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From: Joe <fbsd_user@a1poweruser.com>
To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org
Subject: 5.4 stable release is missing miniinst.iso file
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>Number:         80861
>Category:       misc
>Synopsis:       5.4 stable release is missing miniinst.iso file
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       serious
>Priority:       medium
>Responsible:    re
>State:          closed
>Quarter:        
>Keywords:       
>Date-Required:  
>Class:          maintainer-update
>Submitter-Id:   current-users
>Arrival-Date:   Tue May 10 15:30:02 GMT 2005
>Closed-Date:    Tue May 17 23:22:35 GMT 2005
>Last-Modified:  Wed May 18 02:30:02 GMT 2005
>Originator:     Joe
>Release:        5.4
>Organization:
Home
>Environment:
>Description:
    The ftp mirror sites are missing the miniinst.iso file for 5.4 stable.  
>How-To-Repeat:
     Check it out your self
>Fix:
      Release team needs to correct
>Release-Note:
>Audit-Trail:
Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-i386->freebsd-bugs 
Responsible-Changed-By: linimon 
Responsible-Changed-When: Mon May 16 21:21:09 GMT 2005 
Responsible-Changed-Why:  
This is not specific to i386 hardware, which is what that category is for. 

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=80861 
Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-bugs->re 
Responsible-Changed-By: kris 
Responsible-Changed-When: Tue May 17 22:32:41 GMT 2005 
Responsible-Changed-Why:  
Assign to re for evaluation 

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=80861 
State-Changed-From-To: open->closed 
State-Changed-By: scottl 
State-Changed-When: Tue May 17 23:09:17 GMT 2005 
State-Changed-Why:  
See section 2.6 of the release notes. 

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=80861 

From: "fbsd_user" <fbsd_user@a1poweruser.com>
To: <bug-followup@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:  
Subject: Re: misc/80861: 5.4 stable release is missing miniinst.iso file
Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:45:48 -0400

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 Section 2.6 of the release notes does not say anything about the
 miniinst.iso being discontinued.
 
 The purpose of the miniinst.iso was it's small file size for the users with
 only modem dial up connections. It's next to imposable to keep an 5 hour ftp
 connection to any of the ftp mirror sites because the ftp servers swaps the
 session out for slow activity. This action of not providing the miniinst.iso
 is saying the hell with the FreeBSD modem user community. This is very short
 sighted and arrogant move.
 
 This pr should be reopened and the miniinst.iso file created like before.
 How could a major facility like this be turned off without getting feedback
 from the questions list first?
 
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From: "fbsd_user" <fbsd_user@a1poweruser.com>
To: "Scott Long" <scottl@samsco.org>
Cc: <bug-followup@FreeBSD.org>
Subject: RE: misc/80861: 5.4 stable release is missing miniinst.iso file
Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 22:21:53 -0400

 Hay cool your jets. Read again what I said, the discontinuing of
 miniinst.iso is an arrogant move. I don't see any words calling you
 arrogant.
 
 What good is using the FTP install method?
 It has the same bandwidth problem for the modem user.
 You just don't disregard the needs of the modems users like this.
 
 You know many people considered this function important enough to
 add it in and I don't see anything that changes in 5.4 to justify
 discontinuing it.
 
 If there a justification for discontinuing it then this is now the
 time for you to state your case.
 
 
 -----Original Message-----
 From: Scott Long [mailto:scottl@samsco.org]
 Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 9:10 PM
 To: fbsd_user@a1poweruser.com
 Cc: re@FreeBSD.org
 Subject: Re: misc/80861: 5.4 stable release is missing miniinst.iso
 file
 
 
 fbsd_user wrote:
 > Section 2.6 of the release notes does not say
 > anything about the miniinst.iso being discontinued.
 >
 > The purpose of the miniinst.iso was it's small file size for the
 > users with only modem dial up connections. It's next to imposable
 to
 > keep an 5 hour ftp connection to any of the ftp mirror sites
 because
 > the ftp servers swaps the session out for slow activity.  This
 > action of not providing the miniinst.iso is saying the hell with
 the
 > FreeBSD modem user community. This is very short sighted and
 > arrogant move.
 >
 >
 
 If modem bandwidth is the problem, your best choice is still to use
 the
 FTP install method.  I purposely insisted on keeping it as a valid
 option for exactly those with limited bandwidth like yourself.
 Recall also that the ISO images have always been provided as a
 courtesy
 and that we highly encourage users to support CDROM vendors, since
 supporting them supports the project and the developers.
 
 I take personal offense to you calling me arrogant.  You, sir, have
 never met me or know anything about me, and I fail to see how you
 can
 be justified in throwing insulting terms around with reckless
 abandon.
 Every person on the release engineering team is an unpaid volunteer,
 and insults like yours are completely inappropriate and uncalled
 for.
 
 Scott
 
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