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From: Pat Lashley <patl+freebsd@phoenix.volant.org>
To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org
Subject: Mailwrapper(8) or mailer.conf(5) should mention periodic knob for 'submit' queue
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>Number:         38924
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       Mailwrapper(8) or mailer.conf(5) should mention periodic knob for 'submit' queue
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
>Responsible:    gshapiro
>State:          closed
>Quarter:        
>Keywords:       
>Date-Required:  
>Class:          doc-bug
>Submitter-Id:   current-users
>Arrival-Date:   Wed Jun 05 11:50:00 PDT 2002
>Closed-Date:    Sat Feb 08 13:42:29 PST 2003
>Last-Modified:  Sat Feb 08 13:42:29 PST 2003
>Originator:     Pat Lashley
>Release:        4.6-RC
>Organization:
>Environment:
>Description:
      Sendmail has a separate 'submit' queue; and the daily periodic
scripts contain code to check both queues.  The code to check the submit
queue can be bypassed by a configuration option in periodic.conf.  But
none of this is obvious to someone who is installing an alternate MTA;
and leads to complaints about the unrecognized '-Ac' command-line param.

Adding a mention of the periodic option to the mailer.conf(5) and/or
mailwrapper(8) man pages would make that knob much easier to find.

(Note that I am also submitting a separate request to update the
POST-INSTALL-NOTES in the exim port.)
>How-To-Repeat:
      Install an alternate MTA that doesn't recognize '-Ac' (e.g., exim)
and run /etc/periodic/daily/440.status-mailq
>Fix:
      
>Release-Note:
>Audit-Trail:

From: Ceri Davies <setantae@submonkey.net>
To: Pat Lashley <patl+freebsd@phoenix.volant.org>
Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org
Subject: Re: docs/38924: Mailwrapper(8) or mailer.conf(5) should mention periodic knob for 'submit' queue
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 15:06:44 +0100

 >       Sendmail has a separate 'submit' queue; and the daily periodic
 > scripts contain code to check both queues.  The code to check the submit
 > queue can be bypassed by a configuration option in periodic.conf.  But
 > none of this is obvious to someone who is installing an alternate MTA;
 > and leads to complaints about the unrecognized '-Ac' command-line param.
 
 The daily output is produced via the periodic scripts, so the best place for
 this, in my opinion, would clearly be periodic.conf(5) where it's already
 documented.
 
 It really doesn't have anything to do with mailwrapper.
 
 Would you agree ?
 
 Ceri
 
 -- 
 you can't see when light's so strong
 you can't see when light is gone

From: Pat Lashley <patl+freebsd@volant.org>
To: Ceri Davies <setantae@submonkey.net>
Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org
Subject: Re: docs/38924: Mailwrapper(8) or mailer.conf(5) should mention
 periodic knob for 'submit' queue
Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 11:59:07 -0700

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 --On Sunday, June 09, 2002 03:06:44 PM +0100 Ceri Davies=20
 <setantae@submonkey.net> wrote:
 
 >>       Sendmail has a separate 'submit' queue; and the daily periodic
 >> scripts contain code to check both queues.  The code to check the submit
 >> queue can be bypassed by a configuration option in periodic.conf.  But
 >> none of this is obvious to someone who is installing an alternate MTA;
 >> and leads to complaints about the unrecognized '-Ac' command-line param.
 >
 > The daily output is produced via the periodic scripts, so the best place
 > for this, in my opinion, would clearly be periodic.conf(5) where it's
 > already documented.
 >
 > It really doesn't have anything to do with mailwrapper.
 >
 > Would you agree ?
 
 If I agreed I wouldn't have submitted the bug/rfe.  You are correct in
 that it doesn't -directly- have anything to do with the mailwrapper; but
 the impression given from the mailwrapper and mailer.conf scripts is that
 once you have installed and configured your non-sendmail MTA, all you
 need to do is to edit mailer.conf and restart your daemons to make the
 switchover.  Most sysadmins will only discover the sendmail-specific
 periodic action when they get the error message in their nightly log
 message; and it takes a little digging to translate that message into
 the appropriate periodic knob.  Particularly for sysadmins who abandoned
 sendmail years ago or who have never gained sendmail expertise in the
 first place.
 
 I think that it would make the sysadmin's life easier if the mail.conf
 and/or mailwrapper man pages included a mention, either of the specific
 knob, or of the simple existance of sendmail-specific periodic actions
 and a pointer to the periodic.conf man page.  Putting it in the BUGS or
 NOTES section would be fine.
 
 
 I should also like to point out that the daily_status_include_submit_mailq
 entry in the periodic.conf man page fails to mention that it is sendmail-
 specific and should probably be turned off if using an alternate MTA.  But
 that should probably be a new bug report.
 
 
 
 -Pat
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Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->gshapiro 
Responsible-Changed-By: gshapiro 
Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Jun 17 14:11:24 PDT 2002 
Responsible-Changed-Why:  
Over to sendmail maintainer (who introduced the new periodic stuff for 
the submit mail queue and probably should handle this). 

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=38924 
State-Changed-From-To: open->closed 
State-Changed-By: gshapiro 
State-Changed-When: Sat Feb 8 13:42:11 PST 2003 
State-Changed-Why:  
I've added verbage to both periodic.conf(5) and mailwrapper(8). 

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=38924 
>Unformatted:
