Mr. Paul. No.

Mr. Hubert. What was his attitude toward his religion, do you know?

Mr. Paul. He was very conscientious about it. You know, like I told you the first time that when his father died he went a year to the synagogue every week to pray.

Mr. Hubert. Did he read any books about Jewish people and the history of the Jewish people and so forth?

Mr. Paul. He might have, but I never recall seeing him.

Mr. Hubert. Did you ever see any books in his apartment or literature of that sort?

Mr. Paul. I don’t think Ruby had any books. I don’t think that Ruby read anything—well, he read papers. He read every newspaper that was in Dallas all the time.

Mr. Hubert. I want to show you two pictures that have been identified as Exhibits Nos. 1 and 2 of the Deposition of Bruce Carlin and ask you if you recognize the man who is represented in those two pictures.

Mr. Paul (examining instruments referred to). I don’t remember any of them—both of them—I don’t remember them at all. The face don’t even phase me.

Mr. Hubert. In other words, you don’t recognize the face at all?

Mr. Paul. No.

Mr. Hubert. Did you know Officer J. D. Tippit, the one that was shot by Oswald?

Mr. Paul. No, sir.

Mr. Hubert. If I tell you now that these are pictures of J. D. Tippit, that still doesn’t refresh your memory as having seen them at all?

Mr. Paul. I might have seen them in the paper and didn’t even look close. [Examining instruments mentioned.]

Mr. Hubert. To your knowledge, you’ve never seen him?

Mr. Paul. No.

Mr. Hubert. Now, I show you two other pictures that have been identified as follows: Exhibits Nos. 3 and 4. These are in the Deposition of Bruce Carlin of August 24, 1964, and ask you if you can identify the person whose picture appears in those exhibits?

Mr. Paul (examining instruments mentioned). No.

Mr. Hubert. Have you ever seen any man that looks like that?

Mr. Paul. No, sir.

Mr. Hubert. I tell you now that these are pictures of Bernard Weissman—have you ever seen or met this man?

Mr. Paul. No.

Mr. Hubert. The answer is “No”?

Mr. Paul. I don’t know a Bernard Weissman.

Mr. Hubert. What was that?

Mr. Paul. I don’t know anybody by the name of Bernard Weissman.

Mr. Hubert. And you have never seen this man?

Mr. Paul. Not that I can recall. When you’re at the club and you’re standing around or walking around and somebody comes in and introduces himself, and as he says his name it just flies out the window, but I’ll tell you, Jack had a good memory for names.

Mr. Hubert. But your answer to me is that so far as your memory serves you, you don’t recognize him as ever seeing this man, Bernard Weissman, who is in Exhibits Nos. 3 and 4 of the Deposition of Bruce Carlin?

Mr. Paul. No.

Mr. Hubert. Now, right after you opened the club there and after Oswald was shot, did you have a man there who was sort of a cashier for you?

Mr. Paul. Yes; Leo Torti.

Mr. Hubert. What was his name?

Mr. Paul. Leo Torti—[spelling] T-o-r-t-i.

Mr. Hubert. Is he in Dallas?

Mr. Paul. Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert. Do you know where he is?

Mr. Paul. No, sir.

Mr. Hubert. He’s a resident of Dallas, he lives there?

Mr. Paul. Yes.

Mr. Hubert. In your opinion, he’s still in Dallas?

Mr. Paul. I guess so.

Mr. Hubert. What business was he in, do you know?

Mr. Paul. Well, he was a salesman. I know, the last time I saw him was before Jack’s trial, and he was out of work.

Mr. Hubert. Did you pay for any part of Ruby’s defense of hiring lawyers and so forth?

Mr. Paul. No, sir.

Mr. Hubert. You haven’t put up any money at all?

Mr. Paul (shaking his head for negative reply).

Mr. Hubert. The answer is “No”?

Mr. Paul. No.

Mr. Hubert. This Leo Torti, does he resemble in any way this man, Bernard Weissman, whose pictures appear in Exhibits Nos. 3 and 4 of the Deposition of Bruce Carlin?

Mr. Paul. No—not at all.

Mr. Hubert. Do you remember talking to Ruby at all about the President’s visit?

Mr. Paul. No, sir.

Mr. Hubert. Did you tell anyone on Sunday about the number of calls that you had received from Jack Ruby on Saturday?

Mr. Paul. Yes; I told it to the people working at the place.

Mr. Hubert. That would be who?

Mr. Paul. Well, the Jacksons; the other girls that worked there.

Mr. Hubert. What was the occasion of your telling them that, why did you tell them that?

Mr. Paul. No occasion—I just said, “I spoke to him just last night a couple of times”—after the thing happened.

Mr. Hubert. In other words, you spoke to them and told them that you had talked to Jack, but that was after you knew Jack had shot Oswald?

Mr. Paul. No—I told them that he called me on Saturday night a few times.

Mr. Hubert. But did you tell them that before you knew that Jack had shot Oswald or after?

Mr. Paul. After.

Mr. Hubert. All right, Mr. Paul. I don’t believe we have talked about anything today that has not been made a part of the record, is that correct, sir?

Mr. Paul. Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert. I certainly thank you for coming again, Mr. Paul.

Mr. Paul. Okay—my pleasure.