Mr. Griffin. I want to go back a bit. About what time did you arrive in the jail basement on Sunday, the 24th?

Mr. Kantor. The transferral, as we understood it, was supposed to be made at 10 o’clock. And I got up leisurely and was staying at the White Plaza Hotel across the street, and made no effort to be there promptly at 10 o’clock. The reason I did that is because Scripps-Howard wire to its newspaper operates at night, and a morning event in itself is not too awfully important.

Mr. Griffin. How long were you there before the shooting took place?

Mr. Kantor. I got there about approximately a quarter to 11. I was checked three times for identification upon getting down to the basement.

Mr. Griffin. When you went down to the basement, did you remain the entire time in that position “K” that you have marked there?

Mr. Kantor. No.

Mr. Griffin. Where were you when you first went into the basement?

Mr. Kantor. The regular bank of elevators, that is those going upstairs——

Mr. Griffin. On the Harwood side?

Mr. Kantor. Yes; are about here, are they not?

Mr. Griffin. Yes; the reporter, of course, can’t tell, but just let’s refer to them as the Harwood elevators.

Mr. Kantor. Well, I walked into the building and went up to the third floor first, and then rode the elevator down to the basement—that is the regular elevator. When I stepped out of the elevator, I was stopped almost immediately by an officer, and he would not accept my credentials at all, even though I had a White House card and my old Dallas police card, Texas State Police card.

Some detective, I don’t know who, came over and looked at my credentials and said that they were okay. And I went into the jail office, and took up a position along the west wall. There is a counter—there was a counter opposite me on which a camera was set up, as I recall, and there were a handful of other reporters in there. And Captain Jones at about 11:15 walked in briskly and said that we all would have to leave.

Mr. Griffin. Then where did you go?

Mr. Kantor. Fenley and I were together, and I told Fenley to delay leaving as long as possible because it appeared that they were ready to move Oswald, and maybe if we tarried long enough, we could still be in there. But it didn’t work. And though we moved slowly—we moved down the line of people who were along here, and took up a position about here.

Mr. Griffin. Now, why don’t you mark a “1” there at your first position.

Mr. Kantor. All right.

Mr. Griffin. And how long did you remain at position 1?

Mr. Kantor. We just walked into that position and they pulled out a couple of police cars, one of which was directly behind where I was standing, and, therefore, causing me to move over here, where it was rather crowded, along the post.

Mr. Griffin. Where did those police cars go that they moved out?

Mr. Kantor. Well, as I recall—there may have been three, but I am not sure—one went to the Commerce Street ramp side and one pulled in front of us facing Main Street.

Mr. Griffin. Now, that car that was facing Main Street, did it stop, or did you see it go up the Main Street ramp, or what, or don’t you remember?

Mr. Kantor. Well, I don’t remember how many cars were involved. There was a car which pulled out and stopped directly in front of us.

Mr. Griffin. Do you recall a car driving up the Main Street ramp?

Mr. Kantor. I don’t now; no.

Mr. Griffin. How long were you in the police building on Friday night?

Mr. Kantor. Until approximately 2:30 in the morning.

Mr. Griffin. And what time did you arrive that evening or afternoon?

Mr. Kantor. I went directly from Love Field after the President’s plane took off, and got there about 4 o’clock.

Mr. Griffin. And did you remain there continuously, from 4 until 2:30?

Mr. Kantor. Without a break.

Mr. Griffin. And how much of that time was spent up on the third floor?

Mr. Kantor. The entire time.

Mr. Griffin. Did you attend the press conference Henry Wade had with Chief Curry in the assembly room?

Mr. Kantor. I am sorry. I did go down there after midnight.

Mr. Griffin. Now, do you have notes of that press conference?

Mr. Kantor. No; I had a lot of trouble hearing, first of all—a lot of trouble hearing Oswald. I picked up a couple of words he was muttering. I was standing on a table about halfway back in the room. And then immediately following that, I guess Henry Wade had a conference. Is that what you are referring to?

Mr. Griffin. Yes.

Mr. Kantor. I don’t know—I guess I have got a couple of notes on it. I don’t know how extensive.

Mr. Griffin. During the period you were in the city hall or the police department building on Friday night, did you see Jack Ruby?

Mr. Kantor. Never.

Mr. Griffin. Now, were you in the police department building on Saturday?

