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From: Warren Block <wblock@wonkity.com>
To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org
Subject: [patch] Mailing list users aren't warned about public exposure of information
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>Number:         115774
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       [patch] Mailing list users aren't warned about public exposure of information
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
>Responsible:    murray
>State:          closed
>Quarter:        
>Keywords:       
>Date-Required:  
>Class:          doc-bug
>Submitter-Id:   current-users
>Arrival-Date:   Fri Aug 24 02:30:01 GMT 2007
>Closed-Date:    Mon Dec 15 00:12:15 UTC 2008
>Last-Modified:  Mon Dec 15 00:20:02 UTC 2008
>Originator:     Warren Block
>Release:        6.2-STABLE
>Organization:
>Environment:
FreeBSD speedy.wonkity.com 6.2-STABLE FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE #0: Fri Jul 13 11:53:42 MDT 2007     root@speedy.wonkity.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SPEEDY  i386

>Description:
Users who submit messages to mailing lists aren't warned about the public exposure of their email address or other information.
>How-To-Repeat:
Submit a message to a FreeBSD mailing list.
>Fix:
Apply this patch to usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources/chapter.sgml.

Patch attached with submission follows:

--- chapter.sgml.orig	Thu Aug 23 19:56:29 2007
+++ chapter.sgml	Thu Aug 23 20:28:12 2007
@@ -40,6 +40,14 @@
       mailing lists ultimately fail as an effective communications medium for
       the project.</para>
 
+    <caution>
+      <para>Email addresses and other information you submit to &os; lists
+        will be visible to many people through multiple methods (the list,
+        the web, newsgroups, and others). When protecting privacy is a
+        concern, consider using a disposable secondary email address and
+        posting only public information.</para>
+    </caution>
+
     <note>
       <para><emphasis>If you wish to test your ability to send to
 	&os; lists, send a test message to &a.test.name;.</emphasis>


>Release-Note:
>Audit-Trail:

From: "Remko Lodder" <remko@elvandar.org>
To: "Warren Block" <wblock@wonkity.com>
Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: docs/115774: [patch] Mailing list users aren't warned about 
     public exposure of information
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:21:11 +0200 (CEST)

 >
 >>Description:
 > Users who submit messages to mailing lists aren't warned about the public
 > exposure of their email address or other information.
 >>How-To-Repeat:
 > Submit a message to a FreeBSD mailing list.
 >>Fix:
 > Apply this patch to
 > usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources/chapter.sgml.
 >
 > Patch attached with submission follows:
 >
 > --- chapter.sgml.orig	Thu Aug 23 19:56:29 2007
 > +++ chapter.sgml	Thu Aug 23 20:28:12 2007
 > @@ -40,6 +40,14 @@
 >        mailing lists ultimately fail as an effective communications medium
 > for
 >        the project.</para>
 >
 > +    <caution>
 > +      <para>Email addresses and other information you submit to &os;
 > lists
 > +        will be visible to many people through multiple methods (the
 > list,
 > +        the web, newsgroups, and others). When protecting privacy is a
 > +        concern, consider using a disposable secondary email address and
 > +        posting only public information.</para>
 > +    </caution>
 > +
 >      <note>
 >        <para><emphasis>If you wish to test your ability to send to
 >  	&os; lists, send a test message to &a.test.name;.</emphasis>
 >
 >
 
 Hello,
 
 I am not sure whether we 'must' explicitly mention this. As on any
 mailinglist , that has publically available archives. I dont see
 any other big list mentioning this. I dont feel confident with this
 idea.
 
 -- 
 Kind regards,
 
      Remko Lodder               ** remko@elvandar.org
      FreeBSD                    ** remko@FreeBSD.org
 
      /* Quis custodiet ipsos custodes */
 

From: Warren Block <wblock@wonkity.com>
To: Remko Lodder <remko@elvandar.org>
Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: docs/115774: [patch] Mailing list users aren't warned about   
   public exposure of information
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:20:47 -0600 (MDT)

 On Fri, 24 Aug 2007, Remko Lodder wrote:
 
 >>> Description:
 >> Users who submit messages to mailing lists aren't warned about the public
 >> exposure of their email address or other information.
 >>> How-To-Repeat:
 >> Submit a message to a FreeBSD mailing list.
 >>> Fix:
 >> Apply this patch to
 >> usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources/chapter.sgml.
 >>
 >> Patch attached with submission follows:
 >>
 >> --- chapter.sgml.orig	Thu Aug 23 19:56:29 2007
 >> +++ chapter.sgml	Thu Aug 23 20:28:12 2007
 >> @@ -40,6 +40,14 @@
 >>        mailing lists ultimately fail as an effective communications medium
 >> for
 >>        the project.</para>
 >>
 >> +    <caution>
 >> +      <para>Email addresses and other information you submit to &os; lists
 >> +        will be visible to many people through multiple methods (the list,
 >> +        the web, newsgroups, and others). When protecting privacy is a
 >> +        concern, consider using a disposable secondary email address and
 >> +        posting only public information.</para>
 >> +    </caution>
 >> +
 >>      <note>
 >>        <para><emphasis>If you wish to test your ability to send to
 >>  	&os; lists, send a test message to &a.test.name;.</emphasis>
 >
 > I am not sure whether we 'must' explicitly mention this. As on any
 > mailinglist , that has publically available archives. I dont see
 > any other big list mentioning this. I dont feel confident with this
 > idea.
 
 The issue comes up on the mailing lists from time to time.  Currently, 
 people are told after posting that their formerly-private email address 
 has now been posted around the world, and it's too late to do anything 
 about that.
 
 Isn't it better to explain that beforehand?
 
 Maybe a <note> instead of <caution>?
 
 -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA
State-Changed-From-To: open->closed 
State-Changed-By: trhodes 
State-Changed-When: Sat Jan 26 10:07:44 UTC 2008 
State-Changed-Why:  
If an individual submits to a mailing list they should assume the email to be 
public.  We also have mentions of email archives on the site which hints to 
the fact they are archived.  Close this PR as I agree with Remko, thanks for 
the submission. 


Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->trhodes 
Responsible-Changed-By: trhodes 
Responsible-Changed-When: Sat Jan 26 10:07:44 UTC 2008 
Responsible-Changed-Why:  
Over to me as closer. 

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=115774 
State-Changed-From-To: closed->analyzed 
State-Changed-By: trhodes 
State-Changed-When: Sun Jan 27 00:45:01 UTC 2008 
State-Changed-Why:  
Closed->analyzed.  trhodes->murray.  Murray agrees with the submitter, re-open 
this PR and pass it off.  Thanks! 


Responsible-Changed-From-To: trhodes->murray 
Responsible-Changed-By: trhodes 
Responsible-Changed-When: Sun Jan 27 00:45:01 UTC 2008 
Responsible-Changed-Why:  
Closed->analyzed.  trhodes->murray.  Murray agrees with the submitter, re-open 
this PR and pass it off.  Thanks! 

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=115774 
State-Changed-From-To: analyzed->closed 
State-Changed-By: murray 
State-Changed-When: Mon Dec 15 00:11:05 UTC 2008 
State-Changed-Why:  
I've reorganized this appendix a bit in a recent commit, and I added 
your sentence about protecting privacy by using a secondary address 
and posting only public information.  The website will be live with 
this new change within ~6 hours.  Thanks for your submission! 


http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=115774 

From: dfilter@FreeBSD.ORG (dfilter service)
To: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org
Cc:  
Subject: Re: docs/115774: commit references a PR
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:10:25 +0000 (UTC)

 murray      2008-12-15 00:10:17 UTC
 
   FreeBSD doc repository
 
   Modified files:
     en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources chapter.sgml 
   Log:
   Reword the introduction to de-emphasize the primacy of USENET as a
   FreeBSD community communication channel, and add a reference to web
   forums.
   
   Reword the paragraph about choosing the appropriate mailing list to
   again de-emphasize USENET and encourage the user to choose the most
   appropriate technical mailing list according to the charters.
   
   Note that freebsd mailing list archives are kept in perpetuity, and
   users with privacy conerns should consider using a disposable
   secondary email address and only posting public information. [1]
   
   Re-organize the "Web Resources" section into a new first section about
   "Forums, Blogs, and Social Networks" with references to the FreeBSD
   Forums, Planet FreeBSD, and the BSDConferences YouTube channel.
   
   Move the long list of web mirrors to a second section appropriately
   titled as such.  The former section just listed many dozen mirrors of
   www.freebsd.org under "web resources" which was less useful.
   
   PR:             docs/115774 (requested [1] only)
   Suggested by:   Warren Block <wblock@wonkity.com> ([1] only)
   
   Revision  Changes    Path
   1.196     +43 -12    doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources/chapter.sgml
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