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From: Hal Burch <Hal_Burch@gs10.sp.cs.cmu.edu>
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Subject: Installation Instruction fail to mention Knoppix as alternative
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>Number:         65477
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       release notes: installation instruction fail to mention Knoppix as alternative for partioning tools
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       medium
>Responsible:    bmah
>State:          closed
>Quarter:        
>Keywords:       
>Date-Required:  
>Class:          doc-bug
>Submitter-Id:   current-users
>Arrival-Date:   Mon Apr 12 20:00:00 PDT 2004
>Closed-Date:    Fri May 18 14:15:30 GMT 2007
>Last-Modified:  Fri May 18 14:20:02 GMT 2007
>Originator:     Hal Burch
>Release:        FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE i386
>Organization:
Carnegie Mellon University
>Environment:
FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE i386 (currently installing machine, so no uname)
>Description:
Section 1.6.1 of 5.2.1-RELEASE says:
    FIPS does NOT currently work with NTFS style partitions. To split 
    up such a partition, you will need a commercial product such as
    Partition Magic. Sorry, but this is just the breaks if you've got  
    a Windows partition hogging your whole disk and you don't want to
    reinstall from scratch.

QtParted will repartition NTFS-style partitions.  It is available using
Knoppix 3.3.  I've used it on two different systems without problems.
>How-To-Repeat:
N/A
>Fix:
Suggest rewording:
    FIPS does NOT currently work with NTFS style partitions. To
    split up such a partition, you will need either a commercial
    product such as Partition Magic or use QtParted.  QtParted is
    available in recent version of Knoppix, a version of Linux
    designed to run off CD.  QtParted also supports DOS partitions.
    You may need to run Disk Defragmenter under Microsoft
    Windows first, which is available under System Tools in the
    Accessories submenu of the Start Menu.  Knoppix is available
    at http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html

The Knoppix website is spartan and a bit confusing.  It may be
more useful to directly link to the list of mirrors:
    http://www.knopper.net/knoppix-mirrors/
>Release-Note:
>Audit-Trail:

From: Hal Burch <Hal_Burch@gs10.sp.cs.cmu.edu>
To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org
Cc: Szakacsits Szabolcs <szaka@sienet.hu>
Subject: Re: misc/65477: Installation Instruction fail to mention Knoppix as
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 09:12:02 -0400

 Szakacsits Szabolcs suggests referring to ntfsresize instead of QtParted
 under Knoppix, since ntfsresize runs under FreeBSD.  His suggestion
 seems good, although I have not tried using ntfsresize directly.
 
 My only complaints with pointing to ntfsresize under FreeBSD is that:
    1. It requires you to install FreeBSD first (not available on boot CD)
    2. I was unable to find ntfsprogs or ntfsresize in the ports collection
 Neither of these are catastrophes.
 
  - Hal
 
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 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:14:54 +0200 (MEST)
 From: Szakacsits Szabolcs <szaka@sienet.hu>
 X-Sender: szaka@mlf.linux.rulez.org
 To: Hal Burch <Hal_Burch@gs10.sp.cs.cmu.edu>
 Subject: Re: misc/65477: Installation Instruction fail to mention Knoppix as
  alternative
 
 
 Hello Hal,
 
 I've seen your bug report and suggestion but I don't have access to
 comment it so I'm sending it to you. Please forward it to where you think
 it's the most appropriate if it's worth.
 
 Comments:
 
 > FIPS does NOT currently work with NTFS style partitions
 
 FIPS handles only FAT type partitions, I doubt it will ever handle
 NTFS. NTFS is about 20 times more complex and totally different.
 
 > QtParted is available 
 
 QTParted uses ntfsresize. ntfsresize is part of the ntfsprogs package.
 The ntfsprogs package compiles and works on FreeBSD. So it is possible 
 to natively resize NTFS on FreeBSD for a while.
 
 > in recent version of Knoppix, a version of Linux designed to run off
 
 Knoppix has outdated softwares. A much better, frequently updated 
 alternative is SystemRescueCD at http://www.sysresccd.org
 
 It has all the needed, most up-to-date tools and much more (e.g. latest
 stable ntfsprogs, latest QTParted, etc).
 
 > CD.  QtParted also supports DOS partitions. You may need to run Disk
 > Defragmenter under Microsoft
 
 Ntfsresize since version 1.9.0 doesn't need defragmented NTFS. For example
 SystemRescueCD has this version, Knoppix doesn't. More info (I'm the
 author and maintainer of ntfsresize and the below page):
 
 	http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfsresize.html
 
 Cheers,
 	Szaka
 
 
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From: Szakacsits Szabolcs <szaka@sienet.hu>
To: hburch+@cs.cmu.edu
Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: misc/65477: Installation Instruction fail to mention Knoppix as
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:35:09 +0200 (MEST)

 On Tue, 13 Apr 2004, Hal Burch wrote:
 
 > Szakacsits Szabolcs suggests referring to ntfsresize instead of QtParted
 > under Knoppix, since ntfsresize runs under FreeBSD.  
 
