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Who tf is Doug Wilson?
Back in August a video of church leaders who want the 19th Amendment repealed went viral after being retweeted by US Secretary of War Pete Hegseth. They were from the Congregation of Reformed Evangelical Churches [what?] led by Doug Wilson [who?]. What is Doug Wilson on about and why should we care? Fundie Fridays will tell you all about him [youtube | 2h27m]
posted by phunniemee on Dec 06, 2025 at 7:44 AM
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Fuck Doug Wilson into the ground. Moscow rules and his church is trying to take over and it sucks.
posted by Uncle at 8:22 AM
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fyi, 19A
posted by j_curiouser at 9:40 AM
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The Bucks County Beacon has been on this guy for a minute. Jenny Cohn (Bluesky) is worth following on this issue.
posted by MonkeyToes at 10:55 AM
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I first learned about Doug Wilson from Libby Anne, a survivor of a childhood in his culture who had the blog Love, Joy, Feminism on Patheos. It looks like it's been 10 years since she posted anything over there, and you can no longer easily browse her site, but her old posts are still findable through the Patheos search function. She was incredibly honest and brave, and I learned so much about the extremist sects of Christianity from her.
posted by hydropsyche at 11:28 AM
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I guess its a good thing I had to look up what the 19th amendment was?
Besides that I have no words. American Taliban indeed.
posted by Mitheral at 12:20 PM
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I'm an hour in to the video and my head just keep shaking in utter amazement...
posted by aldus_manutius at 2:04 PM
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Doug Wilson is one of those guys where every time I learn about him I'm surprised by all the shit I've forgotten about so I can move on with my day without exploding into a ball of rage. The country is a sea of these shitty men so it can be hard to keep track of which ones do the most harm but if you're making a short list, Doug Wilson is way up there.
posted by Mizu at 2:19 PM
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What is the realistic prospect of any change to the Constitution? My understanding is that it's basically impossible in the current environment (change here distinguished from either ignoring it or doing an interpretive end run via the supreme Court, tbc).
Is that correct?
posted by Sebmojo at 3:50 PM
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I fucking hope so...
These fucking assholes.
posted by Windopaene at 4:03 PM
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I suppose with this Supreme Court you never know... maybe they could decide that the 19A was only, in it's original framing, supposed to apply to unmarried white women or something like that. Ever since they've decided to hear the birthright citizenship case it feels like all bets are off.
posted by nangua at 4:38 PM
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"Ordinarily, the vote is cast by the head of the household, the husband and father, because we're patriarchal and not egalitarian," Wilson said.
Fuck you.
He added that repealing the 19th Amendment is not high on his list of priorities.
But it is on your list, one would assume? Fuck youuuuuuuuuuu.
posted by xedrik at 5:26 PM
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What is the realistic prospect of any change to the Constitution? My understanding is that it's basically impossible in the current environment (change here distinguished from either ignoring it or doing an interpretive end run via the supreme Court, tbc). Is that correct?
Actually changing the Constitution by repealing the Amendment is difficult. It would take a 2/3 majority "Yes" vote from the House and the Senate both, followed by 38 of all the states voting to ratify it for an amendment to be accepted. (This is why we do not have an Equal Rights Amendment, in fact - the ERA made it through the House and Senate, but didn't get 38 states to say "yes" in time.) I am quite certain that even though there's an uncomfortable number of people who would want to repeal the 19th Amendment, I'm pretty confident that there isn't a majority who do so, much less a majority that size.
The thing to watch out for, however, is if the Supreme Court tries to reinterpret the 19th Amendment. But even here, I think it would need a court case that would directly tie into it first, and I'm honestly not sure what kind of court case could be trumped up that would invoke the 19th Amendment in the first place. (I don't doubt these dipshits would still try, but it's not going to be a snap-your-fingers-easy thing for them, and it would be more like "the next long game to watch for" the way Roe V. Wade was.)
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 5:58 PM
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I'm honestly not sure what kind of court case could be trumped up that would invoke the 19th Amendment in the first place
Couldn't it just be "Government announces action violating amendment, someone files suit complaining about it, the case goes up the ladder until the Supreme Court agrees to hear it"? That seems to have worked pretty well for the 14th amendment.
posted by No-sword at 6:43 PM
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Couldn't it just be "Government announces action violating amendment, someone files suit complaining about it, the case goes up the ladder until the Supreme Court agrees to hear it"?
With the caveat that all I know about this kind of thing I know from Googling shit and from stories about the Scopes Monkey Trial, so someone do correct me -
I always thought that it couldn't just be "someone files suit complaining about it", but it was more like "government announces action violating Amendment, someone tries bucking the trend and gets charged, they counter-appeal and that's what brings it to the Supreme Court". John Scopes (the guy the "monkey trial" was named after) was a teacher who was teaching evolution in Tennessee schools, even though doing so was illegal in the state; but he agreed to do so in collaboration with the ACLU so that they could have a defendant in a trial to challenge the Tennessee law prohibiting teaching it. It's always been my understanding that you have to have an actual case to file a suit about; you can't just say "this law sucks eggs", you have to have a person accused of something so you can say "Sid here is innocent because the law you charged him with breaking sucks eggs".
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 8:43 PM
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What is the realistic prospect of any change to the Constitution?
This is irrelevant because we have a political regime in power who simply doesn't care. Oh, the constitution says so? Big whoop!
:lols in emoluments clause:
posted by phunniemee at 9:04 PM
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I'm honestly not sure what kind of court case could be trumped up that would invoke the 19th Amendment in the first place
You get some misogynistic local government to just declare women ineligible to vote. A school board, a city election, a referendum. Then you run it all the way up hoping the corrupt Supreme Court channels some 18th century bigot to neuter the amendment.
posted by Mitheral at 11:07 PM
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it's not like the Supreme Court cares about standing anymore when it comes to advancing their agenda. if they want to make a decision, they'll find a way to do. it, and if they want to be cowards about it, they'll do it on the shadow docket.
I'm no dedicated court analyst, but the Roberts court may be the worst Supreme Court the country has seen, at least when it comes trashing standards and norms around decision making.
posted by kokaku at 3:12 AM
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I wish this video was more concise and accessible because I really need a link to share with folks who I try to explain Moscow to, as I have people close to me who have to deal with these assholes every single day. Literally next door.
posted by St. Oops at 4:47 AM
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If the Extremes can decide a case of an imaginary gay wedding cake then it is no problem hearing any crazy shit they want.
posted by nofundy at 2:37 PM
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The christofascist doesn't like being called a christofascist?
If it looks like a duck, and it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck.....
This Jew is still enraged about being told by one of their ilk AT MY FATHER'S DEATHBED that my faith and my prayers are not valid.
This is the kind of shit leaders of evangelical cults have been spewing to their brainwashed followers:
1) Make the distinction between believing Jews (those who trust Jesus as Messiah) and non-believing (Christ rejecting) Jews.
2) Make the distinction between Old Covenant Judaism and New Covenant Judaism (see the Book of Hebrews).
3) Make a distinction between Israel as a promised land and the present land of Israel.
4) Make a distinction between the national covenant people of Israel—in their present condition, and the promised future condition of the national covenant people of Israel.
5) Make a distinction between the (natural) descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob—the Israel of the flesh, and the (Christ trusting) Israel of God—the Israel of promise.
6) Make a distinction between Israel and the Church.
The Church has not replaced Israel.
Antisemitism is evil.
Christians are called to love their enemies.
Christ rejecting Jews (antichrists) ARE enemies of the truth.
Christians are called to reject evil.
Christians are called to embrace the truth—in spite of who declares it.
Christians are called to share the Gospel—to the Jew first and also to the Gentile.
I'm sure that my father's "caregiver" had been ingrained with similar...which is why she felt comfortable trying to lovebomb me (which is emotional abuse)and demand that I "accept Jesus into my heart" right after she'd observed me praying with my family's rabbi.
posted by brujita at 10:42 AM
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I get your personal issue with this, but at some point Christian and Jewish beliefs actually are just incompatible.
posted by star gentle uterus at 1:25 PM
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Our main belief is that we don't believe that Jesus is the messiah, that the creator is one entity.
Our version of the 10 commandments is : I'm God and I'm the only god are separate, not coveting neighbor's stuff is all one.
posted by brujita at 1:30 PM
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The christofascist pastor( also in north ID)who relayed the above to his brainwashed congregation has been recently called out by his now estranged daughter for not protecting her from sexual abuse by his followers and refusing to hold them accountable.
posted by brujita at 1:39 PM
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Our main belief is that we don't believe that Jesus is the messiah
Unfortunately this is kinda the core, foundational belief of (at least all major forms of) Christianity, which is where the fundamental incompatibility comes in.
posted by star gentle uterus at 2:16 PM
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Every faith has a variation of the golden rule
posted by brujita at 4:07 PM
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I get your personal issue with this, but at some point Christian and Jewish beliefs actually are just incompatible.
.....Huh?
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 3:51 AM
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