Mr. Kantor. Yes.

Mr. Griffin. For what period were you in there on Saturday?

Mr. Kantor. I was in the building between 10 a.m., and about 9:15 p.m., or perhaps a little bit later in the evening. However, I did leave the building a couple of times to go across the street for food.

Mr. Griffin. Do you remember seeing Jack Ruby at all on Saturday?

Mr. Kantor. No; I did not see him.

Mr. Griffin. Mr. Hubert, do you have any questions you would like to ask?

Mr. Hubert. I think you better clarify about the second automobile that pulled up. I got the impression, as you testified, that the front of the second car was headed toward Main Street. Is that correct?

Mr. Kantor. Yes, sir; to the best of my recollection it was, because I had explained to Mr. Griffin that I remember an officer coming over the top of the car and bounding down to the hood and then off.

Mr. Hubert. But the first car that pulled up headed toward Commerce Street?

Mr. Kantor. Well, I wish I could be certain about it, but I am not sure of the order. I was mostly aware at that moment that it was apparent that Oswald was about to be moved, and that I was being shoved a little bit to make room for these cars to get out, and that I wanted a good vantage point. And I think that was my chief concern.

Mr. Hubert. You mentioned that you were in the assembly room at the time Oswald was brought down to see the press, and that you were standing on a table, I think, at the rear, and that you did not see Ruby in that room at all.

Mr. Kantor. I did not.

Mr. Hubert. Did you hear anyone make any comment to Wade concerning the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, or correct a statement that Wade made in connection with the Fair Play for Cuba Committee? Well, let me put it this way: Did you hear Wade make any comment with respect to a Cuban committee at all?

Mr. Kantor. I believe that there was. I don’t think I took notes on this. Our Latin American correspondent called from Miami early in the evening and had talked about this matter to me. I do vaguely recall some conversation involving Henry Wade on that matter, and I don’t think——

Mr. Hubert. Do you have any recollection at present that Henry Wade made a comment about some Cuban committee?

Mr. Kantor. I don’t remember whether he was asked specifically about this, or whether he brought it up. But I do vaguely recall there was some conversation about it.

Mr. Hubert. All right. Then did you hear someone correct his designation or, rather, the name of the committee?

Mr. Kantor. It almost seems as though I did. I could not swear to it.

Mr. Hubert. How many people were in that room?

Mr. Kantor. It was very crowded. I would estimate about 60, perhaps.

Mr. Hubert. And how large was the room?

Mr. Kantor. I would say about 25 or 30 yards long, and about 10 to 12 yards wide, something like that.

Mr. Hubert. Were you at the back of the room?

Mr. Kantor. I was in approximately the middle of the room, standing on a table, which did put me in a position of being more to the rear of the group.

Mr. Hubert. Did you see anyone else standing on a table?

Mr. Kantor. Yes, sir; quite a few were standing on tables. Photographers took up choice positions immediately in front of Oswald, as he was led in. In order both to hear and see I think the majority of people were standing on tables.

Mr. Hubert. I have no further questions.

Mr. Griffin. When did you first report to your newspaper that you had seen Ruby at Parkland Hospital?

Mr. Kantor. Again, I telephoned Charles Egger at about 1:30 Sunday afternoon, told him that I was well acquainted with Jack Ruby, and had seen him at the hospital. He said, “That sounds like a pretty good story for tomorrow.” I waited until sometime during the evening to write it simply because we didn’t know what was going to happen next.

Mr. Griffin. Did you notify any police department officials that you had seen him at Parkland Hospital?

Mr. Kantor. No; as a matter of fact, I wrote it in my story, and never said a word to anybody beyond that.

An FBI man asked me about it about 5 days later.

Mr. Griffin. Now, Mr. Kantor, would you look over the two diagrams we have been talking about, Exhibit No. 1 and Exhibit No. 2, and if those are correct in terms of what we have been talking about, would you sign them?

Mr. Kantor. Yes; I would be happy to.

Mr. Griffin. And please date it, also.

Mr. Kantor. Surely.

Mr. Griffin. Let the record reflect that Mr. Kantor has signed Deposition Exhibits Nos. 1 and 2 and dated them.

The taking of the deposition is recessed until a time tomorrow afternoon to be arranged to suit the convenience of Mr. Kantor.