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>Synopsis:       [handbook] [patch] proposed: mention "make delete-old" in sec 24.7 Rebuilding World
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>Description:
In section 24.7 "rebuilding world" of the handbook no mention is made of
these useful, or even essential, /usr/src/Makefile targets:

# delete-old          - Delete obsolete directories/files/libraries.
# delete-old-dirs     - Delete obsolete directories.
# delete-old-files    - Delete obsolete files.
# delete-old-libs     - Delete obsolete libraries.

This seems to be an important omission, as not running "make delete-old" or
"make delete-old-libs" can result in warnings like these:

/usr/bin/ld: warning: libz.so.4, needed by /usr/local/lib/libtiff.so, may confli
ct with libz.so.5
/usr/bin/ld: warning: librpcsvc.so.4, needed by /usr/local/lib/libXext.so, may c
onflict with librpcsvc.so.5

or build failures in ports, or various other inconsistencies.

I volunteer to write a paragraph or two about this somewhere in section 24.7.
Any comments?

	
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From: Benedict Reuschling <bcr@FreeBSD.org>
To: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org, mexas@bristol.ac.uk
Cc:  
Subject: Re: docs/137762: [handbook] proposed: mention "make delete-old" in
 sec 24.7 Rebuilding World
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 01:18:06 +0200

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 I think this was recently discussed in [1] and from my point of view is
 necessary.
 
 If you would like to submit a draft version of your proposed changes,
 then feel free to do so. Someone from doc can then look over it and
 commit it to the handbook.
 
 Thanks!
 
 [1] http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/mid.cgi?20100714083124.GE1742
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From: Anton Shterenlikht <mexas@bristol.ac.uk>
To: Benedict Reuschling <bcr@FreeBSD.org>
Cc: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org, mexas@bristol.ac.uk
Subject: Re: docs/137762: [handbook] proposed: mention "make delete-old" in
 sec 24.7 Rebuilding World
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 21:11:24 +0100

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 See patch attached. I added points 9 and 10 in section 24.7.1
 and the new section 24.7.13.
 
 Here's the new look:
 
 http://eis.bris.ac.uk/~mexas/makeworld.html
 
 Perhaps it's too long?
 
 -- 
 Anton Shterenlikht
 Room 2.6, Queen's Building
 Mech Eng Dept
 Bristol University
 University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK
 Tel: +44 (0)117 331 5944
 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423
 
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 Content-Type: text/x-diff; charset=us-ascii
 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="chapter.sgml.diff"
 
 --- /doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cutting-edge/chapter.sgml	2010-07-07 16:23:31.000000000 +0100
 +++ chapter.sgml	2010-07-28 21:05:43.000000000 +0100
 @@ -1977,6 +1977,35 @@
  	  <para>A full machine reboot is needed now to load the new kernel
  	    and new world with new configuration files.</para>
  	</listitem>
 +
 +	<listitem>
 +	  <para><command>make check-old</command></para>
 +
 +	  <para>When new files, directories or libraries (or new versions
 +	of existing files) are installed, the old versions might become
 +	obsolete. This command will show all obsolete files.
 +	    </para>
 +	</listitem>
 +
 +	<listitem>
 +	  <para><command>make delete-old</command></para>
 +
 +	  <para>Deleting obsolete files is recommended.
 +	In some cases deleting obsolete files is required
 +	to avoid various compilation problems. More on that below.
 +	    </para>
 +    <warning>
 +      <title>Warning</title>
 +
 +      <para>Before deleting old versions of shared libraries, you need
 +	to make sure that no ports depend on those. Any port that
 +	does depend on old versions of shared libraries will have to be
 +	rebuilt prior to your deleting old versions. Otherwise,
 +	you might find that some ports don't work anymore.
 +	</para>
 +    </warning>
 +	</listitem>
 +
        </orderedlist>
  
        <para>Note that if you're upgrading from one release of the same &os;
 @@ -2729,13 +2758,94 @@
      <sect2 id="updating-upgrading-rebooting">
        <title>Rebooting</title>
  
 -      <para>You are now done.  After you have verified that everything appears
 +      <para>You are now nearly done.  After you have verified that everything appears
  	to be in the right place you can reboot the system.  A simple
  	&man.shutdown.8; should do it:</para>
  
        <screen>&prompt.root; <userinput>shutdown -r now</userinput></screen>
      </sect2>
  
 +    <sect2 id="delete-old">
 +      <title>Deleting obsolete files, directories, libraries</title>
 +
 +      <para>Now you need to make sure there are no obsolete
 +	files which might cause various compilation problems with
 +	the base operating system, the kernel and ports.
 +	</para>
 +
 +	<para>Do</para>
 +      <screen>&prompt.root; <userinput>cd /usr/src</userinput></screen>
 +
 +	<para>and start with</para>
 +      <screen>&prompt.root; <userinput>make check-old</userinput></screen>
 +	
 +	<para>This will check for old files, directories and shared
 +	libraries. If any obsolete files are found, you can
 +	then do</para>
 +      <screen>&prompt.root; <userinput>make delete-old</userinput></screen>
 +
 +	<tip>
 +                <para>Have a look at <filename>/usr/src/Makefile</filename>
 +		for more targets of interest, e.g.</para>
 +			<screen>
 +# check-old           - List obsolete directories/files/libraries.
 +# check-old-dirs      - List obsolete directories.
 +# check-old-files     - List obsolete files.
 +# check-old-libs      - List obsolete libraries.
 +# delete-old          - Delete obsolete directories/files/libraries.
 +# delete-old-dirs     - Delete obsolete directories.
 +# delete-old-files    - Delete obsolete files.
 +# delete-old-libs     - Delete obsolete libraries.
 +			</screen>
 +		<para>More detailed comments are provided for each target in
 +			the makefile itself.</para>
 +	</tip>
 +
 +	<para>You will be prompted before deleting each file or
 +	directory. Be particularly careful when offered to
 +	delete a shared library. If there are ports which
 +	depend on it, these ports will not run if you choose
 +	to delete it.
 +	</para>
 +
 +	<para> You might want to use
 +  <ulink url="http://www.freshports.org/sysutils/libchk/">libchk</ulink> 
 +	port to find out which ports, if any, depend on an old
 +	version of shared library. You are advised to rebuild
 +	all such ports, to use the new version of shared
 +	libraries. Then, if you are satisfied that there are
 +	no more ports which depend on the old version  
 +	of shared library, you can delete it.
 +	</para>
 +
 +	<para>If you don't delete obsolete shared libraries, you might
 +	end up getting messages like this:
 +	</para>
 +	<screen>
 +/usr/bin/ld: warning: libz.so.4, needed by /usr/local/lib/libtiff.so, may conflict with libz.so.5
 +/usr/bin/ld: warning: librpcsvc.so.4, needed by /usr/local/lib/libXext.so, may conflict with librpcsvc.so.5
 +	</screen>
 +
 +	<para>In both examples linker is complaining about ports
 +	compiled with old versions of shared libraries, while the
 +	new versions are available. Conflicts are possible if
 +	these ports depend on other ports which are built with
 +	the new version of the same shared library.</para>
 +
 +	<para>Fortunately the solution is very simple. First
 +	find which port installed the file in question:</para>
 +
 +	<screen>
 +&prompt.root; <userinput>pkg_info -W  /usr/local/lib/libtiff.so</userinput>
 +/usr/local/lib/libtiff.so was installed by package tiff-3.9.4
 +&prompt.root; <userinput>pkg_info -W /usr/local/lib/libXext.so</userinput>
 +/usr/local/lib/libXext.so was installed by package libXext-1.1.1,1
 +	</screen>
 +
 +	<para>Then just rebuild the ports in question.</para>
 +
 +    </sect2>
 +
      <sect2>
        <title>Finished</title>
  
 
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From: Anton Shterenlikht <mexas@bristol.ac.uk>
To: Warren Block <wblock@wonkity.com>, bug-followup@freebsd.org
Cc:  
Subject: Re: docs/137762: [handbook] proposed: mention "make delete-old" in
 sec 24.7 Rebuilding World
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 16:50:32 +0100

 Warren, sorry for the delay, and many thanks for your comments.
 
 Here's a new separate section, very short:
 
 http://seis.bris.ac.uk/~mexas/make-delete-old.html
 
 Here's the patch:
 
 
 *** /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cutting-edge/chapter.sgml	2010-08-29 14:42:49.000000000 +0100
 --- ./chapter.sgml	2010-09-13 16:39:41.000000000 +0100
 ***************
 *** 3029,3034 ****
 --- 3029,3084 ----
       </sect2>
     </sect1>
   
 +   <sect1 id="make-delete-old">
 +     <sect1info>
 +       <authorgroup>
 + 	<author>
 + 	  <firstname>Anton</firstname>
 + 	  <surname>Shterenlikht</surname>
 + 	  <contrib>Based on notes provided by </contrib>
 + 	</author>
 +       </authorgroup>
 +     </sect1info>
 +     <title>Deleting obsolete files, directories and libraries</title>
 +     <indexterm><primary>Deleting obsolete files, directories and libraries</primary></indexterm>
 +       <para>Remove obsolete files to prevent problems.</para>
 +       <para>Check for obsolete files:</para>
 +         <screen>&prompt.root; <userinput>cd /usr/src</userinput>
 + &prompt.root; <userinput>make check-old</userinput>
 + &prompt.root; <userinput>make check-old-libs</userinput></screen>
 +        <para>If any obsolete files are found, they can be deleted with</para>
 +        <screen>&prompt.root; <userinput>make delete-old</userinput>
 + &prompt.root; <userinput>make delete-old-libs</userinput></screen>
 +        <tip>
 +          <para>See <filename>/usr/src/Makefile</filename>
 +            for more targets of interest.</para>
 +        </tip>
 +         <para>A prompt is displayed before deleting each obsolete file.
 +           Be particularly cautious about deleting shared libraries,
 +           which some applications may still depend on.</para>
 +        <warning>
 +          <title>Warning</title>
 +            <para>Deleting obsolete files will break applications that still
 +              depend on those obsolete files.</para>
 +        </warning>
 +         <para>Utilities checking shared library dependencies are available
 +           in <filename role="package">sysutils/libchk</filename>
 +           or <filename role="package">sysutils/bsdadminscripts</filename>.</para>
 +         <para>Obsolete shared libraries can conflict with newer libraries,
 +           causing messages like these:</para>
 +         <screen>/usr/bin/ld: warning: libz.so.4, needed by /usr/local/lib/libtiff.so, may conflict with libz.so.5
 + /usr/bin/ld: warning: librpcsvc.so.4, needed by /usr/local/lib/libXext.so, may conflict with librpcsvc.so.5</screen>
 +         <para>To solve these problems, determine which port installed the library:</para>
 +         <screen>&prompt.root; <userinput>pkg_info -W  /usr/local/lib/libtiff.so</userinput>
 + /usr/local/lib/libtiff.so was installed by package tiff-3.9.4
 + &prompt.root; <userinput>pkg_info -W /usr/local/lib/libXext.so</userinput>
 + /usr/local/lib/libXext.so was installed by package libXext-1.1.1,1
 +         </screen>
 +         <para>Then deinstall, rebuild and reinstall the port. The
 +           <filename role="package">ports-mgmt/portmaster</filename>
 +           utility can be used to automate this process.</para>
 + </sect1>
 + 
     <sect1 id="small-lan">
       <sect1info>
         <authorgroup>
 
 -- 
 Anton Shterenlikht
 Room 2.6, Queen's Building
 Mech Eng Dept
 Bristol University
 University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK
 Tel: +44 (0)117 331 5944
 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423

From: Anton Shterenlikht <mexas@bristol.ac.uk>
To: Warren Block <wblock@wonkity.com>, bug-followup@freebsd.org
Cc:  
Subject: Re: docs/137762: [handbook] proposed: mention "make delete-old" in
 sec 24.7 Rebuilding World
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 10:14:33 +0100

 ok, how about this:
 
 http://seis.bris.ac.uk/~mexas/make-delete-old.html
 
 patch:
 
 
 *** /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cutting-edge/chapter.sgml	2010-08-29 14:42:49.000000000 +0100
 --- ./chapter.sgml	2010-09-14 10:05:58.000000000 +0100
 ***************
 *** 3029,3034 ****
 --- 3029,3081 ----
       </sect2>
     </sect1>
   
 +   <sect1 id="make-delete-old">
 +     <sect1info>
 +       <authorgroup>
 + 	<author>
 + 	  <firstname>Anton</firstname>
 + 	  <surname>Shterenlikht</surname>
 + 	  <contrib>Based on notes provided by </contrib>
 + 	</author>
 +       </authorgroup>
 +     </sect1info>
 +     <title>Deleting obsolete files, directories and libraries</title>
 +     <indexterm><primary>Deleting obsolete files, directories and libraries</primary></indexterm>
 +     <para>Remove obsolete files to prevent problems.</para>
 +     <para>Check for obsolete files:</para>
 +     <screen>&prompt.root; <userinput>cd /usr/src</userinput>
 + &prompt.root; <userinput>make check-old</userinput>
 + &prompt.root; <userinput>make check-old-libs</userinput></screen>
 +     <para>If any obsolete files are found, they can be deleted with</para>
 +     <screen>&prompt.root; <userinput>make delete-old</userinput>
 + &prompt.root; <userinput>make delete-old-libs</userinput></screen>
 +     <tip>
 +       <para>See <filename>/usr/src/Makefile</filename>
 +         for more targets of interest.</para>
 +     </tip>
 +     <para>A prompt is displayed before deleting each obsolete file.</para>
 +     <warning>
 +       <title>Warning</title>
 +         <para>Deleting obsolete files will break applications that still
 +           depend on those obsolete files.</para>
 +     </warning>
 +     <para>Utilities for checking shared library dependencies are available
 +       in <filename role="package">sysutils/libchk</filename>
 +       or <filename role="package">sysutils/bsdadminscripts</filename>.</para>
 +     <para>Obsolete shared libraries can conflict with newer libraries,
 +       causing messages like these:</para>
 +     <screen>/usr/bin/ld: warning: libz.so.4, needed by /usr/local/lib/libtiff.so, may conflict with libz.so.5
 + /usr/bin/ld: warning: librpcsvc.so.4, needed by /usr/local/lib/libXext.so, may conflict with librpcsvc.so.5</screen>
 +     <para>To solve these problems, determine which port installed the library:</para>
 +     <screen>&prompt.root; <userinput>pkg_info -W  /usr/local/lib/libtiff.so</userinput>
 + /usr/local/lib/libtiff.so was installed by package tiff-3.9.4
 + &prompt.root; <userinput>pkg_info -W /usr/local/lib/libXext.so</userinput>
 + /usr/local/lib/libXext.so was installed by package libXext-1.1.1,1</screen>
 +     <para>Then deinstall, rebuild and reinstall the port. The
 +       <filename role="package">ports-mgmt/portmaster</filename>
 +       utility can be used to automate this process.</para>
 + </sect1>
 + 
     <sect1 id="small-lan">
       <sect1info>
         <authorgroup>
 
 -- 
 Anton Shterenlikht
 Room 2.6, Queen's Building
 Mech Eng Dept
 Bristol University
 University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK
 Tel: +44 (0)117 331 5944
 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423

From: Anton Shterenlikht <mexas@bristol.ac.uk>
To: Warren Block <wblock@wonkity.com>, bug-followup@freebsd.org
Cc:  
Subject: Re: docs/137762: [handbook] proposed: mention "make delete-old" in
 sec 24.7 Rebuilding World
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 13:32:07 +0100

 > Looks good!  The only thing I see is the indentation on the final
 > </sect1> needs to match the opening <sect1>.  Thanks for your patience!
 >
 
 fixed:
 
 
 *** /doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cutting-edge/chapter.sgml	2010-08-29 14:42:49.000000000 +0100
 --- ./chapter.sgml	2010-09-14 13:26:06.000000000 +0100
 ***************
 *** 3029,3034 ****
 --- 3029,3081 ----
       </sect2>
     </sect1>
   
 +   <sect1 id="make-delete-old">
 +     <sect1info>
 +       <authorgroup>
 + 	<author>
 + 	  <firstname>Anton</firstname>
 + 	  <surname>Shterenlikht</surname>
 + 	  <contrib>Based on notes provided by </contrib>
 + 	</author>
 +       </authorgroup>
 +     </sect1info>
 +     <title>Deleting obsolete files, directories and libraries</title>
 +     <indexterm><primary>Deleting obsolete files, directories and libraries</primary></indexterm>
 +     <para>Remove obsolete files to prevent problems.</para>
 +     <para>Check for obsolete files:</para>
 +     <screen>&prompt.root; <userinput>cd /usr/src</userinput>
 + &prompt.root; <userinput>make check-old</userinput>
 + &prompt.root; <userinput>make check-old-libs</userinput></screen>
 +     <para>If any obsolete files are found, they can be deleted with</para>
 +     <screen>&prompt.root; <userinput>make delete-old</userinput>
 + &prompt.root; <userinput>make delete-old-libs</userinput></screen>
 +     <tip>
 +       <para>See <filename>/usr/src/Makefile</filename>
 +         for more targets of interest.</para>
 +     </tip>
 +     <para>A prompt is displayed before deleting each obsolete file.</para>
 +     <warning>
 +       <title>Warning</title>
 +         <para>Deleting obsolete files will break applications that still
 +           depend on those obsolete files.</para>
 +     </warning>
 +     <para>Utilities for checking shared library dependencies are available
 +       in <filename role="package">sysutils/libchk</filename>
 +       or <filename role="package">sysutils/bsdadminscripts</filename>.</para>
 +     <para>Obsolete shared libraries can conflict with newer libraries,
 +       causing messages like these:</para>
 +     <screen>/usr/bin/ld: warning: libz.so.4, needed by /usr/local/lib/libtiff.so, may conflict with libz.so.5
 + /usr/bin/ld: warning: librpcsvc.so.4, needed by /usr/local/lib/libXext.so, may conflict with librpcsvc.so.5</screen>
 +     <para>To solve these problems, determine which port installed the library:</para>
 +     <screen>&prompt.root; <userinput>pkg_info -W  /usr/local/lib/libtiff.so</userinput>
 + /usr/local/lib/libtiff.so was installed by package tiff-3.9.4
 + &prompt.root; <userinput>pkg_info -W /usr/local/lib/libXext.so</userinput>
 + /usr/local/lib/libXext.so was installed by package libXext-1.1.1,1</screen>
 +     <para>Then deinstall, rebuild and reinstall the port. The
 +       <filename role="package">ports-mgmt/portmaster</filename>
 +       utility can be used to automate this process.</para>
 +   </sect1>
 + 
     <sect1 id="small-lan">
       <sect1info>
         <authorgroup>
 
 
 -- 
 Anton Shterenlikht
 Room 2.6, Queen's Building
 Mech Eng Dept
 Bristol University
 University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK
 Tel: +44 (0)117 331 5944
 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423
State-Changed-From-To: open->analyzed 
State-Changed-By: arundel 
State-Changed-When: Wed Sep 15 10:28:33 UTC 2010 
State-Changed-Why:  
A patch has been submitted to take care of this issue. 

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=137762 

From: "Benedict Reuschling" <bcr@FreeBSD.org>
To: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org, mexas@bristol.ac.uk
Cc:  
Subject: Re: docs/137762: [handbook] [patch] proposed: mention "make 
     delete-old" in sec 24.7 Rebuilding World
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 21:41:13 +0200 (CEST)

 I seem to have lost some of the discussions in between.
 
 Is the last patch you followed up with the complete patch or only a
 correction to the larger patch above?
 Can you post the last version (whole patch) again?
 
 Thanks!
 
 Benedict Reuschling
 bcr@FreeBSD.org
 The FreeBSD Documentation Project
 
Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->bcr 
Responsible-Changed-By: bcr 
Responsible-Changed-When: Fri Nov 5 15:09:03 UTC 2010 
Responsible-Changed-Why:  
Let me finish up the work on this PR. :) 

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=137762 

From: dfilter@FreeBSD.ORG (dfilter service)
To: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org
Cc:  
Subject: Re: docs/137762: commit references a PR
Date: Sat,  4 Dec 2010 17:56:19 +0000 (UTC)

 bcr         2010-12-04 17:56:15 UTC
 
   FreeBSD doc repository
 
   Modified files:
     en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cutting-edge chapter.sgml 
   Log:
   Add a section about deleting old files, directories and libraries with a
   short description why this is necessary.
   
   PR:                 docs/137762
   Submitted by:       Anton Shterenlikht (mexas at bristol dot ac dot uk)
   With feedback from: gabor@, ed@ (BATCH_DELETE_OLD_FILES, a while ago)
   
   Revision  Changes    Path
   1.251     +87 -0     doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cutting-edge/chapter.sgml
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State-Changed-From-To: analyzed->closed 
State-Changed-By: bcr 
State-Changed-When: Sat Dec 4 18:02:23 UTC 2010 
State-Changed-Why:  
A modified version of your last patch was committed. Thanks for your 
patience and the original submission of the patch. PR closed!  

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=137762 
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