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Marguerite Porete was a beguine.

Janet Rich Edwards on Marguerite Porete and the Power of Unconventional Faith - "In the Middle Ages, a woman had two choices: marriage or the convent. Faced with these meager options, women began to form their own communities. At first, beguinages were scattered households of women. Later, 'court beguinages' held hundreds, even thousands, of residents. By the close of the 13th century, there were almost a million beguines in Europe."[1] (previously)
Beguines committed to live in simplicity, chastity, and charity, as long as they remained in the beguinage. They were free to leave at any time. Their pledges to each other have the ring of religious vows, with one big difference: beguines didn't vow obedience. They refused the rule of the Church. I loved them immediately. Here was the religious resistance. As you can imagine, the Church was very nervous about these ungoverned women. They read, they wrote, they taught, and some of them even preached on street corners, which was forbidden to women. It's suggested that a few dabbled in illegal translations of scripture from the Latin to local vernacular, a practice frowned upon (to put it mildly) by the Pope. These were medieval women forging their own way, taking risks, creating nonconformist communities. It made sense that Marguerite, with her impolitic and forthright Mirror, was a beguine. They were known for their mystical leanings and for dancing in church. Beguines existed on the edge of papal approval until, in 1311, the year after Marguerite died, Pope Clement V declared them heretics. And yet, like The Mirror of Simple Souls[2], they survived. The last beguine, Marcella Pattyn, died in 2013. She played the banjo for the sick. In their joy and courage, in their insistence on faith even as they defied the Church, the beguines were inspiring. They showed me what I was missing. Community. I wasn't yet ready to join one, but maybe I could write one.

posted by kliuless on Dec 04, 2025 at 11:56 PM

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How fascinating! This is like (re)discovering a secret history. Growing up in Europe in a country that still had a strong catholic heritage, and despite attending a very liberal school and growing in a feminist household, this is the first that I heard of this wonderful concept. They certainly did not cover those events in history class!

How sad and predictable that the movement was annihilated, but how wonderful that it lasted as long as it did. It may need to be resurrected, and I have a feeling that it periodically returns in different incarnations. (At this year's international photography festival in Arles, France, there was a wonderful installation featuring the work of Carmen Winant and her collaboration with Carol Newhouse at WomanShare, the 1970s lesbian feminist commune on the West Coast of the US. It was a time when they too were trying to create that kind of space). Perhaps these perilous times need a version of that idea to come back....

Thank you, kliuless, for that great post!
posted by Bigbootay. Tay! Tay! Blam! Aargh... at 12:45 AM

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This is fascinating. And it makes me wonder what etymological trip the word "beguine" went on to go from these orders of "ungoverned women" to a "slow rhumba" ... Begin the Beguine... (a-and back to Begin the Begin)

The insurgency began and you missed it
I looked for it and I found it

posted by chavenet at 1:54 AM

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This is super cool. I've had an interest in religious non-conformists for awhile and never heard of them either.

I love small-a anarchism. People doing the things that need to be done, people helping. It's always very illuminating that the powers that be feel threatened by this.
posted by Smedly, Butlerian jihadi at 4:25 AM

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they will become bene gesserit :P
posted by kliuless at 5:34 AM

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Thank you for this post, kliuless! It's hard to believe I've never heard of the Beguines. Well, not really so hard to believe, more disappointing. I'm thankful to have that particular bit of my historical ignorance nibbled away.
posted by Nancy_LockIsLit_Palmer at 6:21 AM

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it makes me wonder what etymological trip the word "beguine" went on to go from these orders of "ungoverned women" to a "slow rhumba"

It made me wonder too, but Etymology Online might provide something of an answer:

a kind of popular dance of West Indian origin, from French colloquial béguin "an infatuation, boyfriend, girlfriend"


And elsewhere I've seen the word for the dance described as "flirtation". Still a bit of an unexpected (possibly chauvinistic?) mutation, though. There's probably more to it, but I should be working rather than diving down a linguistic rabbit-hole.
posted by Greg_Ace at 8:26 AM

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it's beguiling!
posted by kliuless at 9:06 AM

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Amye, que voulez vous de moy?
Je contiens tout ce qui fut et qui est et qui sera,
Je suis du tout remplie.
Prenez de moy tout ce qu'il vous plaira -
se vous me voulez toute, je ne contredis mie.
Dictes, amye, que voulez vous de moy?
Je suis Amour, qui du tout suis remplie:
ce que vous voulez
nous voulon, amye -
dictes nous neument vostre voulenté.

Excerpt from Le Mirouer des simples ames, Marguerite Porete
posted by supermedusa at 9:23 AM

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My favorite "Begin the Beguine" . . . by Michael Nesmith!

Back to how women survived or didn't - thanks, kliuless!
posted by Mesaverdian at 11:19 AM

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Marguerite Porete is a name I haven't come across in a long time. If memory serves, I first read about her in Norman Cohn's The Pursuit of the Millenium, which associated her with what was deemed the heresy of the Free Spirit.
posted by house-goblin at 11:24 AM

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The beguines are fascinating and I'm going to enjoy these links. But also -- this is one of the bits of history that is new about every fifteen years. Twenty? They went around in the early 1960s or even 1950s with Digger romanticism, and then again in the 1970s among feminists, and in the 1990s among different feminists.

just went to check if they were in The Dawn of Everything and no, not in the index anyway.
posted by clew at 1:01 PM

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I visited Begijnhof in Amsterdam ages ago, but didn't realize the whole history behind it. It was a peaceful place.
posted by of strange foe at 8:22 AM

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The legal situation varied a bit from country to country, but one of the important features of the beguinage was that ownership was the right of the beguine. At a time when it was difficult to own property as a woman, this was an extremely significant exception.

That property could be passed by will or sold, but only to another woman who accepted the terms of the community.
posted by Barbara Spitzer at 3:25 PM

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