 I'd suggest, 
 
   - guru level:  ntfsresize + fdisk
 
   - otherwise: QTParted on SystemRecueCD
 
 > His suggestion seems good, although I have not tried using ntfsresize
 > directly.
 
 I've "validated" it. I have an extensive test suite and it runs just as
 perfectly on FreeBSD as on Linux. Although I don't remember the exact
 FreeBSD version I used ...
  
 > My only complaints with pointing to ntfsresize under FreeBSD is that:
 >    1. It requires you to install FreeBSD first (not available on boot CD)
 
 Well,
 
      1. You can use one of the many FreeBSD Live CD's:
 
    	     http://forums.livecdnews.com/viewtopic.php?t=12
 
         they can either include it or you can download a precompiled 
         ntfsresize from somehere (or the source and compile yourself).
 
      2. Install can include it, just like many Linux distro do or as 
         FIPS included.
 
 Cheers,
 	Szaka
 
Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-bugs->freebsd-doc 
Responsible-Changed-By: arved 
Responsible-Changed-When: Sun Apr 25 03:38:40 PDT 2004 
Responsible-Changed-Why:  
Over to freebsd-doc, this is a release notes issue. 

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=65477 
Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->bmah 
Responsible-Changed-By: remko 
Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Feb 19 13:16:05 UTC 2007 
Responsible-Changed-Why:  
Hello Bruce, since you are doing a lot in release notes regions 
nowadays, can you have a look at the mentioned PR please? 

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=65477 
State-Changed-From-To: open->patched 
State-Changed-By: bmah 
State-Changed-When: Mon May 14 15:33:25 UTC 2007 
State-Changed-Why:  
Committed some text based on discussion in this PR in 
src/release/doc/en_US-ISO8859-1/installation/common.sgml 
rev. 1.36. 

As an editorial comment, the document in question needs 
replacement, not revision, although I've been working on 
a replacement off and on for several years without actually 
finishing it. 

Putting this PR to patched state (MFC to RELENG_6 and RELENG_5 
pending). 


http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=65477 

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Subject: Re: docs/65477: commit references a PR
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 15:33:13 +0000 (UTC)

 bmah        2007-05-14 15:33:05 UTC
 
   FreeBSD src repository
 
   Modified files:
     release/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/installation/common install.sgml 
   Log:
   Mention tools (specifically ntfsresize, QTPartd, and SystemRescueCD)
   that can be used for resizing NTFS partitions (to make room for
   FreeBSD).
   
   Based on some text that was...
   
   Submitted by:   Hal Burch, Szakacsits Szabolcs
   PR:             65477
   MFC after:      3 days
   
   Revision  Changes    Path
   1.36      +15 -16    src/release/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/installation/common/install.sgml
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Subject: Re: docs/65477: commit references a PR
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 17:14:45 +0000 (UTC)

 bmah        2007-05-14 17:14:36 UTC
 
   FreeBSD src repository
 
   Modified files:
     release/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/installation/common install.sgml 
   Log:
   GParted seems to have replaced QTParted on the System Rescue CD,
   so reflect this.  Somewhat related to...
   
   PR:             65477
   
   Revision  Changes    Path
   1.37      +1 -1      src/release/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/installation/common/install.sgml
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From: dfilter@FreeBSD.ORG (dfilter service)
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Cc:  
Subject: Re: docs/65477: commit references a PR
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 14:05:31 +0000 (UTC)

 bmah        2007-05-18 14:05:25 UTC
 
   FreeBSD src repository
 
   Modified files:        (Branch: RELENG_6)
     release/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/installation/common install.sgml 
   Log:
   MFC:  Mention tools (specifically ntfsresize, GParted, and SystemRescueCD)
   that can be used for resizing NTFS partitions (to make room for
   FreeBSD).
   
           install.sgml    1.35 -> 1.37
   
   PR:             65477
   
   Revision  Changes    Path
   1.32.2.3  +15 -16    src/release/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/installation/common/install.sgml
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State-Changed-From-To: patched->closed 
State-Changed-By: bmah 
State-Changed-When: Fri May 18 14:14:12 UTC 2007 
State-Changed-Why:  
New text MFCed to RELENG_6 and RELENG_5, closing PR. 

Thanks for the info...sorry it took so long to get around to this! 


http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=65477 

From: dfilter@FreeBSD.ORG (dfilter service)
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Cc:  
Subject: Re: docs/65477: commit references a PR
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 14:13:22 +0000 (UTC)

 bmah        2007-05-18 14:13:15 UTC
 
   FreeBSD src repository
 
   Modified files:        (Branch: RELENG_5)
     release/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/installation/common install.sgml 
   Log:
   MFC:  Mention tools (specifically ntfsresize, GParted, and SystemRescueCD)
   that can be used for resizing NTFS partitions (to make room for
   FreeBSD).
   
           install.sgml    1.35 -> 1.37
   
   PR:             65477
   
   Revision  Changes    Path
   1.27.2.5  +15 -16    src/release/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/installation/common/install.sgml
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