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From: Josef El-Rayes <j.el-rayes@daemon.li>
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Subject: [patch] adds fvwm2 to x11-wm
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>Number:         54806
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       [patch] adds fvwm2 to x11-wm
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          closed
>Quarter:        
>Keywords:       
>Date-Required:  
>Class:          update
>Submitter-Id:   current-users
>Arrival-Date:   Thu Jul 24 05:20:09 PDT 2003
>Closed-Date:    Thu Jan 15 13:24:52 PST 2004
>Last-Modified:  Thu Jan 15 13:24:52 PST 2004
>Originator:     Josef El-Rayes
>Release:        FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE i386
>Organization:
>Environment:
System: FreeBSD daemon.li 4.8-STABLE FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE #8: Tue Jul 22 18:16:23 CEST 2003 root@daemon.li:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/CUSTOM i386


	
>Description:
		This adds fvwm2 to x11-wm page. In my opinion this was
		definitely missing. When there is some content about gnome,
		kde and xfce, there should also be some content about the
		'mother of window managers & desktop environments'.
		If appreciated i could add some text about blackbox and its
		offsprings.
	
>How-To-Repeat:
	
>Fix:

	

--- chapter.sgml.diff begins here ---
--- chapter.sgml.orig	Thu Jul 24 12:57:49 2003
+++ chapter.sgml	Thu Jul 24 14:10:27 2003
@@ -1641,6 +1641,48 @@
           the section on <link linkend="x11-wm-kde-kdm">kdm</link>.</para>
       </sect3>
     </sect2>
+    <sect2 id="x11-wm-fvwm">
+	<title>FVWM</title>
+      <sect3 id="x11-wm-fvwm-about">
+	<title>About FVWM</title>
+	<para>FVWM is an extremely powerful ICCCM-compliant multiple virtual 
+	desktop window manager, designed to minimal memory consumption.
+	Functionality can be enhanced by the use of various modules.
+	Some of FVWM's features are:</para>
+	
+	<itemizedlist>
+	  <listitem>
+	    <para>GNOME Window Manager hints support</para>
+	  </listitem>
+	  <listitem>
+	    <para>Session management support</para>
+	  </listitem>
+	  <listitem>
+	    <para>Initial internationalization support</para>
+	  </listitem>
+	  <listitem>
+	    <para>Xinerama extension support</para>
+	  </listitem>
+	</itemizedlist>
+	
+	<para>More information on FVWM can be found on the <ulink 
+	  url="http://www.fvwm.org">FVWM Website</ulink>.</para>
+      </sect3>
+      <sect3 id="x11-wm-fvwm-install">
+	<title>Installing FVWM</title>
+	
+	<para>There is a binary package available for <application>FVWM</application>.
+	To install, simply type:</para>
+	<screen>&prompt.root; <userinput>pkg_add -r fvwm2</userinput></screen>
+	
+	<para>Alternatively, to build from source, use the ports collection:</para>
+	<screen>&prompt.root; <userinput>cd /usr/ports/x11-wm/fvwm2</userinput></screen>
+	<screen>&prompt.root; <userinput>make install clean</userinput></screen>
+
+	<note><para>There are also packages for the <application>fvwm-1.X</application> 
+	and <application>fvwm-2.5.X</application> branches available</para></note>
+      </sect3>
+    </sect2>	
   </sect1>
 
 </chapter>
--- chapter.sgml.diff ends here ---


>Release-Note:
>Audit-Trail:

From: underway@comcast.net (Gary W. Swearingen)
To: Josef El-Rayes <j.el-rayes@daemon.li>
Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org
Subject: Re: docs/54806: [patch] adds fvwm2 to x11-wm
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 10:09:40 -0700

 Josef El-Rayes <j.el-rayes@daemon.li> writes:
 
 > --- chapter.sgml.diff begins here ---
 
 I didn't see where the PR mentioned what chapter this is.
 
 > +	<para>FVWM is an extremely powerful ICCCM-compliant multiple virtual 
 > +	desktop window manager, designed to minimal memory consumption.
 
 Did you mean to say ", designed to minimize memory consumption."?
 
 But giving window manager designers the benefit of my doubt, I suppose
 they can all honestly say they designed that way, so it might be
 better to have some weasel words like " which uses less memory than
 many other popular window managers."
 
 Thanks for thinking of good old "fvwm".
 
 (I tried using some others but am using it again because it's both
 simple enough and powerful enough to easily do what I want it to do.)

