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Subject: Add a new rule to the Committer Guide
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>Number:         25783
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       Add a new rule to the Committer Guide
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          closed
>Quarter:        
>Keywords:       
>Date-Required:  
>Class:          change-request
>Submitter-Id:   current-users
>Arrival-Date:   Tue Mar 13 16:30:01 PST 2001
>Closed-Date:    Wed Mar 28 02:55:50 PST 2001
>Last-Modified:  Wed Mar 28 02:56:01 PST 2001
>Originator:     Dan Langille
>Release:        FreeBSD 4.3-BETA i386
>Organization:
The FreeBSD Diary / FreshPorts
>Environment:
System: FreeBSD xeon.int.nz.freebsd.org 4.3-BETA FreeBSD 4.3-BETA #1: Tue Mar 13 13:03:33 NZDT 2001 root@xeon.int.nz.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/XEON i386


>Description:
	The Committer Guide refers to respecting other committers.  It should
	also including respecting other contributors.
>How-To-Repeat:
	see http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/committers-guide/x800.html
>Fix:

	patch included.

--- article.sgml.original	Wed Mar 14 13:05:31 2001
+++ article.sgml	Wed Mar 14 13:09:47 2001
@@ -1213,6 +1213,10 @@
       </listitem>
 
       <listitem>
+        <para>Respect other contributors.</para>
+      </listitem>
+
+      <listitem>
 	<para>Discuss any significant change
 	  <emphasis>before</emphasis> committing.</para>
       </listitem>
@@ -1353,6 +1357,25 @@
 	    project's leadership enjoys in the slightest, but unity
 	    comes first.  No amount of code or good advice is worth
 	    trading that away.</para>
+	</listitem>
+
+	<listitem>
+	  <para>Respect other contributors.</para>
+
+	  <para>You weren't always a committer. At one time you were 
+	    a contributor. Remember that at all times. Remember what 
+	    it was like trying to get help and attention.  Don't forget
+	    that your work as a contributor time was very important to 
+	    you.  Remember what it was like. Don't discourage, belittle, 
+	    or demean contributors.  Treat them with respect.  They are 
+	    our committers in waiting.  They are every bit as important 
+	    to the project as committers. Their contributions are as 
+	    valid and as important as your own.  After all, you made 
+	    many contributions before you became a committer.  Always 
+	    remember that.  </para>
+
+	  <para>Consider the points raised under 'Respect other committers' 
+	    and apply them also to contributors.</para>
 	</listitem>
 
 	<listitem>
>Release-Note:
>Audit-Trail:

From: John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org>
To: dan@freebsddiary.rg
Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org
Subject: RE: docs/25783: Add a new rule to the Committer Guide
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:55:08 -0800 (PST)

 On 14-Mar-01 dan@freebsddiary.rg wrote:
 > 
 >>Number:         25783
 >>Category:       docs
 >>Synopsis:       Add a new rule to the Committer Guide
 >>Confidential:   no
 >>Severity:       non-critical
 >>Priority:       low
 >>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
 >>State:          open
 >>Quarter:        
 >>Keywords:       
 >>Date-Required:
 >>Class:          change-request
 >>Submitter-Id:   current-users
 >>Arrival-Date:   Tue Mar 13 16:30:01 PST 2001
 >>Closed-Date:
 >>Last-Modified:
 >>Originator:     Dan Langille
 >>Release:        FreeBSD 4.3-BETA i386
 >>Organization:
 > The FreeBSD Diary / FreshPorts
 >>Environment:
 > System: FreeBSD xeon.int.nz.freebsd.org 4.3-BETA FreeBSD 4.3-BETA #1: Tue Mar
 > 13 13:03:33 NZDT 2001 root@xeon.int.nz.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/XEON
 > i386
 > 
 > 
 >>Description:
 >       The Committer Guide refers to respecting other committers.  It should
 >       also including respecting other contributors.
 >>How-To-Repeat:
 >       see http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/committers-guide/x800.html
 >>Fix:
 > 
 >       patch included.
 
 Hmm, the only thing I see with this (the patch looks ok) is that the rules in
 the CG were actually a list of rules that were drafted by -core and voted on by
 the committers about a year or so ago.  I'm not sure one can just add new rules
 out of the blue, but then again there is no provision for what to do with
 proposed changes to the rules.  Nik?
 
 FWIW, the point you raise is important, and I would hope that it wouldn't even
 need to be explicit.  Then again, the same is true of respecting other
 committers.
 
 -- 
 
 John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org> -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/
 PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc
 "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!"  -  http://www.FreeBSD.org/

From: "Dan Langille" <dan@langille.org>
To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org
Cc: dan@freebsddiary.org
Subject: Re: docs/25783: Add a new rule to the Committer Guide
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:15:50 +1200

 Does support exist for this or not?  Should it be closed or committed?  
 So far I've had feedback from only three committers, and that was 
 positive.
 
 -- 
 Dan Langille
 pgpkey - finger dan@unixathome.org | http://unixathome.org/finger.php
 got any work?  I'm looking for some.

From: obrien@FreeBSD.org
To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, dan@freebsddiary.org
Cc:  
Subject: Re: docs/25783: Add a new rule to the Committer Guid
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:06:14 -0800 (PST)

 > Hmm, the only thing I see with this (the patch looks ok) is that the
 > rules in the CG were actually a list of rules that were drafted by
 > -core and voted on by the committers about a year or so ago.
 
 Correct.  Rules cannot be just added by anyone at a whim.  The rules
 when thru a long debative process and then were formally ratified.
 On this point, I object to this being committed.
 
 Also, The Rules were purposely kept to a minimal set.  This patch goes
 against that desire; and so I object to the patch on this point also.

From: "Dan Langille" <dan@langille.org>
To: obrien@FreeBSD.org
Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org
Subject: Re: docs/25783: Add a new rule to the Committer Guid
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:17:20 +1200

 On 20 Mar 2001, at 21:06, obrien@FreeBSD.org wrote:
 
 > > Hmm, the only thing I see with this (the patch looks ok) is that the
 > > rules in the CG were actually a list of rules that were drafted by
 > > -core and voted on by the committers about a year or so ago.
 > 
 > Correct.  Rules cannot be just added by anyone at a whim.  The rules
 > when thru a long debative process and then were formally ratified.
 > On this point, I object to this being committed.
 
 This isn't a whim.  It's been long thought upon.  I have no problem with a 
 long debative process followed by a formal ratification if that's what you 
 want
 
 > Also, The Rules were purposely kept to a minimal set.  This patch goes
 > against that desire; and so I object to the patch on this point also.
 
 Do you actually agree with the concepts behind the rule?  Debating it on 
 procedure is one thing.  But I feel you're avoiding the bigger issue.
 
 -- 
 Dan Langille
 pgpkey - finger dan@unixathome.org | http://unixathome.org/finger.php
 got any work?  I'm looking for some.
State-Changed-From-To: open->closed 
State-Changed-By: phk 
State-Changed-When: Wed Mar 28 02:55:50 PST 2001 
State-Changed-Why:  
Committed, thanks! 

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=25783 
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