This is the part II to Odie's Graf essay, it gives some more background on the cause. -Jugs

: proceeds to tag your ride. I sure as hell wouldn't be very happy about
: it. Would you? How about if you were just about to sell that car to
: get a better one, but the deal fell through because the car had been
: vandalized?

Again, you really have no conception of the difference between vandalism and graffiti. I have never in my life seen a TAG on a privately owned car. If someone were to write on your car, it would be for COMPLETELY different reasons than what I am trying to defend here. They would be doing it to be an ass and to piss you off. Personally, I don't give a shit if people who aren't interested in graffiti see my shit or not. I do it for myself and others that take an interest in it. People who VANDALIZE do it to be noticed by people who DON'T like it.. exact opposites. Don't confuse the two.

: This may come as a shock to you, but in fact ALL of the graffiti I see
: is on privately-owned, non-abandoned fences, buildings, and bridges.
: So while you personally don't "go running through the suburbs writing
: on people houses and their white picket fences", most of the taggers in
: my area do exactly that. Perhaps that will give you some idea as to
: where *I'm* coming from.

Well I don't know where you're from russ, but to me it sounds like the shit your looking at is gang graffiti and the like, which is completly different. Shit like that is used to mark territory, etc, and I wouldn't defend someone doing shit like that. If there is real graf in the area which you live, chances are you don't know where it is and its out of your sight, and it was done that way for a purpose. You see, graffiti isnt done to piss you off. And if it is, i'd call it vandalism not graffiti.

: Poor analogy, what two conselting adults do in
: private, (with a built-in cleanup mechanism I might add) is not the
: same as an act of vandalism, committed without consent of the propery
: owner, in public, and which requires a significant expenditure of time
: & money to clean up.

You can compare me to colin ferguson and you'r calling that a bad analogy? The point i'm trying to make is they are both illegal. You said I shouldn't do graf because it's illegal. I'll agree to stop doing graf if you agree to stop getting head. (I dont think either of us are going to go for that one).. Same shit.

: I'm open to any reasonable argument. I'm just skeptical that there is
: a reasonable argument for vandalism.

I never said there was.. I'm talking about Graf. Graf may be vandalism, but not all (in fact a very small percentage) of vandalism is Graf. Learn the differences.

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