From: Marc Fonvieille <blackend@FreeBSD.org>
To: Josef El-Rayes <j.el-rayes@daemon.li>
Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org
Subject: Re: docs/54806: [patch] adds fvwm2 to x11-wm
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 20:32:19 +0200

 On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 02:14:15PM +0200, Josef El-Rayes wrote:
 > >Description:
 > 		This adds fvwm2 to x11-wm page. In my opinion this was
 > 		definitely missing. When there is some content about gnome,
 > 		kde and xfce, there should also be some content about the
 > 		'mother of window managers & desktop environments'.
 > 		If appreciated i could add some text about blackbox and its
 > 		offsprings.
 >
 
 This section focus mainly on "desktops environments", but why not
 talking about some window managers.  So why FVWM 2 and not TWM,
 AfterStep, Window Maker, IceWM, fluxbox etc. ?  FVWM is a great window
 manager but I don't think the audience of that section will like FVWM.
 Why not adding a link to the http://www.plig.org/xwinman/ page (this
 page is guide to all window managers.) and then pointing the reader to
 our ports/x11-wm directory?
 Tell me what you think about that.
 
 Marc

From: Josef El-Rayes <j.el-rayes@daemon.li>
To: Marc Fonvieille <blackend@FreeBSD.org>
Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org
Subject: Re: docs/54806: [patch] adds fvwm2 to x11-wm
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 21:45:05 +0200

 Marc Fonvieille <blackend@FreeBSD.org> wrote:
 > This section focus mainly on "desktops environments", but why not
 > talking about some window managers.  So why FVWM 2 and not TWM,
 > AfterStep, Window Maker, IceWM, fluxbox etc. ?  
 When i looked at this section i had the feeling that there was not
 enough. It perfectly talks about Gnome and KDE, the big two players, 
 but i think it is important, to at least mention the alternatives. 
 The reason why i decided to talk about fvwm2 is that it comes very 
 near to a desktop environment. 
 It has a panel, it manages sessions and multiple desktops. 
 And i thought adding fvwm is like saying "hey unix world is
 more than gnome & kde". 
 ok there is XFce but it is more a gnome without
 gnome-libs - like galeon is mozilla without xul (roughly defined).
 
 the next reason was, that greg lehey also mentioned fvwm2 as a kde
 alternative in his book, so i thought, ok this is what gurus think :)
 
 > Why not adding a link to the http://www.plig.org/xwinman/ page (this
 > page is guide to all window managers.) and then pointing the reader to
 > our ports/x11-wm directory?
 
 my patch is intended to be a "food for thought" - i am not happy with
 the current version of this chapter. i think my patch is one way to
 handle this, -> to add the most popular window managers, fvwm2, blackbox
 (with a mentioning of its offsprings), enlightenment and so on. what
 about linking some screenshots (this is what quite some people requested
 at our freebsd booth at linuxtag - "how does it actually look like").
 
 another way good way is your [marc's] proposal to shorten this up and
 link to a patch that covers this topic and just linking it with a short
 description.
 i think i do not have enough experience on writing for the handbook to
 know what fits better into the handbook's style.
 
 in my opinion best solution is a compromise between this to solutions.
 to give a short overview of the windowmanagers available in ports, with
 their most important characteristics and linking some screenshots and
 giving the link to the above mentioned url for further reference.
 
 so to give a short answer, i added fvwm as a start to see, whether it is
 appreciated to add other windowmanagers to this section or not.
 
 greets, josef
 -- 
 www: http://www.daemon.li
 nic-hdl: JER1080312-NICAT
 FreeBSD PortMaintainer 
 "Make World - Not War!"

From: Josef El-Rayes <j.el-rayes@daemon.li>
To: "Gary W. Swearingen" <underway@comcast.net>
Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org
Subject: Re: docs/54806: [patch] adds fvwm2 to x11-wm
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 21:52:47 +0200

 "Gary W. Swearingen" <underway@comcast.net> wrote:
 >  I didn't see where the PR mentioned what chapter this is.
 i have to admit i was a bit sloppy here. for me x11-wm (the name of the
 file that generates) was enough. next time i will give more verbose
 information on this.
 
 >  > +	<para>FVWM is an extremely powerful ICCCM-compliant multiple virtual 
 >  > +	desktop window manager, designed to minimal memory consumption.
 >  Did you mean to say ", designed to minimize memory consumption."?
 i was not aware of the subtle difference between these two expressions
 :) i am more of a technican than a linguist. i will be more careful in
 the future.
 
 >  Thanks for thinking of good old "fvwm".
 for me it is (as i expressed it in my patch) the 'mother of wm', so it
 deserves an entry in the handbook, when we talk about desktops.
 
 greets and thanks for the feedback, 
 josef
 -- 
 www: http://www.daemon.li
 nic-hdl: JER1080312-NICAT
 FreeBSD PortMaintainer 
 "Make World - Not War!"
State-Changed-From-To: open->closed 
State-Changed-By: josef 
State-Changed-When: Thu Jan 15 13:24:17 PST 2004 
State-Changed-Why:  
The submitter(me) said, this one can be closed 

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=54806 
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