows the new icons. The rounded corners have been part of the new design language for a while (take a look at the MS Journal app): they just applied them to every button and window in the OS. And finally no, the ribbon UI doesn't make sense today at all. It did back when Windows 7 was released, it doesn't when you need to simplify things and also to make sure your app can 1) adapt to a screen that goes from 7" to 32" 2) be usable with touchscreens. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]LitheBeep 1 point2 points3 points 7 hours ago (1 child) Where? Settings, Calculator, Calendar, Camera, Clock, etc. all have flat monochrome icons in Windows 10 and 11. Not sure if we're looking at the same apps, but the icons for these built-in apps on Windows 11 are very colorful with an element of depth. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]OmNomDeBonBon[S] 1 point2 points3 points 7 hours ago* (0 children) I'm talking about the apps themselves, not their desktop icons. Inside those apps, they don't use colour for buttons/settings, just monochrome wireframe icons with an optional accent colour. Settings, for example, still uses wireframe, non-scaling icons and plain text labels, both of which leave a ton of whitespace on even a 1080p display, let alone 4K. Those icons are from Windows 10's Insider branch, anyway. I've been running that build for about a month now. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]agar32 5 points6 points7 points 22 hours ago (2 children) The problem is that the Modern and Fluent design language is just bad design. This. UI is the main reason I went back to Windows 7. Though I'm liking Sun Valley more than Metro, Modern, and Fluent. I still wish Microsoft would make customizing the UI easy, I would love an AeroGlass/Luna theme that works well, even if 3rd party. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Dr-Chronosphere 4 points5 points6 points 16 hours ago (0 children) I remember back in the Windows 7 days patching the theme engine and installing some incredibly well-designed themes and the whole OS looking nice and consistent... That sort of thing is still possible, but after Aero was completely taken out, none of the third-party themes look that good anymore. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]antdude 2 points3 points4 points 19 hours ago (0 children) I love W7, Vista, XP, and 2K. But W7 is unsupported and hard to run in modern hardwares. :( * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]n0b0dyh0me 0 points1 point2 points 19 hours ago (0 children) You don't have to relearn everything if the only things that are different are font, spacing, and colors. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]jdcrispe 20 points21 points22 points 23 hours ago (20 children) Yup, windows right now is a damn mess. They really need to start from scratch and not incrementally pile on more and more crap into the same OS. Win10 had a good run. Strip it back down to the kernel and build an entirely new UI. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]OmNomDeBonBon[S] 12 points13 points14 points 23 hours ago (4 children) Problem is they intended to start from scratch multiple times, including for stuff which I didn't list. E.g. WPF (Windows Presentation Foundation) was a modern, Vista/7 take on Windows Forms. Except...MS gave up on it in favour of JavaScript/etc. UWP apps in Windows 8, and then gave up on those... They need a team of UX specialists and designers to go through the entire OS - everything - catalogue all the different UI elements and where they came from, where they're used, and how they can be updated without breaking legacy apps. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]The-Bytemaster 2 points3 points4 points 19 hours ago (1 child) Windows Presentation Foundation still exists, and continues to improve. It's UI can adapt to whatever theme the designer wants, or blend into the OS without a lot of effort. In fact, Win UI 3 integrates with WPF on .Net 6 just fine. WPF isn't really a design philosophy, but a design technology. Win UI 3 is exactly what is going to enable them to do what you ask. One look possible regardless of the actual technology underneeth. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]antdude 1 point2 points3 points 19 hours ago (0 children) Did MS axe those people like they did with their QA? :( * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Dangthe 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago (0 children) Well if Microsoft cannot gather a team of UX specialists, who can? And I think there are a lot of talented designers out there that use windows as their primary work platform that have a lot of good ideas how and what they would improve in the os. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]graspee 8 points9 points10 points 23 hours ago (11 children) Trouble is that would break a lot of old programs and they don't want to do that * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Jargomargo 13 points14 points15 points 21 hours ago* (4 children) Keeping the old toolkits functional for backwards compatibility is a non-issue. Just don't use them for the actual operating system UI. That's the problem Microsoft has. Their own operating system is a clusterfuck. It's been 6 years since Windows 10 came out and they have yet to replace the Control Panel features entirely in the new Settings app. They're an incompetent company. You have to ask yourself what they just spent the last 6 years doing. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Shawnj2 2 points3 points4 points 15 hours ago (2 children) Second off, old programs will pull the UI info from the OS anyways, and you can make all those assets match each other as much as possible without breaking anything without any major issues. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]CumBucketChampion 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago (1 child) about that....There's a clusterfuck of old programs that doesn't do that the way Microsoft intended to be, so they have to keep old legacy components to make those old legacy apps install and/or work, I'll edit this comment later for more info EDIT * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Shawnj2 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago (0 children) Even with those- you can keep the layout and such while making the assets have the same theme * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]graspee 0 points1 point2 points 19 hours ago (0 children) Yeah you're right. I hadn't sneezed yet today and kick started my brain. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]jdcrispe 1 point2 points3 points 23 hours ago (0 children) Yeah, but they already feature a lot of compatibility with older programs so they could easily rebuild that functionality * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Eggbocs 0 points1 point2 points 7 hours ago (0 children) That is fine. PC will be moving to ARM sooner or later anyway. There is no future for X86 home-pc's. Better start breaking and working on that new os now. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]antdude -2 points-1 points0 points 19 hours ago (3 children) Couldn't they do something like what Apple does with its Rosetta (Intel for PPC and M1 for Intel)? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]nexusprime2015 2 points3 points4 points 16 hours ago (2 children) That's totally different thing Rosetta is for arm and x86 cross compatibility * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]antdude -2 points-1 points0 points 16 hours ago (1 child) Right, but couldn't MS do something like this for Win16, Win32, etc.? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Shawnj2 2 points3 points4 points 15 hours ago (0 children) They don't need to, because they're OS level libraries. Rosetta is Mac using Mac Lin's, this is Windows using old Windows libs. All MS has to do is keep them in the OS * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]The-Bytemaster 1 point2 points3 points 19 hours ago (1 child) Not stripped back, but this is what the future is: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/apps/winui/winui3/ FYI, they rewrite and split apart components in Windows to be more modular in every update. They just are not going the big update everything at once approach, for good reasons. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Dozar03 0 points1 point2 points 2 hours ago (0 children) The problem with that idea is that legacy support would break. This would just be annoying but not terrible for home users. But it could be detrimental for enterprise * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]sixunitedxbox 23 points24 points25 points 23 hours ago (26 children) Only about 6 of these are ever seen by the average user, but yeah 2 should be the maximum on the most used apps, things like regedit i dont blame them for not updating because why should they?most regedit users are people who dont like change * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]OsrsNeedsF2P 12 points13 points14 points 21 hours ago (12 children) I don't like change! M$ why isn't it consistent! This sums up everything so well * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]onometre 5 points6 points7 points 20 hours ago (11 children) most of /r/windows10 and now this sub would still be on punch cards if they had the choice * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]BlueCannonBall 2 points3 points4 points 20 hours ago (10 children) Look at how consistent Linux is. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]onometre 7 points8 points9 points 20 hours ago (7 children) if by consistent you mean not at all except for a sparse few programs in a tiny number of distributions * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]OsrsNeedsF2P -2 points-1 points0 points 20 hours ago (6 children) If you stick to some of the top desktop environments, Linux is VERY consistent Check out posts on /r/KDE for instance and see how consistent things are * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]onometre 4 points5 points6 points 20 hours ago (5 children) lmao definitive proof you've never used any linux distro and only looked at curated screenshots * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]OsrsNeedsF2P -4 points-3 points-2 points 20 hours ago* (4 children) I've used Linux and Windows full time for 4 years now but ok Edit: Not gonna tell people to look through my post history, but it's funny that everyone's calling BS when my post history is clear evidence of the fact * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]onometre 7 points8 points9 points 19 hours ago (2 children) yeah not buying that for one second lmao * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]idontliketosleep 1 point2 points3 points 14 hours ago (1 child) I mean I don't use them full time (not op) but every time I install ubuntu basically nothing changed * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply continue this thread [-]MBSTDF 0 points1 point2 points 17 hours ago (0 children) 4 years? Rookie numbers. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]sixunitedxbox 1 point2 points3 points 13 hours ago (0 children) yeah maybe for the 10 built in apps lol * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Fit_Report951 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago (0 children) From a UX standpoint, there are things that handle consistency, but it's still not as good as Windows by a decent amount (I'm talking about if you use all apps, not if you use only KDE instead of GNOME). From a dev's standpoint, there's no consistency from what I've heard. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Jargomargo 13 points14 points15 points 21 hours ago (12 children) Regedit is fine that's an application used only by power users. But changing the system sounds? Changing the global sound effects like OS-wide equalizers? That's something average people do all the time. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]n0b0dyh0me 7 points8 points9 points 19 hours ago (11 children) So Power Users don't deserve to have a cohesive UI to work with? As a graphic designer and "power user", I take offense to this implication. (Not really, but you see my point hopefully). * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Pascalwb 2 points3 points4 points 17 hours ago (0 children) Imagine they make it like the new settings app, people me included would be angry. Those new settings are useless and finding something there is impossible. Power tools can get new icons or something but not total redesign * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Jargomargo 4 points5 points6 points 19 hours ago (8 children) I'm pretty sure most power users would not like regedit to be styled in the modern Windows 10 and 11 designs simply because it would space things too far away and get in the way of usability. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]SanPvPYT 2 points3 points4 points 14 hours ago (0 children) A darkmode would work. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Fit_Report951 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago (2 children) Out of curiosity, what would people have against replacing regedit with config files? Just launch Vim as admin, and you can do whatever you want. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]AccurateCandidate 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago (1 child) It would be such a functional restructure of how the operating system works that would break so many things that it wouldn't be Windows anymore. Most every app puts something in the registry, and either you get rid of it and say "we posix now edit stuff with $EDITOR" as every single app breaks, or you provide a way to convert those config files back into Registry entries at which point you've just reinvented GPO. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Fit_Report951 0 points1 point2 points 2 hours ago (0 children) ty * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]U0hZR1VZ 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago (1 child) I'd love an update that brings it more in line with explorer, dark mode mostly. something like this https://i.imgur.com/2Lme1rH.png * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]JebediahKerman3999 -2 points-1 points0 points 12 hours ago (1 child) So maybe this new design language is not good then? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Jargomargo 1 point2 points3 points 11 hours ago (0 children) Depends on what you mean by "good". There is no single objective "good". It all depends on the user and the device they're using. 1% power users will put up with a lot of information overload, density, and other unintuitive designs for more raw function. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]n0b0dyh0me 4 points5 points6 points 19 hours ago (1 child) To be fair to Microsoft, Windows 10 already had 9 of these present. It's not like this is a new issue. Windows has been a Kluge since the beginning, and it will continue to be a kluge. It would be really nice if they would tie things together with at least the color consistency, icon styles, fonts, and spacing. It would not be that hard. Yes, it would be work, and yes that means assembling a team of competent programmers and designers to take care of it IN A WAY THAT WOULD BE UNOBTRUSIVE TO "POWER USERS", but it really wouldn't be hard to do. At the very least, it would have been nice if they'd stuck to their guns with Metro or Modern, and not completely abandoned them both. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]-DivineGod- 2 points3 points4 points 15 hours ago (0 children) Volume. vs Volume Mixer. Really ruins the immersive experience. Dark mode... for some windows. Hell File Explorer itself can't be consistently dark. We just have to accept the mess as it is. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]antdude 4 points5 points6 points 19 hours ago (0 children) What about 3.x? I still prefer the older Windows from 3.x to NT to Vista in terms of GUIs. Obviously, 3.x, 9x, and Me weren't stable compared to NT and others. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]Vulpes_macrotis 4 points5 points6 points 17 hours ago (0 children) Woah. I actually thought that the MMC thing is older than Win32. The Device Manager looks so old compared to those Properties windows. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]Euphoric-Answer4903 5 points6 points7 points 18 hours ago (4 children) I'm sure Microsoft will try to fix these before June 24 Event. This is a very early build for which they would have changed a lot by now. Because during one of recent events of MS before, when you see one of the developer portal window, it looks like this: https://petri.com//wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2021/05/ msedge_2021-05-25_12-13-15.png As you can see from this link, the buttons of close, minimize and maximise look different from what we have seen until now. So, Hoping for the best on June 24 Edit: If you clearly see those, some things like buttons look revamped, which looks better. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]Zarkex01 -2 points-1 points0 points 11 hours ago (2 children) That's a Website though.. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]paiva_gabriel 2 points3 points4 points 10 hours ago (1 child) But if you look at the icons (close, minimize, etc) they look different than the current leaked build version; * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Zarkex01 0 points1 point2 points 9 hours ago (0 children) That's correct, but that could be just because Edge allthough I'm hoping it's a newer Windows 11 Build. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]OmNomDeBonBon[S] 12 points13 points14 points 1 day ago* (9 children) I have a lot of love for MS, but the fact there are at least 10 different design languages and conventions in a single build of their upcoming OS...that should be an embarrassment for the people responsible for Windows product management and user experience. I sincerely hope this isn't the final user experience. MS really need to go through every single UI element, categorise it, and strip out all the legacy design that's accumulated over the last 25 years. * Win32: still found all over the place, wouldn't be reasonable to expect this to disappear any time soon * MMC: Introduced in Windows NT4 Option Pack, popularised by Windows 2000, should really be replaced * XP: mostly removed with some remnants remaining * Aero: still found in Control Panel and other places. Uses colour, unlike Modern. * Ribbon UI: still found in Explorer, Paint, WordPad, etc., completely pointless as it splits one row of buttons into 2, 3 or 4 tabs when they'd all fit in one row * XB1 dash: found in the MS Store, supposedly being revamped in a newer W11 build, but I'd expect it to look the same as the Xbox Store on the Xbox consoles i.e. very different to Sun Valley * Metro: still found in the notification pane and a few other places * Modern: found in Settings. Doesn't use colour, breaking thousands of years design conventions; there is a 64,000-year-old cave painting in Spain which uses colour to convey meaning, but Microsoft think it's best if we give up on using colour to aid visual identification. Perhaps the worst design language Microsoft have ever developed. * Fluent: added to some (but not all) bundled apps, and Settings. Subtle in some places, very noticeable in others, still inconsistent. * Sun Valley: new in Windows 11 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks to u/fytuf19 for correcting an earlier version - Explorer's Ribbon UI was introduced in Windows 8. MS did, however, introduce Ribbon UI in Windows 7 via apps like MS Paint. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]The-Bytemaster 19 points20 points21 points 23 hours ago (3 children) Ribbon was actually introduced first into Office 2007. This was after a lot of research. What started it was the vast majority of office feature requests were for features that were already in Office, but users didn't know they were there. The design was to figure out how to expose all of this functionality more easily to users. In my opinion, apps like PowerPoint benefited the most, but the whole suite benefited quite a bit from this. Microsoft than begin moving this into built-in apps and tools in Windows, to keep things consistent. It really is an App design convention, optimized for apps with lots of functionality to be exposed easily to the user. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]antdude 1 point2 points3 points 19 hours ago (0 children) I still don't like ribbon UIs. :( * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]-DivineGod- 1 point2 points3 points 15 hours ago (0 children) Ribbon is pretty cool. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]OmNomDeBonBon[S] 3 points4 points5 points 23 hours ago (0 children) I was talking about when it was introduced in an OS. Ribbon UI makes sense for complex apps like MS Office. It doesn't make sense for simple apps like Explorer, Paint or WordPad, where they split one row's worth of buttons into three tabs. It's another design language which they adopted in their OS, then abandoned, within the space of a few years. All their newer apps don't use menu tabs ("ribbons"); they use a side panel of text options, which open up sub-pages of further text options, check boxes and sliders. No icons, no colour. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Tringi 2 points3 points4 points 19 hours ago (0 children) I'm pretty sure there are at least 2 flavors of Metro ...I saw Windows 8 switch, the square one, somewhere. Might be WiFi connect sidebar on Logon screen or something like that. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Kwpolska[] 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago (0 children) XP: mostly removed with some remnants remaining The only XP thing about your example was the icon. This interface was actually introduced around Vista, for some reason with an older icon. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]BS_497 -2 points-1 points0 points 10 hours ago (1 child) XB1 dash: found in the MS Store, supposedly being revamped in a newer W11 build, but I'd expect it to look the same as the Xbox Store on the Xbox consoles i.e. very different to Sun Valley Sorry but this statement is very stupid. Xbox design is part of Fluent/Sun Valley. It follows the same design lauguage! * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]OmNomDeBonBon[S] 1 point2 points3 points 10 hours ago* (0 children) The Xbox One was released in 2013, and had its GUI overhauled multiple times between then and now. The Windows 10 Store app looks most like the 2015 incarnation of the XB1 dash. Fluent was introduced in 2019, and Sun Valley is new in 2021. The current 2021 dash is Modern with Metro elements and heavy Xbox-centric customisations. Xbox has its own design language that's a mish-mash of at least two borrowed from Windows, and one made for Xbox. Xbox design is part of Fluent/Sun Valley. It follows the same design lauguage! You just listed two very different design languages. Fluent is an iteration of Modern with highlights and partial translucency. Sun Valley is whatever Windows 11 ends up being - rounded corners, colourful icons, etc. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]gaymathboi 4 points5 points6 points 16 hours ago* (0 children) People this was a leaked build of windows 11 and y'all are acting like it will be the finished product. Give Microsoft some leeway here. This leak is not the final copy of windows 11 that will be released, it's a WIP that is still essentially just windows 10 with minor ui changes. It will get better in the future and with official dev updates that allow users to try it out and see what they like and dislike. Edit: Just corrected some grammar mistakes. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]bananasrulethisworld 1 point2 points3 points 20 hours ago* (1 child) I have to agree, but at least they are gradually making the changes to the UI/UX. Some things they cannot change because they would have to abandon legacy, which most people will not tolerate. Most of MS customers are from the enterprise, so they cannot abandon such a large user base. The other issue is that app support will drop drastically, and that's one of the major reason Microsoft has so much marketshare. It's because PCs are affordable, but also have the largest app/games ecosystem. I'm pretty sure Windows 10X was MS attempt at starting from scratch, but It's not going to be an easy task. Apple has it easier because they control everything. If people want to use Mac's, they understand that support ends after a period and then you buy a new Mac. They also have a smaller marketshare, and so, its not as complex for Apple. I guess Microsoft could curtail app support through emulation, but I suspect it will not be an easy task. Its probably why they abandoned 10X... * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]-DivineGod- 1 point2 points3 points 15 hours ago (0 children) I wait for Windows 100 with 100 design patterns that still runs 32bit software. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]alonsoe1008 1 point2 points3 points 20 hours ago (0 children) The good thing about it all is that each operating system has left its heritage to the great new Windows. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]onometre 4 points5 points6 points 20 hours ago* (9 children) man I had hoped this sub would be a clean break from the toxicity of /r/windows10 but it's whinier than ever. That version of Paint isn't even supported and has to be downloaded separately lol. And those buttons on the far right are very much not copies of Windows 8 unless you think Windows 8 invented the concept of toggles. And the Store, Settings and Calculator app are all implementations of the same thing: Fluent. And what you claim is Aero is not. Those icons were all updated for windows 10. Unless you think the concept of a control panel is its own style? Lol. The more I look at this the stupider it becomes * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]Tringi 0 points1 point2 points 19 hours ago (4 children) Disliking and discussing clearly apparent deficiency isn't toxicity. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]onometre 5 points6 points7 points 19 hours ago (3 children) nitpicking to the point of just straight up being inaccurate is definitely toxicity lol Ignoring the rest of my comment that pointed out why it was inaccurate to try and take a moral high ground is also toxicity * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]cogginscx 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago (0 children) How is it nitpicking when these are basic functions of the operating system? Notepad?? Right-clicking? Property menus? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [+]Tringi comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points 19 hours ago (1 child) Have you been on the Internet before? * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]onometre 2 points3 points4 points 19 hours ago* (0 children) Yes and I'm sick of people thinking you can say literally whatever you want regardless of accuracy as long as you insist it's "Criticism". Meanwhile here you are, ignoring my actual criticisms of the post as being intolerant of others opinions. People can hate windows all they want. But they can't just make shit up on the fly to justify it lol * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]OmNomDeBonBon[S] -1 points0 points1 point 12 hours ago* (0 children) man I had hoped this sub would be a clean break from the toxicity of /r/windows10 but it's whinier than ever. The only person whining here is you. Nobody forced you to read the comments in this thread or post here. That version of Paint isn't even supported and has to be downloaded separately lol. That version of Paint ships with Windows 11 by default. And those buttons on the far right are very much not copies of Windows 8 unless you think Windows 8 invented the concept of toggles. Those "buttons" are tiles, introduced with Windows 8 and part of the deprecated Metro design language. And the Store, Settings and Calculator app are all implementations of the same thing: Fluent. The Store is a derivative of the 2015-era Xbox One dashboard. Settings' general design is "Modern" without transparencies and predates Fluent by 4 years. The Calculator, Calendar and other apps are Modern but with Fluent translucency and highlights grafted on top. And what you claim is Aero is not. Aero was the general design language of Windows Vista, not just the transparency effects on Windows' chrome and the shell. Those icons were all updated for windows 10. Unless you think the concept of a control panel is its own style? That specific Control Panel design was introduced in Vista. The more I look at this the stupider it becomes Again, you're whining about things while accusing others of whining. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]OmNomDeBonBon[S] -5 points-4 points-3 points 19 hours ago (2 children) How wrong can someone be in one post? Very. