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From: Ryan <ryan@ryan.org>
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Subject: cvsup-bin not installed by default
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>Number:         7326
>Category:       misc
>Synopsis:       cvsup-bin not installed by default
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
>Responsible:    freebsd-bugs
>State:          closed
>Quarter:        
>Keywords:       
>Date-Required:  
>Class:          change-request
>Submitter-Id:   current-users
>Arrival-Date:   Mon Jul 20 08:20:00 PDT 1998
>Closed-Date:    Mon Jul 20 18:25:07 PDT 1998
>Last-Modified:  Mon Jul 20 18:36:50 PDT 1998
>Originator:     Ryan
>Release:        FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386
>Organization:
>Environment:

	All freebsd versions that I've used, which does not include 2.2.7
or current

>Description:

	cvsup, despite being incredibly useful, is not installed by
default. The cvsup package compressed is only a little over a meg. Also,
seperate lines in /etc/crontab that you uncomment to automatically
upgrade your kernel src, userland src, or the ports periodically would be
useful as well.

>How-To-Repeat:
	
	N/A

>Fix:
	
	N/A
>Release-Note:
>Audit-Trail:
State-Changed-From-To: open->closed 
State-Changed-By: jdp 
State-Changed-When: Mon Jul 20 18:25:07 PDT 1998 
State-Changed-Why:  
There are several reasons why CVSup is not installed by default.  Although 
it is useful to the small fraction of users who track -current or 
-stable, it has no value for the vast majority of the user base.  The 
people whom it can benefit are precisely those who know how (or need to 
know how) to install add-on software.  They don't need it to be installed 
by default.  No other packages are installed by default.  CVSup cannot 
be a part of the base system without also making Modula-3 a part of 
the base system.  And Modula-3 is huge.  There are many things of more 
general utility that would better be included than CVSup or Modula-3. 
(Perl5 comes to mind.) 

About the commented-out lines in /etc/crontab: Believe me, we do not want 
every CVSup user in each time zone to hit our servers at the same time 
each day.  That is what would happen if we had such a line in crontab. 

I would go into more detail, but this blasted edit-pr utility is too 
dumb to allow me to use an editor to enter this text. :-( 

Anyway, thanks for the suggestions, but I don't think they'll find much 
support. 
>Unformatted:
