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>Number:         14733
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       update IRC channel information
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          closed
>Quarter:        
>Keywords:       
>Date-Required:  
>Class:          change-request
>Submitter-Id:   current-users
>Arrival-Date:   Fri Nov  5 18:50:01 PST 1999
>Closed-Date:    Fri Nov 12 16:25:08 PST 1999
>Last-Modified:  Fri Nov 12 16:25:28 PST 1999
>Originator:     Dan Langille
>Release:        
>Organization:
The FreeBSD Diary
>Environment:
>Description:
The information provided for some IRC channels is either inaccurate or out of date.
>How-To-Repeat:

>Fix:
--- book.sgml.orig      Sat Nov  6 15:27:56 1999
+++ book.sgml   Sat Nov  6 15:33:44 1999
@@ -452,10 +452,8 @@
 <listitem>
 <para>Channel <emphasis remap=tt>#FreeBSD</emphasis> on UNDERNET is
 available at <filename>us.undernet.org</filename> in the US and 
-<filename>eu.undernet.org</filename> in Europe.  Same provisions as
-for EFNET apply - either don't ask questions or learn to
-ask amazingly politely if you want help.  It's a chat channel,
-not a help channel.
+<filename>eu.undernet.org</filename> in Europe.  A help and support
+channel.  Be prepared to read the documents they refer you to.
 </para>
 </listitem>
 
@@ -465,7 +463,8 @@
 This network attempts to do more tech support and not be
 as anarchistic as EFNET, UNDERNET or DALNET, but it's also
 nowhere near as popular as a result.  Why not volunteer to
-answer FreeBSD questions on BSDNET today?</para>
+answer FreeBSD questions on BSDNET today?  But the last time I checked
+there were only two people on this network and nobody in #FreeBSD.</para>
 </listitem>
 
 </itemizedlist>

>Release-Note:
>Audit-Trail:

From: Alexey Zelkin <phantom@cris.net>
To: dan@freebsddiary.org
Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: Re: docs/14733: update IRC channel information
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 18:50:20 +0300

 hi,
 
 On Fri, Nov 05, 1999 at 06:45:30PM -0800, dan@freebsddiary.org wrote:
  
 > >Number:         14733
 > >Category:       docs
 > >Synopsis:       update IRC channel information
 
 > >Fix:
 > --- book.sgml.orig      Sat Nov  6 15:27:56 1999
 > +++ book.sgml   Sat Nov  6 15:33:44 1999
 > @@ -452,10 +452,8 @@
 >  <listitem>
 >  <para>Channel <emphasis remap=tt>#FreeBSD</emphasis> on UNDERNET is
 >  available at <filename>us.undernet.org</filename> in the US and 
 > -<filename>eu.undernet.org</filename> in Europe.  Same provisions as
 > -for EFNET apply - either don't ask questions or learn to
 > -ask amazingly politely if you want help.  It's a chat channel,
 > -not a help channel.
 > +<filename>eu.undernet.org</filename> in Europe.  A help and support
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
 Looks that <ulink URL="XX">XX</ulink> is more appropriate here than
 "<filename>XX</filename>
 
 > +channel.  Be prepared to read the documents they refer you to.
 >  </para>
 >  </listitem>
 >  
 > @@ -465,7 +463,8 @@
 >  This network attempts to do more tech support and not be
 >  as anarchistic as EFNET, UNDERNET or DALNET, but it's also
 >  nowhere near as popular as a result.  Why not volunteer to
 > -answer FreeBSD questions on BSDNET today?</para>
 > +answer FreeBSD questions on BSDNET today?  But the last time I checked
 > +there were only two people on this network and nobody in #FreeBSD.</para>
 >  </listitem>
 
 IMHO second hunk is completely useless.
 
