Mr. Carlin. This man does look familiar as I told the FBI agent, but I cannot say if I’ve seen him or where I’ve seen him, if I had.

Mr. Hubert. Did you ever see him in connection with Ruby?

Mr. Carlin. I can’t say—it just seems as though I have seen this man before.

Mr. Hubert. You don’t remember where?

Mr. Carlin. No; I don’t even remember if I’ve seen him. I just know he looks familiar.

Mr. Hubert. All right, sir. I thank you. That’s all.

Mr. Carlin. Very good.

Mr. Hubert. Now, prior to your coming into this room today, I don’t believe we had any conversation, and therefore I ask you whether you concur that everything that has passed between us has been in this room since the reporter has been taking it down?

Mr. Carlin. That’s right. I would like to say this, if I may?

Mr. Hubert. Yes.

Mr. Carlin. I have told all that I know. As far as I’m concerned, my wife has told all that she knows. I don’t believe she knows any more. Because of this complete or whole situation, I have lost one job and lost other jobs in regard to it, maybe not for the same reason but I knew why.

Now, I’ve got a living to make and a family to support and if there is anything else that anybody wants to talk to me about, I wish they would get it over with now, because it’s a matter of what or whether I’m going to eat or my family is going to eat the next meal and I should be out working today and I’ve lost another day, and I’ve been as cooperative as I can be.

I know no more. I don’t care about Ruby. I have a family to support and it all just sums up that I’m just tired of the FBI and Secret Service, and I know they’re doing their jobs, but it’s hard to live and live normally with the situation keeping coming back up like it is.

Now, if a man goes to jail, he pays his debt to society and he’s out and should be left alone. Karen probably should not have been working where she was working, but she is not working now and I’m trying to support her and a baby and I would like to be left alone.

If I could tell all I know, which I have told—I would like to get this over with and quit having to come back up here and be embarrassed by my landlord being asked by the Federal agents about where I am and questions about me and my friends.

I know it is a job that had to be done, and I feel like I’ve been questioned and investigated, and I don’t care how much they investigate me, but this is enough, and I think it’s time now to be left alone.

Mr. Hubert. We certainly appreciate your feelings. Let me make this statement to you—the fact that you’ve been recalled is by no means for the purpose of harassing you.

Mr. Carlin. Oh, I understand that.

Mr. Hubert. It’s just simply that sometimes little points develop that we didn’t know about at prior times, and it’s just an effort to do it right.

Mr. Carlin. I understand that. I know everyone is doing their job and I realize that I told you things today that I didn’t remember the first time I was here.

Mr. Hubert. With respect to your loss of pay, of course, I don’t think the Government can make that up to you, but there is a per diem which you are entitled to for appearing——

Mr. Carlin. No; I don’t expect them to.

Mr. Hubert. And if you will check with Mr. Conkle of the Secret Service, I think he can arrange to have you receive the per diem, so you may check with him. I don’t know whether it will be material or not but you might check with him.

Mr. Carlin. Well, I’m not asking anything from the Government. I know I had a job to do and I think I’ve told you all I know.

Mr. Hubert. But under the law you may be entitled to some stipend, and we want you to have it.

Mr. Carlin. Well, I have contacted my lawyer here again and he said, “Go again and try to explain to them the situation that you’re in.” It has made it hard. I was making good money up until this started and it seems that I can’t stay anywhere long that they don’t recognize her, or an agent is asking questions, or the word gets around as to who I am and who my wife is, and this always means—well, it’s jeopardizing my family, and it’s nobody’s fault but ours, but we’re trying to live it down and we can’t do it if things like this keep coming up.

Mr. Hubert. Well, I’m sure the Commission will take that into account. I don’t know whether you will be interrogated again—probably not—but I can assure you that if it should come about, it is because it would be absolutely necessary.

Mr. Carlin. Okay.

Mr. Hubert. We really appreciate your position and thank you very much.

Mr. Carlin. Okay, sir. Glad to have seen you.

Mr. Hubert. All right. Thank you.