From: spw2562%ritcv.UUCP@seismo.CSS.GOV Newsgroups: net.general Subject: internet mailing summary Date: 25 Nov 85 18:43:12 GMT Here's my promised posting of internetwork mailing.. There was a HUGE amount of mail in response to the original posting.. ppl are really interested in this... It took me 3 days to sort out all the mail... 8-) ___________________________________________________________________________ Here is a summary of the current information at NETSERV about some of the networks that are connected to the ARPA Internet (CSNET X25Net, Arpanet, Mailnet, etc.) and to CSNET PhoneNet. Please note that the use of the ARPA Internet is restricted to authorized individuals and is regulated by the Defense Communications Agency. ========================================================================== Internet ==> Internet user@host.ARPA Internet ==> PhoneNet user%host@csnet-relay.ARPA PhoneNet ==> Internet user@host Note: CSNET-RELAY rewrites the address and appends ".ARPA" to the host name. Internet ==> BITNET user%host.BITNET@wiscvm.ARPA BITNET ==> Internet BSMTP with "user@host.ARPA" NOTE: SEE GATEWAY BSMTP FOR DETAILS OF BSMTP. Internet ==> DEC ENET user%host.DEC@decwrl.ARPA DEC ENET ==> Internet RHEA::DECWRL::"user@host.ARPA" Internet ==> JANET user%host.JANET@ucl-cs.ARPA JANET ==> Internet user%host.ARPA@ucl-cs Internet ==> MAILNET user%host.MAILNET@mit-multics.ARPA MAILNET ==> Internet user%host.ARPA@mit-multics Internet ==> UUCP user%host.UUCP@seismo.ARPA or user%host.UUCP@harvard.ARPA Note: The seismo and harvard hosts use the "pathalias" software to find the correct UUCP routing address. UUCP ==> Internet hosta!...!hostz!seismo!user@host.ARPA or hosta!...!hostz!harvard!user@host.ARPA Note: "hosta" is the sender's nearest neighbor. The sender must specify a UUCP routing path to "hostz", a host with a direct connection to some UUCP->Internet gateway, such as "seismo" or "harvard". Internet ==> XEROX user.registry@XEROX.ARPA Note: Do NOT use "%" between "user" and "registry". Some Xerox registries are "pa" and "wbst". XEROX ==> Internet user@host.ARPA PhoneNet ==> PhoneNet user@host Note: CSNET-RELAY rewrites the address and appends ".CSNET" to the host name. PhoneNet ==> Internet user@host Note: CSNET-RELAY rewrites the address and appends ".ARPA" to the host name. Internet ==> PhoneNet user%host@csnet-relay.ARPA PhoneNet ==> BITNET user%host.BITNET@csnet-relay Note: Some PhoneNet hosts have software that allows "user@host.BITNET". Ask your CSNET liaison. BITNET ==> PhoneNet BSMTP with "user%host@csnet-relay.ARPA" Note: See Info Message sites-8 for details of BSMTP. PhoneNet ==> DEC ENET user%host.DEC@decwrl DEC ENET ==> PhoneNet RHEA::DECWRL::"user%host@csnet-relay.ARPA" Phonenet ==> JANET user%host.JANET@ucl-cs JANET ==> Phonenet user%host%csnet-relay.ARPA@ucl-cs PhoneNet ==> MAILNET user%host.MAILNET@csnet-relay Note: Some PhoneNet hosts have software that allows "user@host.MAILNET". Ask your CSNET liaison. MAILNET ==> PhoneNet user%host%csnet-relay.ARPA@mit-multics PhoneNet ==> UUCP user%host.UUCP@seismo or user%host.UUCP@harvard Note: The seismo and harvard hosts use the "pathalias" software to find the correct UUCP routing address. UUCP ==> PhoneNet hosta!...!hostz!seismo!user%host@csnet-relay.ARPA or hosta!...!hostz!harvard!user%host@csnet-relay.ARPA Note: "hosta" is the sender's nearest neighbor. The sender must specify a UUCP routing path to "hostz", a host with a direct connection to some UUCP->Internet gateway, such as "seismo" or "harvard". PhoneNet ==> XEROX user.registry@XEROX Note: Do NOT use "%" between "user" and "registry". Some Xerox registries are "pa" and "wbst". XEROX ==> PhoneNet user%host@csnet-relay.ARPA [All messages from PhoneNet sites are relayed through CSNET-RELAY.ARPA. Thanks to Richard M. Alderson, III for corrections to MAILNET information in the original CSNET-FORUM article. --CDM] Arpanet ==> BITNET user%node.BITNET@gateway gateway = UCBVAX.ARPA or WISCVM.ARPA Arpanet ==> CSNet user%node.CSNET@csnet-relay.ARPA Arpanet ==> Usenet ...!user@gateway Usenet ==> Arpanet ...!gateway!user@arpanode gateway = seismo or ucbvax Usenet ==> BITNET ...!psuvax1!user%bitnode.BITNET ...!psuvax1!user@bitnode.BITNET ...!gateway!bitnode.BITNET!user gateway = psuvax1 or talcott BITNET ==> Usenet MAILER@PSUVAX1 using BSMTP Lots of ppl inquired about this one... To send from BITNET to Usenet, construct a file as follows... vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv Start of file HELO yournode.BITNET VERB ON TICK 0001 MAIL FROM: RCPT TO: DATA Date: Current date goes here From: youruid@yournode.BITNET To: user@node.UUCP Subject: gateway < Put the text of your message here. The blank line between the sebject and < the beginning of you text is necessary. End you text with a '.' on a line < by itself, and end the mailing with 'QUIT' on a line, as shown below. . QUIT ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ End of file Send the file to mailer @ psuvax1 as a punch file, class = M, i.e. mail class. example: on VMS running JNET: SEND/FILE/PUNCH/CLASS=M filename.ext MAILER@PSUVAX1 Thanx to everybody who sent info, especially to the person who sent me all the info on Internet and Phonenet. I lost your id. Can you also send me the GATEWAY BSMTP file? RIT students have restricted access to BITNET, and I can't get it myself.. ============================================================================== Steve Wall [Snoopy] @ Rochester Institute of Technology USnail: 6675 Crosby Rd, Lockport, NY 14094, USA Usenet: ...!ritcv!spw2562 Unix 4.2 BSD BITNET: SPW2562@RITVAXC VAX/VMS 4.2 Voice: Yell "Hey Steve!" Disclaimer: What I have just said may or may not have anything to do with what I was actually thinking... From: jsdy%hadron.UUCP@seismo.CSS.GOV (Joseph S. D. Yao) Newsgroups: net.followup Subject: Re: internet mailing summary Date: 27 Nov 85 06:08:54 GMT I am impressed. This is quite an effort; public thanks to steve wall aka snoopy. One caveat I think must be added (since I fell into it >1ce in younger days). In article <9072@ritcv.UUCP> spw2562@ritcv.UUCP (snoopy) writes: >UUCP ==> Internet hosta!...!hostz!seismo!user@host.ARPA or > hosta!...!hostz!harvard!user@host.ARPA > Note: "hosta" is the sender's nearest neighbor. > The sender must specify a UUCP routing path to > "hostz", a host with a direct connection to some > UUCP->Internet gateway, such as "seismo" or > "harvard". None of hostb ... hostz may be on the ARPAnet or some other net that will swallow @'d addresses. For instance, if I want to send ARPA mail from aplvax and forget that umcp-cs is also an ARPA host, I might construct: umcp-cs!seismo!eric@ucbvax.ARPA Well, when it gets to umcp-cs, the address is: seismo!eric@ucbvax.ARPA which gets shipped across the ARPAnet to ucbvax, which then looks for seismo!eric Well, this is a bad example since ucbvax just happens to call seismo right back, cross-country (3250 miles), and I think that there is an eric there -- but not the one i was sending mail to, on ucbvax! [Potential flamers -- I didn't say HOW ucbvax called seismo back.] The bottom line is, that you want the shortest UUCP route to an ARPA server. You may have gathered from above that it's possible to go through the ARPA net and then back onto UUCP, which is true, and left as an exercise for those who don't want to send a stamped self-addressed packet envelope. Incidentally, seismo.CSS.GOV (sometimes incorrectly identified as seismo.arpa) has been complaining that so much mail passes through their site every day, that if they charged a penny a kilobyte they could all retire as billionaires. One report says that factions are split between doing that and losing their mail-forwarding software. ;-) Seriously, if anyone can find a site other than seismo to forward through, I know some folk who'd appreciate it. -- Joe Yao hadron!jsdy@seismo.{CSS.GOV,ARPA,UUCP} .