 -- 
 /* Alexey Zelkin                       && phantom@cris.net    */
 /* Tavric National University          && phantom@crimea.edu  */
 /* http://www.ccssu.crimea.ua/~phantom && phantom@FreeBSD.org */
 

From: "Dan Langille" <dan@langille.org>
To: Alexey Zelkin <phantom@cris.net>
Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: Re: docs/14733: update IRC channel information
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 10:30:53 +1300

 On 6 Nov 99, at 18:50, Alexey Zelkin wrote:
 
 > hi,
 > 
 > On Fri, Nov 05, 1999 at 06:45:30PM -0800, dan@freebsddiary.org wrote:
 >  
 > > >Number:         14733
 > > >Category:       docs
 > > >Synopsis:       update IRC channel information
 > 
 > > >Fix:
 > > --- book.sgml.orig      Sat Nov  6 15:27:56 1999
 > > +++ book.sgml   Sat Nov  6 15:33:44 1999
 > > @@ -452,10 +452,8 @@
 > >  <listitem>
 > >  <para>Channel <emphasis remap=tt>#FreeBSD</emphasis> on UNDERNET is
 > >  available at <filename>us.undernet.org</filename> in the US and 
 > > -<filename>eu.undernet.org</filename> in Europe.  Same provisions as
 > > -for EFNET apply - either don't ask questions or learn to
 > > -ask amazingly politely if you want help.  It's a chat channel,
 > > -not a help channel.
 > > +<filename>eu.undernet.org</filename> in Europe.  A help and support
 >     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 > 
 > Looks that <ulink URL="XX">XX</ulink> is more appropriate here than
 > "<filename>XX</filename>
 
 Fair enough.  I don't know SGML, I was just modifying the original.  
 Cheers.
 
 > 
 > > +channel.  Be prepared to read the documents they refer you to.
 > >  </para>
 > >  </listitem>
 > >  
 > > @@ -465,7 +463,8 @@
 > >  This network attempts to do more tech support and not be
 > >  as anarchistic as EFNET, UNDERNET or DALNET, but it's also
 > >  nowhere near as popular as a result.  Why not volunteer to
 > > -answer FreeBSD questions on BSDNET today?</para>
 > > +answer FreeBSD questions on BSDNET today?  But the last time I checked
 > > +there were only two people on this network and nobody in #FreeBSD.</para>
 > >  </listitem>
 > 
 > IMHO second hunk is completely useless.
 
 If there's nobody on irc.freebsd.org why mention it?  Should be dropped 
 altogether?
 
 
 --
 Dan Langille
 http://www.langille.org
 

From: John Baldwin <jobaldwi@vt.edu>
To: Alexey Zelkin <phantom@cris.net>
Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: Re: docs/14733: update IRC channel information
Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 21:09:53 -0500 (EST)

 On 06-Nov-99 Alexey Zelkin wrote:
 >  > --- book.sgml.orig      Sat Nov  6 15:27:56 1999
 >  > +++ book.sgml   Sat Nov  6 15:33:44 1999
 >  > @@ -452,10 +452,8 @@
 >  >  <listitem>
 >  >  <para>Channel <emphasis remap=tt>#FreeBSD</emphasis> on UNDERNET
 > is
 >  >  available at <filename>us.undernet.org</filename> in the US and 
 >  > -<filename>eu.undernet.org</filename> in Europe.  Same provisions
 > as
 >  > -for EFNET apply - either don't ask questions or learn to
 >  > -ask amazingly politely if you want help.  It's a chat channel,
 >  > -not a help channel.
 >  > +<filename>eu.undernet.org</filename> in Europe.  A help and
 > support
 >      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 >  
 >  Looks that <ulink URL="XX">XX</ulink> is more appropriate here than
 >  "<filename>XX</filename>
 
 <hostid>XX</hostid> is what you want.
 
 >  > @@ -465,7 +463,8 @@
 >  >  This network attempts to do more tech support and not be
 >  >  as anarchistic as EFNET, UNDERNET or DALNET, but it's also
 >  >  nowhere near as popular as a result.  Why not volunteer to
 >  > -answer FreeBSD questions on BSDNET today?</para>
 >  > +answer FreeBSD questions on BSDNET today?  But the last time I
 > checked
 >  > +there were only two people on this network and nobody in
 >#FreeBSD.</para>
 >  >  </listitem>
 >  
 >  IMHO second hunk is completely useless.
 
 Since it is practically dead, I would just remove the entry.  No one is
 going to get any help out of that channel.
 
 ---
 
 John Baldwin <jobaldwi@vt.edu> -- http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/
 PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc
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State-Changed-From-To: open->closed 
State-Changed-By: jim 
State-Changed-When: Fri Nov 12 16:25:08 PST 1999 
State-Changed-Why:  
Update committed, thanks! 
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