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]onometre 7 points8 points9 points 19 hours ago* (1 child) Yeah I know, you should be pretty embarrassed. I mean "XB1 dash"? That's literally and explicitly "modern" (which was rolled into, not replaced by, Fluent) as well * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]OmNomDeBonBon[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 12 hours ago (0 children) * The Windows Store's design language is derived from the 2015-era XB1 dash, which was itself a heavy derivation of Metro. * That design language isn't used anywhere else in Windows 10. * Fluent is an iteration of Modern which still hasn't been fully implemented across apps like Settings. * Modern doesn't use huge colourful interactive titles which scale with window size. Why are you going around speaking authoritatively on Windows' various design languages when you've clearly not used Windows 10 at all? Same for the XB1 dash's various iterations. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]HelloFuckYou1 2 points3 points4 points 19 hours ago (1 child) this is what i would expect from a leaked build from the dev channel.... and that is what it is * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]Neeat_freak 1 point2 points3 points 16 hours ago (2 children) So much incorrect stuff. It's like you purposely were exaggerating. 1. There nothing aero in that control panel(which is going to be removed anyway. 2. That windows xp dialog box isn't windows xp. The buttons are new winui buttons. 3. The windows store old ui was wayyyyy different than present one. 4. Sun valley isn't new design language. Have you heard of something called acrylic? * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]BS_497 0 points1 point2 points 10 hours ago (0 children) Interestingly, this post has 240+ upvotes lmao * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Shunuske 0 points1 point2 points 14 hours ago (0 children) I wonder why they got new icons for control panel if they are going to get rid of it anyway. It would be a shame cuz I really reaaly like those colorful icons. A redesign would be great but don't make it go away, it's so colorful : ( * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]thecrow32 0 points1 point2 points 21 hours ago (1 child) I think Microsoft should migrate the programs people most often use entirely to their new design. It's bad that there's still a legacy control panel and sound settings this far into the Windows 10 lifecycle. Programs reserved for power users like regedit or the gpedit can stay as they are for the time being. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]ApertureNext 0 points1 point2 points 14 hours ago (0 children) I just think they should modernize all UI most users would see, the ones who'd need to change a thing once in the life or power users should have no problem with an old dialog. For most people it really isn't a problem that they barely notice. I would actually prefer they didn't change the UI of many things, right now it's compact and fast to use, they can only make it worse with all their stupid margin and empty space. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Cynical_Kazu 0 points1 point2 points 18 hours ago (1 child) Keep in mind this is just an alpha version so most of the stuff is still from Windows 10 * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]Sabby_65 0 points1 point2 points 14 hours ago* (0 children) Are you serious? Win32 controls you shown as Win95 (win32) is updated (in Windows 11) to match WinUI design. maybe you can install Windows 95 how it look likes there. Also, New Settings, Action Center, Store is already present in internal branches. I'm fucking laughing hard that you're nitpicking an build that's not even intended to public release. New visual styles, WinUI 2.6 isn't even released yet, in roadmap, it's late June. How do you think these Apps would be updated Uhh? You're way too early . Windows11 is rumoured to generally available in late 2021, early 2022. and here you are! * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]sonicgear1 0 points1 point2 points 14 hours ago (0 children) This! Can't believe people think microsoft will fix this within a few months... It has taken years and the design is just getting more and kore inconsistent with every update. It's just sad * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]Manic_madness927 0 points1 point2 points 14 hours ago (2 children) Please do remember that this is a developer build from May and that Microsoft generally only let's certain teams see certain things. They still have time to fix it. That being said I agree that this is ridiculous and should have been fixed a long time ago. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]Zarkex01 1 point2 points3 points 11 hours ago (1 child) Not to mention that we don't even know the launch date, they might just announce it on the 24th of May and not release it yet until a year later or so. Same as with Windows 10, there happened a lot since the introduction of Windows 10 to release. * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Manic_madness927 0 points1 point2 points 11 hours ago (0 children) Yeah I think it's likely that they'll announce a release date for later this year or early next year so it's similar to the usual windows 10 release cycle * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]Disastrous-Ad-3915 -1 points0 points1 point 19 hours ago (2 children) i just dont understand ..if u dont like the OS ..there are plenty of other options..crying in reddit cant help ..nor will Microsoft change... * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]ImShatik 0 points1 point2 points 13 hours ago (0 children) There are no other options except Windows * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]MuhammadJim 0 points1 point2 points 18 hours ago (1 child) I didn't expect to live that windows 8.1 metro design in windows 11 sidepanel. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]Neeat_freak 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago (0 children) This is leaked build for God's sake. New action center will most probably be the one from win10x * permalink * embed * save * parent * report * give award * reply [-]alienbeeowo 0 points1 point2 points 18 hours ago (0 children) I eagerly await the day the sound panel is finally gone. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]lucky0511 0 points1 point2 points 18 hours ago (0 children) does anyone here still remember windows longhorn ?? * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]Pascalwb 0 points1 point2 points 17 hours ago (0 children) They should keep control panel and admin tools as they are, redesign always makes things worse * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]DanReddit92 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago (0 children) It's hard because on one hand building on top of what they already had ensures compatibility with previous/ legacy software but on the other building a whole new windows OS from th ground up would be a chance to unify the whole experience in one design language. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]alex12320 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago* (0 children) I hate both metro and modern design and their huge windows with huge empty spaces and huge buttons. Even the minimum window size of a metro app is huge. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]FetishizedStupidity 0 points1 point2 points 15 hours ago (0 children) Man. If I could have the look of Aero with the functionality of 10, I'd be set. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]Wrexsler 0 points1 point2 points 14 hours ago (0 children) Hope they'll do it Vista or Windows 7 style. Fingers crossed! * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]Ma5alasB2a 0 points1 point2 points 12 hours ago (0 children) Windows is a living nightmare of a design. Not two menus look similar across the operating system. This shit should be built from the ground up again and in modern design languages. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]varungupta3009 0 points1 point2 points 12 hours ago (0 children) The 2015 one is called Fabric, right? Fabric UI? * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]BigDickEnterprise 0 points1 point2 points 11 hours ago (0 children) holy shit go outside.jpg * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]lzandman 0 points1 point2 points 11 hours ago (0 children) They also have Linux GUI stuff over WSL. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]BFeely1 0 points1 point2 points 10 hours ago (0 children) The 2001 screenshot actually uses the Vista version Programs and Features and Aero style message box with its blue text. The "Win32" dialog has been skinned by Uxtheme which dates to Windows XP; non Uxtheme aware apps still use Windows 95 style dialog controls for compatibility. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]BS_497 0 points1 point2 points 10 hours ago (0 children) First of all, Sun Valley isn't a design language and secondly, the Action Center is not metro lol * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]rabisa47 0 points1 point2 points 10 hours ago (0 children) Ah yes, C O N S I S T E N C Y * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]RLazarotto 0 points1 point2 points 9 hours ago (0 children) Yet somehow it feels right at home, even with this mess. I can confortably move from one UI language/convention to another radically different without even noticing, because I've been doing this ever since I started using computers. I would love if they managed to get it all under only one design, tho. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]kushalpandya 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago (0 children) I've been using Windows, macOS and Linux for years now, and so far only desktop where I've seen most unified UI consistency is in KDE Plasma, it is unreal that an OSS trumps multi-billion orgs when it comes to these things. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]bigriggs24 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago (0 children) I have no problem with this. I barely even notice * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]AltruisticGap 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago (0 children) Design by committee * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]jasonheartsreddit 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago (0 children) When Win10 first released, I could still find the Win3.1 color picker. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]m2b2 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago (0 children) piling of shit? * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]ralesk82 0 points1 point2 points 2 hours ago (0 children) Why did the "modern" (read: useless) scroll bar have to infect old UI components? * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]MadRifter 0 points1 point2 points 2 hours ago (0 children) What about the Windows 3.1 font selection dialog, was that removed finally? * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]zdimension 0 points1 point2 points 2 hours ago (0 children) Don't forget about the Windows 3.1 common file dialog that's still accessible from the ODBC Data Sources options * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply [-]kalsiyumcanavari -2 points-1 points0 points 14 hours ago (0 children) So bad. * permalink * embed * save * report * give award * reply * about * blog * about * advertising * careers * help * site rules * Reddit help center * reddiquette * mod guidelines * contact us * apps & tools * Reddit for iPhone * Reddit for Android * mobile website * <3 * reddit premium * reddit coins * redditgifts Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy. 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